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« Reply #600 on: December 20, 2008, 07:14:56 PM »

Is anybody watching Fox News and the latest report about what was carried out of the Anthonys home? Two big cartons followed by a girl carrying wrapped B'Day presents!!!!

OMG what could the presents have to do with anything?? 
I don't know boo, I wish I could see the search warrant.
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« Reply #601 on: December 20, 2008, 07:15:47 PM »

Good evening all...big news today, huh?!!??
Good Evening to ye too dejasade!!!
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« Reply #602 on: December 20, 2008, 07:16:57 PM »

Is anybody watching Fox News and the latest report about what was carried out of the Anthonys home? Two big cartons followed by a girl carrying wrapped B'Day presents!!!!
Is there a link?  OMG, what a great way to "hide" evidence???????????? 
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« Reply #603 on: December 20, 2008, 07:18:14 PM »

Is anybody watching Fox News and the latest report about what was carried out of the Anthonys home? Two big cartons followed by a girl carrying wrapped B'Day presents!!!!

OMG what could the presents have to do with anything?? 
I don't know boo, I wish I could see the search warrant.

What if those wrapped presents were nothing more than empty boxes????  How would the Anthony's explain that.
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« Reply #604 on: December 20, 2008, 07:18:36 PM »


Defending Caylee's mom a challenge, experts say

http://www.cnn.com/2008/CRIME/12/20/caylee.anthony.next/

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"If you don't have a cause of death, isn't it possible that it might have been an accident?" Kobilinsky said.

Thanks for that article, littletxlady! 

The part I snipped above, and bolded....    

Surely this will not work in court????? 

No worries--bolded it for you. Yes, I think they will try to use it in court. And, it might work. But they will also include the computer searches as circumstantial evidence for premediation--methinks anyway.

Thanks!  If they do use it in court, sure am hoping the jury looks a bit deeper. 

And about the computer searches.. think the defense will say something like, yeah those searches were there, with three adults living in the house, prove that it was casey who made those searches.    

I guess that's one of the problems with circumstantial evidence?  Sure am hoping that an over-abundance of circumstantial evidence will give it all greater weight. 


I don't believe the accidental death explanation will work... I look at it this way- if you asked 100 people what would they do if their child died accidentally- how many would say  "I would cover it up, lie to the police, and the worst thing that could happen would be that I would get in trouble" .....  most of us would say the opposite, you would try to get help for your child and never mind what the consequences were, if it truly was an accident.

Accidental death defense works great if you can establish some form of mental illness which causes a person's mind to behave differently from "most of us".  If you can establish that this person was already actively paranoid, not going to the police is normal behavior for such a person.

Also, what you say now and what you would actually do in such a situation are two different things.  Nothing is ever as simple as "you've just accidentally hurt a child and the child needs help."  Real life has reaction-altering situations, such as the other parent secretly molesting the child, giving you the choice between your child dying or your child living but growing up under the complete control of a child molestor because you lose custody thanks to the truly accidental harm you caused to the child.  Or you hearing the recent news of the local foster care system employing people who neglect and abuse children in the foster care system, and the accidental death of this child will lead to your other children being released into the care of these neglectful and abusive people.  Or a host of other problems which might make you think the accidentally hurt child will be better off dead.

No one in a future situation is exactly who they are right now.

Giving your child illegal substances is not accidental.

Giving your child illegal substances is not accidental, but killing your child by giving them substances for which you do not know the lethal dose for a child is accidental death by negligence, not intentional murder.  If the prosecutor can't prove that Casey knew how much was a lethal dose of the illegal substance for a small child, then he can't prove the child's death was intentional, especially if forensics can't prove the level of drugs in the child's system at the time of death.
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« Reply #605 on: December 20, 2008, 07:18:39 PM »

Is anybody watching Fox News and the latest report about what was carried out of the Anthonys home? Two big cartons followed by a girl carrying wrapped B'Day presents!!!!

OMG what could the presents have to do with anything?? 

