Natalee Case Discussion #789 1/1/09 - 1/3/09

[Blue Moon]

Does anyone remember where Daury and Ramona Rodriguez are from....Just Curious? TIA

A google search says he is a 21 year old Aruban.

[truthseeker2]

Saying he is Colombian or Venezuelan on Aruba is like saying he is Mexican in California. 
Of course there is a connection.. There always is.
These people travel back and forth and do business in these 2 countries ALL the time.
There is no secret connection ..It is a daily connection.. 
Families are intertwined like onion rings in this part of the world.
They should build a monorail system, I am sure it is on Hugo's list of things to build after he takes control of Colombia and the ABC islands..

I guess what I am getting at would it be Jamie who was paid to dispose of the body or would he be someone in his family maybe still living in Columbia that was paid to do it?

Good questions. Blue.  If not that, was the porn operation really Jaime's little business with the rest of the pimps serving as his minions?  Was jaime the 'leader of the pimps" sotospeak?

[hotping]

Does anyone remember where Daury and Ramona Rodriguez are from....Just Curious? TIA

A google search says he is a 21 year old Aruban.

Thanks!

[SS]

Yes, I do think there could be a Colombian connection.  I started that line of thinking over a year ago and located an individual there with Aruba ties.  I also thought it odd that three nights in a row you Joran and Deepak admittedly together, but none of those times did they admit being with Freddy or Jaime.  Freddy and Jaime along with the Gottenbos bros. were the closer friends.  The statement given by Jaime is curious because of the timing of the phone calls from Joran.  Also, on 5/30 Jaime ends up at the Wyndham at the same time Andre says Joran and Guido coincidently stepped out of the casino. 

I have often believed they may have been meeting Jaime in the parking lot.

Would the Columbian ties come from Jamie then?  Is Jamie from Columbia and is his family tied into a cartel of some sorts?  (guess most families in Columbia are tied into drugs in some shape or form-guess this is a stupid question on my part).

Yes, he is Colombian.  As for his family...I'm working on that.

Jamie lived with his dad and there were some money problems.  Jamie's mother died before Natalee disappeared.  Joran reported that Jamie's mom was the first dead body that he had seen.

[Keepthefaith]

Saying he is Colombian or Venezuelan on Aruba is like saying he is Mexican in California. 
Of course there is a connection.. There always is.
These people travel back and forth and do business in these 2 countries ALL the time.
There is no secret connection ..It is a daily connection.. 
Families are intertwined like onion rings in this part of the world.
They should build a monorail system, I am sure it is on Hugo's list of things to build after he takes control of Colombia and the ABC islands..

I guess what I am getting at would it be Jamie who was paid to dispose of the body or would he be someone in his family maybe still living in Columbia that was paid to do it?

Good questions. Blue.  If not that, was the porn operation really Jaime's little business with the rest of the pimps serving as his minions?  Was jaime the 'leader of the pimps" sotospeak?

One would think the Van Der Sloot's are to Elitist to dispose of Natalee.It would seem that would be beneath them?If that makes any sense?

[bleachedblack]

Must be a slow day at CnG  

 

Apparently everyday's a slow day there, they are all here lurking!  Then they draw straws for the next drive by! 

Welcome, 

[billb's daughter]

LDSTLOU,
Again, I think you have failed to follow EVERY detail and words of Kyle himself. Kyle has stated that John S. had NO interest in the trap -- in fact he told Kyle "to never bring up the trap" again! Kyle told Freebirds that John S. has NEW business dealings in Aruba. Beth's brother (private eye) was flabbergasted to find out about the Jan. 7th pics in MARCH! That is NOT IMMEDIATELY. Kyle had no responsibilty to turn over ALL pics????? Well, he sure had responsibility to SELL the pics in February!

John did not believe Natalee was in that trap. They had other targets they had located and he wanted to focus on the other targets that were possibilites. Remember, they identified quite a few other possible targets that they were eager to look into. It wasn't because he was hiding anything in the trap, he felt they had eliminated the possibility that it was Natalee and wanet to get to other possibilities.

Eager to look into, so eager they begged for donations one day while they were packing to leave at the same time. 

So eager to look into...................eager to follow Richardson's instructions - go out into deeper water, away from the trap.  Yeah - that's the ticket!

Meanwhile - Dutch/Aruban coast guard is at the trap site two days in a row - for a good amount of time.

Coincidence? 

