Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #81

[da sparkenator]

Greetings my monkey friends!


I haven't been a member of this board very long, but I sure am glad I found this board and all the monkey friends on it!

I would like to speak to any of the monkeys that might feel a little lost or broken during the holidays.
 
I struggle during the holidays because of holidays past, both good and bad.  I finally realized, after being sober and cleaning up my life over the last couple of years, that I needed to recreate what the holidays mean to me.  It's a work in progress but for me I needed to stay away from all the commercialism and keep things simple.

And as a recovering alcoholic, I am very careful to limit the situations that I am in during the holidays.  (After all, I think there is dysfunction in most of our families.)  I always need to feel that it is ok to say "that's enough" and go spend some time alone or go to my meetings.

If you are a monkey or guest monkey struggling with this time of the year, I understand.  Please take care of yourself, especially if you are struggling with depression and or addiction.

If for any reason, the season turns you off because you don't believe in a higher power, ask yourself who made the glorious sky, the gentle rains, or the sun above.  Don't put a name on it, but whatever it is, find comfort in it through nature.

During this holiday season you are not alone.

To lighten this all up my friends, I have one more thing . .. something that has been mentioned here and there for the last few pages and always makes me smile . . .


POPCORN KITTY



I will see all of you soon, my friends!

Karen

I am very depressed.  Thanks, Spark...this helped.

PLEASE Don't be depressed, it will get better. Believe me. I wish I could help you. I'm not good with words, but believe me the monkeys helped me last Sunday when I was down. I'm glad I saw your post before I went to bed. Hugs to you. I understand.

I am doing well, especially with concern from Monkey friends. I also battle a chronic illness which has made me slow down and that's taking some getting used to.  It helps that I'm in a loving relationship and have started to learn how to be a true friend.   

I just love Joe's new pic!

Merry Christmas!

Karen

[da sparkenator]

MERRY CHRISTMAS TO ALL MONKEYS
I just returned from the dominican yesterday morning. We had to circle the airport for nearly 2 hrs before we could land, scary isn't the word for it. The trip to me was
a nitemare, my daughter spent the whole time on the beach drinking, she had very few meals with the rest of the family (6) in all. If we said anything at all to her it
would wind up in a confrontation, so that was useless. I was terrified she would miss
the flight home. I have tried to talk to her and it does no good. She needs help and
is in denial, I'm at my wits end and think I will just stay home to-day. I've thought about phoning A.A. but she would have to accept that and I don't think she would,
I guess I will phone them anyway and see what they say.
Well enough of my whining.
I hope every one has a wonderful Xmas and a great N.Y.'s and god bless all.

Mary - I may have some insight into this problem as a member of AA. I think you should call AlAnon - they are going to be able to help you know that you can do nothing to help her until she is beaten down to willingness. If you want to talk let me know  or email me at cindygillie@yahoo.com. Merry Xmas to all!

Mary, unfortunately, A.A. is a gift you have to want and it cannot just be given to those that need it!  I agree, AlAnon will help YOU survive.  Until you realize that you didn't cause it, you can't control it and you can't cure it, you will be in constant turmoil.  Believe it or not, some peace of mind is possible!

GG:  well said and so right on!  AA is not just for those who need it, it's for those that WANT it.  A person's personal bottom that brings them to realize they have a problem is different for every person.  Prayer for that person helps . . . and like you said, you need to realize you can't control it or cure it for the other person.

Alcohol:  cunning, powerful, baffling.

I have a brother that may be an alcoholic and he has to decide for himself.  He knows I am in the program but I am not the person to tell him . . . it's too hard coming from a family member.  But I would be open to talking to him about it if he is willing.  I treat him with kindness and the understanding that he has an illness and just hasn't found recovery yet.

I continue to pray for those in the grips of addiction . . . to include my friends that had gone back out and my brother, who doesn't realize he hash a problem.

Karen

[Brandi]

da sparkenator:

Nice to see you this Christmas night!

