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truthseeker2
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Re: Natalee Case Discussion #788 12/31/08 -
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January 01, 2009, 07:51:11 PM »
Quote from: SS on January 01, 2009, 07:39:51 PM
I have had a very interesting thought, but maybe some of you might think I've lost it. Kermit said that she had IPs for Caps from Aruba, NY, and Paris. This seems unusual to me for someone who John Silvetti claimed was unemployed. Do you suppose that Caps could be some kind of an agent, like CIA or something?
So Caps had IP addresses from all of those locations? Did not know that. I don't spend that much time at the sitemeter.
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Re: Natalee Case Discussion #788 12/31/08 -
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Here you see the item I am calling a cap right under the chin of what would be the skull per Kyle's estimations.
But not important as it is only my opinion of what I see. I guess we can all see different things but I do think this is the item in the plastic bag. Now whether we saw ALL the evidence collected, we have no way of knowing but this does appear to me to be what was on the chest area and then is in the bag. Maybe there is another bag with something taken from the skirt area that we were not shown.
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Re: Natalee Case Discussion #788 12/31/08 -
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Quote from: wreck on January 01, 2009, 07:48:50 PM
Quote from: Kermit on January 01, 2009, 07:47:07 PM
Quote from: Keepthefaith on January 01, 2009, 07:41:58 PM
Quote from: Keepthefaith on January 01, 2009, 07:32:20 PM
Did the Freebirds come up with an opinion based on their research of how the cage,and or Natalee got out there.I think you started to touch on it Kermit but don't remember if it was followed up on.The Gottenbo's??
Bump
I think the FACES of EVIL document lays out the timeline, which was if I remember correctly used by the RV Persistence at some point.
refresh my memory on the "FOE" document, please
Here it is wreck:
http://nataleesfreebirds.blogspot.com/2007/10/in-face-of-evil-may-30-2005_19.html
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Re: Natalee Case Discussion #788 12/31/08 -
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Re: Natalee Case Discussion #788 12/31/08 -
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Quote from: truthseeker2 on January 01, 2009, 07:51:11 PM
Quote from: SS on January 01, 2009, 07:39:51 PM
I have had a very interesting thought, but maybe some of you might think I've lost it. Kermit said that she had IPs for Caps from Aruba, NY, and Paris. This seems unusual to me for someone who John Silvetti claimed was unemployed. Do you suppose that Caps could be some kind of an agent, like CIA or something?
So Caps had IP addresses from all of those locations? Did not know that. I don't spend that much time at the sitemeter.
He has different IPs, but he also uses more then one computer.
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Re: Natalee Case Discussion #788 12/31/08 -
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Quote from: jen3560 on January 01, 2009, 06:19:13 PM
Quote from: Kermit on January 01, 2009, 03:46:11 PM
Kyle stated: "
The Persistence had no divers on the 7th
.
Tim Trahan was our diver on the 30th-Dec, but he was out of the country at the time.
The Aruban divers were on the police boat, dove from their boat, and returned to their boat.
Thankies Kerm!
I couldn't remember what Kyle had told us about where Trahan had gone.
Also
Wed 09-Jan 1816 hrs
All Internet connectivity was lost for two days due to rough seas and equipment failure. The old adage "No news is good news" only applies on land. Offshore
, the 'Law of the Sea' rules and no news usually just means "lost contact". The seas were 6-8ft with the occasional 12+ft swell. The past two nights were spent conducting a bathymetry-only survey of the new grid. The new grid more than doubles the original search area. If completed, the total area thoroughly searched will be 80% the size of Aruba. Currently, the seas are calm relative to what we've been experiencing. The four digits posted on the echo-sounder is a reminder of the limits being put to the test.
Every body of water near land has its own unique character, temperament, and color. The nature of water is governed by the trio of land, sea, and sky. The sea surface reflects the sky, the water column contains the turbidity from the land, and the seabed stares upward through the water column as long as the water allows it to. However, as the seabed falls away into the abyss, the color is always the same dark navy blue. Staring into these deep and dark waters reminds me that this island is surrounded by the same water that flows throughout our entire world. On the surface, the expanse of the sea divides us. Looking deeper, it is really what connects us all. Perhaps the sea gives a reflection of human nature and not just the sky.
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Re: Natalee Case Discussion #788 12/31/08 -
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Re: Natalee Case Discussion #788 12/31/08 -
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Quote from: Rob on January 01, 2009, 07:57:03 PM
Yep, you were correct Rob.
