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« Reply #380 on: December 22, 2008, 02:00:51 AM »

I thought Casey did this intentionally out of anger due to the fight on the 15th but I can't seem to get a time line with that worked out in my head. It sounded like they had a big fight and Casey left. Did she take Caylee? Some say she was pacing in a hotel parking lot, but that has not been confirmed.

Did this happen on the night of the 15th and if so where? Why did the dogs hit in the back yard?

Or was there a swimming pool accident on the 16th, and Casey tried to cover it up with the duct tape and kidnapping story?

I guess I am just wishing it was an accident and that somehow the chlorine showed up as chloroform in the tests.....

Anybody have any of this worked out?   
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« Reply #381 on: December 22, 2008, 02:01:09 AM »

Perhaps you could change your name to Big Time??     Or Duct Abductor???   

  

She's the Abducktor!!!

   Just in time!!  I needed a good laugh!!
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« Reply #382 on: December 22, 2008, 02:01:39 AM »


I am sorry to say I am no fan of Wendy Murphy!  Yes, she says what's on her mind - and I admire that but her opinions on certain things are just wrong, IMO.  I hate when she talks about the Ramseys.  I followed that case, and no one will ever convince me that they played a role in the killing of Jon Benet!!

I disagree on Jon Benet. 

Nothing would surprise me in the Caylee case.  Casey was capable of anything, imo.

No one will ever know with that case as the investigation and evidence was so botched.

However, if it happened today and a little girl was found dead in the parents home, evidence was found on the duct tape to the mom and both parents refused lie detector tests and did not cooperate with the police imagine what we all would be saying?

I am just saying. Apply those same principles to this case and forget the personalities. In covering cases for over 3 years now I have come to one conclusion ... people are capable of anything, especially parents with crimes on this children. One of the saddest and most heart wrenching cases I was ever covered and was involved with was the Marcus Fiesel.

http://scaredmonkeys.com/2007/02/21/liz-carroll-mother-of-3-year-old-murdered-fotser-child-marcus-fiesel-found-guity/

I was actually emailed and comments posted on SM regarding our coverage of this case and how terrible we were by the mother. Actually she made threats and called me every name in the book The next day she was arrested for the murder of her son.

Unfortunately the Jon Benet case is one that will never be solved.

I remember this case very well!  Foster care parents need to be supervised far more than they are.  Foster care case workers need to be better trained.  As a former child abuse investigator, I met so many foster care parents I wouldn't leave my dog with!!  I couldn't believe someone actually certified some of these poeple!!   

That is so sad, MT.

Now you moved on to abusing monkeys and stealing duckies.  You have hit the big time.   


Perhaps you could change your name to Big Time??     Or Duct Abductor???   

Whoops DUCK not Duct!!
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« Reply #383 on: December 22, 2008, 02:02:20 AM »

Perhaps you could change your name to Big Time??     Or Duct Abductor???   

  

She's the Abducktor!!!

   Just in time!!  I needed a good laugh!!

When I need a good laugh, I just look at your avatar!!
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« Reply #384 on: December 22, 2008, 02:03:43 AM »




Perhaps you could change your name to Big Time??     Or Duct Abductor???   

Whoops DUCK not Duct!!

It just depends on her MO! 
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« Reply #385 on: December 22, 2008, 02:06:16 AM »

I am sorry to say I am no fan of Wendy Murphy!  Yes, she says what's on her mind - and I admire that but her opinions on certain things are just wrong, IMO.  I hate when she talks about the Ramseys.  I followed that case, and no one will ever convince me that they played a role in the killing of Jon Benet!!

I disagree on Jon Benet. 

Nothing would surprise me in the Caylee case.  Casey was capable of anything, imo.

No one will ever know with that case as the investigation and evidence was so botched.

However, if it happened today and a little girl was found dead in the parents home, evidence was found on the duct tape to the mom and both parents refused lie detector tests and did not cooperate with the police imagine what we all would be saying?

