Natalee Case Discussion #788 12/31/08 - 1/01/09

[SS]

I just don't understand why people like Mum and Lalas & idstlou and
all of the former posters here are so angry.
Anybody who reads all of this information should see the
truth to it.  They are nitpicking at the least little word.

Why are they so mad about it all?

Hi Mags, Happy New Year!

I will stick my neck out and speak for myself and please don't look at this as a drive by.  The reason that I am no longer posting has absolutely nothing to do with what I think of the cage or Kyle.  I am no longer posting because I was attacked for asking a very sincere question a few weeks ago, and I sure didn't see anyone else trying to diffuse the attack.  I asked whether Freebirds was the site where Kyle had given Kermit his information.  I also asked why the other Freebirds had left Kermit to reveal all of this alone like a sacrificial lamb or a pinata.  Kermit even responded with a photograph of Lambchops.  One person in particular told me to go back to the forum where that question had originated.  Well, that question originated in my head and as a matter of fact, the question has now answered itself with the emergence of several Freebirds.  So, why was I attacked?  I know that many people on SM belong to additional forums, some of which are private.  Why am I being attacked because I am a member at C&G?  That doesn't mean that I am less of a member at SM.  I don't want to be told where I can participate and I don't want to be ridiculed or insulted because I belong to other forums.  I am not spewing lies about anyone or anything, although it is being said that C&G is doing this.  I have contributed a lot to SM and it has been a labor of love, but I guess I just don't feel comfortable now and I don't want to be attacked. I am so upset by what I see happening here at SM and I really do care about the other monkeys.

Hello SS and Happy New Year!I've been told today that i'm stirring the pot.Isn't asking questions how we get to the TRUTH??It's OK to agree to disagree.We are all Monkey's.

Thank you and Happy New Year to you also.  I recall  New Year's Eve in Seattle!!!

[texasmom]

Ummm, are these posts written by the same person?  The second post contains parts that are more literate than the first post.  Almost like the second post is written by someone who has a good grasp of the English language, but is purposely trying to disguise that.

I was thinking the same thing....IMO not written by CAPS.....I could never understand most of what he wrote and finally gave up trying

SunnyinTx,
I did receive a response, a definite no on posting the logic report; I think a no too on the dates.  I wasn't sure on that part so I sent another email and asked specifically about that but I haven't heard back.  

[wreck]

Ummm, are these posts written by the same person?  The second post contains parts that are more literate than the first post.  Almost like the second post is written by someone who has a good grasp of the English language, but is purposely trying to disguise that.

And THAT my friends is why I have had my own issues w/ Caps from the beginning. The mannerisms/typing/speech/etc. are never the same. I won't get into a huge spew over it, but I noticed it early on, mentioned it a couple of times...it bothers me .

Remeber the group early on  in 2005 that had about 5 people posting under "Bondia"  I think that was the name. Renfro was one of them.

Oh yes.  I remember that quite well.  At first I thought maybe someone had a personality disorder, but it became quite apparent there were multiple uses of that nic/identity.  Ewww...Renho

In the early days, I posted at RWV only. When a few of us would start to put 2 + 2 together about anything -- about 3 nics would come on and "talk to one another" until it was impossible to talk about the case. I am certain it was one person only talking.

[billb's daughter]

Ummm, are these posts written by the same person?  The second post contains parts that are more literate than the first post.  Almost like the second post is written by someone who has a good grasp of the English language, but is purposely trying to disguise that.

And THAT my friends is why I have had my own issues w/ Caps from the beginning. The mannerisms/typing/speech/etc. are never the same. I won't get into a huge spew over it, but I noticed it early on, mentioned it a couple of times...it bothers me .

Kermit said CAPS has many computers......maybe many CAPS?

[SunnyinTX]

Ummm, are these posts written by the same person?  The second post contains parts that are more literate than the first post.  Almost like the second post is written by someone who has a good grasp of the English language, but is purposely trying to disguise that.

