Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #81

[Wyks]

Maybe they need to stop listening to their PR folks and bury the baby. Public opinion might just sway a little in their favor. Not much, but a little.

I agree! 

And can you imagine how the A's delaying Caylee's burial must be grating on Casey?   There seems to have been such a power struggle between Cindy and Casey.  What Casey seems to have done with Caylee may have (in her own mind) put her in a one-up position over Cindy.  Having Caylee's remains handed over the A's and their delaying the funeral seems to be putting Cindy back in the one-up position over Casey.  Wonder what's next?   *getting whiplash, calling my chiropractor*     
 

So much power struggle with this crazy family. I have a question, since Casey is in jail who is in charge of the funeral? Casey or Geo/Cindy?

Not sure!  Seems to me that because LE notified C&G that the body was Caylee's about 15 minutes before Casey was notified, C&G may be considered as next of kin.  Seems to me that would allow for them, in the legal sense, to be in charge of the remains and the funeral, etc.   Just my opinion tho.

[always 1]

Hi Bearly, I tried to copy a picture of 2nJ from the Casey Anthony picture that Blonde made, and instead I ended up copying it to the same page.  I know.  Well, I cant fix everything with a broom.  Anywhoo, it is the one where Casey is smoking a cigar, but you thought she had a roll of life savers in her mouth.  She is drinking out of a glass that has shamrocks on it......

[Keepthefaith]

Responding to the Wid-chimes as a memorial!Wondeful idea...It would be absolutely amazing if all the Anthony's neighbors from the spot they found Caylee until you get to the Anthony's house put up wind-chimes in memorial of Caylee.With a few extra put right next door to the Anthony's.A continuous reminder for those POS...

I would hope they would put up the BIG LOUD windchimes that look like organ pipes. Just to p off the Ants.

If we have any Monkey's that do live in the area,and or know people in their neighborhood please pass along the message to have windchimes put anywhere and everywhere possible in the neighborhood that the Anthony's currently reside..TIA

Make sure the Anthony's know the understanding of the Wind-chimes.Send em to Baez,Luka,Lee,as well as Geraldo..THIS IS IN REMEMBRANCE OF CAYLEE.........

Kathy Belich would be a good person to give the message about windchimes. If just one neighbor put them up and called her. She could put the story on the news. I know she loves to get under Cindy's skin. 

Do we have any Monkey's who live,and or have friends in the Anthony's neighborhood?live close?I think it would be unbelievable beautiful to have Caylee taking through the Wind-chimes from the point where her physical being was located to the Anthony's home.I have a feeling the wind-chimes would give Caylee a wonderful platform!I think she'd have a lot to say and the Anthony's would have to hear her speaking quite often..

[Wyks]

wouldn't this be considered a conflict of interest?  cuz the attorney seems to be representing Lee for the donations for Caylee, as well as with possible criminal charges brought against him in the future regarding this case. 

It seems like it would be to me. My brother and I had to get my oldest brother off as executor of my mom's estate because he was mishandling stuff. We wanted to hire a lawer from the same firm to handle the case because my parents had used that firm for years and I was told we could not hire anyone from the firm...conflict of interest.

Yep!  Seems to me that an ethical attorney would be careful to handle things in the proper way, saves problems all around.  Hope you found a different good attorney from another firm that handled things well for you and your family. 

I'd be worried about hiring an attorney who doesn't seem to have good ethics right from the getgo, cuz lord only knows what they'd be capable of down the road.  Sadly enough, there seems to be plenty of folks out there who go out looking for the unethical type of attorney, perhaps having something in mind and know that this type of attorney wouldn't hesitate in helping them with that plan. 

It's odd to me that the A's seem to have surrounded themselves with folks who seem unethical, everyone not just attorneys.  Not sure if they did this on purpose or if it just seems to have turned out that way.    

You are a kind person Wyks. I believe they have been surrounded by unethical people because they are themselves unethical.

I guess the old saying is you are known by the company you keep.

Awww thanks joesamas mama, and so are you! 

You make some good points here, betcha this is exactly what happened.  More's the pity..

