Natalee Case Discussion #787 12/24/08 - 12/31/08

[texasmom]

Was Maggie and CBB's concerns right on?  Was the search for the "Michelle" .... an Aruban  vessel that was in distress one of the diversions which Kyle Kingman's was referring to ... the diversions to keep the crew of the Persistence away from the cage/trap which may have held Natalee Holloway's remains?

Kyle Kingman does not think so but ... when you consider ... the pond tip ... the Costa Rica tip ... the pond witnesses ... Joran confessions ... the investigation of Jan Vander Straaten by Rudy Croes ...

 

Janet

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MAGGIE

God bless you all!

Please be careful. Trusting the Aruban government can prove fatal. I find it interesting that the Aruban Port Authority would contact you at 2100, 9pm, about a missing boat. Had they no one else to send for rescue? 9pm? Then they send you a different set of coordinates? I know you have to do the right thing and pursue the lost boat, but I think you might have been in an area searching where they didn't want you to be or they just wanted to cost you a night's work. I also worry they might try to harm the Persistance. I sincerely hope I am wrong but felt the need to tell you my concerns.

CBB

I share the same concerns as Maggie! I can't help but worry that the ship was in the vacinity where Natalee could be found when the call came in. Obviously, the perpetrators of Natalee's demise had help from authorities and someone knows where she was disposed. The ship may have been too close for comfort.

Take care and God Bless you for all you are doing! You remain in my thoughts and prayers every day!

KYLE KINGMAN

This wasn't part of any conspiracy or diversion. The Michelle was in distress. They likely lost their mast in which case they would lose GPS positioning.  By the time they realised they were in trouble they got disoriented and didn't know where they were.  Those seas were very rough. The night can be extremely disorienting especially with clouds on the horizon, no power, and bouncing around inside of a derilict boat.  It's courtesy to respond to distress calls when you're in the vicinity.
 
The Persistence is always in the vicinity where Natalee could be found.  This is why we're searching.  IMO The Aruban authorities have done nothing but help in anyway they can.
As for costing a nights work... the night was too rough to search and we would have turned towards the dock shortly anyhow.

That has always been suspicious to me too! 
 

Even more suspicious when you consider Kyle Kingman's words posted on a private site sometime in the months following.  It was almost as though he was through covering for John S./ALE conspiracy.  I wish his concerns had been shared with the FBI and/or Natalee Holloway's family.

Janet

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KYLE KINGMAN'S POST - PRIVATE SITE

Kyle: We're being fed misinformation to keep us searching and out of their way while they cover their asses, destroy evidence, cover their tracks, and keep us out at sea and away from the trap.

I agree Janet.   

[Tamikosmom]

Hope all you Monkey's had a wonderful Christmas..

I agree with Janet at this point in time.Also.Remember Red said things are going on behind the scenes,as well as Rob has contact with Tj Ward.We'll have to await their word!Let's get back to The Persistence.Where are John Silvetti,Tim Trahan,as well as Schaeffer and everyone else that was involved on the 7th of Jan??

I had a great Christmas but soooo glad it is all over.  I thrive on routine ... structure.  I find the Christmas season ... for the most part ... so overwhelming at times.  Although ... hubby and I are going to venture out to do some visiting this afternoon ... the peace and quiet of the morning has been appreciated.

Keepthefaith ... I hope that your Christmas went well.

When Kyle Kingman's words posted at another site are considered ... I do not think the topic of the cage/trap should lose focus until the contents the ALE retrieved without a challenge by John S. are revealed.  The family may be working behind the scenes but ... the posts of Monkeys have meaning as well.  Scared Monkeys' forums are open ... open for ALL to read.  It only takes one person who has the ability to make a significant difference ....

Janet
12:30 PM PT

I pray for Kyle.To live with his knowledge with his daughter being named Natalee will be an ever present reminder of the ability to do right or wrong!"If" he has faith.He knows what the right choice is!

