Natalee Case Discussion #789 1/1/09 - 1/3/09

[hotping]

Does anyone remember where Daury and Ramona Rodriguez are from....Just Curious? TIA

A google search says he is a 21 year old Aruban.

Ramona is originally from the Dominican Republic, I believe.  Both of them are well cared for right now in NJ prisons.

Thanks! Yes They Are!

[texasmom]

GOOD MORNING MONKEYS!!!

Janet
10:25 AM PT

Good morning Janet!    

[truthseeker2]

Saying he is Colombian or Venezuelan on Aruba is like saying he is Mexican in California. 
Of course there is a connection.. There always is.
These people travel back and forth and do business in these 2 countries ALL the time.
There is no secret connection ..It is a daily connection.. 
Families are intertwined like onion rings in this part of the world.
They should build a monorail system, I am sure it is on Hugo's list of things to build after he takes control of Colombia and the ABC islands..

I guess what I am getting at would it be Jamie who was paid to dispose of the body or would he be someone in his family maybe still living in Columbia that was paid to do it?

Good questions. Blue.  If not that, was the porn operation really Jaime's little business with the rest of the pimps serving as his minions?  Was jaime the 'leader of the pimps" sotospeak?

I guess I haven't thought along the lines of the Pimp business cause I have really thought most of this was drug related (like in the fact that Natalee was given a date-rape drug probably more than should have been given to her).  But I guess the Pimp business, porn videos, drugs all tie in together.  This was a simple crime BUT the underlying reasons for the coverup has nothing to do with a gang rape of a girl named Natalee from Alabama. (JMO)

 You may be right, Blue.  The motive for the coverup may have been as simple as well, initially.  But, the magnitude of it now is astonsihing to me.  The entire population of Aruba has been affected by this for a very long time.  For what?  To protect Joran and his father?  A 'simple' crime in that it was not part of something elaborate, but a huge coverup.

You would think at least after the first year they would have realized they had to end this even if they only gave up Joran.  But they didn't.  Are they afraid of Paulus?  I just don't think so.  Joran and Paulus can be proven liars.  Anything they say could be dismissed on Aruba as BS.

The coverup is big.  I hope Brinkman can put at least a dint in it.

[billb's daughter]

LDSTLOU,
Again, I think you have failed to follow EVERY detail and words of Kyle himself. Kyle has stated that John S. had NO interest in the trap -- in fact he told Kyle "to never bring up the trap" again! Kyle told Freebirds that John S. has NEW business dealings in Aruba. Beth's brother (private eye) was flabbergasted to find out about the Jan. 7th pics in MARCH! That is NOT IMMEDIATELY. Kyle had no responsibilty to turn over ALL pics????? Well, he sure had responsibility to SELL the pics in February!

John did not believe Natalee was in that trap. They had other targets they had located and he wanted to focus on the other targets that were possibilites. Remember, they identified quite a few other possible targets that they were eager to look into. It wasn't because he was hiding anything in the trap, he felt they had eliminated the possibility that it was Natalee and wanet to get to other possibilities.

Eager to look into, so eager they begged for donations one day while they were packing to leave at the same time. 

So eager to look into...................eager to follow Richardson's instructions - go out into deeper water, away from the trap.  Yeah - that's the ticket!

Meanwhile - Dutch/Aruban coast guard is at the trap site two days in a row - for a good amount of time.

Coincidence? 

Jen...Kermit...Has anything been determined on what the Dutch/Aruban coast guard was doing at the cage site? (I think I remember that they were there at the cage on Jan 10, 11?). If so, that was well after the supposedly collection of the contents by the Aruban divers on Jan 7.
Just thinking out loud here, but so much focus has been on the 7th being the day the contents were taken..could that be to distract from what the Dutch/Aruban coast guard were doing on the 10th, 11th? I guess I'm stuck on trying to figure out what the coast guard was doing if the contents were already removed on the 7th...

My thoughts on this billb,
In one of Kyle's posts here, he said that talk of obtaining some type of vacuum equipment to sweep around/in the cage for evidence was discussed.  I'm thinking maybe they were there collecting the rest of the evidence other than maybe the entire trap.