And THAT my friends is why I have had my own issues w/ Caps from the beginning. The mannerisms/typing/speech/etc. are never the same. I won't get into a huge spew over it, but I noticed it early on, mentioned it a couple of times...it bothers me .

Remeber the group early on  in 2005 that had about 5 people posting under "Bondia"  I think that was the name. Renfro was one of them.

Yes then it ended up being only Renfro and that's when she was finally banned.  She went from being Bondia at SM to being Glenda at RU.

your fergot to RENHO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! last and final!!

[Lifesong]

Taken from last thread:

Sent to me by Natalee's Freebirds:

Please feel free (if you'd like) to post this at your board.
 
During the journey of the Persistence to Aruba, Kyle reached out and emailed with us.  During that time, one of the questions posed to him was regarding protocol if/when Natalee's remains were found.
 
Kyle's response was that he was unsure, but felt that would be settled before the search began.
 
The cautions were given to him about the lack of integrity on the part of Aruba's law enforcement, prosecutor's office, and its judiciary.
 
Contact with Kyle continued throughout the duration of the search by the Persistence.
 
Once back home, Kyle asked us for our help.  He was very concerned about the activities that transpired during their search - specifically surrounding the find of the fishing cage and its contents.  Kyle wanted our help in presenting this information in a factual way, to then be given to Natalee's family.
 
This was March 18, 2008.  At that time, Kyle assured us he had just recently sent the images from the Dec 30th and Jan 7th dives to the FBI, but had never received a response from them.
 
We later found that to be false.
 
Also at that time, Beth's brother saw the images Kyle had shared with us - but none of the detail he shared later.

We compiled the images Kyle presented us, along with his opinions and the facts surrounding the sequence of events regarding that fishing cage.  Kyle stated he would be getting in touch with Beth Holloway.
 
We later found out that never happened.

At this time, Kyle shared with us the broadcast networks he had approached in February, in an attempt to sell these images to the highest bidder.
 
This didn't concern us greatly at that time - as we were under the impression US law enforcement and Natalee's family had already been made aware of their find.
 
Approximately May 2008 Kyle began dodging questions for details (we had asked for names of Aruban police and divers to be included in our documentation of these events), hedging on moving forward with this, and then he completely disappeared from our board.
 
During that time, we learned Kyle had never contacted Beth, or Dave, or the FBI with this information.
 
We put our original plan into motion - that of presenting this information in a clear and concise manner, and we sent it to Beth Holloway.
 
Beth was disturbed, needed time to digest the information, and wanted to share it with someone she trusts.
 
When Tim Miller was returning to Aruba this past fall, Beth gave us permission to release this information publicly.
 
At that point, we gave it to John Kelly, Carmen Adams with the FBI, and got it ready for public consumption.
 
The next step was to publish this information at our blog.
 
One of our members felt we were betraying Kyle in doing so, contacted him, and he re-surfaced at our site with threats of litigation against us - stating this was his "intellectual property" and we could not use it.
 
That of course concerned us greatly - as none of us could afford to be sued.
 
He also stated at that time, Luis Shaefer had just recently sold the rights of the video of these images to a broadcast company for the purposes of a documentary.
 
We contacted legal counsel and were advised to keep our distance from any Persistence crew member, in the face of potential obstruction/accessory charges.
 
At this point, one of our members decided to brace for the possibility of civil litigation, resigned from our membership to protect it from same, and posted what he knows to be factual at SM.
 
Kyle did tell us human remains were found in that fish cage.
 
Kyle did tell us about John Silvetti's intent to open an office on the island of Aruba, to enable him ease in conducting business in South America, and Aruba.
 
Kyle also told us of John's absolute refusal to give that fish cage and its contents any credence - before even it was inspected on Jan 7th.
 
Kyle told us in no uncertain terms that Tim Miller and Dateline were abruptly removed from the Persistence on Dec 30, resulting in only Persistence crew being aboard between that date and the Jan 7 dive of the Arubans.
 
Nothing that was posted at SM by kermit was incorrect, out of context, or in any way false.
 
Regards,
 
Former Natalee's Freebirds Administrator
Natalee and her family deserve justice - and we will not let up until they have it!