Hope your day went well.

I am heading out of the cage to watch a movie with my husband on the computer.

Have a great evening, all monkeys!!

Good night!

[FL Beagle Mom]

Very interesting.  So, if NeJame had continued to represent the A's, would this have been a conflict of interest?  Maybe not since ZG suite is against Casey.  

It's a lawyer's life: Orlando criminal defense attorney and nightclub owner Mark NeJame will open his new downtown night club Tabu to the public June 30.

Among his investors are fellow barristers Rick Troutman and John Morgan, as well as Logan Baker and Ciro Randzzo of EDO Group.

http://www.accessmylibrary.com/coms2/summary_0286-28086652_ITM

Merry Christmas Monkey's!   

Wow, I did not realize that John Morgan was part of Tabu ownership.  He throws a party every year for his friends and employees and it's huge.

Yesterday I saw a repeat episode of Extreme Forensics. The stepfather had killed his 2 kids Cody and India...and buried them in a cemetery area.  They were found 60 days after they died.  Anyway, they narrowed the date of death down by bugs!  The entomologist used different bugs to help him determine the date. He had a shirt on that said Maggot Power.    Made me think of the Caylee case here....it will be interesting to see what the entomologists have to say about Caylee.

Hudsunn, I hear ya on family. A year ago we moved from the Orlando area of FL to San Diego to help my husband's parents in their elderly age.  Well long story short, too much drama here with my sister in law (husband's sister) so we're packing now to move back to Orlando.  We miss the peace and quiet, which at times we thought was a dull life...can't wait for us to be bored again    It's good to have family, but good to get away too!

[da sparkenator]

da sparkenator:

Nice to see you this Christmas night!

Hope your day went well.

I am heading out of the cage to watch a movie with my husband on the computer.

Have a great evening, all monkeys!!

Good night!

Hey Brandi

Good to see you as well!  Have a great weekend. I also had a low key Christmas and it was different, but different ain't all that bad!

Karen

[crazybabyborg]

My heart goes out to all Monkeys with a struggle this Christmas, whether it be loss, temptation, or lonliness. It's a time of intensity of feelings, and many of us as a child experienced that intense joy of expectation, and when the Holidays fall so short of those vague feelings of what Christmas should feel like, it just makes things so much worse.

The passage of time can help. Talking to others can help. Helping others can help. Scared Monkeys can help. For me, God is my help.
Hang in there. {{HUGS}}

[da sparkenator]

My heart goes out to all Monkeys with a struggle this Christmas, whether it be loss, temptation, or lonliness. It's a time of intensity of feelings, and many of us as a child experienced that intense joy of expectation, and when the Holidays fall so short of those vague feelings of what Christmas should feel like, it just makes things so much worse.

The passage of time can help. Talking to others can help. Helping others can help. Scared Monkeys can help. For me, God is my help.
Hang in there. {{HUGS}}

Hugs to you, CBB!!!   

[Wyks]

A thought occured to me tonight, and I apologize if it's already been thunk up by someone else and discussed. 

Ok, the neighbor reported a loud argument with cursing, etc. at the A's on the night of Father's Day.  George told (Mark F was it?) that he was at work that night, not home until around 11 pm, that Cindy and Casey had a fight.  Didn't mention the choking part.  We've heard from Cindy's brother Rick (who supposedly heard it from Lee) that Cindy had her hands around Casey's neck, choking her.  We've heard the same thing from Padilla (who also supposedly heard it from Lee).  Supposedly somewhere in the documents, Lee says he heard it from Casey. 

Rick has reported that George has been violent in the past, with his own father.  We've certainly seen his temper on videos with the media, etc.  And we've seen Cindy's temper as well.  So I'm not denying that they have tempers.  Let's just set that fact aside for a minute, in thinking about a couple of other things. 