Bingo.That was my thought.Wouldn't the Persistence have waited to pump all the sand within a acre or 2 of the cage in a grid like format?

Blue Moon, TM KTF...
Yes..you comments are also some thoughts I'm wondering about. It just seems that they hasn't been any public attention on the coast guard involvement...all the attention has been on the aruban divers on jan7th....
If vacuuming was the motive, I would think more would be made of it, as I believe they could be a LOT of evidence to be shifted out of the sand within a measurable distance around/outside the cage.
I just find it interesting that this hasn't been discussed more....makes be wonder what's up..

[SS]

Saying he is Colombian or Venezuelan on Aruba is like saying he is Mexican in California. 
Of course there is a connection.. There always is.
These people travel back and forth and do business in these 2 countries ALL the time.
There is no secret connection ..It is a daily connection.. 
Families are intertwined like onion rings in this part of the world.
They should build a monorail system, I am sure it is on Hugo's list of things to build after he takes control of Colombia and the ABC islands..

I guess what I am getting at would it be Jamie who was paid to dispose of the body or would he be someone in his family maybe still living in Columbia that was paid to do it?

Good questions. Blue.  If not that, was the porn operation really Jaime's little business with the rest of the pimps serving as his minions?  Was jaime the 'leader of the pimps" sotospeak?

I thought the leader was Renfro!   

[texasmom]

Must be a slow day at CnG  

 

Apparently everyday's a slow day there, they are all here lurking!  Then they draw straws for the next drive by! 

Welcome, 

    

[Tamikosmom]

What is wrong with this picture?

Janet

______

JAIME CARRASQUILLA

Joran Van der Sloot
Suspect Statement
June 9, 2005

I did not make an agreement with the girl as to how late I would meet them at Carlos & Charlies. After that I walked outside through the casino and when I got outside I called my father from my mobile phone which has the number "REMOVED" on the mobile phone of my mother. My mother has a mobile phone with the number "REMOVED". I called my father on that phone because my mother was outside of the country and my father had her phone in his possession. When I called my father it was approximately 23.00 hours. I told my father that I was ready and if he could come and pick me up at "Mc Donalds". After that I had called my friend "Jaime CARASQUILLA" on his mobile phone.


Jaime Carrasquilla
Witness Statement
June 17, 2005

On May 29th 2005, between the hours of 16.00 and 19.00, I was called by Joran on my mobile phone with the phone number .

Joran had asked me whether I wanted to go out with him that night. He told me that a few American girls would go to "Carlos & Charlies" and whether I wanted to meet up with him there

[Edward]

She does look like a worn out porn star.. 

[Tamikosmom]

Must be a slow day at CnG  

 

Apparently everyday's a slow day there, they are all here lurking!  Then they draw straws for the next drive by! 

WHAT???

[Blue Moon]

I also hope Hero Brinkman can bring about some answers for this family. But he has a lot against him right now and he is not a popular person in the Antilles.  He is stirring the pot and I don't think the powers-that-be in Aruba will allow him to expose anything on that hell-hole island.  This simple crime has to involve the mob, Venezula and Columbia all three cause to me having those 3 involved in this would be a very good reason NOT to expose Joran and Paulus.  And I do agree Paulus is not powerful enough to control this whole investigation and all the people involved in Natalee's murder.

[Keepthefaith]

LDSTLOU,
Again, I think you have failed to follow EVERY detail and words of Kyle himself. Kyle has stated that John S. had NO interest in the trap -- in fact he told Kyle "to never bring up the trap" again! Kyle told Freebirds that John S. has NEW business dealings in Aruba. Beth's brother (private eye) was flabbergasted to find out about the Jan. 7th pics in MARCH! That is NOT IMMEDIATELY. Kyle had no responsibilty to turn over ALL pics????? Well, he sure had responsibility to SELL the pics in February!

John did not believe Natalee was in that trap. They had other targets they had located and he wanted to focus on the other targets that were possibilites. Remember, they identified quite a few other possible targets that they were eager to look into. It wasn't because he was hiding anything in the trap, he felt they had eliminated the possibility that it was Natalee and wanet to get to other possibilities.