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OMG, I just got home and found I am 1 1/2 threads behind.  Gambling in Tunica MS was worth the trip but now I have to read 1 1/2 threads to catch up.

Just to be clear: 

Tim Miller did not disembark the Persistence on December 30th at the request of Dave Holloway in order to chase down a lead in Nicaraqua. 

He was removed from the Persistence at the sole discretion of John Silvetti over a disagreement.

Have I got that right?

[billb's daughter]

we know Kyle is working for StatoilHydro, AGR Drilling, Fugro Norway

Ormen Lange Excavation - North SeaOrmen Lange deep sea pipeline excavation monitoring with Oceaneering Magnum ROV and high-resolution multibeam sonar. StatoilHydro, AGR Drilling, Fugro Norway
Posted by Kyle Kingman at 4:43 PMhttp://geosolutions.blogspot.com/2008/07/ormen-lange-excavation-north-sea-norway.html

HIS FIRST STOP WHEN HE GOT TO OSLO WAS AT FUGRO NORWAY

I got off at Skoeyen (Skøyen) station, on the outskirts of Oslo, where I met up with Knut. He took me across the street from the train station to Fugro Norway headquarters

FUGRO IS IN AMSTERDAM - A DUTCH COMPANY
another Dutch connection.

FUGRO HAD DONE ALL THE MAPPING OF THE OCEAN FLOOR SO THAT HYDRO COULD DECIDE WHAT ROUTE TO TAKE THE PIPELINE

Fugro Survey has mapped 5000km of pipeline route alternatives from Norway's Ormen Lange field to shore under a frame agreement contract with Norsk Hydro. The surveys, off the west coast of Norway between Aalesund and Kristiansund, were over 10 likely routes in difficult topographic areas through many islands and shallow areas.

Fugro's survey vessel Geo Scanner used a Simrad EM1002 precision multibeam echo sounder to achieve optimum depth accuracy. A five-person onboard team processed and interpreted survey results and transmitted these ashore to enable Norsk Hydro to make key routing decisions as the surveys progressed. For more information, E-mail Phil Meaden, Fugro Survey Ltd, Aberdeen at pmeaden@fugrosurvey.co.uk
http://www.e-pageads.com/survey-marketplace/newsletter/newsletter20.html


ALTHOUGH HE HAD HAD JUST HAD A PHYSICAL THAT QUALIFIED HIM FOR WORKING IN THE THE NORTH SEA, HE NOW HAD TO GET ONE THAT QUALIFIED HIM FOR WORKING IN THE NORWEGIAN SECTION

Once there, I set my bags down and caught a taxi to the Reiseklinikken, where I met Dr. Hasle. Even though I just got a UKOOA physical that qualified me for the North Sea, I needed an addition to the physical that qualified me for the Norwegian sector of the North Sea
HE THEN FLEW TO KRISTIANSUND AND MET UP WITH THE SHIP THE ISLAND VALIANT
We boarded a small twin turbo-prop plane and flew a little over an hour north from Oslo to a town called Kristiansund
The boat is called the Island Valiant. It's a 296 ft (90.4m) long support vessel built in 2007

THE ISLAND VALIANT HAD BEEN CONTRACTED BY AGR SUBSEA TO CARRY OUT THE DEEP WATER EXCAVATION WORK
November 5, 2007

Seabrokers reports that Island Offshore's UT 787LCD Island Valiant has been contracted by AGR Subsea AS to carry out deep water excavation work on the Ormen Lange Southern Field Development Project in June next year.

