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« Reply #1360 on: January 02, 2009, 03:18:07 PM »


I got into a relationship with someone and later realized that I did not want a ready-made family.  We dated for two years and even lived together, he had full custody of his daughter, which is unusual...mom was/is a total basketcase.  As much as I cared for his daughter, and maybe it was just because I was an only child, myself....plus twelve years catholic school....I eventually realized that I could not cope with raising someone else's child.  People held me accountable for the actions of a child that I had not raised, as if I were her mother.  Meanwhile, her real mother is not paying child support when she only has to pay a meager amount every month.  After I found MYSELF paying for child care for someone else's kid at 24, I gave up.

My point is:  falling in love and caring about people is not all cut and dry.  I will never date another person with a child from a previous relationship, I learned my lesson.  I still care about the little girl, and it sucks that we have no contact after I pretty much was 50% of a parenting team for 2 years.  You really never can tell what you've signed up for until you experience it.  Tony was just being honest with Casey about his plans for kids, I think he tried to tell Casey all along that he wasn't all that serious.  Problem is, a girl like Casey loves the chase.  When Tony was joking about moving back to NY, Casey cried and acted all bitchy.  She did this to a guy she had dated for A MONTH!  She wouldn't have liked Tony as much if he hadn't kept trying to keep his distance, IMO.  I will get off my soapbox now.


I'm sorry if I offended you, Shari. You're right, though. It's never cut and dry.
oh no, no offense taken.  I feel bad for Tony Lazzaro because I'm sure he's wondered how much of this would've happened had he not dated Casey or voiced his opinion about the kids he'd like to have someday.  I am  more likely to pin the "selfish" tag on Casey.  She was the mother with a child to look after, she should have found herself a single dad and put her priorities where they should have gone...on her daughter.  IMO, Casey had no business trying to date a fancy-free college student.  I think Tony has every right to talk about his nonexistent children.  After all, he didn't get to voice HIS opinion on the fact that Casey was having a kid.  But heck, Tony's a 21 year old kid, I'm sure he's already had numerous bimbos since Case-face hit the slammer.  I don't really understand what she had to offer as a girlfriend to him except booty. 
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« Reply #1361 on: January 02, 2009, 03:18:57 PM »

So what I am thinking......animals would have no interest in dry bones.  That would mean in order for the bones to be scattered by animals, the body would have to be more or less intact which would blow the theory that Casey drove around with the body in the trunk of the car.
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« Reply #1362 on: January 02, 2009, 03:19:04 PM »

I think Casey wanted to be free of the people who were burdening her and keeping her from enjoying the freedom she craved.  The main two people who did that, in her eyes, were Cindy and Caylee.  She told LE that Cindy put more pressure on her than anyone.  She told her friends that Cindy was controlling and tried to control her life.  Cindy clearly did not approve of the way Casey was raising Caylee.  Caylee was the tie that bound her to Cindy.  Caylee was also a burden who kept her from partying, getting all the guys she wanted, etc.  I think she planned to do away with Caylee first, and then if she got away with that, to go after Cindy.  Maybe she planned to do the opposite.  But the situation and pressures of being out on her own made her go for Caylee first. 

I think this is exactly why Casey killed Caylee - Freedom.  I don't think she was going to kill Cindy.  Cindy wasn't at all interested in Casey except for the fact that she had Caylee.  I believe in Casey's warped mind - Killing Caylee would not only free her from the burden of a child, but also from the burden of her mother's interference in her life.

I also think she was warped or dumb or naive enough to believe that everyone would believe her story.  Nanny stole the baby ... search for a while ... no leads ... case goes cold ... Casey's free.  (And ... I think ... if she was really searching missing children's sites ... this is exactly why ... she was looking at past cases ... seeing how things were done when a child goes missing and remains missing for a long time.  She was doing a little prep for what to expect in her immediate future.)
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« Reply #1363 on: January 02, 2009, 03:19:25 PM »


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Casey supposedly 'ran out of gas' in what turned out to be the area of the crime scene and called someone, didn't she?  I've read discussion before on whether she did that on purpose, so that it would cover her in case anyone else had seen her car parked at that spot.  Didn't someone come out and bring her some gas? 