Maybe winger can explain it.
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No Body...No Tourism aruba! Bring Natalee Home!
Re: Natalee Case Discussion #788 12/31/08 -
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Quote from: Kermit on January 01, 2009, 07:47:07 PM
Quote from: Keepthefaith on January 01, 2009, 07:41:58 PM
Quote from: Keepthefaith on January 01, 2009, 07:32:20 PM
Did the Freebirds come up with an opinion based on their research of how the cage,and or Natalee got out there.I think you started to touch on it Kermit but don't remember if it was followed up on.The Gottenbo's??
Bump
I think the FACES of EVIL document lays out the timeline, which was if I remember correctly used by the RV Persistence at some point.
Kermit...
Are you referring to the videos that were on SM?
http://scaredmonkeys.com/2007/10/18/natalee-holloway-in-the-face-of-evil-part-i/
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Re: Natalee Case Discussion #788 12/31/08 -
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Quote from: Kermit on January 01, 2009, 07:57:21 PM
Quote from: truthseeker2 on January 01, 2009, 07:51:11 PM
Quote from: SS on January 01, 2009, 07:39:51 PM
I have had a very interesting thought, but maybe some of you might think I've lost it. Kermit said that she had IPs for Caps from Aruba, NY, and Paris. This seems unusual to me for someone who John Silvetti claimed was unemployed. Do you suppose that Caps could be some kind of an agent, like CIA or something?
So Caps had IP addresses from all of those locations? Did not know that. I don't spend that much time at the sitemeter.
He has different IPs, but he also uses more then one computer.
Could he be some kind of a special agent?
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Re: Natalee Case Discussion #788 12/31/08 -
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Reply #930 on:
January 01, 2009, 08:03:08 PM »
Quote from: Kermit on January 01, 2009, 07:29:25 PM
Quote from: wingnut on January 01, 2009, 07:12:32 PM
Quote from: texasmom on January 01, 2009, 06:58:45 PM
Quote from: wreck on January 01, 2009, 06:50:07 PM
Quote from: Nut44x4 on January 01, 2009, 06:48:00 PM
Never any doubt in my mind that what was found in that trap were human remains. Natalee or not (I do think it was her),
someone
was in that cage/trap. No doubt ... right billb?
I do as well. If the "remains" were
not
Natalee -- there would be
no
reason to be secretive or cover-up.
I agree!
Kyle referred to the contents as REMAINS. Not once, not twice - but over and over and over.
oceanexploration
Re: Natalee Case Discussion #744 3/19 -
« Reply #363 on: March 20, 2008, 02:36:39 AM »
Kyle said:
"Human remains were found,
but the FBI was not and would not comment on the case. The FBI did not comment on the remains, but rather the fabric sample"
Oceanexploration: "
I never said there were no human remains"
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2668.msg360330#msg360330
Kyle: "I think it is highly unlikely and completely inconsistent with numerous testimonies and other evidence that the pond (or anything but
the ocean) contains Natalee's remains
« Reply #802 on: December 02, 2008, 05:16:26 PM »
Kyle said: “The portion of the discolored blue fabric was presumably on the bottom of the fabric. In my opinion this discoloration is not another type of fabric, but rather biological staining or discoloration from biological growth caused from a high organic carbon content and decay. Basically, during decay a biological mat will form around the organics
from remains.
This is what I believe it is on the bottom of the fabric.
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4182.msg564125;topicseen#msg564125
Kermit,
You were going to reveal something yesterday, I dont even remember what is was but did you do it? I dunno if I missed something or not. Do you know what I'm talking about?
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truthseeker2
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Re: Natalee Case Discussion #788 12/31/08 -
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Anna, How ironic would it be if there were human remains down there, no matter whose, and the Aruban dive team knew who they belonged to and threw a cap in there to make sure they could implicate any ALE who decided to tell about it?
Well, maybe that is not ironic some much as it is outrageous, but, like I said earlier....this is Aruba we are talking about.
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Re: Natalee Case Discussion #788 12/31/08 -
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Quote from: wingnut on January 01, 2009, 07:15:02 PM
What is the cap thing to which you are referring?
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Re: Natalee Case Discussion #788 12/31/08 -
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January 01, 2009, 08:03:43 PM »
Quote from: Kermit on January 01, 2009, 07:56:13 PM
Quote from: wreck on January 01, 2009, 07:48:50 PM
Quote from: Kermit on January 01, 2009, 07:47:07 PM
Quote from: Keepthefaith on January 01, 2009, 07:41:58 PM
Quote from: Keepthefaith on January 01, 2009, 07:32:20 PM
Did the Freebirds come up with an opinion based on their research of how the cage,and or Natalee got out there.I think you started to touch on it Kermit but don't remember if it was followed up on.The Gottenbo's??
