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« Reply #820 on: January 03, 2009, 12:35:17 PM »

Truthseeker2 - one line of discussion here?  Really?  Makes me wonder why you bother.

Hoping, Klaas.  Just hoping.

I have always liked SM, Klaas.  I'm sure you see me lurking everyday.  I have always been here.  I have watched the evolution.

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« Reply #821 on: January 03, 2009, 12:36:12 PM »

I have never understood why some believe the words of the prime suspects plus Paulus as to what they did and when.  Unless someone can show me proof from another source, I don't just take them at their word.  This goes not only for Paulus' account of his banking activities but also the fact that Satish asked how the girl was the following morning.

We have only the word of Kalpoes for that as well.  Maybe he did and maybe he didn't.  No one else heard it.  How would we know?

And yet things like this some how become accepted as fact and other things such as the direct quotes from a poster are disregarded.

I would like more to come of the tapes from the Colombians as those allegedly do contain some direct information that we have not heard before.

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« Reply #822 on: January 03, 2009, 12:39:02 PM »

* Arlene Ellis-Schipper is a board of directors for CMB bank http://www.cmbnv.com/directors.php
* Paulus van der Sloot went to the CMB bank twice the day after Natalee was kidnapped by his son
* Lincoln Gomez and Nilo Swean are financial guys on the boards of these banks
(I'm going to add to this original post that the banks are significant to follow the money)
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4186.520


Anita's email was SETAR

Anita van der Sloot email:
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SO IS Gottenbos
Email: ica@setarnet.aw

The 100 million dollars that Croes is talking about is the tax exemption or tax holiday that the refinery currently has. “Setar pays every year 75 million florins in taxes”, said Croes.
http://tinyurl.com/qefda
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4186.620


If we can unlock what Paulus was doing at that bank,who he spoke with and why?I know it's been gone over a thousand times but it drives me bananas....

Truthseeker2!Do you have any lineage on Gomez and Swean??

Sorry, my son just called.  Needed to talk to him.  He left going back to school last night and it's an eight hour drive.


I did some checking on them months ago, but it is on another computer.  They haven't been a main focus for me yet as I was very interested in a particular individual in Colombia with possible Aruban ties. 

I'm sure you will understand, especially after what I have seen here over the last few weeks, until I have complete info I think I'm just going to step back a little and not post so much here.  People have a particular line of thought here and I seem to be a bit disruptive.

But, thanks for the conversation last night.  I do miss the variety of subject matter here, but I understand if most would prefer to stay with the one topic.

Truth, Do you think there are Columbian ties, maybe Paulus paid a Columbian drug dealer to dispose of Natalee's body in the trap? Maybe some truth to a little Joran told Great about the payoff of $10,000 less $400 (the amount Paulus seems to have deposited into the bank for Joran).  Maybe Paulus did make that deposit as well as a withdrawal at the same time.
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« Reply #823 on: January 03, 2009, 12:39:07 PM »

Truthseeker2 - one line of discussion here?  Really?  Makes me wonder why you bother.

Hoping, Klaas.  Just hoping.

I have always liked SM, Klaas.  I'm sure you see me lurking everyday.  I have always been here.  I have watched the evolution.

   Good, then you know aren't as easily fooled

Klaas..what is this?  Why would I even WANT to fool anyone?  I hae been here for a very long time.  And you know that.
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« Reply #824 on: January 03, 2009, 12:41:16 PM »

* Arlene Ellis-Schipper is a board of directors for CMB bank http://www.cmbnv.com/directors.php
* Paulus van der Sloot went to the CMB bank twice the day after Natalee was kidnapped by his son
* Lincoln Gomez and Nilo Swean are financial guys on the boards of these banks
(I'm going to add to this original post that the banks are significant to follow the money)
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4186.520


Anita's email was SETAR

Anita van der Sloot email:
> > > > >(i edited) @setarnet.aw

SO IS Gottenbos
Email: ica@setarnet.aw

The 100 million dollars that Croes is talking about is the tax exemption or tax holiday that the refinery currently has. “Setar pays every year 75 million florins in taxes”, said Croes.
http://tinyurl.com/qefda
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4186.620


If we can unlock what Paulus was doing at that bank,who he spoke with and why?I know it's been gone over a thousand times but it drives me bananas....

Truthseeker2!Do you have any lineage on Gomez and Swean??

Sorry, my son just called.  Needed to talk to him.  He left going back to school last night and it's an eight hour drive.


I did some checking on them months ago, but it is on another computer.  They haven't been a main focus for me yet as I was very interested in a particular individual in Colombia with possible Aruban ties. 

I'm sure you will understand, especially after what I have seen here over the last few weeks, until I have complete info I think I'm just going to step back a little and not post so much here.  People have a particular line of thought here and I seem to be a bit disruptive.

