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« Reply #340 on: December 31, 2008, 06:38:05 PM »

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Actually Mrskub started the forum in November and Destiny and ******* are moderators.  Going to say that's wrong too? 

And yes, I happen to know you,Capslock, Lala's, Yaps are members there as well and Johan and many others.
yes that is correct.  And  there are many others...  Not a big deal.

It is a big deal in the respect that Destiny and ******* are spreading lies about ME.  Other than that no.  It does make me wonder about people who choose to be a member of a forum where the moderators are known to lie.  But if that's your choice so be it. 

It is a major and I mean major deal to me when people start spreading lies about you.  That is when I know there is something wrong with that person.  I already knew about ******* and his temper.  He has issues.
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« Reply #341 on: December 31, 2008, 06:38:31 PM »

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wingnut, see this is what irks me...you tell half truths for your own agenda. He was gone for 2 months because he was on a ship in Egypt for crying out loud...why make it out to be anything more than it was?
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4328.180


John Silvetti was the project manager for the Egypt project that Kyle was sent on.
You know, that little company of his that merged with  THE DUTCH!

Kyle: “I did not feel the same and we had a major difference in opinion. He [John Silvetti] was the one who never pressed ALE to be completely open with us with the trap evidence. I would have forced them to. However, John was the one paying my invoices so I was forced to sit back and hope for the best.”


Will this make it easier for Silvetti to do business out of Aruba??

Also.From The research you've all done Kermit,Jen,wingnut do we know who owns the company Silvetti merged with??TIA

Silvetti himself does........now.  IIRC, it's part of his GeoLab companies.............I think there are 5 worldwide?  One is Dutch.
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« Reply #342 on: December 31, 2008, 06:39:56 PM »

Hi Mum!I'll be awaiting your post regarding me stirring the pot and what my reasoning is for??

Keepthefaith

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Youngest son and Dutch American wife are attending a family union in Seattle tomorrow ... you nic of the woods.  If the noise gets too loud ... please don't call the police.  Just drop in.  Those Dutch relatives know how to party without a drop of alcohol and ... they are very welcomingl.

Happy New Year

Janet

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« Reply #343 on: December 31, 2008, 06:40:19 PM »

I just don't understand why people like Mum and Lalas & idstlou and
all of the former posters here are so angry.
Anybody who reads all of this information should see the
truth to it.  They are nitpicking at the least little word.

Why are they so mad about it all?

I'll one up you with a question here.........

why are some at that site saying that JUG knew the MAIN goal of the Persistence for that trip was oil related?
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« Reply #344 on: December 31, 2008, 06:42:07 PM »

I just don't understand why people like Mum and Lalas & idstlou and
all of the former posters here are so angry.
Anybody who reads all of this information should see the
truth to it.  They are nitpicking at the least little word.

Why are they so mad about it all?

I'm not sure.

I try not to blindly believe anyone or anything. I'm not perfect and throughout this case I have been conned and I've been wrong about people.  That's exactly why I research for myself. 

That said from my research Capslock does live in Aruba.  Was Capslock sent to distract?  That I don't know. 

Kyle has had an attitude from the very beginning of his involvement with the Persistence search.  From all the information we have been provided by Kermit and verified by at least 5 other people, it appears that Kyle has obstructed justice and so has John Silvetti.

I have no choice but to "stand with the frog" on this.  Prove me and the frog wrong.
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« Reply #345 on: December 31, 2008, 06:44:55 PM »

I just don't understand why people like Mum and Lalas & idstlou and
all of the former posters here are so angry.
Anybody who reads all of this information should see the
truth to it.  They are nitpicking at the least little word.

Why are they so mad about it all?

I'm not sure.

I try not to blindly believe anyone or anything. I'm not perfect and throughout this case I have been conned and I've been wrong about people.  That's exactly why I research for myself. 

That said from my research Capslock does live in Aruba.  Was Capslock sent to distract?  That I don't know. 