Jen...Kermit...Has anything been determined on what the Dutch/Aruban coast guard was doing at the cage site? (I think I remember that they were there at the cage on Jan 10, 11?). If so, that was well after the supposedly collection of the contents by the Aruban divers on Jan 7.
Just thinking out loud here, but so much focus has been on the 7th being the day the contents were taken..could that be to distract from what the Dutch/Aruban coast guard were doing on the 10th, 11th? I guess I'm stuck on trying to figure out what the coast guard was doing if the contents were already removed on the 7th...

[Blue Moon]

Saying he is Colombian or Venezuelan on Aruba is like saying he is Mexican in California. 
Of course there is a connection.. There always is.
These people travel back and forth and do business in these 2 countries ALL the time.
There is no secret connection ..It is a daily connection.. 
Families are intertwined like onion rings in this part of the world.
They should build a monorail system, I am sure it is on Hugo's list of things to build after he takes control of Colombia and the ABC islands..

I guess what I am getting at would it be Jamie who was paid to dispose of the body or would he be someone in his family maybe still living in Columbia that was paid to do it?

Good questions. Blue.  If not that, was the porn operation really Jaime's little business with the rest of the pimps serving as his minions?  Was jaime the 'leader of the pimps" sotospeak?

I guess I haven't thought along the lines of the Pimp business cause I have really thought most of this was drug related (like in the fact that Natalee was given a date-rape drug probably more than should have been given to her).  But I guess the Pimp business, porn videos, drugs all tie in together.  This was a simple crime BUT the underlying reasons for the coverup has nothing to do with a gang rape of a girl named Natalee from Alabama. (JMO)

[SS]

* Arlene Ellis-Schipper is a board of directors for CMB bank http://www.cmbnv.com/directors.php
* Paulus van der Sloot went to the CMB bank twice the day after Natalee was kidnapped by his son
* Lincoln Gomez and Nilo Swean are financial guys on the boards of these banks
(I'm going to add to this original post that the banks are significant to follow the money)
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4186.520


Anita's email was SETAR

Anita van der Sloot email:
> > > > >(i edited) @setarnet.aw

SO IS Gottenbos
Email: ica@setarnet.aw

The 100 million dollars that Croes is talking about is the tax exemption or tax holiday that the refinery currently has. “Setar pays every year 75 million florins in taxes”, said Croes.
http://tinyurl.com/qefda
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4186.620


If we can unlock what Paulus was doing at that bank,who he spoke with and why?I know it's been gone over a thousand times but it drives me bananas....

Truthseeker2!Do you have any lineage on Gomez and Swean??

Sorry, my son just called.  Needed to talk to him.  He left going back to school last night and it's an eight hour drive.


I did some checking on them months ago, but it is on another computer.  They haven't been a main focus for me yet as I was very interested in a particular individual in Colombia with possible Aruban ties. 

I'm sure you will understand, especially after what I have seen here over the last few weeks, until I have complete info I think I'm just going to step back a little and not post so much here.  People have a particular line of thought here and I seem to be a bit disruptive.

But, thanks for the conversation last night.  I do miss the variety of subject matter here, but I understand if most would prefer to stay with the one topic.

Truth, Do you think there are Columbian ties, maybe Paulus paid a Columbian drug dealer to dispose of Natalee's body in the trap? Maybe some truth to a little Joran told Great about the payoff of $10,000 less $400 (the amount Paulus seems to have deposited into the bank for Joran).  Maybe Paulus did make that deposit as well as a withdrawal at the same time.

I thought the $400 dollars was such a round about number?I think i'd take more then $400 dollars for my service!

KTF - the $400 jumped out at me.  People would be killed in a drug deal if the payoff was missing $400.  I just can't accept that it would be an OK thing in a sex slave deal.  I have wondered if Urine has been receiving a blackmail or hush money payoff and the money he has received was short $400.  Could that statement to Greta have been a warning to someone?

[Blue Moon]

LDSTLOU,
Again, I think you have failed to follow EVERY detail and words of Kyle himself. Kyle has stated that John S. had NO interest in the trap -- in fact he told Kyle "to never bring up the trap" again! Kyle told Freebirds that John S. has NEW business dealings in Aruba. Beth's brother (private eye) was flabbergasted to find out about the Jan. 7th pics in MARCH! That is NOT IMMEDIATELY. Kyle had no responsibilty to turn over ALL pics????? Well, he sure had responsibility to SELL the pics in February!