But, thanks for the conversation last night.  I do miss the variety of subject matter here, but I understand if most would prefer to stay with the one topic.

Truth, Do you think there are Columbian ties, maybe Paulus paid a Columbian drug dealer to dispose of Natalee's body in the trap? Maybe some truth to a little Joran told Great about the payoff of $10,000 less $400 (the amount Paulus seems to have deposited into the bank for Joran).  Maybe Paulus did make that deposit as well as a withdrawal at the same time.

I thought the $400 dollars was such a round about number?I think i'd take more then $400 dollars for my service!
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« Reply #825 on: January 03, 2009, 12:45:02 PM »

* Arlene Ellis-Schipper is a board of directors for CMB bank http://www.cmbnv.com/directors.php
* Paulus van der Sloot went to the CMB bank twice the day after Natalee was kidnapped by his son
* Lincoln Gomez and Nilo Swean are financial guys on the boards of these banks
(I'm going to add to this original post that the banks are significant to follow the money)
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4186.520


Anita's email was SETAR

Anita van der Sloot email:
> > > > >(i edited) @setarnet.aw

SO IS Gottenbos
Email: ica@setarnet.aw

The 100 million dollars that Croes is talking about is the tax exemption or tax holiday that the refinery currently has. “Setar pays every year 75 million florins in taxes”, said Croes.
http://tinyurl.com/qefda
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4186.620


If we can unlock what Paulus was doing at that bank,who he spoke with and why?I know it's been gone over a thousand times but it drives me bananas....

Truthseeker2!Do you have any lineage on Gomez and Swean??

Sorry, my son just called.  Needed to talk to him.  He left going back to school last night and it's an eight hour drive.


I did some checking on them months ago, but it is on another computer.  They haven't been a main focus for me yet as I was very interested in a particular individual in Colombia with possible Aruban ties. 

I'm sure you will understand, especially after what I have seen here over the last few weeks, until I have complete info I think I'm just going to step back a little and not post so much here.  People have a particular line of thought here and I seem to be a bit disruptive.

But, thanks for the conversation last night.  I do miss the variety of subject matter here, but I understand if most would prefer to stay with the one topic.

Truth, Do you think there are Columbian ties, maybe Paulus paid a Columbian drug dealer to dispose of Natalee's body in the trap? Maybe some truth to a little Joran told Great about the payoff of $10,000 less $400 (the amount Paulus seems to have deposited into the bank for Joran).  Maybe Paulus did make that deposit as well as a withdrawal at the same time.

Yes, I do think there could be a Colombian connection.  I started that line of thinking over a year ago and located an individual there with Aruba ties.  I also thought it odd that three nights in a row you Joran and Deepak admittedly together, but none of those times did they admit being with Freddy or Jaime.  Freddy and Jaime along with the Gottenbos bros. were the closer friends.  The statement given by Jaime is curious because of the timing of the phone calls from Joran.  Also, on 5/30 Jaime ends up at the Wyndham at the same time Andre says Joran and Guido coincidently stepped out of the casino. 

I have often believed they may have been meeting Jaime in the parking lot.
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« Reply #826 on: January 03, 2009, 12:47:14 PM »


I thought the $400 dollars was such a round about number?I think i'd take more then $400 dollars for my service!

According to Andre that is about the amount of money Joran won the next day...and the amount of money Joran said was missing from the "bag of money" he claims was given to him for selling Natalee.

They seem to be stuck on $400.
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« Reply #827 on: January 03, 2009, 12:48:54 PM »

Truthseeker2 - one line of discussion here?  Really?  Makes me wonder why you bother.

Hoping, Klaas.  Just hoping.

I have always liked SM, Klaas.  I'm sure you see me lurking everyday.  I have always been here.  I have watched the evolution.

   Good, then you know we aren't as easily fooled

Klaas..what is this?  Why would I even WANT to fool anyone?  I hae been here for a very long time.  And you know that.

Did I say you were trying to fool people?  Part of the problem we are having in the forum right now is people misinterpreting posts and reading something into them that isn't there.
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« Reply #828 on: January 03, 2009, 12:50:13 PM »


I thought the $400 dollars was such a round about number?I think i'd take more then $400 dollars for my service!

According to Andre that is about the amount of money Joran won the next day...and the amount of money Joran said was missing from the "bag of money" he claims was given to him for selling Natalee.
They seem to be stuck on $400.