Eager to look into, so eager they begged for donations one day while they were packing to leave at the same time. 

So eager to look into...................eager to follow Richardson's instructions - go out into deeper water, away from the trap.  Yeah - that's the ticket!

Meanwhile - Dutch/Aruban coast guard is at the trap site two days in a row - for a good amount of time.

Coincidence? 

Jen...Kermit...Has anything been determined on what the Dutch/Aruban coast guard was doing at the cage site? (I think I remember that they were there at the cage on Jan 10, 11?). If so, that was well after the supposedly collection of the contents by the Aruban divers on Jan 7.
Just thinking out loud here, but so much focus has been on the 7th being the day the contents were taken..could that be to distract from what the Dutch/Aruban coast guard were doing on the 10th, 11th? I guess I'm stuck on trying to figure out what the coast guard was doing if the contents were already removed on the 7th...

My thoughts on this billb,
In one of Kyle's posts here, he said that talk of obtaining some type of vacuum equipment to sweep around/in the cage for evidence was discussed.  I'm thinking maybe they were there collecting the rest of the evidence other than maybe the entire trap.

Bingo.That was my thought.Wouldn't the Persistence have waited to pump all the sand within a acre or 2 of the cage in a grid like format?

Blue Moon, TM KTF...
Yes..you comments are also some thoughts I'm wondering about. It just seems that they hasn't been any public attention on the coast guard involvement...all the attention has been on the aruban divers on jan7th....
If vacuuming was the motive, I would think more would be made of it, as I believe they could be a LOT of evidence to be shifted out of the sand within a measurable distance around/outside the cage.
I just find it interesting that this hasn't been discussed more....makes be wonder what's up..

If there weren't remains in that cage why would the coast gaurd be out there?There would be no need correct?

[truthseeker2]

* Arlene Ellis-Schipper is a board of directors for CMB bank http://www.cmbnv.com/directors.php
* Paulus van der Sloot went to the CMB bank twice the day after Natalee was kidnapped by his son
* Lincoln Gomez and Nilo Swean are financial guys on the boards of these banks
(I'm going to add to this original post that the banks are significant to follow the money)
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4186.520


Anita's email was SETAR

Anita van der Sloot email:
> > > > >(i edited) @setarnet.aw

SO IS Gottenbos
Email: ica@setarnet.aw

The 100 million dollars that Croes is talking about is the tax exemption or tax holiday that the refinery currently has. “Setar pays every year 75 million florins in taxes”, said Croes.
http://tinyurl.com/qefda
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4186.620


If we can unlock what Paulus was doing at that bank,who he spoke with and why?I know it's been gone over a thousand times but it drives me bananas....

Truthseeker2!Do you have any lineage on Gomez and Swean??

Sorry, my son just called.  Needed to talk to him.  He left going back to school last night and it's an eight hour drive.


I did some checking on them months ago, but it is on another computer.  They haven't been a main focus for me yet as I was very interested in a particular individual in Colombia with possible Aruban ties. 

I'm sure you will understand, especially after what I have seen here over the last few weeks, until I have complete info I think I'm just going to step back a little and not post so much here.  People have a particular line of thought here and I seem to be a bit disruptive.

But, thanks for the conversation last night.  I do miss the variety of subject matter here, but I understand if most would prefer to stay with the one topic.

Truth, Do you think there are Columbian ties, maybe Paulus paid a Columbian drug dealer to dispose of Natalee's body in the trap? Maybe some truth to a little Joran told Great about the payoff of $10,000 less $400 (the amount Paulus seems to have deposited into the bank for Joran).  Maybe Paulus did make that deposit as well as a withdrawal at the same time.

I thought the $400 dollars was such a round about number?I think i'd take more then $400 dollars for my service!

KTF - the $400 jumped out at me.  People would be killed in a drug deal if the payoff was missing $400.  I just can't accept that it would be an OK thing in a sex slave deal.  I have wondered if Urine has been receiving a blackmail or hush money payoff and the money he has received was short $400.  Could that statement to Greta have been a warning to someone?

