Natalee Case Discussion #788 12/31/08 - 1/01/09

[jen3560]

ldstlou wrote:
Tim Miller wasn't removed from anywhere...are you kidding me? You really think he would allow himself to be removed? He was following up a lead in Nicaragua.
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I'm sorry to say - yes he was.  Along with Dateline.

Dec 30th, Kyle and Tim Miller discussed this issue in detail, but they didn't know how to handle it.  Then Kyle took a nap.  When he got up, Tim and Dateline had been ejected from the boat.

ldstlou, I don't know what fairy tales Kyle and others are now telling you, but Kyle's posts (with IP, date and time) are in their original form from when he posted them.  This item was discussed over several posts.

The Nicarauga thing didn't happen for a few more days after that, IIRC.

I cannot comprehend why Lou does not read Kyle's own words on the this topic.

Is it possible that Kyle's supporters actually believe that his words the he posted on the Natalee's Freebird's forum and the Scared Monkey forum ... words that imply that Americans actually assisted in the finale' to the great Aruban coverup ... are going to become a non-issue?

Happy New Year Jen.  Happy New Year All.

Janet

Happy New Year Janet!!

It seems as if that's precisely what they're trying to see happen.

[nimrod]

Johan's post on the previous thread regarding the dive company from Rotterdam's analysis of the ROV pictures seems pretty convincing, but there has not been much discussion about it.  Does anyone else find their analysis  fairly convincing that there was no skull in the cage?  Maybe Kyle was scamming everyone and just trying to make money off selling the pics (which he knew were not a body) to the networks.  If that is true, that could be why he did not send the info to the family and the FBI.   Maybe the networks wouldn't buy the pics because they also new it was not a body.

Bingo!!

I've never seen one thing in that cage that looks like human remains to me.. I agree with you that "someone" could be trying to capitalize on a failed mission in the search for Natalee.

Well, what do you think this is?

I don't know what it is. Do you?

[jen3560]

I want to add one more thing to my above post:  IF this was remains in the cage.   This puts us back to the MAIN question:  If these were remains in the cage WERE they Natalee's remains?  If it is Natalee's remains THEN the Persistence's aided and abetted the Aruban government to cover it up.  Not the results Natalee's family were looking for and were promised by John Silvetti.  (JMO)   

Precisely the reason legal counsel advised us to steer clear of Persistence crew - and why we then immediately banned Kyle.

Once we discovered he had NEVER submitted any of this to the FBI - we knew that if we a) kept quiet and b) retained our association with him - that we, too, could be accessories after the fact.........................by doing nothing about it.

We rectified that.

[jen3560]

Kyle stated: "The Persistence had no divers on the 7th. Tim Trahan was our diver on the 30th-Dec, but he was out of the country at the time. The Aruban divers were on the police boat, dove from their boat, and returned to their boat.

Thankies Kerm!

I couldn't remember what Kyle had told us about where Trahan had gone.

[jen3560]

truthseeker,

this one is for you - regarding the discussion we were having the other day.

thanks to kerm for re-posting it!!


#926 on: December 03, 2008, 12:03:25 AM   SS
Speaking of Imelda's shoes brings a question to mind about Urine's shoes.  The pond witness saw him walking without one shoe.  Did he specify if Urine was missing a right shoe or a left shoe?  Supposedly there was a bloody shoe in Urine's closet that Paulass could have disposed of several days later.  Can we determine if it's a right shoe or a left shoe in the cage?  This could possibly clear up all of these shoes, especially since there are reports that one of Urine's shoes was also found in Monserat pond.http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4182.msg564821#msg564821

[Edward]

It looks to me as Caps and Simian and most likely Shango are the same person.. 
Like this person is some sort of forensics investigator that is giving leads or this person is not allowed to be directly involved..? Just shows up at crime scenes and has ears.?
So between what he/she hears at work and what she/he knows at the lab and what this person thinks of the island and its upper crust..?
Or Not.. 
 I do believe this person appears to practice or believe in Santeria... or knows it well.
That would mean they are probably not Dutch or Jewish or Lebanese or North American..
Could be Aruban and Could be South American or Could be Cuban too.
That is what I think.. 