Kyle has had an attitude from the very beginning of his involvement with the Persistence search.  From all the information we have been provided by Kermit and verified by at least 5 other people, it appears that Kyle has obstructed justice and so has John Silvetti.

I have no choice but to "stand with the frog" on this.  Prove me and the frog wrong.

klaas - I think I may have had an epiphany that could explain why caps was logged in here, and no one from Aruba was showing as here.

And this was before he had his hidey IP software, because he showed up here from Aruba after that.

I was unaware of the times Blonde was referring to, when Kermit began posting the things he did here.

I had been speaking of earlier this year, when we noticed it.
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« Reply #346 on: December 31, 2008, 06:45:17 PM »

Hi Mum!I'll be awaiting your post regarding me stirring the pot and what my reasoning is for??

Keepthefaith

Have you been baaaad ... veeeery veeeery baaaad?

 

Youngest son and Dutch American wife are attending a family union in Seattle tomorrow ... you nic of the woods.  If the noise gets too loud ... please don't call the police.  Just drop in.  Those Dutch relatives know how to party without a drop of alcohol and ... they are very welcomingl.

Happy New Year

Janet



  Couldn't tell ya.For some reason it coordinates with Nov 18th.Something must have happened on that date but i'm unaware of what!Maybe Joran in thailand?I don't know??Just a Monkey from Seattle that would like to see JUSTICE FOR NATALEE SERVED...If that's stirrin the pot i got both hands on the spoon! 

Hope all is well in the Fraser Valley?Gonna stay in and safe down in Washington..
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« Reply #347 on: December 31, 2008, 06:46:09 PM »

Kyle: I have not given anything to the FBI since the pictures and statements from Dec 29th

In his own words, proof that the images from the recovery on January 7th were NOT given to the FBI.


 
Kyle: I've talked with Peter Shouten numerous times back in February. He hasn't seen anything but knows about the blue fabrics. DeVries and Endemol was interested in purchasing the ROV footage and I was working between them, ABC, and CBS to strike a deal.

However, in February he was trying to sell them. 

 
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« Reply #348 on: December 31, 2008, 06:48:09 PM »

we know Kyle is working for StatoilHydro, AGR Drilling, Fugro Norway

Ormen Lange Excavation - North SeaOrmen Lange deep sea pipeline excavation monitoring with Oceaneering Magnum ROV and high-resolution multibeam sonar. StatoilHydro, AGR Drilling, Fugro Norway
Posted by Kyle Kingman at 4:43 PMhttp://geosolutions.blogspot.com/2008/07/ormen-lange-excavation-north-sea-norway.html

HIS FIRST STOP WHEN HE GOT TO OSLO WAS AT FUGRO NORWAY

I got off at Skoeyen (Skøyen) station, on the outskirts of Oslo, where I met up with Knut. He took me across the street from the train station to Fugro Norway headquarters

FUGRO IS IN AMSTERDAM - A DUTCH COMPANY
another Dutch connection.

FUGRO HAD DONE ALL THE MAPPING OF THE OCEAN FLOOR SO THAT HYDRO COULD DECIDE WHAT ROUTE TO TAKE THE PIPELINE

Fugro Survey has mapped 5000km of pipeline route alternatives from Norway's Ormen Lange field to shore under a frame agreement contract with Norsk Hydro. The surveys, off the west coast of Norway between Aalesund and Kristiansund, were over 10 likely routes in difficult topographic areas through many islands and shallow areas.

Fugro's survey vessel Geo Scanner used a Simrad EM1002 precision multibeam echo sounder to achieve optimum depth accuracy. A five-person onboard team processed and interpreted survey results and transmitted these ashore to enable Norsk Hydro to make key routing decisions as the surveys progressed. For more information, E-mail Phil Meaden, Fugro Survey Ltd, Aberdeen at pmeaden@fugrosurvey.co.uk
http://www.e-pageads.com/survey-marketplace/newsletter/newsletter20.html


ALTHOUGH HE HAD HAD JUST HAD A PHYSICAL THAT QUALIFIED HIM FOR WORKING IN THE THE NORTH SEA, HE NOW HAD TO GET ONE THAT QUALIFIED HIM FOR WORKING IN THE NORWEGIAN SECTION