[Tamikosmom]

Hi Bearly, I tried to copy a picture of 2nJ from the Casey Anthony picture that Blonde made, and instead I ended up copying it to the same page.  I know.  Well, I cant fix everything with a broom.  Anywhoo, it is the one where Casey is smoking a cigar, but you thought she had a roll of life savers in her mouth.  She is drinking out of a glass that has shamrocks on it......

BT can.

 

Janet

[always 1]

Oh my gosh, Bearly, I meant of course a picture of Casey, NOT 2NJ (although I would like to see one)

[Kat_Gram]

I only stayed home once for one day because of the Natalee Holloway case.
That was years ago. It was that Dan Riehl's fault with his breaking news' stuff. They arrested a suspect ( G Van Cromivert ) and he kept teasing his readers with " information shortly " stuff.
There was no shortly and no information. But there I was at 5 am still waiting.
Someone will put the trial on You Tube, here, we had Carpe ( I miss him ) putting all of the NH stuff on for those that did not get or have time to sit there and look for any news.

.. I just did a Firefox install. My password to here went away, but I remembered it, so I am good. This system is only a few months old, I don't have years and years of places where I need a password. 
 

[joesamas mama]

luckycharmsprincess..... Thank-you for that, very interesting, when you look at some of Casey's friends, they seem like they would be able to manipulate easily. I would imagine she would not befriend anyone who was not. I keep going back to the Sawgrass Apts, I had never thought or probably did not want to think that Caylee was being used for child pornography, but after listening to Wendy Murphy, I just stood back and went, please don't let it be that. My husband after telling him of the compromising pics of Casey months ago, looked at me and pretty much said, I wonder if Caylee was being abused. I am one who is not sold on the choloraform angle of keeping Caylee quiet, for me that doesn't make a lot of sense since it doesn't knock you out for long. I certainly hope this is not the case, that Caylee had to go through this, but I will not be surprised if it turns out to be. I've mentioned before that I worried about Caylee being abused, because who knows some of the people Casey left her with, but pics or movies of Caylee didn't enter my mind until I heard Wendy Murphy discuss this.

Rose, I thought the same thing about abuse of Caylee. Not so much the child porn angle, but more that Casey would leave Caylee with just anyone. I heard Wendy Murphy last week on Dana's show, but I guess I didn't listen closely enough. Was it on that show that she said something about child porn? If not can you give me a hint where you heard it. TIA, tell Zoe hello!

[Tamikosmom]

Hi Bearly, I tried to copy a picture of 2nJ from the Casey Anthony picture that Blonde made, and instead I ended up copying it to the same page.  I know.  Well, I cant fix everything with a broom.  Anywhoo, it is the one where Casey is smoking a cigar, but you thought she had a roll of life savers in her mouth.  She is drinking out of a glass that has shamrocks on it......

BT can.

 

Janet

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[luckycharmsprincess]

luckycharmsprincess..... Thank-you for that, very interesting, when you look at some of Casey's friends, they seem like they would be able to manipulate easily. I would imagine she would not befriend anyone who was not. I keep going back to the Sawgrass Apts, I had never thought or probably did not want to think that Caylee was being used for child pornography, but after listening to Wendy Murphy, I just stood back and went, please don't let it be that. My husband after telling him of the compromising pics of Casey months ago, looked at me and pretty much said, I wonder if Caylee was being abused. I am one who is not sold on the choloraform angle of keeping Caylee quiet, for me that doesn't make a lot of sense since it doesn't knock you out for long. I certainly hope this is not the case, that Caylee had to go through this, but I will not be surprised if it turns out to be. I've mentioned before that I worried about Caylee being abused, because who knows some of the people Casey left her with, but pics or movies of Caylee didn't enter my mind until I heard Wendy Murphy discuss this.

Rose, I thought the same thing about abuse of Caylee. Not so much the child porn angle, but more that Casey would leave Caylee with just anyone. I heard Wendy Murphy last week on Dana's show, but I guess I didn't listen closely enough. Was it on that show that she said something about child porn? If not can you give me a hint where you heard it. TIA, tell Zoe hello!

Joesamas Mama,

Wendy Murphy was on Dana Pretzer's radio show either last week or the week before. Just look for her as one of the guests and it's around the 51-52 minute mark where she begins to speak. I believe you can get to it from this site, just under Dana Pretzer archives or previous shows. 