KYLE'S ROLE INVOLVED DOING THE TWO WEAKEST OPERATIONAL AREAS HE HAS, WHICH THE CLIENT WAS WELL AWARE OF BEFORE THE JOB. HE IS USED TO BE VERY COMFORTABLE IN THE WORK HE DOES, HAVING A HIGH COMMAND OF EXPERTISE. BUT HERE HE'S COMPLETELY OUT OF HIS COMFORT ZONE AND OUT OF HIS EXPERTISE

My role is to take the pre installation data and calculate how much volume of material is to be removed and from where it should be removed, then once trenched, calculate how much material was removed so the installation can be conducted and evaluate the route This role involves large amounts of multi-beam sonar processing and AutoCAD work. This is the two weakest operational areas I have, which the client was well aware of before the job. However, within the first few days I got up to speed of where I needed to be and things are starting to get under control, but the pressure is certainly on. This project is stretching me, but I'm learning a lot.
I am used to being very comfortable in the work I do, having a high command over my expertise. Here, I am completely out of my comfort zone and out of my expertise.


ONE NIGHT A LOW-PROFILE WORK VESSEL WAS OPERATING WITHIN A MILE OF THEM, AND THE OFFSHORE PROJECT MANAGER, JOHN HAD TOLD HIM THERE RECENTLY 18 PEOPLE HAD DROWNED WHEN THE SAME BOAT SANK

Last night, a long low-profile work vessel was operating within a mile of our vessel.
The offshore project manager, John  told me that recently 18 people drowned on that same boat when it sank

AFTER FINISHING THE JOB, HE FLEW TO OSLO TO THE CLIENTS MAIN OFFICE

This Tuesday morning we completed the job in the North Sea and were headed for Ulsteinvik, Norway for demobilization. The client was ecstaticAfter flying to Oslo, I checked into the Thon Hotel, which is located near the city center and King’s palace, a popular tourist hotspot.I took the train to the client’s main office where I was greeted by several bosses who gathered together and looked at me, a “geo”, as if I were a lone unicornfew rows made office is located in Oslo Norway
FUGRO NORWAY MAIN OFFICE IS LOCATED IN OSLO

AFTER A BRIEF MEETING, A DUTCH AGENT NAMED MARK TOBE TELLS HIM HE IS IMMEDIATELY NEEDED IN CAIRO, AND THAT HIS FLIGHT LEAVES IN FIVE HOURS SHOULD HE ACCEPT


After a brief productive meeting Knut walks in and hands me a phone. It’s a Dutch agent named Mark Tobe. He tells me I’m needed immediately in Cairo and that a driver will be waiting for me when I land. My flight leaves in 5 hours, should I accepthe arrives in Cairo to do a job that he doesn't know who the client is, what the job is, or even if he will be staying in each up to all the nose is they were not afraid to pay him a high price to get him there

HE ARRIVES IN CAIRO TO DO A JOB THAT HE DOESN'T KNOW WHO THE CLIENT IS, WHAT THE JOB IS, OR EVEN IF HE WILL STAY IN EGYPT. ALL HE KNOWS IS THAT THEY WERE NOT AFRAID TO PAY HIM A HIGH PRICE TO GET HIM THERE.

I was contacted about 12 hours earlier in Norway by a Dutch agent who needed me in Cairo ASAP and they were not afraid to pay a high price to get me here. All I know is there was to be a driver waiting for me. I don’t know who the client is, what the job is, what I’m doing in Egypt, or if I will even be staying in Egypt. Hmm… how do I fill out my customs card?

HE SAYS HE IS WORKING ON A SHIP WHICH IS AN EX-RUSSIAN KGB SPY VESSEL CALLED THE NAVIGATOR



Now, add the crew of an ex-Russian KGB spy vessel named the “Navigator” to the list who once during a routine expedition came across an ancient submerged pyramid in the Mediterranean

WHICH APPEARS TO BE THE FUGRO NAVIGATOR
IT IS REGISTERED TO FUGRO CHINA, BUT IT LOOKS LIKE YOU MUST GO THROUGH THE NETHERLANDS BRANCH TO USE IT

Address : Wanchai, China
с/о Fugro Marine Services B.V.: Dillenburgsingel 69, P.O. Box 136, 2260 AC Leidschendam, Netherlands

Moored/Anchored. FUGRO NAVIGATOR, Cargo, Moored/Anchored, 0, 146, ABU QIR, 5/31/2008 9:00:00 AM, 08/06/2008 00:10 · Χάρτης ...

syros-*******.aegean.gr/ais/datasheet.aspx?datasource=SHIPS_ CURRENT&alpha=F&language=_GR&ord...



