Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, Missing 6/16/08 Orlando FL (Remains Found) #84

[Fuzzball]

Think about it for a minute.    What if Casey didnt let JP know until after Caylee was born that he was the father, and then think about how Jose can just go all out and hire up this dream team to defend Casey like he has, you know someone has to be paying and also  this would be how Jose became Caseys Lawyer, if this family wanted to keep Caseys mouth shut about the baby's father, what better way to ensure that then to pay for the best defense team for her in exchange for her silence........................makes sense to me!

Sure does. Only how would they know he was Caylee's father? Were they in the room at the conception? Did he come home and tell them? If a guy doesn't want to be the father, he doesn't have to. It takes a paternity test to prove he is, and unless she springs for one, he's pretty safe. The family doesn't have to pay thousands to insure she not tell about it. She wasn't talking about it anyway.

IMO whoever is forking out all this money is doing so over a LOT higher stakes than just not wanting to pay child support.

[flossy]

The only thing about that theory, higherhopes, is that I don't think the Chatt's would be dense enough not to realize that the risk of someone knowing that their son was Caylee's father is nothing compared to the risk they'd be taking if they put up money to help her avoid going to jail for killing their granddaughter.

I am not so skeptical of Casey having had the idea to pull a stunt with the kidnapping for ransom approach, though.....

[da sparkenator]

Think about it for a minute.    What if Casey didnt let JP know until after Caylee was born that he was the father, and then think about how Jose can just go all out and hire up this dream team to defend Casey like he has, you know someone has to be paying and also  this would be how Jose became Caseys Lawyer, if this family wanted to keep Caseys mouth shut about the baby's father, what better way to ensure that then to pay for the best defense team for her in exchange for her silence........................makes sense to me!

Also, the more I think about it, the more it makes sense, back when Casey was looking up kidnapping on the comp, what if she was thinking about staging a kidnapping to get money from JP's family, like asking him for the ransom money, and they prolly would have agreed to give it to her if she didnt say anything about who the babies father was, and something went wrong and Caylee ended up dead.........

BINGO!  You really have your thinking cap on tonight!!!!!

[islandmonkey]

Night Monkeys~see ya tomorrow.

HH~I always thought Caylee looked like JP

[higherhopes]

Think about it for a minute.    What if Casey didnt let JP know until after Caylee was born that he was the father, and then think about how Jose can just go all out and hire up this dream team to defend Casey like he has, you know someone has to be paying and also  this would be how Jose became Caseys Lawyer, if this family wanted to keep Caseys mouth shut about the baby's father, what better way to ensure that then to pay for the best defense team for her in exchange for her silence........................makes sense to me!

And perhaps this financial help and extortion so to speak (or bribery) goes back to the second time Casey was bonded out.

Things that make you wanna go "hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm."

(Could that also be how Case was financing her lifestyle, without having any steady or known employment?)

I wouldnt doubt this at all and it makes more sense then any thing else about how Jose became Casey's lawyer, where the money is coming from. why Casey acts like she isnt worried, because she knows that she will have the best defense team money can buy,       Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm...this makes a lot of sense!

But why would they go to so much trouble to help the woman who possibly murdered their grandchild/child? Just to keep the paternity secret?

Honestly asking, not being sarcastic.

It is my understanding that JP has a girl that his family approves of and that they are planning on getting married and they were together back when Casey would have conceaved Caylee, so that would be one reason, and the other being that they just didnt want ot be associated with Casey and her family, I mean these people are millionaires and they are from PR, I dont know what kind of rules they live by there or anything........thneir religion........alot of thing could make them want to keep this quiet!

[Fuzzball]

Think about it for a minute.    What if Casey didnt let JP know until after Caylee was born that he was the father, and then think about how Jose can just go all out and hire up this dream team to defend Casey like he has, you know someone has to be paying and also  this would be how Jose became Caseys Lawyer, if this family wanted to keep Caseys mouth shut about the baby's father, what better way to ensure that then to pay for the best defense team for her in exchange for her silence........................makes sense to me!

And perhaps this financial help and extortion so to speak (or bribery) goes back to the second time Casey was bonded out.

Things that make you wanna go "hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm."

(Could that also be how Case was financing her lifestyle, without having any steady or known employment?)

