Natalee Case Discussion #787 12/24/08 - 12/31/08

[texasmom]

Just because someone posts it here do not assume everyone agrees, we are simply taking in all sides so we can determine for ourselves what we want to believe.

Finngirl makes some valid points.  I have trusted Capslock and would still like to believe he is a good guy in all of this.  That said I don't agree with everything Caps says either.

If Kermit is wrong, please feel free to post why with an attempt to back it up with proof. 

With that, I'm calling it a night.

GOODNIGHT ALL!

I'm right there with you concerning Caps, Klaas.  Maybe I'm one of the "conned" that's been referred to, but I'm still hoping that's not true. 


Goodnight Klaas!  Thanks again for all you do!   

[Magnolia]

To clarify

1.  Hotshot's real life name has been out there since almost the beginning of the case, mostly because she chose to do interviews and "put herself" out there.  Hotshots real life name is common knowledge to everyone that has followed this case.

2.  Kermit's name is not common knowledge, in fact, until Hotshot posted it I didn't know what it was.  That is why it's not ok to post Kermit's real life name.

3.  I have no idea where Kermit lives and do not correspond with Kermit outside this forum with the exception of one or two recent emails pertaining to the Kyle issue.  Never before. 

4.  I don't appreciate people spreading false rumors about me or others at SM. 

5.  SM is a discussion forum.  We are not beholden to anyone and take orders from no one.  The idea is to discuss different pieces of evidence and do our best to facilitate justice in missing persons cases.

6.  I don't agree with everything posted at SM and I don't expect people to always agree with me.  Just because it's posted does not mean everyone at SM feels the same. 


I could go on and on but why bother.  Nobody listens anyway, their egos get in the way.

I'm listening.

Hugs

Janet

I listen to your every word, Klaas.
BTW that is not Kermit's real name.  That is Kermit's cover.

[finngirl]

'k, well, hasta luego 

[finngirl]

BTW that is not Kermit's real name.  That is Kermit's cover.

so I googled for nothing? bah! 

[billb's daughter]

Simple makes the most sense. KISS 

The coverup snowballed to where everyone in the snowball chain compromised themselves and the Aruban Dutch feel entitled (how dare anyone/thing question me/us) and now it IS THEM against the truth seekers and truth seekers be damned. The judiciary has always been corrupt. it goes with the territory on aruba. It is so obvious that those in power on aruba control everything and can (and probably will) get away with the murder of Natalee. let the citizens of aruba take the brunt of the fallout (greatly diminished tourism-which the island depends on) while those in control continue their money laundering(banks - casinos)/free zone/pornography ways...That's the FOLLOW the MONEY reasoning that will deny Justice for Natalee.....
 
AND that is why it is of utmost importance to EXPOSE what transpired during the Persistence search and hopefully force aruba to return Natalee to her family...

JMHO   

Yes!!

billb ... the domino effect in regards to accountability for what happened on the morning of May 30, 2005 as well as the persuing coverup dictates that justice will never be forthcoming for Natalee Holloway from an Aruban or Dutch courtroom.

Pressure has to be brought upon Aruba by the FBI if the family is to be afforded a measure of closure.  The truth regarding the contents of the cage/trap needs to be exposed.

Janet

++++++++

'Scarborough Country' for July 14
updated 8:45 a.m. PT, Fri., July. 15, 2005

JUG TWITTY, NATALEE HOLLOWAY'S STEPFATHER: Beth and I have been through this emotional roller coaster. And all we want is Natalee, whether she's alive or dead. We want to bring her back to the United States, and we'll leave and they can do whatever they want to do.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/8551824/

Janet....I used to think that Justice for Natalee would come forth in the disclosure of her demise and the prosecution of the perps.....I was naive because I had never been exposed to the cowardice and arrogance of those in charge that perpetrated what we see today. 3yrs 7 months later...Just let Natalee's family bring her home....The hell with them that would deny that...they will (don't care what their personal beliefs are)  answer to a higher authority, in this life or the next..... 

[Keepthefaith]

Just because someone posts it here do not assume everyone agrees, we are simply taking in all sides so we can determine for ourselves what we want to believe.

Finngirl makes some valid points.  I have trusted Capslock and would still like to believe he is a good guy in all of this.  That said I don't agree with everything Caps says either.

If Kermit is wrong, please feel free to post why with an attempt to back it up with proof. 

With that, I'm calling it a night.

GOODNIGHT ALL!

I'm right there with you concerning Caps, Klaas.  Maybe I'm one of the "conned" that's been referred to, but I'm still hoping that's not true. 


Goodnight Klaas!  Thanks again for all you do!   