FUGRO SAE WERE LOOKING TO HIRE PEOPLE TO WORK ON THAT SHIP


FSAE are seeking to employ a two Hydrographic Survey Party Chiefs to manage our Geophysical Survey Vessel “Fugro Navigator”. The position is mainly vessel-based working back to back with opposite number either project by project or by rotation although office based pre project and project reporting work will be required. The Party Chief is the Company representative in the field and is responsible for ensuring that the project is completed in accordance with the procedures and Client specifications and within the confines of the contract. The Party Chief is also responsible for ensuring that the results are presented in a professional, timely, and efficient manner
http://www.fugro.be/jobs/jobdetails.asp?item=1183


HE WAS APPARENTLY THERE ANALIZING WORK THAT HAD ALREADY BEEN DONEAND APPEARS TO BE LOOKING FOR OBSTACLES ON THE OCEAN FLOOR

Hardly a few minutes into the analysis of hundreds of miles of sonar data, a rather unassuming wispy tendril of backscatter drew my attention. It wasn’t real, but rather an out of range return from something subtle lying just beyond the sonar’s range drawing me on to look furtherThinking I might find another wreck, I chased the subtle wisp of acoustic return and headed east on an adjacent discarded sonar lineThen, barely visible above the mud-line, the unassuming skeletal wooden frame of a large potentially-ancient wreck came into view I found an undiscovered shipwreck the day before In 60m of water, out of nowhere juts a perfectly geometric dome. Located immediately by its side, is a smaller second mound about 1/10th the size. The proportion of their sizes is perfect. The sides of the mounds are perfectly flat and uniform, like the sides of a pyramid.These two structures have an identical alignment as the great pyramids when adjusted for the difference in precessional variation through time


I’ve been in Cairo now for sixteen days and I’ve fallen into a steady rhythm of work, sleep, and repetition. The project’s back is broken and the end is in sight

We’ve come across a 160ft high submerged structure in over 200ft of water. If man-made, it would support intelligent antediluvian Neolithic civilization existed and thrived for potentially thousands of years before popular academic opinion would suggestIf it is a positive side, the structure will be left untouched

Although the effort will be viewed by most as successful, I will look back at it as partially repugnant and he moves on to another project in egypt
Once this project is completed, I will move on to a new one currently mobilizing near El Alamein, west of Alexandria, Egypt


#157 on: March 01, 2008, 10:52:05 PM observerQuote from: LegallyLex on March 01, 2008, 07:08:11 PM

Please do not take this as defeat. Please continue to try and raise the funds so that another boat with an ROV can come in and look at those targets. As of this date and time, it just cannot be the Persistence. And trust me when I say the Persistence and crew definitely wanted to be the ones to bring Natalee home to her family.
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2438.140

#13 on: July 11, 2008, 02:18:24 PM Destiny

Another tid-bit from Margaret W...when I brought up the Persistence...she said that she recieved no info about them leaving...nor any info regarding their investigation....whey she inquired as to what was going on the OM told her that the persistence was done...had left...and was *not* coming back...she would like some info proving otherwise...
Destiny
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=3045.msg398199#msg398199



THERE APPEARS TO BE AT LEAST 4 PROJECTS GEOLAB AND FUGRO HAD WORKED ON IN COMMON
Fugro Houston office
http://www.geolab.it/geolab_eng/geoLay_progetti.html
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HE HAS WORKED FOR FUGRO MIDEAST BEFORE

QA/QC Geophysical Engineer for project Falcon-2, Fugro Survey (Middle East) Alcatel and Flag telecoms. FO Submarine telecommunication network route survey, assessment, and reporting; cable route from Arabian Sea, to Muscat, Dubai, Abu Dhabi, Doha, Manama, Kuwait and other landings.

Kermit, is it too much of a stretch to conclude/have strong suspicions that John S. and now kyle are reaping rewards for keeping silent and playing ball with the powers that be in aruba?