I wouldnt doubt this at all and it makes more sense then any thing else about how Jose became Casey's lawyer, where the money is coming from. why Casey acts like she isnt worried, because she knows that she will have the best defense team money can buy,       Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm...this makes a lot of sense!

But why would they go to so much trouble to help the woman who possibly murdered their grandchild/child? Just to keep the paternity secret?

Honestly asking, not being sarcastic.

IMO all this trouble, all this money, is covering something big, like a child pornography ring or a drug ring or both. It just wouldn't be worth it to help Casey in order to conceal paternity...unless the father is a government official or a very wealthy and powerful married man whose money comes mainly from his wife.  If a guy stood to lose his job, marriage, and reputation, and income, and that $500,000 bond were a drop in the bucket, he might well pay it, and more, to keep it from coming to light.

But that presupposes he knows they might be able to prove it, and it also presupposes that they didn't already try.

[flossy]

Night Monkeys~see ya tomorrow.

HH~I always thought Caylee looked like JP

Goodnight, IM.  I think Caylee looks a lot like JP, too.  (I still subscribe to the more sinister theory, though)

[shanfel]

The only thing I can think of is that on the night of the 15th, Caylee fell inot the pool during the CA/KC fight, or, that the fight was after CA found Caylee in the pool that night due to KC's negligence. At that point the whole family goes into cover-up mode...Cindy's blog about how "Caylee left her life the same way she came into her life" (paraphrasing) has always bothered me. I've heard this remark made when someone has died..not been taken by her mother. Maybe she came into her life because of her mothers mistakes and left her life because of her mothers mistakes?

Also they "what have you done?" CA is reported to have said to KC the night of the 911 calls also doesn't sit well. Maybe KC had threatened the family secret somehow and CA decided to get in the first offensive move...call in Casey...or maybe the plan all along was to send Casey out to CA with friends so that no one in FLA would ask about Caylee, (to Hawkins "I've alreadt talked to my mom and dad, and theres something I need to tell you." Talked the plan out with them?) and when the car was towed they realized she hadn't and the cover-up was in jeopardy? Or maybe the car was supposed to be found...but Casey wasn't?

In any case... they would feel confident in sacrficing Casey for a bit, thinking George as a former LE could find ways to get her off.

*shrug* That's all I got in the CA/GA knew department.
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Well many of us monkeys have said why wouldn't they have just reported the accident.  Perhaps they couldn't report it because of the long term use of xanax on Caylee.  I imagine George and Spindy would know that it would be an issue if they called the police, that it would show up in tests.  Well if that's why they didn't want to report it as an accident, then I think either Casey said no we can't report it because I gave her xanax OR Cindy and George knew about it.

The only other reason that I think they wouldn't want to report it as an accident is from a knee jerk reaction of covering for themselves, they probably are used to hiding skeletons in their closet.

All in all, I just can't see this big cover up for an accident.   But then again, I am applying rational standards to an irrational family!

Karen


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Thinking that myself, but... what if Caylee was hurt somehow in this fight that would lead to charges of involuntary manslaughter? What if they were throwing things and Caylee got hit- or Casey got mad and kicked Caylee (into something, too hard, etc.)? I can see that type of accident making CA choke Casey, but maybe also cover up for her in some twisted way.

[higherhopes]

The only thing about that theory, higherhopes, is that I don't think the Chatt's would be dense enough not to realize that the risk of someone knowing that their son was Caylee's father is nothing compared to the risk they'd be taking if they put up money to help her avoid going to jail for killing their granddaughter.

I am not so skeptical of Casey having had the idea to pull a stunt with the kidnapping for ransom approach, though.....

Me either, it would be the fastest way for her to make money and get out of the Anthony';s house, and if they continues  to support Casey throughout all this how would anybody ever find out, with Jose being a lawyer Im sure he would have already wrote up some kind of legal document for Casey to sign that would keep her quiet about this..

[islandmonkey]

Night Monkeys~see ya tomorrow.

HH~I always thought Caylee looked like JP

Goodnight, IM.  I think Caylee looks a lot like JP, too.  (I still subscribe to the more sinister theory, though)

  Actually I do too!!!

Bombshell _ LP is really Caylee's father ~J/K, just needed to throw out a wild theory tonight

[Fuzzball]

Think about it for a minute.    What if Casey didnt let JP know until after Caylee was born that he was the father, and then think about how Jose can just go all out and hire up this dream team to defend Casey like he has, you know someone has to be paying and also  this would be how Jose became Caseys Lawyer, if this family wanted to keep Caseys mouth shut about the baby's father, what better way to ensure that then to pay for the best defense team for her in exchange for her silence........................makes sense to me!