 

Anthony brought her gas evidently right in front of where she dumped Caylee, but she would not let him close to the car.

Am I understanding this correctly...
KC's car ran out of gas, at the exact spot where Caylee was found and Anthony brought her gas?
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« Reply #1364 on: January 02, 2009, 03:23:37 PM »

Hi Monks! 
I have never bought into the incest angles, I think Crazy is just a liar, narcissistic sociopath who doesn't give a crap about anyone but herself. In most of her pics with Caylee, it looks like she is competing with the baby for cuteness and attention..ugh
I have alwaysbelieved JP is the dad,and either Spindy or Crazy lied about paternity for their own selfish reasons. Neither thought about Caylee, and her right to know her dad, have a relationship with him and be supported by him, financially and emotionally.
As far as LP & TM, LP loves the camera, he is a showman. I like him but find him unreliable. TM is serious, driven by his heart and has his imperfections because he is human, but IMO he is for the families because he walks in those shoes..


I thought the timeline made it impossible for JP to be the father?? didn't they only meet a few months (5 I think) before Caylee was born ? 
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« Reply #1365 on: January 02, 2009, 03:24:15 PM »

I live in an area with raccoons, possums, etc.  Room mate takes all the leftovers out to stump for the animals.  None of the bones are ever left, they tend to take them back to where they live.
A lot of times they take them away. I live in apartments but there are opposums, racoons, snakes, and even coyotes that live in a field across from me.

Joe finds bones all the time that some animal has left as there is no reason for an animal bone being in the parking lot. I make him spit it out and then I pick it up and throw it on top of the carport. Two, three days later the same bone is yards away and we go through it all over again. Maybe racoons got up on the carport, birds maybe I don't know. But they do get scattered is what I am trying to say as I am watching football. Go TECH
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« Reply #1366 on: January 02, 2009, 03:26:23 PM »

And I don't really buy into the incest or LA/GA might be Caylee's father.  Casey is just an amoral person, born that way, and certainly being raised by parents who in no way tried help guide her didn't help ...
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« Reply #1367 on: January 02, 2009, 03:26:32 PM »

Does anyone know if JP Chatt has ever taken a paternity test?  I just have a hard time believing he's not Caylee's biological dad when I look at their pictures side by side.  But, if KC or CA knew who the father was, I have to believe they would have really pressed for child support.  Maybe the father knew of something incriminating on KC and threatened to expose her if she asked for money???  We know from KC's own words that she was "petrified" of CA. If someone else knew that, they could have easily intimidated KC.
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« Reply #1368 on: January 02, 2009, 03:26:33 PM »

Hi Monks! 
I have never bought into the incest angles, I think Crazy is just a liar, narcissistic sociopath who doesn't give a crap about anyone but herself. In most of her pics with Caylee, it looks like she is competing with the baby for cuteness and attention..ugh
I have alwaysbelieved JP is the dad,and either Spindy or Crazy lied about paternity for their own selfish reasons. Neither thought about Caylee, and her right to know her dad, have a relationship with him and be supported by him, financially and emotionally.
As far as LP & TM, LP loves the camera, he is a showman. I like him but find him unreliable. TM is serious, driven by his heart and has his imperfections because he is human, but IMO he is for the families because he walks in those shoes..


Wow...the look a lot alike side by side, from the forehead, to the eyebrows, to the eyes, nose, lips and chin.
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« Reply #1369 on: January 02, 2009, 03:26:47 PM »

I now believe KC killed her deliberately and in that house. An accident is not even remotely possible.  I believe she beat her unconscious and most likely broke her neck at the time. I now believe they had been "keeping an eye" on the body to make sure all evidence was gone before someone "found" it. If she broke her neck the head would be detached from the spinal column after the tissue break down and evidently that is the case now.