[SunnyinTX]

Ummm, are these posts written by the same person?  The second post contains parts that are more literate than the first post.  Almost like the second post is written by someone who has a good grasp of the English language, but is purposely trying to disguise that.

I was thinking the same thing....IMO not written by CAPS.....I could never understand most of what he wrote and finally gave up trying

SunnyinTx,
I did receive a response, a definite no on posting the logic report; I think a no too on the dates.  I wasn't sure on that part so I sent another email and asked specifically about that but I haven't heard back.  

Ok...and thanks!

[SS]

Texasmom - I already responded to SS, it would probably be best if you leave it at that.  I won't allow this to escalate. 

I know ******* and Destiny will do their best to stir people up to cause trouble here. 

Klaas -I have not been influenced by anyone to cause any kind of trouble here or anywhere else.  I have been quietly reading and I came across Magnolia's post.  I answered her post from my own perspective.  I don't understand why I am hearing that Destiny and ******* or C&G are behind my posts.  That sounds like I am not capable of making my own decisions or formulating my own thoughts.  I have no intention of debating TM at all and I never mentioned her name.  I have always enjoyed TM and I have enjoyed posting with her.  I have no idea why I have become her target.

[ospainter]

Ummm, are these posts written by the same person?  The second post contains parts that are more literate than the first post.  Almost like the second post is written by someone who has a good grasp of the English language, but is purposely trying to disguise that.

And THAT my friends is why I have had my own issues w/ Caps from the beginning. The mannerisms/typing/speech/etc. are never the same. I won't get into a huge spew over it, but I noticed it early on, mentioned it a couple of times...it bothers me .

Remeber the group early on  in 2005 that had about 5 people posting under "Bondia"  I think that was the name. Renfro was one of them.

HI Sunny,

grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr, yes I remember..all too well......

Happy New Year Everyone

OS

[Anna]

Kermit, is it too much of a stretch to conclude/have strong suspicions that John S. and now kyle are reaping rewards for keeping silent and playing ball with the powers that be in aruba?

Well, Kyle may not be when John Silvetti reads all the things Kyle was saying about him, lol.

 

[klaasend]

Texasmom - I already responded to SS, it would probably be best if you leave it at that.  I won't allow this to escalate. 

I know ******* and Destiny will do their best to stir people up to cause trouble here. 

Klaas -I have not been influenced by anyone to cause any kind of trouble here or anywhere else.  I have been quietly reading and I came across Magnolia's post.  I answered her post from my own perspective.  I don't understand why I am hearing that Destiny and ******* or C&G are behind my posts.  That sounds like I am not capable of making my own decisions or formulating my own thoughts.  I have no intention of debating TM at all and I never mentioned her name.  I have always enjoyed TM and I have enjoyed posting with her.  I have no idea why I have become her target.

You are not a target.  I did explain earlier tonight exactly why I have an issue with C&G and it has nothing to do with you. 

[Blue Moon]

I am only on page 21 of the last thread.  Thanks Jan for coming onboard.  I know I am missing lots here so it is important for me to keep reading.  thanks wingnut also.  Really I am in disbelief of what I am reading.  But Aruba MUST be made to own up to what has happened with Natalee.  I really don't know if that was her remains in the cage or not but the pressure has to be put on Aruba NOW to  answer this question.  It cannot go unasked any longer.  What about putting these pictures out to the media?

[San]

NONESUCHE, check your email.

[Keepthefaith]

I just don't understand why people like Mum and Lalas & idstlou and
all of the former posters here are so angry.
Anybody who reads all of this information should see the
truth to it.  They are nitpicking at the least little word.

Why are they so mad about it all?

Hi Mags, Happy New Year!