Bump
I think the FACES of EVIL document lays out the timeline, which was if I remember correctly used by the RV Persistence at some point.
refresh my memory on the "FOE" document, please
Here it is wreck:
http://nataleesfreebirds.blogspot.com/2007/10/in-face-of-evil-may-30-2005_19.html
Thanks!
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Re: Natalee Case Discussion #788 12/31/08 -
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Quote from: Rob on January 01, 2009, 07:57:03 PM
Thanks Rob!
That's what I was looking for this afternoon!
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"I can look back over the past 10 years and there were no steps wasted, and there are no regrets,'' she said. "I did all I knew to do and I think that gives me greater peace now." "I've lived every parent's worst nightmare and I'm the parent that nobody wants to be," she said.
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Re: Natalee Case Discussion #788 12/31/08 -
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Reply #935 on:
January 01, 2009, 08:04:36 PM »
Quote from: blah on January 01, 2009, 08:03:08 PM
Quote from: Kermit on January 01, 2009, 07:29:25 PM
Quote from: wingnut on January 01, 2009, 07:12:32 PM
Quote from: texasmom on January 01, 2009, 06:58:45 PM
Quote from: wreck on January 01, 2009, 06:50:07 PM
Quote from: Nut44x4 on January 01, 2009, 06:48:00 PM
Never any doubt in my mind that what was found in that trap were human remains. Natalee or not (I do think it was her),
someone
was in that cage/trap. No doubt ... right billb?
I do as well. If the "remains" were
not
Natalee -- there would be
no
reason to be secretive or cover-up.
I agree!
Kyle referred to the contents as REMAINS. Not once, not twice - but over and over and over.
oceanexploration
Re: Natalee Case Discussion #744 3/19 -
« Reply #363 on: March 20, 2008, 02:36:39 AM »
Kyle said:
"Human remains were found,
but the FBI was not and would not comment on the case. The FBI did not comment on the remains, but rather the fabric sample"
Oceanexploration: "
I never said there were no human remains"
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2668.msg360330#msg360330
Kyle: "I think it is highly unlikely and completely inconsistent with numerous testimonies and other evidence that the pond (or anything but
the ocean) contains Natalee's remains
« Reply #802 on: December 02, 2008, 05:16:26 PM »
Kyle said: “The portion of the discolored blue fabric was presumably on the bottom of the fabric. In my opinion this discoloration is not another type of fabric, but rather biological staining or discoloration from biological growth caused from a high organic carbon content and decay. Basically, during decay a biological mat will form around the organics
from remains.
This is what I believe it is on the bottom of the fabric.
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4182.msg564125;topicseen#msg564125
Kermit,
You were going to reveal something yesterday, I dont even remember what is was but did you do it? I dunno if I missed something or not. Do you know what I'm talking about?
I believe it was in regards to ldstlou and Kyle's communication?
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Re: Natalee Case Discussion #788 12/31/08 -
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Reply #936 on:
January 01, 2009, 08:07:49 PM »
Quote from: SS on January 01, 2009, 08:01:04 PM
Quote from: Kermit on January 01, 2009, 07:57:21 PM
Quote from: truthseeker2 on January 01, 2009, 07:51:11 PM
Quote from: SS on January 01, 2009, 07:39:51 PM
I have had a very interesting thought, but maybe some of you might think I've lost it. Kermit said that she had IPs for Caps from Aruba, NY, and Paris. This seems unusual to me for someone who John Silvetti claimed was unemployed. Do you suppose that Caps could be some kind of an agent, like CIA or something?
So Caps had IP addresses from all of those locations? Did not know that. I don't spend that much time at the sitemeter.
He has different IPs, but he also uses more then one computer.
Could he be some kind of a special agent?
I guess anything is possible. Remember, there was a DEA agent there the very first day. I think we were told he was 'vacationing'. Who knows what we have down there, considering we have the FOB.