Once there, I set my bags down and caught a taxi to the Reiseklinikken, where I met Dr. Hasle. Even though I just got a UKOOA physical that qualified me for the North Sea, I needed an addition to the physical that qualified me for the Norwegian sector of the North Sea
HE THEN FLEW TO KRISTIANSUND AND MET UP WITH THE SHIP THE ISLAND VALIANT
We boarded a small twin turbo-prop plane and flew a little over an hour north from Oslo to a town called Kristiansund
The boat is called the Island Valiant. It's a 296 ft (90.4m) long support vessel built in 2007

THE ISLAND VALIANT HAD BEEN CONTRACTED BY AGR SUBSEA TO CARRY OUT THE DEEP WATER EXCAVATION WORK
November 5, 2007

Seabrokers reports that Island Offshore's UT 787LCD Island Valiant has been contracted by AGR Subsea AS to carry out deep water excavation work on the Ormen Lange Southern Field Development Project in June next year.

KYLE'S ROLE INVOLVED DOING THE TWO WEAKEST OPERATIONAL AREAS HE HAS, WHICH THE CLIENT WAS WELL AWARE OF BEFORE THE JOB. HE IS USED TO BE VERY COMFORTABLE IN THE WORK HE DOES, HAVING A HIGH COMMAND OF EXPERTISE. BUT HERE HE'S COMPLETELY OUT OF HIS COMFORT ZONE AND OUT OF HIS EXPERTISE

My role is to take the pre installation data and calculate how much volume of material is to be removed and from where it should be removed, then once trenched, calculate how much material was removed so the installation can be conducted and evaluate the route This role involves large amounts of multi-beam sonar processing and AutoCAD work. This is the two weakest operational areas I have, which the client was well aware of before the job. However, within the first few days I got up to speed of where I needed to be and things are starting to get under control, but the pressure is certainly on. This project is stretching me, but I'm learning a lot.
I am used to being very comfortable in the work I do, having a high command over my expertise. Here, I am completely out of my comfort zone and out of my expertise.


ONE NIGHT A LOW-PROFILE WORK VESSEL WAS OPERATING WITHIN A MILE OF THEM, AND THE OFFSHORE PROJECT MANAGER, JOHN HAD TOLD HIM THERE RECENTLY 18 PEOPLE HAD DROWNED WHEN THE SAME BOAT SANK

Last night, a long low-profile work vessel was operating within a mile of our vessel.
The offshore project manager, John  told me that recently 18 people drowned on that same boat when it sank

AFTER FINISHING THE JOB, HE FLEW TO OSLO TO THE CLIENTS MAIN OFFICE

This Tuesday morning we completed the job in the North Sea and were headed for Ulsteinvik, Norway for demobilization. The client was ecstaticAfter flying to Oslo, I checked into the Thon Hotel, which is located near the city center and King’s palace, a popular tourist hotspot.I took the train to the client’s main office where I was greeted by several bosses who gathered together and looked at me, a “geo”, as if I were a lone unicornfew rows made office is located in Oslo Norway
FUGRO NORWAY MAIN OFFICE IS LOCATED IN OSLO

AFTER A BRIEF MEETING, A DUTCH AGENT NAMED MARK TOBE TELLS HIM HE IS IMMEDIATELY NEEDED IN CAIRO, AND THAT HIS FLIGHT LEAVES IN FIVE HOURS SHOULD HE ACCEPT


After a brief productive meeting Knut walks in and hands me a phone. It’s a Dutch agent named Mark Tobe. He tells me I’m needed immediately in Cairo and that a driver will be waiting for me when I land. My flight leaves in 5 hours, should I accepthe arrives in Cairo to do a job that he doesn't know who the client is, what the job is, or even if he will be staying in each up to all the nose is they were not afraid to pay him a high price to get him there

HE ARRIVES IN CAIRO TO DO A JOB THAT HE DOESN'T KNOW WHO THE CLIENT IS, WHAT THE JOB IS, OR EVEN IF HE WILL STAY IN EGYPT. ALL HE KNOWS IS THAT THEY WERE NOT AFRAID TO PAY HIM A HIGH PRICE TO GET HIM THERE.