Glad you had a wonderful Christmas Janet.Down here in the Seattle area it was a little difficult traffic wise but,one can't complain with a white Christmas..

keepthefairth

I reside in the Fraser Valley of British Columbia ... just across the American border from you.  For the most part we share the same weather patterns.  However ... although there is close to two feet of snow in the Valley ... the main roads and freeways are been kept well ploughed and salted so ... commuting has not been a real problem although there have been a few serious incidences reported.

A friend of my daughter and SIL was killed just prior to Christmas in a vehicle accident on the  Coquihalla while ... returning home to the Valley with wife and four children (7-13) from a skiing trip at Manning Park.  Their van hit black ice.  Thankfully ... the rest of the family were uninjuried for the most part.

It has warmed a little today and ... melting has taken place so ... I hope temperatures do not return to those below freezing temperatures.  As we have a 4-wheel drive truck ... it is ice I detest more than snow when commuting.

My daughter and family made from the Eastern Fraser Valley for Christmas and ... son and famly made it from Vancouver Island and ... all have made it home safely.

However ... our church and most churches in the Fraser Valley did cancel Christmas Eve services.

Janet

[texasmom]

Mambo Jambo December 20th





December 24th Mambo Jambo

Do you think that is SC in the top pic with hair design & 4 days later in 2nd pic has regular hair?  I don't, but I guess it doesn't matter....

If you look closely, (as disgusting as it is...) you can see the design in the front of his hair in the 24th pic.  His hair grows fast I guess (maybe kin to a whooly mammoth? lol), but I think both pics are POS Steve.

[truthseeker2]

I don't think his hair grew back that quickly.  Could be the actual date the pic was taken is not the 24th.  Or the one shown as the 20th could have been an earlier date.

[Tamikosmom]

Have a nice afternoon texasmom and truthseeker2.

Janet
1:30 PM PT

[truthseeker2]

Have a nice afternoon texasmom and truthseeker2.

Janet
1:30 PM PT

You, too, Janet.  I'm heading home from work.  Anxious to see how much traffic there is today!

[klaasend]

I'm going to cut everyone some slack since it is the holidays but....come 2009 let's try to be better:

[bleachedblack]

http://www.coolaruba.com/component/option,com_gallery2/Itemid,28/?g2_itemId=623306

http://www.coolaruba.com/component/option,com_gallery2/Itemid,28/?g2_itemId=623294

[texasmom]

Have a nice afternoon texasmom and truthseeker2.

Janet
1:30 PM PT

You too, Janet!

[texasmom]

 

http://www.awe24.com/

DAMA TURISTA A HOGA NA MOMENTO CU EL A BAY DIVE

NAN A BAY DIVE CU E BOTO MI AMIGO

[texasmom]

http://www.awe24.com/

DAMA TURISTA A HOGA NA MOMENTO CU EL A BAY DIVE

NAN A BAY DIVE CU E BOTO MI AMIGO

Dive Aruba has a boat called the Amigo.

[texasmom]

http://www.awe24.com/

Another pic from the site, and it does have Dive Aruba on the side.

[2NJSons_Mom]

I don't think his hair grew back that quickly.  Could be the actual date the pic was taken is not the 24th.  Or the one shown as the 20th could have been an earlier date.

We agree, here, truthseeker2....maybe they were posted on those dates and not taken on those dates???...who knows.  My older son shaves his head, and it definitely doesn't grow back that much in 4 days.  DH hated it until his started to receed too much so he started to do the same...so I have two men here to base it on.  Anyway, it was an observation and I always appreciate BB's picture updates.

[bleachedblack]

I read about the dive accident on an Aruba Bulletin board- not much info. but in looking at the pics, all I can say is I wouldn't want to count on any of the three guys on that boat to do CPR on me. Hell they don't look terribly upset-just throw the towel over her head- feet and fingers starting to show signs of cyanosis, wonder if they tried CPR? no police around ( would you think they would radio someone?). Maybe I am reading to much into the pics.....very sorry for the lady- looks like she is wearing an all inclusive band on her left wrist.