I am just saying. Apply those same principles to this case and forget the personalities. In covering cases for over 3 years now I have come to one conclusion ... people are capable of anything, especially parents with crimes on this children. One of the saddest and most heart wrenching cases I was ever covered and was involved with was the Marcus Fiesel.

http://scaredmonkeys.com/2007/02/21/liz-carroll-mother-of-3-year-old-murdered-fotser-child-marcus-fiesel-found-guity/

I was actually emailed and comments posted on SM regarding our coverage of this case and how terrible we were by the mother. Actually she made threats and called me every name in the book The next day she was arrested for the murder of her son.

Unfortunately the Jon Benet case is one that will never be solved.

I remember this case very well!  Foster care parents need to be supervised far more than they are.  Foster care case workers need to be better trained.  As a former child abuse investigator, I met so many foster care parents I wouldn't leave my dog with!!  I couldn't believe someone actually certified some of these poeple!!   

That is so sad, MT.

Now you moved on to abusing monkeys and stealing duckies.  You have hit the big time.   


You all are some really funny monkeys.  Love your one-liners.
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« Reply #386 on: December 22, 2008, 02:07:15 AM »

Bearly,

You have not once commented on my new sophisticated look!  I am so deeply hurt.  I try to change my ways just for you and nothing, absolutely nothing!!   
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« Reply #387 on: December 22, 2008, 02:10:48 AM »

And Casey has always lied to her family and her friends, and they have either believed it or didnt care enough to dispute her word, but the courts will not be like that.  They will not accept the lies.


She had no idea. for some reason, that they would actually check her story out.  Imagine!!!!  Going to Universal, walking down the halls...left, right, left , right...turn around...I lied...I don't work here....Unfathomable!!!!  Did she think they were going to stop her and say...Oh, guess you do work here, nevermind.

So many things have happened since then, I almost forgot what size her ba!!$ were to attempt that.   
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« Reply #388 on: December 22, 2008, 02:12:59 AM »

Hiyas, has the ME said the time of death, could that be determined?
Im interested to hear what wanda Weary has to say for herself, after claiming she saw and spoke to Caylee getting that flight to Atlanta.  Her storys been blown right outta the water now, hope they charge her.  I mentioned this before, but Im so behind. 

I thought Australia was ahead of us, not behind!

How are you today?

Hello Bear, yes we are ahead of USA, but "Im" behind 
Getting over a tummy virus I caught off DH 

How generous of him...
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« Reply #389 on: December 22, 2008, 02:14:23 AM »

Bearly, It may just be a simple as Lee was a big tease?  Or it may not!  ?   

Huh?

I think it was being a big jerk rather than a big tease, imo. 
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« Reply #390 on: December 22, 2008, 02:15:20 AM »


MT  I think you are 100% correct.  I think Cindy has perpetuated Casey's lies for a long time.  Some mom's don't want to believe their kids can do any wrong, they think it reflects on them.  I think when Casey lied to her mom and blamed others for her behavior Cindy jumped on it like white on rice, and ran with it.  Since childhood.  JMO 

I think Cindy has been creating this "perfect" little family, at least to others for a long time. I think it was part of why she didn't want to admit that Casey was pregnant.
I see this with people that I work with all the time. One lady at work has had a son going to college for a number of years. One day just out of curiosity I found him on the Missouri prison website. I guess he is taking college courses there.
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« Reply #391 on: December 22, 2008, 02:20:04 AM »

I thought Casey did this intentionally out of anger due to the fight on the 15th but I can't seem to get a time line with that worked out in my head. It sounded like they had a big fight and Casey left. Did she take Caylee? Some say she was pacing in a hotel parking lot, but that has not been confirmed.

Did this happen on the night of the 15th and if so where? Why did the dogs hit in the back yard?

Or was there a swimming pool accident on the 16th, and Casey tried to cover it up with the duct tape and kidnapping story?

I guess I am just wishing it was an accident and that somehow the chlorine showed up as chloroform in the tests.....

Anybody have any of this worked out?   

Somewhere late at night on the 15th..she had an 80 min. phone call with Tony..after the fight I think.  Don't know about the hotel thing for sure.  