Good point.  I wouldn't have thought of that....but I'm not an analyst. 
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« Reply #829 on: January 03, 2009, 12:50:25 PM »

* Arlene Ellis-Schipper is a board of directors for CMB bank http://www.cmbnv.com/directors.php
* Paulus van der Sloot went to the CMB bank twice the day after Natalee was kidnapped by his son
* Lincoln Gomez and Nilo Swean are financial guys on the boards of these banks
(I'm going to add to this original post that the banks are significant to follow the money)
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4186.520


Anita's email was SETAR

Anita van der Sloot email:
> > > > >(i edited) @setarnet.aw

SO IS Gottenbos
Email: ica@setarnet.aw

The 100 million dollars that Croes is talking about is the tax exemption or tax holiday that the refinery currently has. “Setar pays every year 75 million florins in taxes”, said Croes.
http://tinyurl.com/qefda
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4186.620


If we can unlock what Paulus was doing at that bank,who he spoke with and why?I know it's been gone over a thousand times but it drives me bananas....

Truthseeker2!Do you have any lineage on Gomez and Swean??

Sorry, my son just called.  Needed to talk to him.  He left going back to school last night and it's an eight hour drive.


I did some checking on them months ago, but it is on another computer.  They haven't been a main focus for me yet as I was very interested in a particular individual in Colombia with possible Aruban ties. 

I'm sure you will understand, especially after what I have seen here over the last few weeks, until I have complete info I think I'm just going to step back a little and not post so much here.  People have a particular line of thought here and I seem to be a bit disruptive.

But, thanks for the conversation last night.  I do miss the variety of subject matter here, but I understand if most would prefer to stay with the one topic.

Truth, Do you think there are Columbian ties, maybe Paulus paid a Columbian drug dealer to dispose of Natalee's body in the trap? Maybe some truth to a little Joran told Great about the payoff of $10,000 less $400 (the amount Paulus seems to have deposited into the bank for Joran).  Maybe Paulus did make that deposit as well as a withdrawal at the same time.

Yes, I do think there could be a Colombian connection.  I started that line of thinking over a year ago and located an individual there with Aruba ties.  I also thought it odd that three nights in a row you Joran and Deepak admittedly together, but none of those times did they admit being with Freddy or Jaime.  Freddy and Jaime along with the Gottenbos bros. were the closer friends.  The statement given by Jaime is curious because of the timing of the phone calls from Joran.  Also, on 5/30 Jaime ends up at the Wyndham at the same time Andre says Joran and Guido coincidently stepped out of the casino. 

I have often believed they may have been meeting Jaime in the parking lot.

Would the Columbian ties come from Jamie then?  Is Jamie from Columbia and is his family tied into a cartel of some sorts?  (guess most families in Columbia are tied into drugs in some shape or form-guess this is a stupid question on my part).
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« Reply #830 on: January 03, 2009, 12:51:38 PM »

Truthseeker2 - one line of discussion here?  Really?  Makes me wonder why you bother.

Hoping, Klaas.  Just hoping.

I have always liked SM, Klaas.  I'm sure you see me lurking everyday.  I have always been here.  I have watched the evolution.

   Good, then you know we aren't as easily fooled

Klaas..what is this?  Why would I even WANT to fool anyone?  I hae been here for a very long time.  And you know that.

Did I say you were trying to fool people?  Part of the problem we are having in the forum right now is people misinterpreting posts and reading something into them that isn't there.

I'm no dummy. 
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« Reply #831 on: January 03, 2009, 12:52:43 PM »


I thought the $400 dollars was such a round about number?I think i'd take more then $400 dollars for my service!

According to Andre that is about the amount of money Joran won the next day...and the amount of money Joran said was missing from the "bag of money" he claims was given to him for selling Natalee.
They seem to be stuck on $400.

Good point.  I wouldn't have thought of that....but I'm not an analyst. 

This was said because I read your posts...
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« Reply #832 on: January 03, 2009, 12:54:39 PM »



Yes, I do think there could be a Colombian connection.  I started that line of thinking over a year ago and located an individual there with Aruba ties.  I also thought it odd that three nights in a row you Joran and Deepak admittedly together, but none of those times did they admit being with Freddy or Jaime.  Freddy and Jaime along with the Gottenbos bros. were the closer friends.  The statement given by Jaime is curious because of the timing of the phone calls from Joran.  Also, on 5/30 Jaime ends up at the Wyndham at the same time Andre says Joran and Guido coincidently stepped out of the casino. 

I have often believed they may have been meeting Jaime in the parking lot.

Would the Columbian ties come from Jamie then?  Is Jamie from Columbia and is his family tied into a cartel of some sorts?  (guess most families in Columbia are tied into drugs in some shape or form-guess this is a stupid question on my part).

Yes, he is Colombian.  As for his family...I'm working on that.
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« Reply #833 on: January 03, 2009, 12:55:20 PM »


I thought the $400 dollars was such a round about number?I think i'd take more then $400 dollars for my service!