And perhaps this financial help and extortion so to speak (or bribery) goes back to the second time Casey was bonded out.

Things that make you wanna go "hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm."

(Could that also be how Case was financing her lifestyle, without having any steady or known employment?)

I wouldnt doubt this at all and it makes more sense then any thing else about how Jose became Casey's lawyer, where the money is coming from. why Casey acts like she isnt worried, because she knows that she will have the best defense team money can buy,       Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm...this makes a lot of sense!

But why would they go to so much trouble to help the woman who possibly murdered their grandchild/child? Just to keep the paternity secret?

Honestly asking, not being sarcastic.

It is my understanding that JP has a girl that his family approves of and that they are planning on getting married and they were together back when Casey would have conceaved Caylee, so that would be one reason, and the other being that they just didnt want ot be associated with Casey and her family, I mean these people are millionaires and they are from PR, I dont know what kind of rules they live by there or anything........thneir religion........alot of thing could make them want to keep this quiet!

JP Chatt's parents are millionaires? I would think Casey and her parents would have attached like barnacles and demanded $. Lots of money.
It gives him motive to murder Caylee and could almost create reasonable doubt if Chatt can be proven to be anywhere near Casey or her car during the time Caylee disappeared.

Because if the child is dead you no longer have to pay child support, and comparing your DNA could prove tricky. (If they didn't already have her DNA, which they do.)

The only thing is, Chatt would have dealt with this years and years ago if it were really him.

[Brandi]

Night Monkeys~see ya tomorrow.

HH~I always thought Caylee looked like JP

Good night, islandmonkey.

I also think JP looked the most like Caylee of all the "suitors" I have seen in this case. Guess I should have said, of all the males in Casey's life.

I am going to try to go to bed and not stay up all night like I have been doing lately! So good night to all you left coasters and night owl monkeys! See you tomorrow!

[Desdemona]

Please forgive the slightly OT question, but does anyone here know this:

Early on, Cindy stated (to Greta? to LE?  don't remember!) that on the night of Father's Day, Sunday June 15, after returning with Caylee from Mt. Dora, Caylee went swimming with (Cindy? Casey?).  She claimed that at some point, someone (Cindy? Casey?) took her out of the pool "because she was cold."

She then continued on with the "tucked them into bed together" story.  This was, of course, before news of the horrible fight b/t Cindy and Casey ever came out.

Does anyone remember the details of the Caylee-went-swimming story?  Who did Cindy tell this to?  Did she ever elaborate, or repeat it again?

And does anyone remember the date that Cindy says she and George came home to discover their gate open and the pool ladder on the pool?  Was it the 16th?  Or some other date?

TIA.

(The "took her out of the pool because she was cold" comment gave me chills myself when I heard this, and I've never forgotten it...)

Desi

[Fuzzball]

Night Monkeys~see ya tomorrow.

HH~I always thought Caylee looked like JP

Me, too.  But she also looks like Mark Hawkins.

[Bongosmom]

Think about it for a minute.    What if Casey didnt let JP know until after Caylee was born that he was the father, and then think about how Jose can just go all out and hire up this dream team to defend Casey like he has, you know someone has to be paying and also  this would be how Jose became Caseys Lawyer, if this family wanted to keep Caseys mouth shut about the baby's father, what better way to ensure that then to pay for the best defense team for her in exchange for her silence........................makes sense to me!

And perhaps this financial help and extortion so to speak (or bribery) goes back to the second time Casey was bonded out.

Things that make you wanna go "hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm."

(Could that also be how Case was financing her lifestyle, without having any steady or known employment?)

I wouldnt doubt this at all and it makes more sense then any thing else about how Jose became Casey's lawyer, where the money is coming from. why Casey acts like she isnt worried, because she knows that she will have the best defense team money can buy,       Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm...this makes a lot of sense!

But why would they go to so much trouble to help the woman who possibly murdered their grandchild/child? Just to keep the paternity secret?

Honestly asking, not being sarcastic.