 I have said since the beginning. It was probably hashed up at the Internet cafe between depecker and his brother hashish and all their cronies.  All of them computer geeks too..
This area of the world is where Internet Gambling was created.. Software engineers the plenty.. Young and Old.
 It could be anyone in that original group and or any number of them working together to create Shango and Simian..
Then comes Cap, and this appears to be one person.. misleading everyone..
 
But then to complicate matters more ... various other oddities compared to any other case..
1. Massive news coverage with many people watching.. which is what EVERYONE wants. Right ?
 Everyone benefits here weather ya like it or not.. Beth and Aruba in the Long run as positive attention or negative attention it is all attention in the end.. Like a friend told me he has no worries about travel to Aruba with his daughter, he said they are so freaked about another American girl harmed that the word is on the street, hands off! .. It appears to be true.. Not one more in 3 years.??

2. A lawsuit launched by a suspect against the richest woman in the world Oprah, going through Dr.Phil with a potential for millions in settlement.

3. We have Marcos..   From the very far out area.. Like Nicaragua..?
Which is located in nowhere Central? 
   I have personal friends in México. South America and The Virgin islands who live there full time.. They never see anything about Natalee Holloway in the news for 2 years.. Yet this guy E.Mails Dave.. and CALLS HIM and last but not lease MEETS TIM and a American Embassy person in the American embassy? WITH CAMERAS ROLLING !

4. Derives.. and all you have seen.. and the informant attacked in Aruba ..
Who attacked him ? what was there names? Then this informant is himself arrested and is still being held ?
What about this Thai human trafficking thing ? Where is the Victim ?
It is all for attention..

 5. How and why does this benefit JVDS loot ? He does not have to travel. He is Not a Wanted Man by anyone for any reason? Why Then is he where he is ?
Rumors of Male Prostitution? Rumors..
Taking classes in college on the subject of Human Trafficking? A training course? 
Father Paulus is behind the Major Deepak Dr.Phil lawsuit ? Waiting for Deepak to win ?
Are most of these individuals involved "not the news" lined up for what all of them think is going to be a very large payout ?
We do not have one victim .. If he was or is violent we should have a victim past present or future.. ? ..What a set up.. What and act ? Everything is a lie ? Everything..
There is a reason for this I am sure.. Where is the sociopathic killer ?

 That takes it far beyond some computer Geeks in the Internet cafe..  A world wide group conspires to keep one lone family from the truth of what happened to there daughter?
It is all about money.. They forgot about Natalee on 5-31-05 ?

Or is this about getting a American citizen case up against the world court in the Hague ?
Setting precedence and allowing the world court to have ultimate control over us ?
It is a DUTCH CONTROL thing.. ? They are having a phobia about it.. ?

Or is all this just keeping everyone looking away from ? well I have a whole list of names for various reasons.. one particular in Venezuela and Two possible on the fine island of Aruba..

Never the less I have no answers.. So I keep reading and Researching..
I do not think there has ever been a case like this in history.. 

[bastibro]

Johan's post on the previous thread regarding the dive company from Rotterdam's analysis of the ROV pictures seems pretty convincing, but there has not been much discussion about it.  Does anyone else find their analysis  fairly convincing that there was no skull in the cage?  Maybe Kyle was scamming everyone and just trying to make money off selling the pics (which he knew were not a body) to the networks.  If that is true, that could be why he did not send the info to the family and the FBI.   Maybe the networks wouldn't buy the pics because they also new it was not a body.

Bingo!!

I've never seen one thing in that cage that looks like human remains to me.. I agree with you that "someone" could be trying to capitalize on a failed mission in the search for Natalee.

Well, what do you think this is?

I don't know what it is. Do you?

I think it looks a lot like a human ischium . . 

[bastibro]

truthseeker,

this one is for you - regarding the discussion we were having the other day.

thanks to kerm for re-posting it!!


#926 on: December 03, 2008, 12:03:25 AM   SS
Speaking of Imelda's shoes brings a question to mind about Urine's shoes.  The pond witness saw him walking without one shoe.  Did he specify if Urine was missing a right shoe or a left shoe?  Supposedly there was a bloody shoe in Urine's closet that Paulass could have disposed of several days later.  Can we determine if it's a right shoe or a left shoe in the cage?  This could possibly clear up all of these shoes, especially since there are reports that one of Urine's shoes was also found in Monserat pond.http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4182.msg564821#msg564821

The witness, Mister Heerman noticed Urine missing his right shoe.