Computer searches back in March and again in May.  Self defense and neck breaking etc.  Cindy supposedly at work during the time of those searches, on the particular day/s.  Did she ever come home for lunch?  And George wasn't working, was possibly at home.  LE knows that the searches were made, yet do they know for sure that it definitely was Casey doing all of those searches?   Four Anthony's had access to that computer....

There supposedly is one or more pics of Cindy, early on, where it appears that there's bruising on or near her nose as well as she could have had both eyes blackened.  Anyone seen or have these pics?   Evidently the pic/s show what may have been a healing broken nose which could have caused black eyes. 

What if.... it was really Casey who had her hands around Cindy's neck and was choking HER?  Or maybe they were choking each other at some point?  I haven't seen or heard about pics of Casey with bruises, only Cindy.  What if during that fight Casey hauled off and slugged Cindy, breaking her nose?  Heck, that might make me want to choke someone if they did that to me.  Just because Rick and Padilla supposedly heard the story from Lee, who supposedly heard it from Casey, doesn't mean that Casey told Lee the truth about who had whose hands on whose neck.  Right? 

Could it be that one reason Cindy/George are lying, covering up for Casey etc is because maybe Casey has been violent in the past, and they were desperately trying to avoid it being found out what she was actually capable of?  Someone who could possibly slug her own mother and choke her?  Seems like a part of convincing the world their daughter was a saint.  gag me. 

Sooooooo.. what do y'all think?  If you need to throw nanners at me, tis ok, I'll make some nanner bread.   

[KCJackie]

Hey BG have you seen mm tonight?  She's probably out with Bob!   Hope you had a wonderful Christmas!

[Bud's Girl]

Hey BG have you seen mm tonight?  She's probably out with Bob!   Hope you had a wonderful Christmas!

Jackieeee ...  no, haven't seen her !  You still humming Christmas carols ??     

We had a great Christmas, and now everyone has scattered and it's totally quiet, I can read, how nice is that !
Hope you had a great one too !!   

[Wyks]

Greetings my monkey friends!


I haven't been a member of this board very long, but I sure am glad I found this board and all the monkey friends on it!

I would like to speak to any of the monkeys that might feel a little lost or broken during the holidays.
 
I struggle during the holidays because of holidays past, both good and bad.  I finally realized, after being sober and cleaning up my life over the last couple of years, that I needed to recreate what the holidays mean to me.  It's a work in progress but for me I needed to stay away from all the commercialism and keep things simple.

And as a recovering alcoholic, I am very careful to limit the situations that I am in during the holidays.  (After all, I think there is dysfunction in most of our families.)  I always need to feel that it is ok to say "that's enough" and go spend some time alone or go to my meetings.

If you are a monkey or guest monkey struggling with this time of the year, I understand.  Please take care of yourself, especially if you are struggling with depression and or addiction.

If for any reason, the season turns you off because you don't believe in a higher power, ask yourself who made the glorious sky, the gentle rains, or the sun above.  Don't put a name on it, but whatever it is, find comfort in it through nature.

During this holiday season you are not alone.

To lighten this all up my friends, I have one more thing . .. something that has been mentioned here and there for the last few pages and always makes me smile . . .


POPCORN KITTY



I will see all of you soon, my friends!

Karen

Thank you Karen.  What you've written here helped get me thru this day, and I appreciate the thought, concern and love that went into writing it.  Am thinking that you've helped more with this than maybe you'll ever realize.  Again, thank you.

[Kat_Gram]

My heart goes out to all Monkeys with a struggle this Christmas, whether it be loss, temptation, or lonliness. It's a time of intensity of feelings, and many of us as a child experienced that intense joy of expectation, and when the Holidays fall so short of those vague feelings of what Christmas should feel like, it just makes things so much worse.