I think the dogs hit in the back yard because when she came home on the 18th backed in the car...the trunk was full of maggots...ew...can you imagine picking up the bag with those things on it?  Perhaps, she sprayed it with the insecticide to kill them....and then rinsed that bag off...put the bag for a little while in the back yard.  Cindy told her to move it that George would find it.  Came back to get it ..had to spray it again.... rinse it off.  Maybe put on another bag.  Put it back in the trunk and then disposed of it the day she ran out of gas in her neighborhood.

My warped theory only.  Subject to change.
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« Reply #392 on: December 22, 2008, 02:21:27 AM »

Why Do the Anthony's always say Caylee was 3 years Old??????? She never had the chance to be 3!!!!! Thanks to that whole crazy family. I don't know why that bothers me so bad but it REALLY, REALLY DOES!!!!!

Because she was only 2 months away from her 3rd birthday when she died. She was over 3 1/2 feet tall and over 35 lbs.  If you say she was 2, people picture a baby like she was in her pictures over a year ago. She looked like a 3-year-old, not a 2-year-old. IMO saying she was 3 gives a much more accurate picture of what she looked and acted like.

I understand.

I feel that Caylee was robbed of her third birthday and by saying she is three, the Ants make it seem like that theft never happened.  Her third birthday and the rest of her life was stolen from her.


Bearly, I think our emotions are just raw, and the details seem so important. I think that everyday when I log in and see  just reported by mother #, and I just want to say ARRRGGG she NEVER reported her missing. If she hadn't left Amy's resume in the car, if Amy hadn't answered her phone, if she and Tony had gone out, if, if, if, we may have never have known Caylee was missing!!!

I think about that, too.  How long would this have gone on?
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« Reply #393 on: December 22, 2008, 02:21:42 AM »

Good night Monkeys - see you tomorrow - same time - same place!!
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« Reply #394 on: December 22, 2008, 02:22:15 AM »

Even though you knew Caylee was dead, didn't you feel like you were sucker punched when it was announced?

Yes, Bearly, absolutely.   And for me it was particularly unreal.  I had taken the day off from work and was on dial up at my boyfriend's house.  I was trying to catch up on the boards and was making my usual flippant remarks on the previous thread.  Two hours later I found out and skipped ahead on the boards.

I never doubted for a minute that Caylee was no longer with us, but the news came so quietly (reading it on the web)  that it seems unreal.  It's not like in the movies when things follow according to script and there is appropriate clues and music, you know what I mean?

I feel sort of a depression like women might feel after having a baby or when you have been totally involved in a project and it's over.  (Although I realize this investigation and the trial that will follow is far from over.)

As to the speculation that Casey might have gotten Caylee involved in child pornography, I have a hard time accepting that.  I think though that maybe Casey was running in crowds where it could have eventually happened and therefore maybe someone suggested to her to use drugs to subdue her when she/Casey was trying to party.  I don't think it quite got to the point where Caylee was sexually abused.

I do think it is much more likely that Casey was involved in some kind of sex parties or amateur porno.  I don't think she was a call girl, she didn't have enough money and didn't have enough opportunity.  (She was always on the phone and how can you be a call girl when your child is often with you?)

I do want to ask something of you and other monkeys, however.  Did you notice how fresh and beautiful Caylee was early on and later she did not look so well?  To me, she didn't look her beautiful self when she was in the car seat holding her dollie.  Instead of thriving as she got older, the opposite seemed to be true.


The hardest thing to accept is that we will probably never know what really happened.

I was also on a roller coaster about the meter reader and all that speculation but I have come to one conclusion and that is he saw a bag that wasn't related and his interest came from the foul smell in the woods.  I'm quessing he kept calling cause there was no indication that his lead was being followed up on or he got an attitude from the people he reported his concerns to.

Because of my faith in God and my understanding of God's timing, I see the discovery of the body as a miracle and a blessing.  Just a couple of weeks ago I though we would never find her body at all.

I am praying for the sick dysfunctional people that didn't give Caylee the life she deserved.  The alternative would be to be consumed by hate.

Thanks for "listening".

Karen

Thanks, Karen.  There was a lot of good thoughts in your post.