Do we really believe Joran counted every dollar and came to the conclusion that $400 dollars was missing??

LOL.  I don't.  But, the fact that amount comes up often is curious to me.  It's in Andre's statement and he used it with Greta.  Andre's statement says after winning about $400US Joran immediately cashes in his chips.  Joran says he cashed in because Andrea and Deepak said they were not having fun anymore.  That is not what Andre said.

[Blue Moon]

Does anyone remember where Daury and Ramona Rodriguez are from....Just Curious? TIA

A google search says he is a 21 year old Aruban.

Ramona is originally from the Dominican Republic, I believe.  Both of them are well cared for right now in NJ prisons.

Thanks! Yes They Are!

His Member page (don't know if it is a myspace page) says he is from Columbia.

http://www.partypeeps2000.com/members/DRzzz.aspx

[billb's daughter]

LDSTLOU,
Again, I think you have failed to follow EVERY detail and words of Kyle himself. Kyle has stated that John S. had NO interest in the trap -- in fact he told Kyle "to never bring up the trap" again! Kyle told Freebirds that John S. has NEW business dealings in Aruba. Beth's brother (private eye) was flabbergasted to find out about the Jan. 7th pics in MARCH! That is NOT IMMEDIATELY. Kyle had no responsibilty to turn over ALL pics????? Well, he sure had responsibility to SELL the pics in February!

John did not believe Natalee was in that trap. They had other targets they had located and he wanted to focus on the other targets that were possibilites. Remember, they identified quite a few other possible targets that they were eager to look into. It wasn't because he was hiding anything in the trap, he felt they had eliminated the possibility that it was Natalee and wanet to get to other possibilities.

Eager to look into, so eager they begged for donations one day while they were packing to leave at the same time. 

So eager to look into...................eager to follow Richardson's instructions - go out into deeper water, away from the trap.  Yeah - that's the ticket!

Meanwhile - Dutch/Aruban coast guard is at the trap site two days in a row - for a good amount of time.

Coincidence? 

Jen...Kermit...Has anything been determined on what the Dutch/Aruban coast guard was doing at the cage site? (I think I remember that they were there at the cage on Jan 10, 11?). If so, that was well after the supposedly collection of the contents by the Aruban divers on Jan 7.
Just thinking out loud here, but so much focus has been on the 7th being the day the contents were taken..could that be to distract from what the Dutch/Aruban coast guard were doing on the 10th, 11th? I guess I'm stuck on trying to figure out what the coast guard was doing if the contents were already removed on the 7th...

My thoughts on this billb,
In one of Kyle's posts here, he said that talk of obtaining some type of vacuum equipment to sweep around/in the cage for evidence was discussed.  I'm thinking maybe they were there collecting the rest of the evidence other than maybe the entire trap.

Bingo.That was my thought.Wouldn't the Persistence have waited to pump all the sand within a acre or 2 of the cage in a grid like format?

Blue Moon, TM KTF...
Yes..you comments are also some thoughts I'm wondering about. It just seems that they hasn't been any public attention on the coast guard involvement...all the attention has been on the aruban divers on jan7th....
If vacuuming was the motive, I would think more would be made of it, as I believe they could be a LOT of evidence to be shifted out of the sand within a measurable distance around/outside the cage.
I just find it interesting that this hasn't been discussed more....makes be wonder what's up..

If there weren't remains in that cage why would the coast gaurd be out there?There would be no need correct?

Correct.....another thought...this is the DUTCH coast guard....aruba doesn't have their own. Ties the DUTCH more directly into the happenings surrounding the cage.... imho
Who is directing the DUTCH coast guard? I don't know....

[truthseeker2]

Saying he is Colombian or Venezuelan on Aruba is like saying he is Mexican in California. 
Of course there is a connection.. There always is.
These people travel back and forth and do business in these 2 countries ALL the time.
There is no secret connection ..It is a daily connection.. 
Families are intertwined like onion rings in this part of the world.
They should build a monorail system, I am sure it is on Hugo's list of things to build after he takes control of Colombia and the ABC islands..