The passage of time can help. Talking to others can help. Helping others can help. Scared Monkeys can help. For me, God is my help.
Hang in there. {{HUGS}}

I too read what others have said here about Christmas. I struggle at this time of year too
with what I call the Ghosts of Christmas Pasts, what might have been and what isn't today.
I was at my daughter's today with their two girls and their in-laws and my brother. Same thing last night different location. I was ok as long as I was around them as it is difficult to not be carried along with the happiness of two little girls. There were alot of laffs and some Kodak moments. I know that I spend way too much time wallowing around in the past during this festive season ( before my parents passed away in an ugly painful drawn out way from cancer ), but for some moments I did get a glimpse of something, some sort of grace.
One year, I did some volunteer cooking and serving at a mission earlier in the week of Christmas and I felt really good about Christmas that year. Probably because I was giving to strangers without any what's in it for me on my part. It was a humbling experience and it made me forget about myself. I have to make a plan for next year that includes something like that again. There just seemed to be something missing in me this year as far as Christmas Spirit.

[Bud's Girl]

<snipped>

What if.... it was really Casey who had her hands around Cindy's neck and was choking HER?  Or maybe they were choking each other at some point?  I haven't seen or heard about pics of Casey with bruises, only Cindy.  What if during that fight Casey hauled off and slugged Cindy, breaking her nose?  Heck, that might make me want to choke someone if they did that to me.  Just because Rick and Padilla supposedly heard the story from Lee, who supposedly heard it from Casey, doesn't mean that Casey told Lee the truth about who had whose hands on whose neck.  Right? 

Could it be that one reason Cindy/George are lying, covering up for Casey etc is because maybe Casey has been violent in the past, and they were desperately trying to avoid it being found out what she was actually capable of?  Someone who could possibly slug her own mother and choke her?  Seems like a part of convincing the world their daughter was a saint.  gag me. 

Sooooooo.. what do y'all think?  If you need to throw nanners at me, tis ok, I'll make some nanner bread.   

Wyks, I think that's very possible.   I grew up in a Leave it to Beaver household and once I was grown and on my own, finding out that kids assault their parents was a huge shock to me, but apparently it's not all that uncommon.  And parents almost always lie to cover up the sins of their children.  I bet Cindy wishes she could choke Lee for telling.  She must not have been around to squeeze his hand or leg as a warning.

[da sparkenator]

Greetings my monkey friends!


I haven't been a member of this board very long, but I sure am glad I found this board and all the monkey friends on it!

I would like to speak to any of the monkeys that might feel a little lost or broken during the holidays.
 
I struggle during the holidays because of holidays past, both good and bad.  I finally realized, after being sober and cleaning up my life over the last couple of years, that I needed to recreate what the holidays mean to me.  It's a work in progress but for me I needed to stay away from all the commercialism and keep things simple.

And as a recovering alcoholic, I am very careful to limit the situations that I am in during the holidays.  (After all, I think there is dysfunction in most of our families.)  I always need to feel that it is ok to say "that's enough" and go spend some time alone or go to my meetings.

If you are a monkey or guest monkey struggling with this time of the year, I understand.  Please take care of yourself, especially if you are struggling with depression and or addiction.

If for any reason, the season turns you off because you don't believe in a higher power, ask yourself who made the glorious sky, the gentle rains, or the sun above.  Don't put a name on it, but whatever it is, find comfort in it through nature.

During this holiday season you are not alone.

To lighten this all up my friends, I have one more thing . .. something that has been mentioned here and there for the last few pages and always makes me smile . . .


POPCORN KITTY



I will see all of you soon, my friends!

Karen

Thank you Karen.  What you've written here helped get me thru this day, and I appreciate the thought, concern and love that went into writing it.  Am thinking that you've helped more with this than maybe you'll ever realize.  Again, thank you.

Wyks, thanks for saying that.  That's what it's all about, helping each other, right?

In my previous not so healthy life I was all about having a facade of being ok and feeling lost and lonely inside.   Opening up a little and reaching out to others helps me and if it has helped just one person, that makes my day!

Karen

[Desdemona]

Very interesting.  So, if NeJame had continued to represent the A's, would this have been a conflict of interest?  Maybe not since ZG suite is against Casey.  