I would like to see them send the full vertebrae and the skull to Dr. Bill Bass at the Body Farm. He has found evidence before of foul play when other ME's have missed it in the bone structure.

There is something about her bones being scattered in such a large area which is bothering me. I can't put my finger on it yet, but it is there. Small animals will take them with flesh on them to eat, but there were not animal markings on the bones. That is impossible if the animals scattered them.

So WHY were they scattered so far and wide?
Oh Turbo, I dont think she beat Caylee.... I think she either overdosed her or allowed her to climb the pool steps and drown.

I did at first, but now I don't. She went into a raging fit and I believe killed her on the spot without thinking twice about it.  I believe was doing meth or something like it and went into a meth and/or crack rage. I know many of her friends said she did not do drugs, but I don't believe it, and I believe it will eventually come out.

With her age (moreso her lack of maturity), and caring only about herself and her own wants and needs, I think it's very likely she could have gone off on Caylee like that, even if she were not on drugs.  People snap.  She obviously was detached from Caylee in many ways, and she obviously hated the fact her mom seemed to only care about Caylee, and not herself.  If there were an argument, and Cindy tried to strangle her, damn straight Casey could have been pi$$ed off enough to snap. Especially if Caylee was upset and crying and Casey wasn't able to calm her down.  Casey probably blamed her mom and Caylee for everything going wrong in her life. Taking off would have been the easy way to get away from Cindy, but killing Caylee would have been (in her mind) the only way to get away from Caylee.  (If she would have left Caylee with Cindy, she would have had to admit she sucked as a mother. That her mom was right all along.. I don't think she could have allowed that).

I agree.........it may not about drugs at all, but one of the things I noticed was she got very little sleep. She was up all hours of the night talking and texting, then up all day, so she was using something which I have always suspected to be meth. or crack. Both are cheap, flow like water in clubs and the symptoms of their use parallel exactly with her personality trails the last year.

I agree that Casey may have been abusing a stimulant.  However, not sure where u live, but here in Michigan, drugs are expensive. To keep up a drug habit, she'd have to be stealing, which she was.  I've always thought it was odd that she would party all night, then "appear to get ready for work in the morning and leave the house".  To me, having to pretend to go to work, is ten times worse than actually working!

I'd like to expand on what you said about Casey using speed and ask what u think of her being an escort, along with using hardcore drugs.  Makes sense to me...once someone gets all hopped up on speed...they want to do something...sometimes sex!  All that driving around all day long on drugs...after she partied all night on them...and only got 3-4 hours sleep. 

If this had been going on for awhile, no sleep and tons of drugs, how will that figure into her sanity at the trial?
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« Reply #1370 on: January 02, 2009, 03:28:13 PM »

I live in an area with raccoons, possums, etc.  Room mate takes all the leftovers out to stump for the animals.  None of the bones are ever left, they tend to take them back to where they live.
A lot of times they take them away. I live in apartments but there are opposums, racoons, snakes, and even coyotes that live in a field across from me.

Joe finds bones all the time that some animal has left as there is no reason for an animal bone being in the parking lot. I make him spit it out and then I pick it up and throw it on top of the carport. Two, three days later the same bone is yards away and we go through it all over again. Maybe racoons got up on the carport, birds maybe I don't know. But they do get scattered is what I am trying to say as I am watching football. Go TECH

I'm watching that game too - and getting ready for the Utah/Alabama game!