John did not believe Natalee was in that trap. They had other targets they had located and he wanted to focus on the other targets that were possibilites. Remember, they identified quite a few other possible targets that they were eager to look into. It wasn't because he was hiding anything in the trap, he felt they had eliminated the possibility that it was Natalee and wanet to get to other possibilities.

Eager to look into, so eager they begged for donations one day while they were packing to leave at the same time. 

So eager to look into...................eager to follow Richardson's instructions - go out into deeper water, away from the trap.  Yeah - that's the ticket!

Meanwhile - Dutch/Aruban coast guard is at the trap site two days in a row - for a good amount of time.

Coincidence? 

Jen...Kermit...Has anything been determined on what the Dutch/Aruban coast guard was doing at the cage site? (I think I remember that they were there at the cage on Jan 10, 11?). If so, that was well after the supposedly collection of the contents by the Aruban divers on Jan 7.
Just thinking out loud here, but so much focus has been on the 7th being the day the contents were taken..could that be to distract from what the Dutch/Aruban coast guard were doing on the 10th, 11th? I guess I'm stuck on trying to figure out what the coast guard was doing if the contents were already removed on the 7th...

One other thing I did not understand was the coast guard boarding the boat and Kyle putting up the video of them "showing off" for the camera.  That video showed someone leaving the boat and then they made that "impressive" (NOT) drive by the ship.  I remember we were a little concerned by the boat and Kyle spent time telling us how they were of like minds when it came to Natalee.

[SS]

Does anyone remember where Daury and Ramona Rodriguez are from....Just Curious? TIA

A google search says he is a 21 year old Aruban.

Ramona is originally from the Dominican Republic, I believe.  Both of them are well cared for right now in NJ prisons.

[texasmom]

LDSTLOU,
Again, I think you have failed to follow EVERY detail and words of Kyle himself. Kyle has stated that John S. had NO interest in the trap -- in fact he told Kyle "to never bring up the trap" again! Kyle told Freebirds that John S. has NEW business dealings in Aruba. Beth's brother (private eye) was flabbergasted to find out about the Jan. 7th pics in MARCH! That is NOT IMMEDIATELY. Kyle had no responsibilty to turn over ALL pics????? Well, he sure had responsibility to SELL the pics in February!

John did not believe Natalee was in that trap. They had other targets they had located and he wanted to focus on the other targets that were possibilites. Remember, they identified quite a few other possible targets that they were eager to look into. It wasn't because he was hiding anything in the trap, he felt they had eliminated the possibility that it was Natalee and wanet to get to other possibilities.

Eager to look into, so eager they begged for donations one day while they were packing to leave at the same time. 

So eager to look into...................eager to follow Richardson's instructions - go out into deeper water, away from the trap.  Yeah - that's the ticket!

Meanwhile - Dutch/Aruban coast guard is at the trap site two days in a row - for a good amount of time.

Coincidence? 

Jen...Kermit...Has anything been determined on what the Dutch/Aruban coast guard was doing at the cage site? (I think I remember that they were there at the cage on Jan 10, 11?). If so, that was well after the supposedly collection of the contents by the Aruban divers on Jan 7.
Just thinking out loud here, but so much focus has been on the 7th being the day the contents were taken..could that be to distract from what the Dutch/Aruban coast guard were doing on the 10th, 11th? I guess I'm stuck on trying to figure out what the coast guard was doing if the contents were already removed on the 7th...

My thoughts on this billb,
In one of Kyle's posts here, he said that talk of obtaining some type of vacuum equipment to sweep around/in the cage for evidence was discussed.  I'm thinking maybe they were there collecting the rest of the evidence other than maybe the entire trap.

[Blue Moon]

* Arlene Ellis-Schipper is a board of directors for CMB bank http://www.cmbnv.com/directors.php
* Paulus van der Sloot went to the CMB bank twice the day after Natalee was kidnapped by his son
* Lincoln Gomez and Nilo Swean are financial guys on the boards of these banks
(I'm going to add to this original post that the banks are significant to follow the money)
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4186.520


Anita's email was SETAR

Anita van der Sloot email:
> > > > >(i edited) @setarnet.aw

SO IS Gottenbos
Email: ica@setarnet.aw

The 100 million dollars that Croes is talking about is the tax exemption or tax holiday that the refinery currently has. “Setar pays every year 75 million florins in taxes”, said Croes.
http://tinyurl.com/qefda
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4186.620


If we can unlock what Paulus was doing at that bank,who he spoke with and why?I know it's been gone over a thousand times but it drives me bananas....