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Re: Natalee Case Discussion #788 12/31/08 -
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Reply #937 on:
January 01, 2009, 08:08:10 PM »
Quote from: blah on January 01, 2009, 08:03:08 PM
Quote from: Kermit on January 01, 2009, 07:29:25 PM
Quote from: wingnut on January 01, 2009, 07:12:32 PM
Quote from: texasmom on January 01, 2009, 06:58:45 PM
Quote from: wreck on January 01, 2009, 06:50:07 PM
Quote from: Nut44x4 on January 01, 2009, 06:48:00 PM
Never any doubt in my mind that what was found in that trap were human remains. Natalee or not (I do think it was her),
someone
was in that cage/trap. No doubt ... right billb?
I do as well. If the "remains" were
not
Natalee -- there would be
no
reason to be secretive or cover-up.
I agree!
Kyle referred to the contents as REMAINS. Not once, not twice - but over and over and over.
oceanexploration
Re: Natalee Case Discussion #744 3/19 -
« Reply #363 on: March 20, 2008, 02:36:39 AM »
Kyle said:
"Human remains were found,
but the FBI was not and would not comment on the case. The FBI did not comment on the remains, but rather the fabric sample"
Oceanexploration: "
I never said there were no human remains"
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2668.msg360330#msg360330
Kyle: "I think it is highly unlikely and completely inconsistent with numerous testimonies and other evidence that the pond (or anything but
the ocean) contains Natalee's remains
« Reply #802 on: December 02, 2008, 05:16:26 PM »
Kyle said: “The portion of the discolored blue fabric was presumably on the bottom of the fabric. In my opinion this discoloration is not another type of fabric, but rather biological staining or discoloration from biological growth caused from a high organic carbon content and decay. Basically, during decay a biological mat will form around the organics
from remains.
This is what I believe it is on the bottom of the fabric.
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4182.msg564125;topicseen#msg564125
Kermit,
You were going to reveal something yesterday, I dont even remember what is was but did you do it? I dunno if I missed something or not. Do you know what I'm talking about?
yes, but I'm sure it's either pages back or in the last thread.
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Re: Natalee Case Discussion #788 12/31/08 -
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Quote from: SS on January 01, 2009, 08:01:04 PM
Quote from: Kermit on January 01, 2009, 07:57:21 PM
Quote from: truthseeker2 on January 01, 2009, 07:51:11 PM
Quote from: SS on January 01, 2009, 07:39:51 PM
I have had a very interesting thought, but maybe some of you might think I've lost it. Kermit said that she had IPs for Caps from Aruba, NY, and Paris. This seems unusual to me for someone who John Silvetti claimed was unemployed. Do you suppose that Caps could be some kind of an agent, like CIA or something?
So Caps had IP addresses from all of those locations? Did not know that. I don't spend that much time at the sitemeter.
He has different IPs, but he also uses more then one computer.
Could he be some kind of a special agent?
I have 6 computers.
make that 7, I can log in with my phone.
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I'm taking off.
Keep the faith.
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===> Christine Marie Sheddy - missing since 11/13/2007 - Maryland(BODY FOUND)
===> Nevaeh Amyah Buchanan 5yr Monroe Michigan(BODY FOUND)
===> Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Tempe AZ-San Antonio TX
===> Stacy Ann Peterson missing & Kathleen Savio murdered - Illinois
===> Zahra Clare Baker - 10yrs old Hickory, NC (Body Found)
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Natalee Holloway
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=> Natalee Holloway
=> Important Case Documents
===> Joran Statements/PV's
===> Paulus Statements/PV's
===> Deepak Statements/PV's
===> Satish Statements/PV's
===> Misc Statements/PV's
=> LCD Archive
=> Shango/Simian and other Codetalkers
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Current Events and Musings
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=> Monkey Musings / Open Discussion
=> Pop Culture Main
===> Hugely Popular TV Shows
===> Movies and Television
===> Social Media
===> Music
===> Books
===> Scared Monkeys Radio with Dana Pretzer
=> Health and Medical Issues
=> Food and Product Recalls
=> News of the Day
=> Business News
=> Sports
=> Political Forum
=> Religion (discussion and debate)
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The Monkey Lounge
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=> The Monkey Lounge
===> Fashion & Decorating
===> What's Cooking? Recipes
===> Games
=> Inspirational
===> Memorial - Gone but Never Forgotten
===> Gratefulness - Light a Candle in Prayer
===> Inspirational scriptures, songs, stories and prayers
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Natalee Discussions (2005 ARCHIVE)
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=> Natalee Holloway
=> Theory and Speculation
=> Links and References Only
=> Natalee Breaking News Archive
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General Discussions (2005 ARCHIVE)
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=> News Issues
=> Chit Chat
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