To me, the fact that the bones were scattered over an acre proves that the body was out there for a while.   
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« Reply #1371 on: January 02, 2009, 03:29:00 PM »

Does anyone know if JP Chatt has ever taken a paternity test?  I just have a hard time believing he's not Caylee's biological dad when I look at their pictures side by side.  But, if KC or CA knew who the father was, I have to believe they would have really pressed for child support.  Maybe the father knew of something incriminating on KC and threatened to expose her if she asked for money???  We know from KC's own words that she was "petrified" of CA. If someone else knew that, they could have easily intimidated KC.

hey that totally makes sense!!!  Bio dad could have blackmailed KC....
I will adopt this line of thinking as soon as we are told that Lee is not the father....
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« Reply #1372 on: January 02, 2009, 03:29:30 PM »

Hi Monks! 
I have never bought into the incest angles, I think Crazy is just a liar, narcissistic sociopath who doesn't give a crap about anyone but herself. In most of her pics with Caylee, it looks like she is competing with the baby for cuteness and attention..ugh
I have alwaysbelieved JP is the dad,and either Spindy or Crazy lied about paternity for their own selfish reasons. Neither thought about Caylee, and her right to know her dad, have a relationship with him and be supported by him, financially and emotionally.
As far as LP & TM, LP loves the camera, he is a showman. I like him but find him unreliable. TM is serious, driven by his heart and has his imperfections because he is human, but IMO he is for the families because he walks in those shoes..


I thought the timeline made it impossible for JP to be the father?? didn't they only meet a few months (5 I think) before Caylee was born ? 

You are correct. The math didn't add up. He couldn't be her father.

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« Reply #1373 on: January 02, 2009, 03:31:38 PM »

And I don't really buy into the incest or LA/GA might be Caylee's father.  Casey is just an amoral person, born that way, and certainly being raised by parents who in no way tried help guide her didn't help ...

And, she is a liar because C&G are liars, imo.    She wasn't taught that lying is unacceptable.   Can you imagine living in a house where everyone lies? 
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« Reply #1374 on: January 02, 2009, 03:34:17 PM »

I now believe KC killed her deliberately and in that house. An accident is not even remotely possible.  I believe she beat her unconscious and most likely broke her neck at the time. I now believe they had been "keeping an eye" on the body to make sure all evidence was gone before someone "found" it. If she broke her neck the head would be detached from the spinal column after the tissue break down and evidently that is the case now.

I would like to see them send the full vertebrae and the skull to Dr. Bill Bass at the Body Farm. He has found evidence before of foul play when other ME's have missed it in the bone structure.

There is something about her bones being scattered in such a large area which is bothering me. I can't put my finger on it yet, but it is there. Small animals will take them with flesh on them to eat, but there were not animal markings on the bones. That is impossible if the animals scattered them.

So WHY were they scattered so far and wide?
Oh Turbo, I dont think she beat Caylee.... I think she either overdosed her or allowed her to climb the pool steps and drown.

I did at first, but now I don't. She went into a raging fit and I believe killed her on the spot without thinking twice about it.  I believe was doing meth or something like it and went into a meth and/or crack rage. I know many of her friends said she did not do drugs, but I don't believe it, and I believe it will eventually come out.

With her age (moreso her lack of maturity), and caring only about herself and her own wants and needs, I think it's very likely she could have gone off on Caylee like that, even if she were not on drugs.  People snap.  She obviously was detached from Caylee in many ways, and she obviously hated the fact her mom seemed to only care about Caylee, and not herself.  If there were an argument, and Cindy tried to strangle her, damn straight Casey could have been pi$$ed off enough to snap. Especially if Caylee was upset and crying and Casey wasn't able to calm her down.  Casey probably blamed her mom and Caylee for everything going wrong in her life. Taking off would have been the easy way to get away from Cindy, but killing Caylee would have been (in her mind) the only way to get away from Caylee.  (If she would have left Caylee with Cindy, she would have had to admit she sucked as a mother. That her mom was right all along.. I don't think she could have allowed that).

I agree.........it may not about drugs at all, but one of the things I noticed was she got very little sleep. She was up all hours of the night talking and texting, then up all day, so she was using something which I have always suspected to be meth. or crack. Both are cheap, flow like water in clubs and the symptoms of their use parallel exactly with her personality trails the last year.