I was contacted about 12 hours earlier in Norway by a Dutch agent who needed me in Cairo ASAP and they were not afraid to pay a high price to get me here. All I know is there was to be a driver waiting for me. I don’t know who the client is, what the job is, what I’m doing in Egypt, or if I will even be staying in Egypt. Hmm… how do I fill out my customs card?

HE SAYS HE IS WORKING ON A SHIP WHICH IS AN EX-RUSSIAN KGB SPY VESSEL CALLED THE NAVIGATOR



Now, add the crew of an ex-Russian KGB spy vessel named the “Navigator” to the list who once during a routine expedition came across an ancient submerged pyramid in the Mediterranean

WHICH APPEARS TO BE THE FUGRO NAVIGATOR
IT IS REGISTERED TO FUGRO CHINA, BUT IT LOOKS LIKE YOU MUST GO THROUGH THE NETHERLANDS BRANCH TO USE IT


Address : Wanchai, China
с/о Fugro Marine Services B.V.: Dillenburgsingel 69, P.O. Box 136, 2260 AC Leidschendam, Netherlands

Moored/Anchored. FUGRO NAVIGATOR, Cargo, Moored/Anchored, 0, 146, ABU QIR, 5/31/2008 9:00:00 AM, 08/06/2008 00:10 · Χάρτης ...

syros-*******.aegean.gr/ais/datasheet.aspx?datasource=SHIPS_ CURRENT&alpha=F&language=_GR&ord...



FUGRO SAE WERE LOOKING TO HIRE PEOPLE TO WORK ON THAT SHIP


FSAE are seeking to employ a two Hydrographic Survey Party Chiefs to manage our Geophysical Survey Vessel “Fugro Navigator”. The position is mainly vessel-based working back to back with opposite number either project by project or by rotation although office based pre project and project reporting work will be required. The Party Chief is the Company representative in the field and is responsible for ensuring that the project is completed in accordance with the procedures and Client specifications and within the confines of the contract. The Party Chief is also responsible for ensuring that the results are presented in a professional, timely, and efficient manner
http://www.fugro.be/jobs/jobdetails.asp?item=1183


HE WAS APPARENTLY THERE ANALIZING WORK THAT HAD ALREADY BEEN DONEAND APPEARS TO BE LOOKING FOR OBSTACLES ON THE OCEAN FLOOR

Hardly a few minutes into the analysis of hundreds of miles of sonar data, a rather unassuming wispy tendril of backscatter drew my attention. It wasn’t real, but rather an out of range return from something subtle lying just beyond the sonar’s range drawing me on to look furtherThinking I might find another wreck, I chased the subtle wisp of acoustic return and headed east on an adjacent discarded sonar lineThen, barely visible above the mud-line, the unassuming skeletal wooden frame of a large potentially-ancient wreck came into view I found an undiscovered shipwreck the day before In 60m of water, out of nowhere juts a perfectly geometric dome. Located immediately by its side, is a smaller second mound about 1/10th the size. The proportion of their sizes is perfect. The sides of the mounds are perfectly flat and uniform, like the sides of a pyramid.These two structures have an identical alignment as the great pyramids when adjusted for the difference in precessional variation through time


I’ve been in Cairo now for sixteen days and I’ve fallen into a steady rhythm of work, sleep, and repetition. The project’s back is broken and the end is in sight

We’ve come across a 160ft high submerged structure in over 200ft of water. If man-made, it would support intelligent antediluvian Neolithic civilization existed and thrived for potentially thousands of years before popular academic opinion would suggestIf it is a positive side, the structure will be left untouched

Although the effort will be viewed by most as successful, I will look back at it as partially repugnant and he moves on to another project in egypt
Once this project is completed, I will move on to a new one currently mobilizing near El Alamein, west of Alexandria, Egypt