[no rose colored glasses]

luckycharmsprincess..... Thank-you for that, very interesting, when you look at some of Casey's friends, they seem like they would be able to manipulate easily. I would imagine she would not befriend anyone who was not. I keep going back to the Sawgrass Apts, I had never thought or probably did not want to think that Caylee was being used for child pornography, but after listening to Wendy Murphy, I just stood back and went, please don't let it be that. My husband after telling him of the compromising pics of Casey months ago, looked at me and pretty much said, I wonder if Caylee was being abused. I am one who is not sold on the choloraform angle of keeping Caylee quiet, for me that doesn't make a lot of sense since it doesn't knock you out for long. I certainly hope this is not the case, that Caylee had to go through this, but I will not be surprised if it turns out to be. I've mentioned before that I worried about Caylee being abused, because who knows some of the people Casey left her with, but pics or movies of Caylee didn't enter my mind until I heard Wendy Murphy discuss this.

Rose, I thought the same thing about abuse of Caylee. Not so much the child porn angle, but more that Casey would leave Caylee with just anyone. I heard Wendy Murphy last week on Dana's show, but I guess I didn't listen closely enough. Was it on that show that she said something about child porn? If not can you give me a hint where you heard it. TIA, tell Zoe hello!

Yes it was, evidently chloroform and xanax is used for this, I never knew that. One can just imagine who Casey all left Caylee with. Say hi to Joe.

[Wyks]

Does this site cause anyone else to get a sound like a single piano note repeated every second until I log out and reboot?

Try just refreshing the page.  That works for me.  It doesn't happen all the time, but some times.  I think it has something to do with the popup ads.  Sometimes I do freeze and have to reboot.  I am a Microsoft person, so I'm not changing to Foxfire.

Once you try Foxfire, you won't go back.   

  You are wrong.  I wouldn't have food on my table if it were not for Microsoft.  I could give all the arguments about IE is more popular that is the reason that why more hackers go after it, but most people don't listen.

We'll have to agree to disagree then.  Cuz this positive experience of yours is not the experience of mine and everyone else I've spoken with about it in the past.  Having a difference of opinion doesn't make one of us 'right' and one of us 'wrong'.  It's just looking at things differently, that's all.   

I can 2nd your post, Wyks. I had a REALLY slow dial-up until a couple of months ago, and if I had not discovered Firefox, I would have packed in the internet long ago except for a few necessities. IE was like living in the dark ages compared to my experience after finding and using Firefox.

I hear ya Jody!!  I suppose there are pros and cons with the different connections just as there are with the different browsers.  The fun is in discovering which of each has the most pros and the least cons.   Guess that goes with pretty much everything in life, eh?   

[joesamas mama]

Here is my understanding of the Casey Jesse thing:
They met, had sex.
No on going relationship ie dating from the time she met him until Caylee's birth. 
Then, she shows up at the Grund's door pregnant. Denies being pregnant.
Then, she sends Jesse a text message saying she's preggers , you're the Daddy.
Caylee is born.
Everyone acts as if Jesse is the Daddy. And the Grund family welcomes Casey into theirs.
The elder Grunds encourage Jesse to get the DNA test because Jesse didn't know Casey nine months previously. ( probably Richard could see where this might go, 18 - 20 years of child support and legal obligations towards a baby with the baby's mother being " a liar"   
The DNA tests take months.
In the meantime, Jesse falls in love with the baby and he will be the Daddy for all intents and purposes.
DNA is back, makes no difference to Jesse.
Casey starts seeing other guys, ( Richard Grund says it was obvious from her My Space, ) gets caught, relationship over. That was the deal breaker, not the DNA.
I think the timeline of how long she was with Jesse after Caylee's birth was about seven months. Caylee born August of 2005, the deal was off March of 2006.
..
When I think about this, I have to admire the Grunds for putting their reservations aside and standing by Jesse and Casey and Caylee. They loved the baby regardless of the fact it wasn't theirs.

I also believe Cindy had a lot to do with their breakup behind the scenes, there was no way Caylee was going to leave that house and be raised by Jesse. Cindy wanted control of Caylee, at least that is the way I see it.