Truthseeker2!Do you have any lineage on Gomez and Swean??

Sorry, my son just called.  Needed to talk to him.  He left going back to school last night and it's an eight hour drive.


I did some checking on them months ago, but it is on another computer.  They haven't been a main focus for me yet as I was very interested in a particular individual in Colombia with possible Aruban ties. 

I'm sure you will understand, especially after what I have seen here over the last few weeks, until I have complete info I think I'm just going to step back a little and not post so much here.  People have a particular line of thought here and I seem to be a bit disruptive.

But, thanks for the conversation last night.  I do miss the variety of subject matter here, but I understand if most would prefer to stay with the one topic.

Truth, Do you think there are Columbian ties, maybe Paulus paid a Columbian drug dealer to dispose of Natalee's body in the trap? Maybe some truth to a little Joran told Great about the payoff of $10,000 less $400 (the amount Paulus seems to have deposited into the bank for Joran).  Maybe Paulus did make that deposit as well as a withdrawal at the same time.

I thought the $400 dollars was such a round about number?I think i'd take more then $400 dollars for my service!

KTF - the $400 jumped out at me.  People would be killed in a drug deal if the payoff was missing $400.  I just can't accept that it would be an OK thing in a sex slave deal.  I have wondered if Urine has been receiving a blackmail or hush money payoff and the money he has received was short $400.  Could that statement to Greta have been a warning to someone?

That's what I believe it is.  Also, it could be that Joran was telling "someone" listening to the video he needed MORE money and it better be forthcoming NOW.

[truthseeker2]

Yes, I do think there could be a Colombian connection.  I started that line of thinking over a year ago and located an individual there with Aruba ties.  I also thought it odd that three nights in a row you Joran and Deepak admittedly together, but none of those times did they admit being with Freddy or Jaime.  Freddy and Jaime along with the Gottenbos bros. were the closer friends.  The statement given by Jaime is curious because of the timing of the phone calls from Joran.  Also, on 5/30 Jaime ends up at the Wyndham at the same time Andre says Joran and Guido coincidently stepped out of the casino. 

I have often believed they may have been meeting Jaime in the parking lot.

Would the Columbian ties come from Jamie then?  Is Jamie from Columbia and is his family tied into a cartel of some sorts?  (guess most families in Columbia are tied into drugs in some shape or form-guess this is a stupid question on my part).

Yes, he is Colombian.  As for his family...I'm working on that.

Jamie lived with his dad and there were some money problems.  Jamie's mother died before Natalee disappeared.  Joran reported that Jamie's mom was the first dead body that he had seen.

Yeah, I saw that from Joran's book translations.  I think Jaime moved in with his sister.  In his statement they only say he was born in Colombia.  The rest is the school he attended on Aruba.

If the family was having financial issues, extra money from another 'job' could come in handy.  (speculation)

[klaasend]

Saying he is Colombian or Venezuelan on Aruba is like saying he is Mexican in California. True
Of course there is a connection.. There always is.
These people travel back and forth and do business in these 2 countries ALL the time.
There is no secret connection ..It is a daily connection..  Never said it was a secret...on Aruba.  Is it all fully understood here, though?  Look how long it took just to figure out some of the names for who we now believe to be important ties to this whole thing.  Lorenzo's name and face were a mystery for a very long time as was Guido's.
Families are intertwined like onion rings in this part of the world.
They should build a monorail system, I am sure it is on Hugo's list of things to build after he takes control of Colombia and the ABC islands..

We have always known Lorenzo's name.  Guido Wever was more effectively hidden in the beginning.  Neither Lorenzo or Guido are Columbian or Venezuelan however.

[Keepthefaith]

LDSTLOU,
Again, I think you have failed to follow EVERY detail and words of Kyle himself. Kyle has stated that John S. had NO interest in the trap -- in fact he told Kyle "to never bring up the trap" again! Kyle told Freebirds that John S. has NEW business dealings in Aruba. Beth's brother (private eye) was flabbergasted to find out about the Jan. 7th pics in MARCH! That is NOT IMMEDIATELY. Kyle had no responsibilty to turn over ALL pics????? Well, he sure had responsibility to SELL the pics in February!

