Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, Missing 6/16/08 Orlando FL (Remains Found) #83

[TURBOTHINK]

We all share the common belief that JB isn't the sharpest tack in the legal box but I can't believe he would allow anyone, other than another attorney to be present when KC was discussing anything about this case!!!  Client/Attorney privilege is just that....not client/PI privilege.  Could attorney incompetence be grounds for a mistrial???

I remember in the beginning discussing this. If an attorney says even one thing in front of a 3rd person, it's no longer privileged. So anything that JB may have discussed with the Ant family or even with a PI that he terminated months ago is not under the same umbrella of protection that he has with KC.

As for the mistrial, yes his imcompetence could be grounds for a mistrial. I really don't want that to happen! But then JB has other attorneys with him, so maybe this won't be the case.

If he were a public defender, there might be grounds for a mistrial over his incompetence, but he is a privately hired attorney and the client has the right to fire him at any time. In this state, mistrials are only granted for poor representation when a client used a court appointed attorney.

[JodyO]

Wyks,

I will keep you and your family in my thoughts and prayers. Thank goodness there are people like you in this world.

[Leroy]

We all share the common belief that JB isn't the sharpest tack in the legal box but I can't believe he would allow anyone, other than another attorney to be present when KC was discussing anything about this case!!!  Client/Attorney privilege is just that....not client/PI privilege.  Could attorney incompetence be grounds for a mistrial???

I remember in the beginning discussing this. If an attorney says even one thing in front of a 3rd person, it's no longer privileged. So anything that JB may have discussed with the Ant family or even with a PI that he terminated months ago is not under the same umbrella of protection that he has with KC.

As for the mistrial, yes his imcompetence could be grounds for a mistrial. I really don't want that to happen! But then JB has other attorneys with him, so maybe this won't be the case.

If he were a public defender, there might be grounds for a mistrial over his incompetence, but he is a privately hired attorney and the client has the right to fire him at any time. In this state, mistrials are only granted for poor representation when a client used a court appointed attorney.

That could be the best news I've heard so far.  I was concerned about that. 

[QuietMonkey]

Time to step out of the cage for awhile. Hubby is coming home early today, and I haven't got a thing done around here. I will probably check in now and again over the next couple of hours though, don't want to miss anything!! Be back in a little bit monkeys!!

  Go Monkeys!!!!!!!!! 

[Anninflorida]

If you haven't done anything wrong, why would you even ask for immunity from prosecution???  I hope and pray that LE doesn't play ball with them on this one.  IMO, LE should just sit tight and let them sweat this out a while longer.  Although I would love to see CA in a cell next to her daughter, I can only imagine what this waiting is doing to her. 

[Sea Searcher]

SS, where is our buddy, Bearly??

I don't know...I haven't seen her in a long time 
I'm hoping she's just having a really great holiday spending time with her nephew 

Bearly is busy.  A hot water heater broke and she is busy cleaning up (bailing water).  I told her not to worry about this place.   

Thanks Klaas...I do miss her

[trimmonthelake]

Interesting... On 12-9-08  L.P. said on NG quote"  don't ne surprised if Orange County or the FBI don't drop it on us that they have the body somewhere"
then the body is  discovered on 12-22-08.  Does anyone else find this kinda weird ??

Welcome MsJackie - yes I find it odd but in general I find LP odd. 

 

[Sea Searcher]

Time to step out of the cage for awhile. Hubby is coming home early today, and I haven't got a thing done around here. I will probably check in now and again over the next couple of hours though, don't want to miss anything!! Be back in a little bit monkeys!!

  Go Monkeys!!!!!!!!! 

  ooooohhhh, you're in big trouble now 

[TURBOTHINK]

We all share the common belief that JB isn't the sharpest tack in the legal box but I can't believe he would allow anyone, other than another attorney to be present when KC was discussing anything about this case!!!  Client/Attorney privilege is just that....not client/PI privilege.  Could attorney incompetence be grounds for a mistrial???