It is my understanding that JP has a girl that his family approves of and that they are planning on getting married and they were together back when Casey would have conceaved Caylee, so that would be one reason, and the other being that they just didnt want ot be associated with Casey and her family, I mean these people are millionaires and they are from PR, I dont know what kind of rules they live by there or anything........thneir religion........alot of thing could make them want to keep this quiet!

This is really good, HH.  I also thought she looked a lot like JP, too.  Then I was thinking why would his family go to such lengths to avoid having paternity exposed, and I had a thought - what if it's not JP who is the daddy, but JP's father?  Casey does seem to go for "authority" figures. 

[crazybabyborg]

I'm not all caught up so I may have missed something, but at this point, I would think that LE has more potential to disclose the Father's identity than Baez. I honestly do not understand how Caylee's remains are going to be turned over to Cindy and George without there being an effort to determine the Father's Identity. He's "next of kin" equally with Casey, isn't he?

 

[da sparkenator]

The only thing I can think of is that on the night of the 15th, Caylee fell inot the pool during the CA/KC fight, or, that the fight was after CA found Caylee in the pool that night due to KC's negligence. At that point the whole family goes into cover-up mode...Cindy's blog about how "Caylee left her life the same way she came into her life" (paraphrasing) has always bothered me. I've heard this remark made when someone has died..not been taken by her mother. Maybe she came into her life because of her mothers mistakes and left her life because of her mothers mistakes?

Also they "what have you done?" CA is reported to have said to KC the night of the 911 calls also doesn't sit well. Maybe KC had threatened the family secret somehow and CA decided to get in the first offensive move...call in Casey...or maybe the plan all along was to send Casey out to CA with friends so that no one in FLA would ask about Caylee, (to Hawkins "I've alreadt talked to my mom and dad, and theres something I need to tell you." Talked the plan out with them?) and when the car was towed they realized she hadn't and the cover-up was in jeopardy? Or maybe the car was supposed to be found...but Casey wasn't?

In any case... they would feel confident in sacrficing Casey for a bit, thinking George as a former LE could find ways to get her off.

*shrug* That's all I got in the CA/GA knew department.

Well many of us monkeys have said why wouldn't they have just reported the accident.  Perhaps they couldn't report it because of the long term use of xanax on Caylee.  I imagine George and Spindy would know that it would be an issue if they called the police, that it would show up in tests.  Well if that's why they didn't want to report it as an accident, then I think either Casey said no we can't report it because I gave her xanax OR Cindy and George knew about it.

The only other reason that I think they wouldn't want to report it as an accident is from a knee jerk reaction of covering for themselves, they probably are used to hiding skeletons in their closet.

All in all, I just can't see this big cover up for an accident.   But then again, I am applying rational standards to an irrational family!

Karen


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Thinking that myself, but... what if Caylee was hurt somehow in this fight that would lead to charges of involuntary manslaughter? What if they were throwing things and Caylee got hit- or Casey got mad and kicked Caylee (into something, too hard, etc.)? I can see that type of accident making CA choke Casey, but maybe also cover up for her in some twisted way.


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Hmmm, I see your point and that could be a possibility but those injuries would cause a problem but would be explained as unrelated to the negligence of her falling in the pool. 

You are a very smart monkey, I will give you that!

Karen

[Fuzzball]

The only thing I can think of is that on the night of the 15th, Caylee fell inot the pool during the CA/KC fight, or, that the fight was after CA found Caylee in the pool that night due to KC's negligence. At that point the whole family goes into cover-up mode...Cindy's blog about how "Caylee left her life the same way she came into her life" (paraphrasing) has always bothered me. I've heard this remark made when someone has died..not been taken by her mother. Maybe she came into her life because of her mothers mistakes and left her life because of her mothers mistakes?

Also they "what have you done?" CA is reported to have said to KC the night of the 911 calls also doesn't sit well. Maybe KC had threatened the family secret somehow and CA decided to get in the first offensive move...call in Casey...or maybe the plan all along was to send Casey out to CA with friends so that no one in FLA would ask about Caylee, (to Hawkins "I've alreadt talked to my mom and dad, and theres something I need to tell you." Talked the plan out with them?) and when the car was towed they realized she hadn't and the cover-up was in jeopardy? Or maybe the car was supposed to be found...but Casey wasn't?

In any case... they would feel confident in sacrficing Casey for a bit, thinking George as a former LE could find ways to get her off.

*shrug* That's all I got in the CA/GA knew department.