Yep No Rose. And didn't Jesse say that when he and Casey were in her bedroom, George came home and threw a fit. She had a baby for goodness sakes. Why throw a fit cause they were on the bed with their clothes on. They couldn't stand Jesse or anyone else being with Caylee or Casey.

Not positive, but I thought it was Cindy who had a fit having caught the three of them in bed fully clothed. I remember thinking that when you live with your parents like a child and mooch off them, they have a right to make the "house rules," but that seems to have been the ONLY rule the A's ever made for Casey's conduct!

Thanks Jody, wasn't sure if it was George or Cindy. I just remember one of them getting mad and throwing a fit. I was under the impression they were mad at Jesse, not Casey. I don't believe Casey ever had any house rules. Thanks for clarifying it for me. It's all so confusing. 

I think, if I am remembering correctly, that it was Cindy who said she had a fit after catching them during one of the videotaped interviews with LE. And yes, she said that was one of the "house rules" that Casey couldn't entertain in her bedroom, but I believe you are correct, that she then proceeded to blame the incident on Jesse, not on Casey. She was in the process of leading up to blaming him or trying to blame him for Caylee's disappearance, saying the bedroom incident was one of the reasons she couldn't ever trust Jesse, etc.

I never watched her interview, I can't stand to hear her voice. So she blames Jesse for everything. THanks Jody

[Tamikosmom]

luckycharmsprincess..... Thank-you for that, very interesting, when you look at some of Casey's friends, they seem like they would be able to manipulate easily. I would imagine she would not befriend anyone who was not. I keep going back to the Sawgrass Apts, I had never thought or probably did not want to think that Caylee was being used for child pornography, but after listening to Wendy Murphy, I just stood back and went, please don't let it be that. My husband after telling him of the compromising pics of Casey months ago, looked at me and pretty much said, I wonder if Caylee was being abused. I am one who is not sold on the choloraform angle of keeping Caylee quiet, for me that doesn't make a lot of sense since it doesn't knock you out for long. I certainly hope this is not the case, that Caylee had to go through this, but I will not be surprised if it turns out to be. I've mentioned before that I worried about Caylee being abused, because who knows some of the people Casey left her with, but pics or movies of Caylee didn't enter my mind until I heard Wendy Murphy discuss this.

Rose, I thought the same thing about abuse of Caylee. Not so much the child porn angle, but more that Casey would leave Caylee with just anyone. I heard Wendy Murphy last week on Dana's show, but I guess I didn't listen closely enough. Was it on that show that she said something about child porn? If not can you give me a hint where you heard it. TIA, tell Zoe hello!

Joesamas Mama,

Wendy Murphy was on Dana Pretzer's radio show either last week or the week before. Just look for her as one of the guests and it's around the 51-52 minute mark where she begins to speak. I believe you can get to it from this site, just under Dana Pretzer archives or previous shows. 

The Dana Pretzer Show On Scared Monkeys Radio - Sunday, December 21, 2008 - Tonight’s Guests: ADA Robin Sax, Tim Miller of Texas EquuSearch, Victims’ Right Advocate Wendy Murphy and Author Diane Fanning
December 21st, 2008

http://scaredmonkeysradio.com/2008/12/21/the-dana-pretzer-show-on-scared-monkeys-radio-sunday-december-21-2008-tonight%e2%80%99s-guests-ada-robin-sax-tim-miller-of-texas-equusearch-victims%e2%80%99-right-advocate-wendy-murphy-and-au/

[joesamas mama]

Didn't I hear on NG that Casey signed the rights over to G & C after the second autopsy ?
The remains only went over to the funeral home Dec 23. Baez also won the right to have the pictues etc from the autopsy around the same date and the State had ten days to respond. I am making an assumption here that the hold up is the second autopsy and maybe the A's really don't have a date fixed as to when they get the remains for a service. The " experts " do not live in Florida and who knows what they think they have to do. Kathy Reichs is a forensic anthopologist and she said she was hired to do a forensic autopsy. Her role as I see it would be to determine date of death and along with the other " experts" to determine if the remains were found where they were tossed at the date of death. One of Baez's experts was a " bug guy ".       