Hotshot said that Caps won't post here anymore!Wonder why? 

[texasmom]

Just because someone posts it here do not assume everyone agrees, we are simply taking in all sides so we can determine for ourselves what we want to believe.

Finngirl makes some valid points.  I have trusted Capslock and would still like to believe he is a good guy in all of this.  That said I don't agree with everything Caps says either.

If Kermit is wrong, please feel free to post why with an attempt to back it up with proof. 

With that, I'm calling it a night.

GOODNIGHT ALL!

I'm right there with you concerning Caps, Klaas.  Maybe I'm one of the "conned" that's been referred to, but I'm still hoping that's not true. 


Goodnight Klaas!  Thanks again for all you do!   

Hotshot said that Caps won't post here anymore!Wonder why? 

My opinion, long story short; he's been lied to about a LOT of things and pulled into the chatngrumble group.  JMO 

[billb's daughter]

To clarify

1.  Hotshot's real life name has been out there since almost the beginning of the case, mostly because she chose to do interviews and "put herself" out there.  Hotshots real life name is common knowledge to everyone that has followed this case.

2.  Kermit's name is not common knowledge, in fact, until Hotshot posted it I didn't know what it was.  That is why it's not ok to post Kermit's real life name.

3.  I have no idea where Kermit lives and do not correspond with Kermit outside this forum with the exception of one or two recent emails pertaining to the Kyle issue.  Never before. 

4.  I don't appreciate people spreading false rumors about me or others at SM. 

5.  SM is a discussion forum.  We are not beholden to anyone and take orders from no one.  The idea is to discuss different pieces of evidence and do our best to facilitate justice in missing persons cases.

6.  I don't agree with everything posted at SM and I don't expect people to always agree with me.  Just because it's posted does not mean everyone at SM feels the same. 


I could go on and on but why bother.  Nobody listens anyway, their egos get in the way.

I'm listening.

Hugs

Janet

I listen to your every word, Klaas.
BTW that is not Kermit's real name.  That is Kermit's cover.

Sweet...Another reason I stand with the frog!

[Keepthefaith]

Just because someone posts it here do not assume everyone agrees, we are simply taking in all sides so we can determine for ourselves what we want to believe.

Finngirl makes some valid points.  I have trusted Capslock and would still like to believe he is a good guy in all of this.  That said I don't agree with everything Caps says either.

If Kermit is wrong, please feel free to post why with an attempt to back it up with proof. 

With that, I'm calling it a night.

GOODNIGHT ALL!

I'm right there with you concerning Caps, Klaas.  Maybe I'm one of the "conned" that's been referred to, but I'm still hoping that's not true. 


Goodnight Klaas!  Thanks again for all you do!   

Hotshot said that Caps won't post here anymore!Wonder why? 

My opinion, long story short; he's been lied to about a LOT of things and pulled into the chatngrumble group.  JMO 

It's unfortunate to say the least!I hope Caps doesn't listen to what he's told by other's who may have ulterior motives...

[texasmom]

Just because someone posts it here do not assume everyone agrees, we are simply taking in all sides so we can determine for ourselves what we want to believe.

Finngirl makes some valid points.  I have trusted Capslock and would still like to believe he is a good guy in all of this.  That said I don't agree with everything Caps says either.

If Kermit is wrong, please feel free to post why with an attempt to back it up with proof. 

With that, I'm calling it a night.

GOODNIGHT ALL!

I'm right there with you concerning Caps, Klaas.  Maybe I'm one of the "conned" that's been referred to, but I'm still hoping that's not true. 


Goodnight Klaas!  Thanks again for all you do!   

Hotshot said that Caps won't post here anymore!Wonder why? 

My opinion, long story short; he's been lied to about a LOT of things and pulled into the chatngrumble group.  JMO 

It's unfortunate to say the least!I hope Caps doesn't listen to what he's told by other's who may have ulterior motives...

I honestly don't know what he really believes.  I can only say that the only communication I've had with him recently is to answer questions that stem from lies he has been told about me.  I have been honest with him, that's all I can do.   

[Magnolia]

Just because someone posts it here do not assume everyone agrees, we are simply taking in all sides so we can determine for ourselves what we want to believe.

Finngirl makes some valid points.  I have trusted Capslock and would still like to believe he is a good guy in all of this.  That said I don't agree with everything Caps says either.

If Kermit is wrong, please feel free to post why with an attempt to back it up with proof. 

With that, I'm calling it a night.

GOODNIGHT ALL!

I'm right there with you concerning Caps, Klaas.  Maybe I'm one of the "conned" that's been referred to, but I'm still hoping that's not true. 