I remember in the beginning discussing this. If an attorney says even one thing in front of a 3rd person, it's no longer privileged. So anything that JB may have discussed with the Ant family or even with a PI that he terminated months ago is not under the same umbrella of protection that he has with KC.

As for the mistrial, yes his imcompetence could be grounds for a mistrial. I really don't want that to happen! But then JB has other attorneys with him, so maybe this won't be the case.

If he were a public defender, there might be grounds for a mistrial over his incompetence, but he is a privately hired attorney and the client has the right to fire him at any time. In this state, mistrials are only granted for poor representation when a client used a court appointed attorney.

That could be the best news I've heard so far.  I was concerned about that. 

I feel sure the reason it is set up that way is because everyone accused of a serious crime would go hire the cheapest, most incompetent attorney they could find and then keep asking for a mistrial time after time.

[Anninflorida]

LP said last night on NG that he's sure he will be called to testify on behalf of the prosecution.  I found that strange, as most of what he has to offer would be considered heresay...right??? 

[Sea Searcher]

It doesn't sound nuts at all. I don't know what to think anymore, but my gut is telling me this with the PI and the video, and the three calls the meter man made, then the stumbling upon the remains, this is not good, something very wrong happening with the defense, and Anthonys. All I hope is LE gets to the bottom of this, and soon.

I agree no rose, something is wrong about all of it! I'm really suspicious about alot of this stuff. Really I just don't know what to believe. I just don't think a video "proves" she wasn't there, just proves that it wasn't visible to the camera. But, I think it's very suspicious any PI's were out there filming that area, then the meter reader shows up 4mos later. This is not long after the defense gets the tips. Maybe they got the MR's name from the tips, and someone gave him an anonymous call saying "hey go check it out again" or something to that effect. I don't know, just taking a wild guess about that, but nothing is too strange in this case!!

I didn't hear that Baez picked up the cd of tips ????? or is this something else and I need to get my other hat 

[Hudsunn]

Wyks, I think there are far more sociopaths and psychopaths walking around that we ever imagine.  I am so sorry for your situation and hope that your son will get some help, if he can be helped, at this stage.  Your husband was one of the more obvious sociopaths.  There seem to be many who can hide their sick minds behind oceans of charm and persuasiveness.  But sooner or later, that lack of empathy for others will express itself.

It seems to me that Baez wanted the body to remain unfound forever if possible, but certainly until after the trial.  If there were no body, it would be harder to convict Casey of killing her, and they would have gone on saying that she was out there somewhere alive and needed to be brought home.  Finding the body presents problems for Baez all around.  I doubt he had anything to do with getting it found.  However, he may have known where it was and hoped it would remain unfound until he could get Casey acquitted.  If found after that, it would be too late because of double jeopardy.  I am sure they delighted in seeing the police chasing cell phone pings near the airport, etc.

Concerning Casey and her family, I really think that Casey wanted to see and talk to her family as long as it was useful to her, but now that they are of no real help to her, I doubt she cares whether she sees them or not.  I don't think she has any great love for her parents, though she may have some bond with Lee.  But since she told Tony Lee abused her, it does not seem she cares that much for him, either. 

I disagree with people who say that Cindy is not the boss of the family.  I think George and Lee cater to her and do what she says.  The only thing that might make them stand up for themselves is the possibility of charges against them. 

I cannot figure out what Cindy is thinking now.  If she has a grain of sense, she knows that Casey killed Caylee to spite her and to punish her.  If she loved Caylee as much as she seemed to, she must be seething with anger toward Casey now.  I would be.  If she is still trying to defend Casey, it must be because there are family secrets that bind them all. 

She sure is keeping a low profile and that is not her nature.  She usually runs to a camera and starts talking ninety miles a minute whenever something happens in the case.  Maybe she is embarrassed about claming Caylee was alive all this time.  Maybe she fears some sort of prosecution of her for misleading police or for outright lying to them.  Maybe she is grieving and just cannot face the world.  Maybe she is afraid that something she says may cause Casey to accuse her or George or Lee of something.  Casey and Baez may well try to throw the others under the bus somehow, by claiming abuse or by suggesting they helped her in some way. 