Thanks KatGram, I don't have cable, so I don't watch NG. It seems to me, Christmas or not, they could get it done ASAP. Baez was crying to the State's Attorney about having to wait on stuff, even told him to be nice cause it is Christmas. Does anyone else remember that email from Baez or am I dreaming it?

Photos, X-Rays To Be Released To Defense

A judge on Tuesday ordered prosecutors to turn over photographs and X-rays of the remains of Caylee Anthony to the defense team of Casey Anthony.

Judge Stan Strickland granted the request, and Casey Anthony's attorney, Jose Baez, said those and other items, such as microscopic slides and autopsy reports, are needed so defense experts can conduct their own autopsy. Last week, the chief medical examiner in Orlando ruled the death a homicide, but said no actual cause could not be determined.

Baez, and a team of defense experts, went to the area where Caylee's remains were found last week but were not granted access to the site by the Orange County Sheriff's Office.

The judge ordered that the state hand over photographs and X-rays of the remains to the defense within 14 days.

"Time is of the essence in that there is a grieving family that merely wants closure, and as long as the second autopsy cannot be conducted properly, that can not happen," Baez wrote in the motion.

A testy e-mail exchange between Baez and the state attorney's office was also released.

"The items you speak of will be provided in discovery in due course. Why do you believe that 'time is of the essence?'" prosecutor Jeff Ashton wrote. "I am not aware of any exigent circumstances in this case."

"These items are needed for the second autopsy. Now Jeff, it's close to Christmas, be nice," Baez replied.

http://www.clickorlando.com/news/18342912/detail.html#-

Thanks Seeme, I'm not as crazy as I thought. 

[joesamas mama]

Hi Fuzzball I just saw this post this morning. I had horrible endometriosis, but at my age the insurance company made me go through 2 years of lupron shots, hormones, then another year of lupron shots and also 3 laporoscopys. I didn't want the hysterectomy so I could be sterilized. I wanted one so I could be pain free. When they finally did it, my doctor said they didn't realize how bad it was until the did the surgery. He was even trying to save one ovary, but he couldn't so I had a total hysterectomy at age 32.

The crazy lady with the pie filling begged him not to tell the husband, I don't know if he did or didn't.

I hope this makes sense.

My future DIL (fiance of my youngest son) is planning to have a hysterectomy after having their 2.5 children, as advised by the docs.  She's doing it to be pain free as well.  It's been a nightmare for her, every single month.  Docs don't want to do this anytime soon, because she's only 21 yrs old.  I cannot imagine living with that kind of pain, which could cause one to opt for such a drastic surgery, it must be unbearable. 

I'm sorry about your DIL Wyks, I know the horrible nightmare she is living with. I know that if she is 21, she will have a hard time finding a doctor who will do it at such a young age. I had to go through two painful hysterosalpinograms (sp) which tested my fallopian tubes and proved that I more than likely couldn't have children anyways. So, since she is young and evidently can have kids it may be harder to have a hyst done. I pray she can get the relief she needs.

Thanks joesamas mama, I'm sorry for the living nightmare that you had as well. 

She and my son still have a few years before they plan to marry, then plan to have a couple of kids.  After that is when she wants to have the hyst.  They are hoping to have twins right off the bat (and twins do run in both the families).  That way she's hoping she can have the surgery sooner.  But it's gonna be at least 4-5 yrs or so.  I just know what she goes thru each month, and am sorry that you've also experienced that level of pain. 

Hugs Wyks, I hope she has twins and then can get it done. It is a horrible thing to have to live through.

[Wyks]

My understanding is garnered thru NG. I do get Fox, but not the one with Greta. I would have to subscribe to some extra channels. When I had all the channels as a freebee when I got the digital box, I had + 400 channels and I found that I was not really interested in most of them, so I didn't subscribe. I have +100 now and it's the same thing, three channels. My Daughter was talking about getting whatever station the trial was going to be on and PVRing it. She watched the Bobby Cutts trial live on her computer, but she was at home being a stay at home at that time.
Think I might do the same thing, except the PVR unit is $ 500.00 right now, so I would just VCR it. Or some kind soul will have it on You Tube. I don't think my SIL would like me there every day taking over the tv. LOL. He just rolls his eyeballs up in his head if we ever talk about this case, so I do watch myself . But football is a good thing ! !       