Goodnight Klaas!  Thanks again for all you do!   

Hotshot said that Caps won't post here anymore!Wonder why? 

My opinion, long story short; he's been lied to about a LOT of things and pulled into the chatngrumble group.  JMO 

My thoughts too, TM

[Keepthefaith]

Just because someone posts it here do not assume everyone agrees, we are simply taking in all sides so we can determine for ourselves what we want to believe.

Finngirl makes some valid points.  I have trusted Capslock and would still like to believe he is a good guy in all of this.  That said I don't agree with everything Caps says either.

If Kermit is wrong, please feel free to post why with an attempt to back it up with proof. 

With that, I'm calling it a night.

GOODNIGHT ALL!

I'm right there with you concerning Caps, Klaas.  Maybe I'm one of the "conned" that's been referred to, but I'm still hoping that's not true. 


Goodnight Klaas!  Thanks again for all you do!   

Hotshot said that Caps won't post here anymore!Wonder why? 

My opinion, long story short; he's been lied to about a LOT of things and pulled into the chatngrumble group.  JMO 

It's unfortunate to say the least!I hope Caps doesn't listen to what he's told by other's who may have ulterior motives...

I honestly don't know what he really believes.  I can only say that the only communication I've had with him recently is to answer questions that stem from lies he has been told about me.  I have been honest with him, that's all I can do.   

If you hear from him.Tell him he is always welcome to Scared Monkey's!

[crazybabyborg]

[texasmom]

Just because someone posts it here do not assume everyone agrees, we are simply taking in all sides so we can determine for ourselves what we want to believe.

Finngirl makes some valid points.  I have trusted Capslock and would still like to believe he is a good guy in all of this.  That said I don't agree with everything Caps says either.

If Kermit is wrong, please feel free to post why with an attempt to back it up with proof. 

With that, I'm calling it a night.

GOODNIGHT ALL!

I'm right there with you concerning Caps, Klaas.  Maybe I'm one of the "conned" that's been referred to, but I'm still hoping that's not true. 


Goodnight Klaas!  Thanks again for all you do!   

Hotshot said that Caps won't post here anymore!Wonder why? 

My opinion, long story short; he's been lied to about a LOT of things and pulled into the chatngrumble group.  JMO 

It's unfortunate to say the least!I hope Caps doesn't listen to what he's told by other's who may have ulterior motives...

I honestly don't know what he really believes.  I can only say that the only communication I've had with him recently is to answer questions that stem from lies he has been told about me.  I have been honest with him, that's all I can do.   

If you hear from him.Tell him he is always welcome to Scared Monkey's!

I think he knows that, but if I have the opportunity; I'll do it!   

[Keepthefaith]

Just because someone posts it here do not assume everyone agrees, we are simply taking in all sides so we can determine for ourselves what we want to believe.

Finngirl makes some valid points.  I have trusted Capslock and would still like to believe he is a good guy in all of this.  That said I don't agree with everything Caps says either.

If Kermit is wrong, please feel free to post why with an attempt to back it up with proof. 

With that, I'm calling it a night.

GOODNIGHT ALL!

I'm right there with you concerning Caps, Klaas.  Maybe I'm one of the "conned" that's been referred to, but I'm still hoping that's not true. 


Goodnight Klaas!  Thanks again for all you do!   

Hotshot said that Caps won't post here anymore!Wonder why? 

My opinion, long story short; he's been lied to about a LOT of things and pulled into the chatngrumble group.  JMO 

It's unfortunate to say the least!I hope Caps doesn't listen to what he's told by other's who may have ulterior motives...

I honestly don't know what he really believes.  I can only say that the only communication I've had with him recently is to answer questions that stem from lies he has been told about me.  I have been honest with him, that's all I can do.   

If you hear from him.Tell him he is always welcome to Scared Monkey's!

I think he knows that, but if I have the opportunity; I'll do it!   

.........................JUSTICE FOR NATALEE...........................TRUTH.....IT WILL PREVAIL........

[texasmom]

To clarify

1.  Hotshot's real life name has been out there since almost the beginning of the case, mostly because she chose to do interviews and "put herself" out there.  Hotshots real life name is common knowledge to everyone that has followed this case.

2.  Kermit's name is not common knowledge, in fact, until Hotshot posted it I didn't know what it was.  That is why it's not ok to post Kermit's real life name.

3.  I have no idea where Kermit lives and do not correspond with Kermit outside this forum with the exception of one or two recent emails pertaining to the Kyle issue.  Never before. 