I will stick my neck out and speak for myself and please don't look at this as a drive by.  The reason that I am no longer posting has absolutely nothing to do with what I think of the cage or Kyle.  I am no longer posting because I was attacked for asking a very sincere question a few weeks ago, and I sure didn't see anyone else trying to diffuse the attack.  I asked whether Freebirds was the site where Kyle had given Kermit his information.  I also asked why the other Freebirds had left Kermit to reveal all of this alone like a sacrificial lamb or a pinata.  Kermit even responded with a photograph of Lambchops.  One person in particular told me to go back to the forum where that question had originated.  Well, that question originated in my head and as a matter of fact, the question has now answered itself with the emergence of several Freebirds.  So, why was I attacked?  I know that many people on SM belong to additional forums, some of which are private.  Why am I being attacked because I am a member at C&G?  That doesn't mean that I am less of a member at SM.  I don't want to be told where I can participate and I don't want to be ridiculed or insulted because I belong to other forums.  I am not spewing lies about anyone or anything, although it is being said that C&G is doing this.  I have contributed a lot to SM and it has been a labor of love, but I guess I just don't feel comfortable now and I don't want to be attacked. I am so upset by what I see happening here at SM and I really do care about the other monkeys.

Hello SS and Happy New Year!I've been told today that i'm stirring the pot.Isn't asking questions how we get to the TRUTH??It's OK to agree to disagree.We are all Monkey's.

Thank you and Happy New Year to you also.  I recall  New Year's Eve in Seattle!!!

People love the Space Needle Fireworks!Me.I stay in and safe!Been a rough year for our sports up here in Seattle but that's OK.I've been on SM for about a year but took some time off then jumped back on.People have to understand to agree to disagree from my standpoint.Me personally.I see things being brought to the light from posters and others don't like that!Why?Many different reasons i would think but don't know.I for one see a concerted effort to discredit Kermit,as well as the other Freebirds who've turned up to speak freely.That's what is special about SM for me is the openness.Private Forums!Not my thing.If other people want to be a part of that it's OK with me.I trust Klaas as well as the Mods here at SM.Again.Nice to see you and let the TRUTH be told.....

KEEPTHEFAITH

[klaasend]

Ummm, are these posts written by the same person?  The second post contains parts that are more literate than the first post.  Almost like the second post is written by someone who has a good grasp of the English language, but is purposely trying to disguise that.

And THAT my friends is why I have had my own issues w/ Caps from the beginning. The mannerisms/typing/speech/etc. are never the same. I won't get into a huge spew over it, but I noticed it early on, mentioned it a couple of times...it bothers me .

Remeber the group early on  in 2005 that had about 5 people posting under "Bondia"  I think that was the name. Renfro was one of them.

HI Sunny,

grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr, yes I remember..all too well......

Happy New Year Everyone

OS

Hi Os- Happy New Year!

[Artcolley]

Happy New Year, Everyone!

[texasmom]

Happy New Year OsPainter and Artcolley, good to see you both!!!! 

[texasmom]

Ummm, are these posts written by the same person?  The second post contains parts that are more literate than the first post.  Almost like the second post is written by someone who has a good grasp of the English language, but is purposely trying to disguise that.

And THAT my friends is why I have had my own issues w/ Caps from the beginning. The mannerisms/typing/speech/etc. are never the same. I won't get into a huge spew over it, but I noticed it early on, mentioned it a couple of times...it bothers me .

Kermit said CAPS has many computers......maybe many CAPS?

I'm wondering if that might be too billb. 

[SunnyinTX]

Ummm, are these posts written by the same person?  The second post contains parts that are more literate than the first post.  Almost like the second post is written by someone who has a good grasp of the English language, but is purposely trying to disguise that.

And THAT my friends is why I have had my own issues w/ Caps from the beginning. The mannerisms/typing/speech/etc. are never the same. I won't get into a huge spew over it, but I noticed it early on, mentioned it a couple of times...it bothers me .

Remeber the group early on  in 2005 that had about 5 people posting under "Bondia"  I think that was the name. Renfro was one of them.

HI Sunny,

grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr, yes I remember..all too well......

Happy New Year Everyone

OS

OS is is really good to see you!!  How are you doing??  I hate Renho............I know it's wrong to hate but it's the strongest word I can think of to describe how I feel about her