[truthseeker2]

truthseeker,

this one is for you - regarding the discussion we were having the other day.

thanks to kerm for re-posting it!!


#926 on: December 03, 2008, 12:03:25 AM   SS
Speaking of Imelda's shoes brings a question to mind about Urine's shoes.  The pond witness saw him walking without one shoe.  Did he specify if Urine was missing a right shoe or a left shoe?  Supposedly there was a bloody shoe in Urine's closet that Paulass could have disposed of several days later.  Can we determine if it's a right shoe or a left shoe in the cage?  This could possibly clear up all of these shoes, especially since there are reports that one of Urine's shoes was also found in Monserat pond.http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4182.msg564821#msg564821

Sorry, don't remember which dicussion.  What, specifically, were we discussing with regard to the shoes and/or the pond???

I am usually off researching other things and don't always keep track of all the discussions.

[Blue Moon]

Jen, did Kyle ever mention a shoe being in that cage?  I also saw where he watched a diver removing blue fabric from underneath sand.  Was that during the dec.30th or Jan. 7th dive?  Guess it is too much to ask if maybe Tim Trahan happened to get a little sample of that blue fabric?

[wreck]

If "Dateline" was also ejected on the 30th - perhaps they have a dog in this fight as well for fraud and breech of contract against the Persistence.

[Nut44x4]

Never any doubt in my mind that what was found in that trap were human remains. Natalee or not (I do think it was her), someone was in that cage/trap. No doubt ... right billb?   

[Keepthefaith]

If "Dateline" was also ejected on the 30th - perhaps they have a dog in this fight as well for fraud and breech of contract against the Persistence.

Would be interesting!Time will tell with Kyle and Silvetti.I'm still curious to hear what CapsLockWizard has to say.Been Lurkin quite a bit!

[wreck]

Never any doubt in my mind that what was found in that trap were human remains. Natalee or not (I do think it was her), someone was in that cage/trap. No doubt ... right billb?   

I do as well. If the "remains" were not Natalee -- there would be no reason to be secretive or cover-up.

[Keepthefaith]

Never any doubt in my mind that what was found in that trap were human remains. Natalee or not (I do think it was her), someone was in that cage/trap. No doubt ... right billb?   

I do agree Nut.Why would you bag stuff up from a cage out in the ocean if the stuff in it wasn't Human remains?After the first dive why would you even go back if there was nothing of importance in that cage?

[bleachedblack]

Never any doubt in my mind that what was found in that trap were human remains. Natalee or not (I do think it was her), someone was in that cage/trap. No doubt ... right billb?   

I agree....I stand with the Nut.

[texasmom]

Article about an accident, I think it is about Polis Commissioner Lambertus Krozendijk. 

http://www.24ora.com/content/view/6915/8/

Papiamentu translation:

diaranson nightfall was have one racha of accidente one behind another y at stone plat one comisario of police (krozendijk) owing to stay injury. the comisario was on his harley davidson y was envolvi in one accidente together cu one car of family. the comisario owing to stay enough injury y is interna in hospital. click read more for more imagen. come across

[Anna]

TxMom, Here that cabbage wouldn't cut it, too pale.  We have to have REAL greens as in turnip, collard, mustard or my personal fav a mixture of those three plus kale and spinach.  I like to think that will bring a mixture of denominations.

Speaking of collards, those Arubans really seem to love those, don't they, with so many collard houses!  Tee hee hee!

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[texasmom]

Never any doubt in my mind that what was found in that trap were human remains. Natalee or not (I do think it was her), someone was in that cage/trap. No doubt ... right billb?   

I do as well. If the "remains" were not Natalee -- there would be no reason to be secretive or cover-up.

I agree! 

[Anna]

If that would happen to be a policeman's service cap recovered in the trap, I can think of several reasons for keeping it quiet.  Even if not related to Natalee.  There are other shady dealings that go on there as well.