   Of course, football is a good thing to my sons as well.  They could talk about that and watch it all day long.  But let me even begin to mention this case or any other that I follow online, and their eyes start doing this:     ahaha! 

[joesamas mama]

I only stayed home once for one day because of the Natalee Holloway case.
That was years ago. It was that Dan Riehl's fault with his breaking news' stuff. They arrested a suspect ( G Van Cromivert ) and he kept teasing his readers with " information shortly " stuff.
There was no shortly and no information. But there I was at 5 am still waiting.
Someone will put the trial on You Tube, here, we had Carpe ( I miss him ) putting all of the NH stuff on for those that did not get or have time to sit there and look for any news.

.. I just did a Firefox install. My password to here went away, but I remembered it, so I am good. This system is only a few months old, I don't have years and years of places where I need a password. 
 

I remember Carpe when I first started lurking on SM. Where is he, he made me laugh. I lose so much vacation time every year, so I will use it all up when the trial starts. LOL

[joesamas mama]

wouldn't this be considered a conflict of interest?  cuz the attorney seems to be representing Lee for the donations for Caylee, as well as with possible criminal charges brought against him in the future regarding this case. 

It seems like it would be to me. My brother and I had to get my oldest brother off as executor of my mom's estate because he was mishandling stuff. We wanted to hire a lawer from the same firm to handle the case because my parents had used that firm for years and I was told we could not hire anyone from the firm...conflict of interest.

Yep!  Seems to me that an ethical attorney would be careful to handle things in the proper way, saves problems all around.  Hope you found a different good attorney from another firm that handled things well for you and your family. 

I'd be worried about hiring an attorney who doesn't seem to have good ethics right from the getgo, cuz lord only knows what they'd be capable of down the road.  Sadly enough, there seems to be plenty of folks out there who go out looking for the unethical type of attorney, perhaps having something in mind and know that this type of attorney wouldn't hesitate in helping them with that plan. 

It's odd to me that the A's seem to have surrounded themselves with folks who seem unethical, everyone not just attorneys.  Not sure if they did this on purpose or if it just seems to have turned out that way.    

You are a kind person Wyks. I believe they have been surrounded by unethical people because they are themselves unethical.

I guess the old saying is you are known by the company you keep.

Awww thanks joesamas mama, and so are you! 

You make some good points here, betcha this is exactly what happened.  More's the pity..

Thanks, but most of my posts are the usual I hate the Anthonys. But I made a promise to myself and Klaas and Muffy to stay on topic in 2009. So I probably won't be posting too much come January. 

[joesamas mama]

luckycharmsprincess..... Thank-you for that, very interesting, when you look at some of Casey's friends, they seem like they would be able to manipulate easily. I would imagine she would not befriend anyone who was not. I keep going back to the Sawgrass Apts, I had never thought or probably did not want to think that Caylee was being used for child pornography, but after listening to Wendy Murphy, I just stood back and went, please don't let it be that. My husband after telling him of the compromising pics of Casey months ago, looked at me and pretty much said, I wonder if Caylee was being abused. I am one who is not sold on the choloraform angle of keeping Caylee quiet, for me that doesn't make a lot of sense since it doesn't knock you out for long. I certainly hope this is not the case, that Caylee had to go through this, but I will not be surprised if it turns out to be. I've mentioned before that I worried about Caylee being abused, because who knows some of the people Casey left her with, but pics or movies of Caylee didn't enter my mind until I heard Wendy Murphy discuss this.

Rose, I thought the same thing about abuse of Caylee. Not so much the child porn angle, but more that Casey would leave Caylee with just anyone. I heard Wendy Murphy last week on Dana's show, but I guess I didn't listen closely enough. Was it on that show that she said something about child porn? If not can you give me a hint where you heard it. TIA, tell Zoe hello!

Joesamas Mama,

Wendy Murphy was on Dana Pretzer's radio show either last week or the week before. Just look for her as one of the guests and it's around the 51-52 minute mark where she begins to speak. I believe you can get to it from this site, just under Dana Pretzer archives or previous shows. 

Thanks, I heard her on last week, but don't remember the pornography part. I will look it up!