I did notice how Caylee looked confused and scared toward the end.  It did not escape me that it appeared Lee enjoyed torturing her also.  Wonder what that was about.  Was he jealous?  We have gone over the 'maybe Lee is the father' thing many times.  Can we think of another reason?



There was that talk about Lee being cold toward his sister when he found out she was pregnant.  Maybe he is protective of Casey and expected better for her (than to have a child and not be married) and he never got over that.  It seems like the people in that family have poor coping skills, perhaps Lee just doesn't know how to relate to children.

I think the thought that a child is a blessing, regardless of circumstances, might be a foreign concept to Lee.

Perhaps we are making too much of Lee taunting Caylee . . . in my family the men liked to tease girls mercilessly.  I chalk it up to the men not knowing how to show affection appropriately.  I was pinned on the floor and tickled, stuff like that.  There are even pictures taken of me when I was growing up that would give an impression that I was being psychologically abused.

I grew up to be OK with all of it and to understand that the men in my family don't know how to appropriately show love.  Too bad Caylee didn't have the same chance to grow up to be a woman.

Karen

ITA about Lee's resentment of Casey's pregnancy.

I must have missed the pictures or tapes where Lee taunts Caylee. In all the pictures I've seen, he looks scared of her. And she looks serious and scared of him. I haven't seen any where they're roughhousing, or where he's teasing her.

The idea of a child being a blessing, regardless of the circumstances, is a foreign concept to me, so I can well understand how it might also be foreign to Lee. It's very hard, if you yourself were unwanted, to fathom anybody wanting a child. If you were resented and brought up grudgingly, and always felt guilty and in debt for existing at all, then you might have a very tough time believing it's possible for anyone to love a child unconditionally. And if you finally do realize that in fact people are supposed to do just that, it can send you into a tailspin, make you insane, to finally understand that children are suposed to be loved and cherished, not resented and used.

Because how do you make sense of the idea that other kids were wanted and loved, and you weren't? Tough to do, without losing your mind.

And even supposing you've made peace with all that, if your sister's anything like Casey you might still find the idea of her becoming a mother very upsetting. Lee might actually be thinking, "I told you so," even though he's not saying it. There's something in his tone talking to the police that says he never expected anything else of Casey. JMO.
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« Reply #395 on: December 22, 2008, 02:22:44 AM »

I thought Casey did this intentionally out of anger due to the fight on the 15th but I can't seem to get a time line with that worked out in my head. It sounded like they had a big fight and Casey left. Did she take Caylee? Some say she was pacing in a hotel parking lot, but that has not been confirmed.

Did this happen on the night of the 15th and if so where? Why did the dogs hit in the back yard?

Or was there a swimming pool accident on the 16th, and Casey tried to cover it up with the duct tape and kidnapping story?

I guess I am just wishing it was an accident and that somehow the chlorine showed up as chloroform in the tests.....

Anybody have any of this worked out?   
according to the Enquirer, ( dont laugh) just trying to give a view or something to think about....
        Caylee was last seen at 12:30 on June16, her and caylee left telling George she was taking Caylee to the babysitter and then going to work.      George left for work at 2:30pm and Casey waited for him to leave and thenm came back home!     By 4pm Casey had murdered Caylee,,,,AT 4:11pm  Casey started her frantic calling to Cindy George and Jessie, with noone answering her calls...    Giving up on caslling she placed caylee in the trunk and went to meet Tony...    Two days later she went back to her home, backed into the Garage and borrowed the shovel, she layed Caylee on the ground by the playhouse and was gonna burie her but soon found out that the ground had too many bamboo roots.   She placed Caylee in the garbage bag and taped it shut with the tape and returned her to the trunk, After driving around and trying to figure out what to do, she put her in the woods where she was found.................Just a scenario with little more news then we already know, but just something to think about....is it really this way, I dont know!
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« Reply #396 on: December 22, 2008, 02:27:12 AM »

I thought Casey did this intentionally out of anger due to the fight on the 15th but I can't seem to get a time line with that worked out in my head. It sounded like they had a big fight and Casey left. Did she take Caylee? Some say she was pacing in a hotel parking lot, but that has not been confirmed.