Casey is spiteful and beligerant.  She will not want to see her parents and brother out making money, going on tv, and living their lives while she is locked up.  And if Cindy starts to praise Caylee, talk about how much she loved Caylee, have a memorial to Caylee, etc., it may anger a jealous Casey.

BTW, when are they going to bury that dear child?

[Puzzler]

<SNIP>
Let`s go out to Drew Petrimoulx, reporter, WDBO radio. What do we know about that? Was the video taken at the direction of the defense, at least private investigator?

DREW PETRIMOULX, WDBO: Well, it`s kind of a strange story because at that time, James Hoover wasn`t working for the defense, but Dominic Casey was. And when they went out to that wooded area, Dominic Casey says he was going out there for process of elimination to eliminate that area. He said that James Hoover came with him and was videotaping.

<snipped>

So now he comes out with the video and says that he took it of that exact spot and there was no body there. It`s kind of a strange story and has people -- even Dominic Casey, who works for the defense team, doesn`t exactly know how he has that video and why he didn`t hand it over to him, as he had asked.

WTF...this whole thing is wacky..and I haven't even got to Lenny's part yet  Dom. C "needed" that particular video? was he working for the A's at this time?? Does OSCO arrest people on New Years
eve  this could be a wild day.. 

(my bold/red)

Whoa! Thanks for posting this.  Yesterday, IIRC, it was said that D.Casey no longer worked for the defense in mid November, when this vid was supposedly made... Wonder what the truth will end up being?

"Process of elimination, eh?"  How does this little "PI field trip" relate timewise to Baez's incredible attempt to get court permission to escort the Caseyopath on their own  private "search for" Caylee....?

Ya know, SS, a few key arrests would really get 2009 off to a great start!  (But then who would be left to attend that very private funeral service that's being planned..?)

I'm behind, as usual, in reading posts...so if this has been posted before, please forgive:

Last night on NG, Padilla said that neither of the PI's were working for the defense.  LP said that the November video taken of the scene is 600 yards off...that Rob Dick determined that the video of the scene they're talking about is NOT of the scene...it's 600 yards off...that's 1,800 feet.

LP also said that the reporting of the white bag in August by the meter reader, was supposed to be a finding of Caylee while Casey was in jail.  That there was a daisy chain of info from Casey to Lee to others (i.e., eventually to the meter reader) and it was set up to find the bag while Casey was in jail (therefore Casey supposedly would not be involved).  HA!!

According to LP, it all fell apart when LP got Casey out on bail, so the plans had to change.

Í'm not to sure how I feel about this part....but I do believe that the video was NOT of the actual scene...that's just defense blustering to taint the potential jurors...IMO

[Leroy]

We all share the common belief that JB isn't the sharpest tack in the legal box but I can't believe he would allow anyone, other than another attorney to be present when KC was discussing anything about this case!!!  Client/Attorney privilege is just that....not client/PI privilege.  Could attorney incompetence be grounds for a mistrial???

I remember in the beginning discussing this. If an attorney says even one thing in front of a 3rd person, it's no longer privileged. So anything that JB may have discussed with the Ant family or even with a PI that he terminated months ago is not under the same umbrella of protection that he has with KC.

As for the mistrial, yes his imcompetence could be grounds for a mistrial. I really don't want that to happen! But then JB has other attorneys with him, so maybe this won't be the case.

If he were a public defender, there might be grounds for a mistrial over his incompetence, but he is a privately hired attorney and the client has the right to fire him at any time. In this state, mistrials are only granted for poor representation when a client used a court appointed attorney.

That could be the best news I've heard so far.  I was concerned about that. 

I feel sure the reason it is set up that way is because everyone accused of a serious crime would go hire the cheapest, most incompetent attorney they could find and then keep asking for a mistrial time after time.