Hiding evidence in plain sight....  She even mentioned those on Greta!  (wasn't it Greta?  or was it the Jessica interview)
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« Reply #606 on: December 20, 2008, 07:19:29 PM »

Is anybody watching Fox News and the latest report about what was carried out of the Anthonys home? Two big cartons followed by a girl carrying wrapped B'Day presents!!!!
Is there a link?  OMG, what a great way to "hide" evidence???????????? 
Boy................I cant believe the Anthonys are that smart..........
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« Reply #607 on: December 20, 2008, 07:19:43 PM »


Defending Caylee's mom a challenge, experts say

http://www.cnn.com/2008/CRIME/12/20/caylee.anthony.next/

... snipped for quote

"If you don't have a cause of death, isn't it possible that it might have been an accident?" Kobilinsky said.


Thanks for that article, littletxlady! 

The part I snipped above, and bolded....

Surely this will not work in court????? 

Of course it could work in court.  Criminal trials require stronger proof for the stronger charges, and if you can't prove cause of death then you can't prove that the crime (sans confession) was premeditated and intentional.  High-grade murder charges usually require premeditation.

If Casey "comes clean" and announces as her defense that "the whole thing was a terrible accident, and because" Casey is "completely insane with depression and suicidal tendencies" Casey "tried to cover it up.....waaaaaahhh" <hides her face in her hands and squirts water into her eyes while no one can see, then looks up>.

She might get off with manslaughter instead of murder, and get out of prison before menopause, so she can start producing new future child "accidental death" victims.

Accidental death??? Funny Casey Anthony defense team is saying that Nanny did it not that the death happened in the presence of Casey and was an accident.

The duct tape, internet searches and presence of chloroform are going to be a hard accident sell.

No one goes so far out of their way to concoct a false story when its an accident.

Casey is the female JVDS.

... and the parents of Joran and Casey are carbon copies.

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CINDY AND GEORGE ANTHONY

VAN SUSTEREN: Do you 100 percent believe your daughter.?

CINDY ANTHONY: Yes, I do.

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« Reply #608 on: December 20, 2008, 07:20:13 PM »

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« Reply #609 on: December 20, 2008, 07:20:22 PM »

Good Afternoon Monkeys!

So another search of the Anthony home.  They were there and left rather quickly.  Makes me think they knew exactly what they were looking for.  Oh, and this "it's disrespectful for LE to spring this on the A's" nonsene I have been reading at another site, GMAFB!  It's disrespectful for a family to cover-up a murder of an innocent baby!

Lisa

Its a murder investigation!!!   Good Grief.  What do they expect?    Besides, the people living in that home are also asking for immunity.   Sounds like they are guilty of something, too.  jmo


 
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« Reply #610 on: December 20, 2008, 07:21:00 PM »

Is anybody watching Fox News and the latest report about what was carried out of the Anthonys home? Two big cartons followed by a girl carrying wrapped B'Day presents!!!!

OMG what could the presents have to do with anything?? 
I don't know boo, I wish I could see the search warrant.

There was a big discussion about what was in those wrapped presents either here or WS _ I've read so much here and there I get confused where I saw what. Cindy showed Greta I think it was in that interview the gifts she had for when Caylee came home and everybody was speculating that perhaps Cindy was wrapping up stuff that she couldn't very well dispose of that would be evidence and instead of trying to remove it from the house, leaving it in plain sight.
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« Reply #611 on: December 20, 2008, 07:22:31 PM »

Is anybody watching Fox News and the latest report about what was carried out of the Anthonys home? Two big cartons followed by a girl carrying wrapped B'Day presents!!!!
Is there a link?  OMG, what a great way to "hide" evidence???????????? 
Boy................I cant believe the Anthonys are that smart..........

DITTO.  Tha Ants have empty heads, not empty boxes...lol
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« Reply #612 on: December 20, 2008, 07:24:22 PM »

Is anybody watching Fox News and the latest report about what was carried out of the Anthonys home? Two big cartons followed by a girl carrying wrapped B'Day presents!!!!
Is there a link?  OMG, what a great way to "hide" evidence???????????? 
Boy................I cant believe the Anthonys are that smart..........