#157 on: March 01, 2008, 10:52:05 PM observerQuote from: LegallyLex on March 01, 2008, 07:08:11 PM

Please do not take this as defeat. Please continue to try and raise the funds so that another boat with an ROV can come in and look at those targets. As of this date and time, it just cannot be the Persistence. And trust me when I say the Persistence and crew definitely wanted to be the ones to bring Natalee home to her family.
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2438.140

#13 on: July 11, 2008, 02:18:24 PM Destiny

Another tid-bit from Margaret W...when I brought up the Persistence...she said that she recieved no info about them leaving...nor any info regarding their investigation....whey she inquired as to what was going on the OM told her that the persistence was done...had left...and was *not* coming back...she would like some info proving otherwise...
Destiny
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=3045.msg398199#msg398199



THERE APPEARS TO BE AT LEAST 4 PROJECTS GEOLAB AND FUGRO HAD WORKED ON IN COMMON
Fugro Houston office

http://www.geolab.it/geolab_eng/geoLay_progetti.html
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HE HAS WORKED FOR FUGRO MIDEAST BEFORE

QA/QC Geophysical Engineer for project Falcon-2, Fugro Survey (Middle East) Alcatel and Flag telecoms. FO Submarine telecommunication network route survey, assessment, and reporting; cable route from Arabian Sea, to Muscat, Dubai, Abu Dhabi, Doha, Manama, Kuwait and other landings.





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« Reply #349 on: December 31, 2008, 06:49:32 PM »

I just don't understand why people like Mum and Lalas & idstlou and
all of the former posters here are so angry.
Anybody who reads all of this information should see the
truth to it.  They are nitpicking at the least little word.

Why are they so mad about it all?

I'll one up you with a question here.........

why are some at that site saying that JUG knew the MAIN goal of the Persistence for that trip was oil related?

WOW!  Poor Natalee.   Dave is sharing information with Mark Purcell
and Jug knew the Persistence search was oil related.  What's next?
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« Reply #350 on: December 31, 2008, 06:49:53 PM »


Thanks for all the support guys!  Not only for today, but also for the last 2.5 years.  None of you had to do this - and that you chose to...................well, it means the world to me!!
You are all fantastic people - with hearts of gold, that my faith and trust will forever be with!


We had to stand up for Kermit.

When a friends integrity is attacked and I know that friend only tells the truth that is when I speak up because it is the right thing to do.

I stand with the frog.

Thank you San.
You make me smile.
Not just because of what you just said, but because of your integrity and fearlessness.


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« Reply #351 on: December 31, 2008, 06:51:19 PM »

I just don't understand why people like Mum and Lalas & idstlou and
all of the former posters here are so angry.
Anybody who reads all of this information should see the
truth to it.  They are nitpicking at the least little word.

Why are they so mad about it all?

That's a great question Magnolia!Mum accused me of stirring the pot??Go figure huh...

Don't feel bad she accused me too of purposely not answering her posts since some date she had.
None of which was true.

Hope she can return and realize the mistake she made, so all can be forgiven.


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« Reply #352 on: December 31, 2008, 06:52:53 PM »

Hi Mum!I'll be awaiting your post regarding me stirring the pot and what my reasoning is for??

Keepthefaith

Have you been baaaad ... veeeery veeeery baaaad?

 

Youngest son and Dutch American wife are attending a family union in Seattle tomorrow ... you nic of the woods.  If the noise gets too loud ... please don't call the police.  Just drop in.  Those Dutch relatives know how to party without a drop of alcohol and ... they are very welcomingl.

Happy New Year

Janet



Janet, you and veggie have a blast and party down!
Happy New Year to you and your family, may they all be blessed.

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« Reply #353 on: December 31, 2008, 06:53:13 PM »

I just don't understand why people like Mum and Lalas & idstlou and
all of the former posters here are so angry.
Anybody who reads all of this information should see the
truth to it.  They are nitpicking at the least little word.

Why are they so mad about it all?

I'm not sure.