I for one would prefer the cheapest most imcompetent attorney over JB    

[seemeatthebeach]

From today's Palm Beach Post
http://www.palmbeachpost.com/localnews/content/local_news/epaper/2008/12/31/0101caylee.html

Lawyer: Caylee Anthony's grandparents need immunity

By Sarah Lundy

Sun Sentinel

Wednesday, December 31, 2008

ORLANDO — The lawyer for George and Cindy Anthony wants his clients to have immunity before they speak with prosecutors again about their daughter, Casey Anthony.
Immunity would ensure the couple could tell investigators everything they know without fear of prosecution, attorney Brad Conway said.
He doesn't think the Anthonys would say something that would land them in legal trouble, but he wants them protected.
The Anthonys did not ask him to request immunity, Conway said. No deal has been made yet, he said.
Casey Anthony, 22, is charged with first-degree murder in the death of her daughter, Caylee Marie.
Investigators are waiting until after Caylee's funeral before they approach the Anthonys again, Conway said.
Funeral arrangements have not been made.

The Anthony's make me ill!!!   They couldn't tell the truth for 6 months.....now they want immunity cause they know they're busted!

They certainly gave no help to Caylee, knowing Casey was an unfit mother....and she is now deceased!

I'm sorry but I would not give them immunity.....maybe lessen the jail time IF and only IF they told the whole truth!!

[JodyO]

LP said last night on NG that he's sure he will be called to testify on behalf of the prosecution.  I found that strange, as most of what he has to offer would be considered heresay...right??? 

Most likely, but if he can testify to his conversation with Hoover about the finding of the body, then he probably has just placed himself on that witness list that he wasn't on before.

[Anninflorida]

I just feel so sad because this entire case has become more about money and fame rather than justice for Caylee. The only people really concerned about finding justice for this precious little girl is LE. All of these "high profile" professionals are already counting the dollars they will reap from book deals, movie royalties and interviews.  I don't believe for one minute that any of them truly believe that KC is innocent and has been framed for the murder of her child.  By being a part of the defense team, they will have the inside scoop on the case and this information will be a very valuable asset for them.  I don't even believe they really care about KC.  IMO, they all know she's guilty and are just hopping on the publicity train in order to further their own careers.  How sad!!!

[Lovinlife]

Hudsunn, good to see you in the cage, I always enjoy reading your posts.

How do the Anthony's sleep at night?  Lots of medication, I'm thinkin'!

[TURBOTHINK]

Does anyone have any theories about the menus that Cindy and Casey talked about during the jailhouse conversations.  I am wondering if Cindy thought at that point that Casey had, or had planned on, giving Caylee away and that is why she thought the menus were for Caylee.  Casey seems to be trying to convince Cindy that they were for her and not Caylee.  It was strange.

I'm back Monkeys, did anyone miss me??

What menus are you talking about? When I hear menus, I think restaurant menus, but what would they have to do with giving Caylee away? When was there talk about these menus??
Help a lost monkey out here!!
 

It was in the July 25th part 2 of 2 conversation between George, Cindy and Casey. 

It was after they were talking about the trip to PR and then Casey's says - just like the menus you found at the house, that was my list, my stuff. 

I am thinking maybe at that point Cindy is leaning towards believing that Casey gave Caylee away to someone in PR or sold her.  I think she was thinking about the fight she and Casey had reportedly had before Casey left.  Was July 25 before the dogs hit on Casey's car trunk?

A menu is a record of a series of items. What we need to determine is what would KC have a "list" of that CA "found" which would be important. Is she telling CA to get rid of those papers?  Were there incriminating things about the family which KC had listed ?

[BooMonkey]

Yes, I also believe that Nejames was informed of certain defense plans and was both smart and ethical enough to realize he wanted no part of this plan.  Although the fame from this case would have been nice, it wasn't worth losing one's livelihood over. Of course, we will never know, as he cannot divulge any conversations between him and his clients.

I wonder if they told him they knew where the body was and he pulled out at that time. When was it he resigned?

I believe he is very ethical and found Baez's methods unethical and wanted no part of any of it.

He resigned on November 20th. I don't think if the Ants approached him on what is the possibility of a crime about to be committed he would keep that to himself. I believe the attorneys have to go to LE if they know a crime is going to be committed! No privileged applies.