DITTO.  Tha Ants have empty heads, not empty boxes...lol

I just hope the police are not so reduced for theories and ideas that they are reduced to reading what posters who are amateur sleuths put on websites...
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« Reply #613 on: December 20, 2008, 07:25:01 PM »

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Your dogs are the cutest kind of dog EVER (well next to my maltese     )

Do they shed?
Yes, unfortunately!!  I have 2, a brown & white (like Boo) and a white and orange (like the pic she posted earlier)
They are sort of "hypoallergenic" LOL, their coats are good for people with allergies.  They hold dirt though and after being outdoors, can bring the outdoors with them.  They have sloppy beards and drool (mine aren't too bad, really) but they have the most human-like eyes and I adore them.  They are "gentle giants", mine weigh in at about 75 lbs each but they are so sweet.

Back to topic:

I hope we find out what was in those wrapped presents.  OMG!  I never thought of hiding something in there.   
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« Reply #614 on: December 20, 2008, 07:26:03 PM »

Good Afternoon Monkeys!

So another search of the Anthony home.  They were there and left rather quickly.  Makes me think they knew exactly what they were looking for.  Oh, and this "it's disrespectful for LE to spring this on the A's" nonsene I have been reading at another site, GMAFB!  It's disrespectful for a family to cover-up a murder of an innocent baby!

Lisa

Its a murder investigation!!!   Good Grief.  What do they expect?    Besides, the people living in that home are also asking for immunity.   Sounds like they are guilty of something, too.  jmo


 
No more disrespectful than they (anthony's)  have been to Caylee and her memory, IMO.
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« Reply #615 on: December 20, 2008, 07:26:22 PM »

I absalutly believe that the Anthony's are gonna need that immunity deal.  But I feel in my heart that its too late for them to ask for it.  I honestly think the LE is gonna follow up on the false information the Anthony's have given and charge them with something..
    I also think that Lee is the smartest one of them all, for going into hiding and getting away from the media and  not perjuring himself anymore than he already had, and therefore will prolly be the only one not in trouble with LE...........
     I also (as I have said here many times before) do not believe that Lee is the father nor do I believe George is,  I do still stand with my original post that the father is deceased,,,,,,,,,,



Hi HH,

It's good to see you.
I do need to ask because I do remember you saying this way back when the contemplation was new.  Is this just a feeling within your Heart; or is it from a hint from your source?  If it isn't something you can put up here you have my addy.  If it's something none of us can know then I understand and ask forgivness for asking.  I'm just so darn inquisitive or should I just say I'n NOSEY????
Hey PJ...............how are you.......   Yes its a hint.........as I said before.not a family member..............



LOLLLLLL HH!!!

Can you tell I was anxious to get an answer.  Heaven forbid, I even forgot to sign off.  Not to mention my spelling error

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« Reply #616 on: December 20, 2008, 07:26:42 PM »

I fully expect Casey Anthony to attempt the "Susan Smith" defense.  This is the profile developed by the FBI Behavioral Sciences division describing a homicidal mother, developed for the Susan Smith investigation, but just look how much it looks like Casey Anthony:

"Sheriff Wells and Agent Logan contacted the FBI's Behavioral Sciences Unit for assistance. Wells and Logan asked the unit to provide a profile of the characteristics of a homicidal mother. The profile the FBI provided fit Susan Smith almost perfectly. The FBI's profile described a woman in her twenties, who grew up or lived in poverty, was under-educated, had a history of either physical or sexual abuse or both, remained isolated from social supports, had depressive and suicidal tendencies and was usually experiencing rejection by a male lover at the time she murdered. The profile also described how the mother might also find herself enmeshed with her children and show an inability to define her boundaries as separate from her children. The profile also described how depression in the mother was often correlated with a blurring of boundaries. A mother's biological ties, her strong role expectations to be a mother, her significantly greater care giving responsibilities, her isolation in carrying out those responsibilities and her greater tendency toward depression and self-destruction were likely to result in her becoming trapped in enmeshment with her children."

"During a homicidal act, a mother may view a child as a mere extension of herself rather than as a separate being. A mother's suicidal inclination may often be transformed into filial homicide."

The "Susan Smith" defense is where you say that you are suicidal and that you accidentally struck at your child believing your child to be an extension of yourself.  The FBI would confirm this as plausible, and Casey Anthony gets either life without parole on murder, or a lesser charge of manslaughter instead.
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« Reply #617 on: December 20, 2008, 07:27:18 PM »


Casey is the female JVDS.


... and the parents of Joran and Casey are carbon copies.