John did not believe Natalee was in that trap. They had other targets they had located and he wanted to focus on the other targets that were possibilites. Remember, they identified quite a few other possible targets that they were eager to look into. It wasn't because he was hiding anything in the trap, he felt they had eliminated the possibility that it was Natalee and wanet to get to other possibilities.

Eager to look into, so eager they begged for donations one day while they were packing to leave at the same time. 

So eager to look into...................eager to follow Richardson's instructions - go out into deeper water, away from the trap.  Yeah - that's the ticket!

Meanwhile - Dutch/Aruban coast guard is at the trap site two days in a row - for a good amount of time.

Coincidence? 

Jen...Kermit...Has anything been determined on what the Dutch/Aruban coast guard was doing at the cage site? (I think I remember that they were there at the cage on Jan 10, 11?). If so, that was well after the supposedly collection of the contents by the Aruban divers on Jan 7.
Just thinking out loud here, but so much focus has been on the 7th being the day the contents were taken..could that be to distract from what the Dutch/Aruban coast guard were doing on the 10th, 11th? I guess I'm stuck on trying to figure out what the coast guard was doing if the contents were already removed on the 7th...

My thoughts on this billb,
In one of Kyle's posts here, he said that talk of obtaining some type of vacuum equipment to sweep around/in the cage for evidence was discussed.  I'm thinking maybe they were there collecting the rest of the evidence other than maybe the entire trap.

Bingo.That was my thought.Wouldn't the Persistence have waited to pump all the sand within a acre or 2 of the cage in a grid like format?

[Keepthefaith]

* Arlene Ellis-Schipper is a board of directors for CMB bank http://www.cmbnv.com/directors.php
* Paulus van der Sloot went to the CMB bank twice the day after Natalee was kidnapped by his son
* Lincoln Gomez and Nilo Swean are financial guys on the boards of these banks
(I'm going to add to this original post that the banks are significant to follow the money)
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4186.520


Anita's email was SETAR

Anita van der Sloot email:
> > > > >(i edited) @setarnet.aw

SO IS Gottenbos
Email: ica@setarnet.aw

The 100 million dollars that Croes is talking about is the tax exemption or tax holiday that the refinery currently has. “Setar pays every year 75 million florins in taxes”, said Croes.
http://tinyurl.com/qefda
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4186.620


If we can unlock what Paulus was doing at that bank,who he spoke with and why?I know it's been gone over a thousand times but it drives me bananas....

Truthseeker2!Do you have any lineage on Gomez and Swean??

Sorry, my son just called.  Needed to talk to him.  He left going back to school last night and it's an eight hour drive.


I did some checking on them months ago, but it is on another computer.  They haven't been a main focus for me yet as I was very interested in a particular individual in Colombia with possible Aruban ties. 

I'm sure you will understand, especially after what I have seen here over the last few weeks, until I have complete info I think I'm just going to step back a little and not post so much here.  People have a particular line of thought here and I seem to be a bit disruptive.

But, thanks for the conversation last night.  I do miss the variety of subject matter here, but I understand if most would prefer to stay with the one topic.

Truth, Do you think there are Columbian ties, maybe Paulus paid a Columbian drug dealer to dispose of Natalee's body in the trap? Maybe some truth to a little Joran told Great about the payoff of $10,000 less $400 (the amount Paulus seems to have deposited into the bank for Joran).  Maybe Paulus did make that deposit as well as a withdrawal at the same time.

I thought the $400 dollars was such a round about number?I think i'd take more then $400 dollars for my service!

KTF - the $400 jumped out at me.  People would be killed in a drug deal if the payoff was missing $400.  I just can't accept that it would be an OK thing in a sex slave deal.  I have wondered if Urine has been receiving a blackmail or hush money payoff and the money he has received was short $400.  Could that statement to Greta have been a warning to someone?

Do we really believe Joran counted every dollar and came to the conclusion that $400 dollars was missing??

[Tamikosmom]

GOOD MORNING MONKEYS!!!

Janet
10:25 AM PT

[texasmom]

billb, I still wonder why 2 separate days; and less than an hour each day.  Of course that may have just been the times that Kyle witnessed them there from his vantage point on the beach.  Who knows maybe they made several trips out there before and after Kyle reportedly saw them.

[Keepthefaith]

GOOD MORNING MONKEYS!!!

Janet
10:25 AM PT

Good Morning Janet!