Did this happen on the night of the 15th and if so where? Why did the dogs hit in the back yard?

Or was there a swimming pool accident on the 16th, and Casey tried to cover it up with the duct tape and kidnapping story?

I guess I am just wishing it was an accident and that somehow the chlorine showed up as chloroform in the tests.....

Anybody have any of this worked out?   
according to the Enquirer, ( dont laugh) just trying to give a view or something to think about....
        Caylee was last seen at 12:30 on June16, her and caylee left telling George she was taking Caylee to the babysitter and then going to work.      George left for work at 2:30pm and Casey waited for him to leave and thenm came back home!     By 4pm Casey had murdered Caylee,,,,AT 4:11pm  Casey started her frantic calling to Cindy George and Jessie, with noone answering her calls...    Giving up on caslling she placed caylee in the trunk and went to meet Tony...    Two days later she went back to her home, backed into the Garage and borrowed the shovel, she layed Caylee on the ground by the playhouse and was gonna burie her but soon found out that the ground had too many bamboo roots.   She placed Caylee in the garbage bag and taped it shut with the tape and returned her to the trunk, After driving around and trying to figure out what to do, she put her in the woods where she was found.................Just a scenario with little more news then we already know, but just something to think about....is it really this way, I dont know!

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« Reply #397 on: December 22, 2008, 02:34:21 AM »

Fuzzball -- I keep staring at your post and wondering what to say.

I truly hope you have found peace and unconditional love in your adult life.
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« Reply #398 on: December 22, 2008, 02:34:43 AM »

Wyks - what is your background?  If I may ask.  Do they know they are doing this and can it be stopped??

Social Work, I'm an LCSW, have worked mainly with abuse survivors.    

This is the kind of thing that can go either way, some are consciously aware of what they do, others may have some degree of awareness, while others haven't a clue.  I do believe the answer is in helping a person to become aware of what their belief systems and realities are, how it is or isn't helping them to function in healthy ways, and to make changes as needed to face life living one current reality. 

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« Reply #399 on: December 22, 2008, 02:41:34 AM »

I thought Casey did this intentionally out of anger due to the fight on the 15th but I can't seem to get a time line with that worked out in my head. It sounded like they had a big fight and Casey left. Did she take Caylee? Some say she was pacing in a hotel parking lot, but that has not been confirmed.

Did this happen on the night of the 15th and if so where? Why did the dogs hit in the back yard?

Or was there a swimming pool accident on the 16th, and Casey tried to cover it up with the duct tape and kidnapping story?

I guess I am just wishing it was an accident and that somehow the chlorine showed up as chloroform in the tests.....

Anybody have any of this worked out?   

You don't try to cover up an "accident" with duct tape and a fake kidnapping story. Sorry, but if Caylee drowned in the pool, there has to have been a reason why faking a kidnapping and disposing of her body, risking getting caught, was better than just dialing 911 and telling them it was an accident.

Offhand, I can think of several reasons, all of them hypothetical.

1) Caylee's system was full of drugs, and an autopsy would have shown that, making it into a felony murder.  Or her body had injuries that would have caused the death to be ruled as a felony murder, so Casey didn't want LE or her mother to ever find the body, at least until she'd found someone to frame for the death.

2) the house was full of drugs (or other illegal things,) that would have been discovered if Casey called 911. Unlikely, since the family seem to have called 911 all the time.  Cindy didn't hesitate to call 911 so I don't think 2 is valid.

3) It wasn't an accident of any kind--Casey drugged Caylee, drowned her in the pool, wrapped her in a towel and laid her on the ground while she thought about what to do with her. Finally she taped her, bagged her, and put her in the trunk of the car, decided to kill G&C, sell their house and leave for PR with the $, leaving Amy holding the bag, but Cindy got suspicious and called 911.

4) Caylee died of an overdose. Casey threw her in the pool to make it look like an accidental drowning, just like Padilla said, but realized there'd be no water in the lungs so she wrapped her in tape, bagged her, and drove around with her trying to find an opportunity to lose the body and frame someone else.
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