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THE CAYLEE MARIE CASE
 
CINDY AND GEORGE ANTHONY

VAN SUSTEREN: Do you 100 percent believe your daughter.?

CINDY ANTHONY: Yes, I do.

VAN SUSTEREN: George, what about you, 100 percent?

GEORGE ANTHONY, MISSING CHILD'S GRANDFATHER: More than 100 percent

On the Record w/ Greta
August 6, 2008
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,398490,00.html

 
 
THE NATALEE HOLLOWAY CASE
 
ANITA VAN DER SLOOT


ANITA VAN DER SLOOT: … He said, The truth will come forward, and I know that I didn't do anything to the girl. And the truth will come forward. And he was so strong.  And I believe in him. I believe so in him. ... I believe in him 200 percent.

On the Record w/ Greta
June 23, 2005
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,160471,00.html

 
 
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CINDY ANTHONY

"She's very religious. She'd feel great comfort. We tried to get that to her, but she's not allowed to have it," Cindy Anthony said.

Orlando News
July 29, 2008
http://www.wesh.com/news/17013972/detail.html
 
 
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ANITA VAN DER SLOOT

ANITA VAN DER SLOOT: ... the only thing he could read was the Bible he got from a very nice police guy. He got a Bible to read.  And he was telling me, Mommy, look at me, I'm reading the Bible. Did you ever think about that? And I think it's great. It's difficult to read.

On the Record w/ Greta
June 23, 2005
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,160471,00.html
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« Reply #618 on: December 20, 2008, 07:28:00 PM »

Is anybody watching Fox News and the latest report about what was carried out of the Anthonys home? Two big cartons followed by a girl carrying wrapped B'Day presents!!!!

OMG what could the presents have to do with anything?? 
That is weird. Maybe they are building the case that A's knew she was dead. Maybe the boxes are empty and were for show for photo purpose such as the Christmas gift bags.
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« Reply #619 on: December 20, 2008, 07:28:36 PM »


Defending Caylee's mom a challenge, experts say

http://www.cnn.com/2008/CRIME/12/20/caylee.anthony.next/

... snipped for quote

"If you don't have a cause of death, isn't it possible that it might have been an accident?" Kobilinsky said.


Thanks for that article, littletxlady! 

The part I snipped above, and bolded....

Surely this will not work in court????? 

Of course it could work in court.  Criminal trials require stronger proof for the stronger charges, and if you can't prove cause of death then you can't prove that the crime (sans confession) was premeditated and intentional.  High-grade murder charges usually require premeditation.

If Casey "comes clean" and announces as her defense that "the whole thing was a terrible accident, and because" Casey is "completely insane with depression and suicidal tendencies" Casey "tried to cover it up.....waaaaaahhh" <hides her face in her hands and squirts water into her eyes while no one can see, then looks up>.

She might get off with manslaughter instead of murder, and get out of prison before menopause, so she can start producing new future child "accidental death" victims.

Accidental death??? Funny Casey Anthony defense team is saying that Nanny did it not that the death happened in the presence of Casey and was an accident.

The duct tape, internet searches and presence of chloroform are going to be a hard accident sell.

No one goes so far out of their way to concoct a false story when its an accident.

Casey is the female JVDS.

... and the parents of Joran and Casey are carbon copies.

Janet

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THE CAYLEE MARIE CASE
 
CINDY AND GEORGE ANTHONY

VAN SUSTEREN: Do you 100 percent believe your daughter.?

CINDY ANTHONY: Yes, I do.

VAN SUSTEREN: George, what about you, 100 percent?

GEORGE ANTHONY, MISSING CHILD'S GRANDFATHER: More than 100 percent

On the Record w/ Greta
August 6, 2008
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,398490,00.html

 
 
THE NATALEE HOLLOWAY CASE
 
ANITA VAN DER SLOOT


ANITA VAN DER SLOOT: … He said, The truth will come forward, and I know that I didn't do anything to the girl. And the truth will come forward. And he was so strong.  And I believe in him. I believe so in him. ... I believe in him 200 percent.

On the Record w/ Greta
June 23, 2005
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,160471,00.html

 
 

I'm no mathematician, but it annoys me when people use expressions like 110%, 200%, etc. I was under the impression that the a percentage above %100 doesn't exist...so just say 100% and be done with it.

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