[klaasend]

Occupancy Rates Are Down 20 to 25 Percent For High-Season 2009


December 24th 2008, Aruba.

ORANJESTAD-CEO of Aruba Hotel And Tourism Association (AHATA), Rob
Smith is expecting difficult times for the island's tourism industry during 2009.
Based on the latest reservations, hotels are reporting occupancy rates ranging
between 65 and 67 percent for the high-season of 2009 that is between 20 to
25 percent down compared to the average high-season occupancy rate.

Smith calls the projected occupancy rate for the first quarter of 2009 grave.
Hotels on the island should have healthy occupancy rates of between 82 and
85 percent in the first quarter of the year to break even for the rest of the
year.

There is a noticeable trend in bookings in the past months. Visitors are now
booking their trip to Aruba an average of 21 days in advance. In the past
visitors reserved their trip to Aruba months ahead. The changing behaviour in
reservations may be attributed to uncertainty in personal finances and job
security, in addition to domestic and global economic outlook. Therefore it is
extremely hard to give a much accurate projection of the occupancy rate for
the high-season of 2009.

There is also good news, so far no additional hotels have announced lay-offs
of their employees to AHATA. Radisson Aruba Caribbean Resort & Casino has
decided to lay-off 40 employees on voluntary basis in the Fall of 2008 as a
result of low occupancy rate.

http://www.aruba-bb.com/viewtopic.php?f=11&t=66068

[klaasend]

I read about the dive accident on an Aruba Bulletin board- not much info. but in looking at the pics, all I can say is I wouldn't want to count on any of the three guys on that boat to do CPR on me. Hell they don't look terribly upset-just throw the towel over her head- feet and fingers starting to show signs of cyanosis, wonder if they tried CPR? no police around ( would you think they would radio someone?). Maybe I am reading to much into the pics.....very sorry for the lady- looks like she is wearing an all inclusive band on her left wrist.

[San]

I read about the dive accident on an Aruba Bulletin board- not much info. but in looking at the pics, all I can say is I wouldn't want to count on any of the three guys on that boat to do CPR on me. Hell they don't look terribly upset-just throw the towel over her head- feet and fingers starting to show signs of cyanosis, wonder if they tried CPR? no police around ( would you think they would radio someone?). Maybe I am reading to much into the pics.....very sorry for the lady- looks like she is wearing an all inclusive band on her left wrist.

I agree Bleached.  They don't look upset at all.  I wonder if they even know CPR.  Geez this poor woman.

[truthseeker2]

I don't think his hair grew back that quickly.  Could be the actual date the pic was taken is not the 24th.  Or the one shown as the 20th could have been an earlier date.

We agree, here, truthseeker2....maybe they were posted on those dates and not taken on those dates???...who knows.  My older son shaves his head, and it definitely doesn't grow back that much in 4 days.  DH hated it until his started to receed too much so he started to do the same...so I have two men here to base it on.  Anyway, it was an observation and I always appreciate BB's picture updates.

I know what you mean.  My son shaved his head during his sophomore year of high school.  In June of his rising senior year I begged him to grow it out for his senior pics.  He did, but it took a while to even get a good stubble on his head.  BB always has interesting stuff posted.  The dates those pics were taken may be messed up.

[Blue Moon]

I read about the dive accident on an Aruba Bulletin board- not much info. but in looking at the pics, all I can say is I wouldn't want to count on any of the three guys on that boat to do CPR on me. Hell they don't look terribly upset-just throw the towel over her head- feet and fingers starting to show signs of cyanosis, wonder if they tried CPR? no police around ( would you think they would radio someone?). Maybe I am reading to much into the pics.....very sorry for the lady- looks like she is wearing an all inclusive band on her left wrist.

I am still waiting on my brother-in-law to show up so I can "educate him" on his planned trip to Aruba.  If he still goes then I can only say I tried and he is stubborn.

[Tamikosmom]

I'm going to cut everyone some slack since it is the holidays but....come 2009 let's try to be better:

YOU TALKIN TO ME WILLIS!!