I guess what I am getting at would it be Jamie who was paid to dispose of the body or would he be someone in his family maybe still living in Columbia that was paid to do it?

Good questions. Blue.  If not that, was the porn operation really Jaime's little business with the rest of the pimps serving as his minions?  Was jaime the 'leader of the pimps" sotospeak?

I thought the leader was Renfro!   

LOL.  Julia couldn't run an automatic dishwasher, much less a covert porn operation.

[bleachedblack]

Does this look like Ramona Rodriguez? Only one I see in the NJ system, but it might be from a prior arrest.

[Blue Moon]

Does this look like Ramona Rodriguez? Only one I see in the NJ system, but it might be from a prior arrest.

It doesn't look like her to me.  I thought the picture from a newspaper we saw here showed her as being rather "plump".

[billb's daughter]

Gotta run...bbl..
It is nice to see multiple discussions all going on at the same time w/o attacks on posters...Monkeys can multitask and be nice to each other...lol

[texasmom]

LDSTLOU,
Again, I think you have failed to follow EVERY detail and words of Kyle himself. Kyle has stated that John S. had NO interest in the trap -- in fact he told Kyle "to never bring up the trap" again! Kyle told Freebirds that John S. has NEW business dealings in Aruba. Beth's brother (private eye) was flabbergasted to find out about the Jan. 7th pics in MARCH! That is NOT IMMEDIATELY. Kyle had no responsibilty to turn over ALL pics????? Well, he sure had responsibility to SELL the pics in February!

John did not believe Natalee was in that trap. They had other targets they had located and he wanted to focus on the other targets that were possibilites. Remember, they identified quite a few other possible targets that they were eager to look into. It wasn't because he was hiding anything in the trap, he felt they had eliminated the possibility that it was Natalee and wanet to get to other possibilities.

Eager to look into, so eager they begged for donations one day while they were packing to leave at the same time. 

So eager to look into...................eager to follow Richardson's instructions - go out into deeper water, away from the trap.  Yeah - that's the ticket!

Meanwhile - Dutch/Aruban coast guard is at the trap site two days in a row - for a good amount of time.

Coincidence? 

Jen...Kermit...Has anything been determined on what the Dutch/Aruban coast guard was doing at the cage site? (I think I remember that they were there at the cage on Jan 10, 11?). If so, that was well after the supposedly collection of the contents by the Aruban divers on Jan 7.
Just thinking out loud here, but so much focus has been on the 7th being the day the contents were taken..could that be to distract from what the Dutch/Aruban coast guard were doing on the 10th, 11th? I guess I'm stuck on trying to figure out what the coast guard was doing if the contents were already removed on the 7th...

My thoughts on this billb,
In one of Kyle's posts here, he said that talk of obtaining some type of vacuum equipment to sweep around/in the cage for evidence was discussed.  I'm thinking maybe they were there collecting the rest of the evidence other than maybe the entire trap.

Bingo.That was my thought.Wouldn't the Persistence have waited to pump all the sand within a acre or 2 of the cage in a grid like format?

Blue Moon, TM KTF...
Yes..you comments are also some thoughts I'm wondering about. It just seems that they hasn't been any public attention on the coast guard involvement...all the attention has been on the aruban divers on jan7th....
If vacuuming was the motive, I would think more would be made of it, as I believe they could be a LOT of evidence to be shifted out of the sand within a measurable distance around/outside the cage.
I just find it interesting that this hasn't been discussed more....makes be wonder what's up..

If there weren't remains in that cage why would the coast gaurd be out there?There would be no need correct?

Correct.....another thought...this is the DUTCH coast guard....aruba doesn't have their own. Ties the DUTCH more directly into the happenings surrounding the cage.... imho
Who is directing the DUTCH coast guard? I don't know....

Again, just my thoughts.  I thought maybe this could be why putting pressure "more importantly on the Hague" was so important.  JMO

[Keepthefaith]

Gotta run...bbl..
It is nice to see multiple discussions all going on at the same time w/o attacks on posters...Monkeys can multitask and be nice to each other...lol