I try not to blindly believe anyone or anything. I'm not perfect and throughout this case I have been conned and I've been wrong about people.  That's exactly why I research for myself. 

That said from my research Capslock does live in Aruba.  Was Capslock sent to distract?  That I don't know. 

Kyle has had an attitude from the very beginning of his involvement with the Persistence search.  From all the information we have been provided by Kermit and verified by at least 5 other people, it appears that Kyle has obstructed justice and so has John Silvetti.

I have no choice but to "stand with the frog" on this.  Prove me and the frog wrong.

Klaas, I am so proud to hear you say you stand with the frog.
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Klassend is correct in that Dave has Mark Purcell checking out what Caps tells Dave.








And that, in and of itself, is horribly, horribly frightening!

Questions were posted back in February I think.  Who was the "leak".  IMO the leak is coming direct from Dave Holloway via Robin and Mark Purcell.  Sorry to say but that's how I feel.

the leak is coming via Kath and Caps to Dave to Mark. Case closed. Mark to ALE. ALE to Silvetti. Silvetti to Jossy.

what a tangled mess.

Janet said it best - the chance was most likely lost forever.
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« Reply #355 on: December 31, 2008, 06:54:46 PM »

I just don't understand why people like Mum and Lalas & idstlou and
all of the former posters here are so angry.
Anybody who reads all of this information should see the
truth to it.  They are nitpicking at the least little word.

Why are they so mad about it all?

I'm not sure.

I try not to blindly believe anyone or anything. I'm not perfect and throughout this case I have been conned and I've been wrong about people.  That's exactly why I research for myself. 

That said from my research Capslock does live in Aruba.  Was Capslock sent to distract?  That I don't know. 

Kyle has had an attitude from the very beginning of his involvement with the Persistence search.  From all the information we have been provided by Kermit and verified by at least 5 other people, it appears that Kyle has obstructed justice and so has John Silvetti.

I have no choice but to "stand with the frog" on this.  Prove me and the frog wrong.

well you know I live next door to you.
ROFLMAO!

All that dust you was a make'n too rearranging the foundation!

When I read that last night I really laughed.

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« Reply #356 on: December 31, 2008, 06:56:16 PM »

Caps uses several computers guys.

just a fyi

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« Reply #357 on: December 31, 2008, 06:56:30 PM »

Well, I'll tell ya -- I was completely bamboozled by Kyle. I have always thought the whole cage affair was hinky. In fact, I was so sure we weren't being told the truth (and that it was very obvious) that I thought we were being mis-lead by the family ON PURPOSE. I thought it was an agreement by the them and the FBI to try and ferrite out the perps. I was fine with that. Now it is clear the FBI and Family DID NOT KNOW EVERYTHING that transpired on Persistence. I'm livid.

 
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« Reply #358 on: December 31, 2008, 06:56:45 PM »

Kyle: I have not given anything to the FBI since the pictures and statements from Dec 29th

In his own words, proof that the images from the recovery on January 7th were NOT given to the FBI.


 
Kyle: I've talked with Peter Shouten numerous times back in February. He hasn't seen anything but knows about the blue fabrics. DeVries and Endemol was interested in purchasing the ROV footage and I was working between them, ABC, and CBS to strike a deal.

However, in February he was trying to sell them. 

 


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Kyle Kingman's own words at both the Natalee's Freebird's site and the Scared Monkey's site expose John S.'s betrayal of Natalee Holloway, her family and those who sacrificially donated to the the Persistance undertaking.

Considering that Kyle failed to immediately notify the FBI and family when he set foot on American soil regarding the second set of ROV images and .his concerns encompassing the John S/ALE connection ... it can only be assumed that somewhere along the way he had a change of heart and became a participant in the finale to the great Aruban coverup.

Happy New Year.

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« Reply #359 on: December 31, 2008, 06:57:30 PM »

Bleachedblack - you mean like Patrick van der Eem?

Not who I would guess.

Who would you guess?

I had a publishing co in mind, maybe Sijthoff ?
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