It's a lawyer's life: Orlando criminal defense attorney and nightclub owner Mark NeJame will open his new downtown night club Tabu to the public June 30.

Among his investors are fellow barristers Rick Troutman and John Morgan, as well as Logan Baker and Ciro Randzzo of EDO Group.

http://www.accessmylibrary.com/coms2/summary_0286-28086652_ITM

It is also interesting all these lawyers are investing in night clubs, almost like they don't have enough clients, and need the extra money.

Hi NoRose, thank you for posting this.

Interesting, too, in that (IIRC) Morgan's lawsuit on behalf of ZG was filed when Nejame was the A's attorney . . . Hmmm...  and Nejame has hinted since Caylee's body was found that he felt all along that Casey was responsible.  Thanks, that gave me something to think about.

[Wyks]

My heart goes out to all Monkeys with a struggle this Christmas, whether it be loss, temptation, or lonliness. It's a time of intensity of feelings, and many of us as a child experienced that intense joy of expectation, and when the Holidays fall so short of those vague feelings of what Christmas should feel like, it just makes things so much worse.

The passage of time can help. Talking to others can help. Helping others can help. Scared Monkeys can help. For me, God is my help.
Hang in there. {{HUGS}}

Thank you CBB.  I appreciate this, just as I do what Karen wrote. 

Mine is a huge loss, my 1st grandchild.  Not only huge for me, but even more so for my son.  We didn't lose her to death, but to adoption.  Five years ago today, my son (21 yrs at the time) had no other option but to sign away his parental rights.  (long story, suffice it to say that unless one is VERY wealthy, a bio-father and family doesn't have many rights up against a bio-mother and family who doesn't want the child).  Her choosing to sign those papers on Christmas Day just boggles my mind.  It broke my son's already shattered heart, and mine in watching and standing by him.  Today was not pleasant, yet we made it thru, with God's help. 

I appreciate knowing that there are others who are concerned for those whose heart is breaking during the holiday season, for whatever reason that might be. 
 

[Bearlyhere]

My heart goes out to all Monkeys with a struggle this Christmas, whether it be loss, temptation, or lonliness. It's a time of intensity of feelings, and many of us as a child experienced that intense joy of expectation, and when the Holidays fall so short of those vague feelings of what Christmas should feel like, it just makes things so much worse.

The passage of time can help. Talking to others can help. Helping others can help. Scared Monkeys can help. For me, God is my help.
Hang in there. {{HUGS}}

Thank you CBB.  I appreciate this, just as I do what Karen wrote. 

Mine is a huge loss, my 1st grandchild.  Not only huge for me, but even more so for my son.  We didn't lose her to death, but to adoption.  Five years ago today, my son (21 yrs at the time) had no other option but to sign away his parental rights.  (long story, suffice it to say that unless one is VERY wealthy, a bio-father and family doesn't have many rights up against a bio-mother and family who doesn't want the child).  Her choosing to sign those papers on Christmas Day just boggles my mind.  It broke my son's already shattered heart, and mine in watching and standing by him.  Today was not pleasant, yet we made it thru, with God's help. 

I appreciate knowing that there are others who are concerned for those whose heart is breaking during the holiday season, for whatever reason that might be. 
 

I"m so sorry, Wyks!   

[Desdemona]

Very interesting.  So, if NeJame had continued to represent the A's, would this have been a conflict of interest?  Maybe not since ZG suite is against Casey.  

It's a lawyer's life: Orlando criminal defense attorney and nightclub owner Mark NeJame will open his new downtown night club Tabu to the public June 30.

Among his investors are fellow barristers Rick Troutman and John Morgan, as well as Logan Baker and Ciro Randzzo of EDO Group.

http://www.accessmylibrary.com/coms2/summary_0286-28086652_ITM

It is also interesting all these lawyers are investing in night clubs, almost like they don't have enough clients, and need the extra money.