According to Andre that is about the amount of money Joran won the next day...and the amount of money Joran said was missing from the "bag of money" he claims was given to him for selling Natalee.
They seem to be stuck on $400.

Good point.  I wouldn't have thought of that....but I'm not an analyst. 

This was said because I read your posts...

I knew why it was said.
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« Reply #834 on: January 03, 2009, 01:03:09 PM »

Saying he is Colombian or Venezuelan on Aruba is like saying he is Mexican in California. 
Of course there is a connection.. There always is.
These people travel back and forth and do business in these 2 countries ALL the time.
There is no secret connection ..It is a daily connection.. 
Families are intertwined like onion rings in this part of the world.
They should build a monorail system, I am sure it is on Hugo's list of things to build after he takes control of Colombia and the ABC islands..

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« Reply #835 on: January 03, 2009, 01:06:44 PM »

Conspiracy? The whole friggin thing since 5-30-2005 has been one giant conspiracy cloak behind the mask of sovereignty.

I thought everyone knew that.

Paulus at CMB -> ask Armin Solongier - he WORKS THERE.

Jossy - when his story is told, jaws will drop. I kid you not. And he even told YOU all most of it. Who owns three islands? Who needs Aruba when a pipeline can juss as easily go to an off shore island?

Who is owed 7.4 million florins by the MEP / Aruban Authorities for over taxation? He told - IT'S HIM.

Who bides his time? He told you - it's him.




Is Jossy very,very bad???Ohh geez...

according Jamie Skeeters - he's the head of the cartel. that's Jamie's answer.

Another thing to be said about Jossy is that he LOVES Aruba. Above finding answers to what happened to Natalee.....he loves Aruba.
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« Reply #836 on: January 03, 2009, 01:07:03 PM »

Saying he is Colombian or Venezuelan on Aruba is like saying he is Mexican in California. 
Of course there is a connection.. There always is.
These people travel back and forth and do business in these 2 countries ALL the time.
There is no secret connection ..It is a daily connection.. 
Families are intertwined like onion rings in this part of the world.
They should build a monorail system, I am sure it is on Hugo's list of things to build after he takes control of Colombia and the ABC islands..



I guess what I am getting at would it be Jamie who was paid to dispose of the body or would he be someone in his family maybe still living in Columbia that was paid to do it?
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« Reply #837 on: January 03, 2009, 01:08:27 PM »

Does anyone remember where Daury and Ramona Rodriguez are from....Just Curious? TIA
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« Reply #838 on: January 03, 2009, 01:09:24 PM »

Saying he is Colombian or Venezuelan on Aruba is like saying he is Mexican in CaliforniaTrue
Of course there is a connection.. There always is.
These people travel back and forth and do business in these 2 countries ALL the time.
There is no secret connection ..It is a daily connection..  Never said it was a secret...on Aruba.  Is it all fully understood here, though?  Look how long it took just to figure out some of the names for who we now believe to be important ties to this whole thing.  Lorenzo's name and face were a mystery for a very long time as was Guido's.
Families are intertwined like onion rings in this part of the world.
They should build a monorail system, I am sure it is on Hugo's list of things to build after he takes control of Colombia and the ABC islands..



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« Reply #839 on: January 03, 2009, 01:10:05 PM »

I have just finished reading pages and pages.  I am feeling really uncomfortable about the FBI involvement, or lack of.  We have heard that Quantico was on board, no FBI was onboard, FBI from Barbados were involved, things were sent daily, things were sent only on 12/30, things were never sent, photographs were sent immediately, nothing was sent, photographs were sent in September, Beth was upset and sought counsel from someone she trusts, and Jug says that nothing was wrong.  Just like draining the pond the other day, this information doesn't add up.  I have a few things that I just am not comfortable about.  Has Kyle been the only source of information detailing FBI involvement?  The Freebirds are reporting Kyle's dates of FBI involvement, yet ldstlou is also reporting Kyle's dates of involvement and they are not the same.  Kermit reported sending information to the FBI in September and that seems to be the only FBI contact that hasn't been disputed.  I would like to see some kind of a breakdown from 12/25 when the cage was first discovered until September when Kermit submitted photographs.

Kermit, Jan, or another Freebird - did anyone compile or would someone compile a timeline of when Kyle reported to you that he had contact with the FBI, either onboard or electronically?

ldstlou - could you put together a timeline from Kyle's information or with his help that would specify when he had contact or had knowledge of contact with the FBI, onboard or electronically?  Dates would be not only helpful, but also needed at this point for clarification.

I think it would be very helpful to see a specific comparison of the two timelines, if for no other reason than because the information source is the same person.  Have I confused everyone?
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