4.  I don't appreciate people spreading false rumors about me or others at SM. 

5.  SM is a discussion forum.  We are not beholden to anyone and take orders from no one.  The idea is to discuss different pieces of evidence and do our best to facilitate justice in missing persons cases.

6.  I don't agree with everything posted at SM and I don't expect people to always agree with me.  Just because it's posted does not mean everyone at SM feels the same. 


I could go on and on but why bother.  Nobody listens anyway, their egos get in the way.

I'm listening.

Hugs

Janet

I listen to your every word, Klaas.
BTW that is not Kermit's real name.  That is Kermit's cover.

Sweet...Another reason I stand with the frog!

Yeah, that is pretty cool!  

[texasmom]

I agree Keepthefaith!   

[billb's daughter]

Just because someone posts it here do not assume everyone agrees, we are simply taking in all sides so we can determine for ourselves what we want to believe.

Finngirl makes some valid points.  I have trusted Capslock and would still like to believe he is a good guy in all of this.  That said I don't agree with everything Caps says either.

If Kermit is wrong, please feel free to post why with an attempt to back it up with proof. 

With that, I'm calling it a night.

GOODNIGHT ALL!

I'm right there with you concerning Caps, Klaas.  Maybe I'm one of the "conned" that's been referred to, but I'm still hoping that's not true. 


Goodnight Klaas!  Thanks again for all you do!   

Hotshot said that Caps won't post here anymore!Wonder why? 

My opinion, long story short; he's been lied to about a LOT of things and pulled into the chatngrumble group.  JMO 

It's unfortunate to say the least!I hope Caps doesn't listen to what he's told by other's who may have ulterior motives...

I honestly don't know what he really believes.  I can only say that the only communication I've had with him recently is to answer questions that stem from lies he has been told about me.  I have been honest with him, that's all I can do.   

Unless Caps comes on SM and responds to the posts that questions his/her motives, I'll tend to believe the posts can not be countered by Caps....Same as I believe Kyle won't come back to counter posts negative to him.
I wanted to believe Caps...but without hearing from him and with what Kermit has posted. I lean towards Caps being a diversion, whether intentional or not (he may have been led unwillingly-I don't know).
I just can't buy into the reasoning put forth by some that Caps/kyle won't post again on SM because they somehow feel that they have been wronged We are here to search for Justice for Natalee....I say to Caps/Kyle.... defend your positions or be regarded as untrustworthy....what do you have to hide if you have truth on your side? I want to believe...give me reasons to believe...others trying to defend you just don't cut it with me...

[Keepthefaith]

I agree Keepthefaith!   

I'm off to bed TM.I'm still awaiting some answers from some questions i posed to Hotshot and ldstlou.I Keepthefaith maybe one day they will answer!No more drive-by posts!goodnight...

[Keepthefaith]

Just because someone posts it here do not assume everyone agrees, we are simply taking in all sides so we can determine for ourselves what we want to believe.

Finngirl makes some valid points.  I have trusted Capslock and would still like to believe he is a good guy in all of this.  That said I don't agree with everything Caps says either.

If Kermit is wrong, please feel free to post why with an attempt to back it up with proof. 

With that, I'm calling it a night.

GOODNIGHT ALL!

I'm right there with you concerning Caps, Klaas.  Maybe I'm one of the "conned" that's been referred to, but I'm still hoping that's not true. 


Goodnight Klaas!  Thanks again for all you do!   

Hotshot said that Caps won't post here anymore!Wonder why? 

My opinion, long story short; he's been lied to about a LOT of things and pulled into the chatngrumble group.  JMO 

It's unfortunate to say the least!I hope Caps doesn't listen to what he's told by other's who may have ulterior motives...

I honestly don't know what he really believes.  I can only say that the only communication I've had with him recently is to answer questions that stem from lies he has been told about me.  I have been honest with him, that's all I can do.   

Unless Caps comes on SM and responds to the posts that questions his/her motives, I'll tend to believe the posts can not be countered by Caps....Same as I believe Kyle won't come back to counter posts negative to him.
I wanted to believe Caps...but without hearing from him and with what Kermit has posted. I lean towards Caps being a diversion, whether intentional or not (he may have been led unwillingly-I don't know).
I just can't buy into the reasoning put forth by some that Caps/kyle won't post again on SM because they somehow feel that they have been wronged We are here to search for Justice for Natalee....I say to Caps/Kyle.... defend your positions or be regarded as untrustworthy....what do you have to hide if you have truth on your side? I want to believe...give me reasons to believe...others trying to defend you just don't cut it with me...

I agree BillB!Posters need to quit speaking on Caps/Kyle's behalf.Period.I will say it again.I stand,hop,as well as ribbit with the Frog!