Hi NoRose, thank you for posting this.

Interesting, too, in that (IIRC) Morgan's lawsuit on behalf of ZG was filed when Nejame was the A's attorney . . . Hmmm...  and Nejame has hinted since Caylee's body was found that he felt all along that Casey was responsible.  Thanks, that gave me something to think about.

OOOOOps --- sorry for citing the wrong poster!  I need to just step away from the keyboard... holiday distractions and too much "eggnog" to post rationally...

(And Desdemona wisely goes back to just lurking ...)

[janetruth]

Greetings my monkey friends!


I haven't been a member of this board very long, but I sure am glad I found this board and all the monkey friends on it!

I would like to speak to any of the monkeys that might feel a little lost or broken during the holidays.
 
I struggle during the holidays because of holidays past, both good and bad.  I finally realized, after being sober and cleaning up my life over the last couple of years, that I needed to recreate what the holidays mean to me.  It's a work in progress but for me I needed to stay away from all the commercialism and keep things simple.

And as a recovering alcoholic, I am very careful to limit the situations that I am in during the holidays.  (After all, I think there is dysfunction in most of our families.)  I always need to feel that it is ok to say "that's enough" and go spend some time alone or go to my meetings.

If you are a monkey or guest monkey struggling with this time of the year, I understand.  Please take care of yourself, especially if you are struggling with depression and or addiction.

If for any reason, the season turns you off because you don't believe in a higher power, ask yourself who made the glorious sky, the gentle rains, or the sun above.  Don't put a name on it, but whatever it is, find comfort in it through nature.

During this holiday season you are not alone.

To lighten this all up my friends, I have one more thing . .. something that has been mentioned here and there for the last few pages and always makes me smile . . .


POPCORN KITTY



I will see all of you soon, my friends!

Karen

I am very depressed.  Thanks, Spark...this helped.

Oh Jane my heart goes out to you.  I know you lost your husband to suicide.  Write to me if you would like, my email is in my profile.

Hugs and kisses to you!

Karen

Thanks, Karen.  I am better today.  Someday I may learn to let go.

[Wyks]

<snipped>

What if.... it was really Casey who had her hands around Cindy's neck and was choking HER?  Or maybe they were choking each other at some point?  I haven't seen or heard about pics of Casey with bruises, only Cindy.  What if during that fight Casey hauled off and slugged Cindy, breaking her nose?  Heck, that might make me want to choke someone if they did that to me.  Just because Rick and Padilla supposedly heard the story from Lee, who supposedly heard it from Casey, doesn't mean that Casey told Lee the truth about who had whose hands on whose neck.  Right? 

Could it be that one reason Cindy/George are lying, covering up for Casey etc is because maybe Casey has been violent in the past, and they were desperately trying to avoid it being found out what she was actually capable of?  Someone who could possibly slug her own mother and choke her?  Seems like a part of convincing the world their daughter was a saint.  gag me. 

Sooooooo.. what do y'all think?  If you need to throw nanners at me, tis ok, I'll make some nanner bread.   

Wyks, I think that's very possible.   I grew up in a Leave it to Beaver household and once I was grown and on my own, finding out that kids assault their parents was a huge shock to me, but apparently it's not all that uncommon.  And parents almost always lie to cover up the sins of their children.  I bet Cindy wishes she could choke Lee for telling.  She must not have been around to squeeze his hand or leg as a warning.

Exactly!  It was a shock to me as well in finding how some kids treat their parents badly, and are allowed to!  I knew I didn't want to treat my kids the way I was treated, cuz I didn't want to be respected out of fear.  There are other ways to handle kids without making them afraid of us.  But I'd see these kids who were in the news or something, hear them, and think back... Never would I have even dared to speak back to my parents, let alone raise a hand to them.    

And yep, lol, bet Cindy was fuming that one may have gotten away from her.  She just can't always be around all of em 24/7 for that leg squeeze.