Well many of us monkeys have said why wouldn't they have just reported the accident.  Perhaps they couldn't report it because of the long term use of xanax on Caylee.  I imagine George and Spindy would know that it would be an issue if they called the police, that it would show up in tests.  Well if that's why they didn't want to report it as an accident, then I think either Casey said no we can't report it because I gave her xanax OR Cindy and George knew about it.

The only other reason that I think they wouldn't want to report it as an accident is from a knee jerk reaction of covering for themselves, they probably are used to hiding skeletons in their closet.

All in all, I just can't see this big cover up for an accident.   But then again, I am applying rational standards to an irrational family!

Karen


[/quote]

Thinking that myself, but... what if Caylee was hurt somehow in this fight that would lead to charges of involuntary manslaughter? What if they were throwing things and Caylee got hit- or Casey got mad and kicked Caylee (into something, too hard, etc.)? I can see that type of accident making CA choke Casey, but maybe also cover up for her in some twisted way.


[/quote]

This family might try to hide an accident if it upset them a lot, or if admitting about the accident would expose something they wanted to keep hidden. But I think all of them would have cracked by now if it really had been an accident. This was a murder. Casey did it alone. Cindy tried to believe that someone else could have done it or that there was a different body, perhaps killed in self-defense, in that car, and she held onto that until it was impossible to hold onto it any longer.

[Fuzzball]

The only thing I can think of is that on the night of the 15th, Caylee fell inot the pool during the CA/KC fight, or, that the fight was after CA found Caylee in the pool that night due to KC's negligence. At that point the whole family goes into cover-up mode...Cindy's blog about how "Caylee left her life the same way she came into her life" (paraphrasing) has always bothered me. I've heard this remark made when someone has died..not been taken by her mother. Maybe she came into her life because of her mothers mistakes and left her life because of her mothers mistakes?

Also they "what have you done?" CA is reported to have said to KC the night of the 911 calls also doesn't sit well. Maybe KC had threatened the family secret somehow and CA decided to get in the first offensive move...call in Casey...or maybe the plan all along was to send Casey out to CA with friends so that no one in FLA would ask about Caylee, (to Hawkins "I've alreadt talked to my mom and dad, and theres something I need to tell you." Talked the plan out with them?) and when the car was towed they realized she hadn't and the cover-up was in jeopardy? Or maybe the car was supposed to be found...but Casey wasn't?

In any case... they would feel confident in sacrficing Casey for a bit, thinking George as a former LE could find ways to get her off.

*shrug* That's all I got in the CA/GA knew department.

Well many of us monkeys have said why wouldn't they have just reported the accident.  Perhaps they couldn't report it because of the long term use of xanax on Caylee.  I imagine George and Spindy would know that it would be an issue if they called the police, that it would show up in tests.  Well if that's why they didn't want to report it as an accident, then I think either Casey said no we can't report it because I gave her xanax OR Cindy and George knew about it.

The only other reason that I think they wouldn't want to report it as an accident is from a knee jerk reaction of covering for themselves, they probably are used to hiding skeletons in their closet.

All in all, I just can't see this big cover up for an accident.   But then again, I am applying rational standards to an irrational family!

Karen

Thinking that myself, but... what if Caylee was hurt somehow in this fight that would lead to charges of involuntary manslaughter? What if they were throwing things and Caylee got hit- or Casey got mad and kicked Caylee (into something, too hard, etc.)? I can see that type of accident making CA choke Casey, but maybe also cover up for her in some twisted way.


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Hmmm, I see your point and that could be a possibility but those injuries would cause a problem but would be explained as unrelated to the negligence of her falling in the pool. 

You are a very smart monkey, I will give you that!

Karen
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Plus there's no trauma to the bones--nothing that shows any kind of injury. Whatever caused her death, it wasn't a broken neck or a skull fracture or anything like that.

[Desdemona]

I'm not all caught up so I may have missed something, but at this point, I would think that LE has more potential to disclose the Father's identity than Baez. I honestly do not understand how Caylee's remains are going to be turned over to Cindy and George without there being an effort to determine the Father's Identity. He's "next of kin" equally with Casey, isn't he?

 

Hi CBB.  You look beautiful.  (I don't know you, but feel like I do from reading Peaches' beautiful thread for hours.....)

Anyway, I have always wondered if perhaps Caylee's body being found might lead to the daddy being brought to light.... I think you are onto something there.