I agree that Casey may have been abusing a stimulant.  However, not sure where u live, but here in Michigan, drugs are expensive. To keep up a drug habit, she'd have to be stealing, which she was.  I've always thought it was odd that she would party all night, then "appear to get ready for work in the morning and leave the house".  To me, having to pretend to go to work, is ten times worse than actually working!

I'd like to expand on what you said about Casey using speed and ask what u think of her being an escort, along with using hardcore drugs.  Makes sense to me...once someone gets all hopped up on speed...they want to do something...sometimes sex!  All that driving around all day long on drugs...after she partied all night on them...and only got 3-4 hours sleep. 

If this had been going on for awhile, no sleep and tons of drugs, how will that figure into her sanity at the trial?
Only she was dating two cops, they would know if she were a speed freak. I think KC was just a hyperactive, egotistical, slore that liked sex because it gave her control that she didn't have in any other aspect of her life. Plus she drove around all night because she had nowhere else to go. She couldn't go to Hopespring drive unless she had the baby and the baby was dead. JMO JSM
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« Reply #1375 on: January 02, 2009, 03:35:04 PM »

And I don't really buy into the incest or LA/GA might be Caylee's father.  Casey is just an amoral person, born that way, and certainly being raised by parents who in no way tried help guide her didn't help ...

And, she is a liar because C&G are liars, imo.    She wasn't taught that lying is unacceptable.   Can you imagine living in a house where everyone lies? 

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And no, I can't.  It has to be a very tenuous, confusing and crazy environment.  OH YEAH ~ much like the Anthony home.
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« Reply #1376 on: January 02, 2009, 03:35:46 PM »

I live in an area with raccoons, possums, etc.  Room mate takes all the leftovers out to stump for the animals.  None of the bones are ever left, they tend to take them back to where they live.
A lot of times they take them away. I live in apartments but there are opposums, racoons, snakes, and even coyotes that live in a field across from me.

Joe finds bones all the time that some animal has left as there is no reason for an animal bone being in the parking lot. I make him spit it out and then I pick it up and throw it on top of the carport. Two, three days later the same bone is yards away and we go through it all over again. Maybe racoons got up on the carport, birds maybe I don't know. But they do get scattered is what I am trying to say as I am watching football. Go TECH

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To me, the fact that the bones were scattered over an acre proves that the body was out there for a while.   
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« Reply #1377 on: January 02, 2009, 03:36:11 PM »

Hi Monks! 
I have never bought into the incest angles, I think Crazy is just a liar, narcissistic sociopath who doesn't give a crap about anyone but herself. In most of her pics with Caylee, it looks like she is competing with the baby for cuteness and attention..ugh
I have alwaysbelieved JP is the dad,and either Spindy or Crazy lied about paternity for their own selfish reasons. Neither thought about Caylee, and her right to know her dad, have a relationship with him and be supported by him, financially and emotionally.
As far as LP & TM, LP loves the camera, he is a showman. I like him but find him unreliable. TM is serious, driven by his heart and has his imperfections because he is human, but IMO he is for the families because he walks in those shoes..


I thought the timeline made it impossible for JP to be the father?? didn't they only meet a few months (5 I think) before Caylee was born ? 

You are correct. The math didn't add up. He couldn't be her father.



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« Reply #1378 on: January 02, 2009, 03:36:43 PM »

Did GA and CA finally take a polygraph?  I think they did that fairly recently, right?  Was this voluntarily?  LA never took a polygraph but he did submit DNA samples when required by LE to do so???  Just trying to get things straight in my head.  Too much going on to keep up with...lol!
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« Reply #1379 on: January 02, 2009, 03:39:51 PM »

Did GA and CA finally take a polygraph?  I think they did that fairly recently, right?  Was this voluntarily?  LA never took a polygraph but he did submit DNA samples when required by LE to do so???  Just trying to get things straight in my head.  Too much going on to keep up with...lol!

I think they finally gave DNA ~ but I haven't heard anything about them taking a poly ... I highly doubt they would ... not until they get immunity.
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