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Re: Natalee Case Discussion #789 1/1/09 -
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Quote from: bleachedblack on January 03, 2009, 01:44:53 PM
Does this look like Ramona Rodriguez? Only one I see in the NJ system, but it might be from a prior arrest.
I don't know if that is Her or not....I do know that there was another Ramona Rodriguez that was released on parole from the state of New Jersey...and that She is not the same as the one connected to Daury.... The one connected to Daury is still incarcerated....
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Quote from: Tamikosmom on January 03, 2009, 01:36:13 PM
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Must be a slow day at CnG
Apparently everyday's a slow day there, they are all here lurking! Then they draw straws for the next drive by!
WHAT???
I didn't miss this Janet, just wasn't sure what you're asking.
I was just being a little mischievious before you were here, I promise to be good now (or I'll really try to be).
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Re: Natalee Case Discussion #789 1/1/09 -
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Quote from: Tamikosmom on January 03, 2009, 01:34:39 PM
What is wrong with this picture?
Janet
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JAIME CARRASQUILLA
Joran Van der Sloot
Suspect Statement
June 9, 2005
I did not make an agreement with the girl as to how late I would meet them at Carlos & Charlies. After that I walked outside through the casino and when I got outside I called my father from my mobile phone which has the number "REMOVED" on the mobile phone of my mother. My mother has a mobile phone with the number "REMOVED". I called my father on that phone because my mother was outside of the country and my father had her phone in his possession.
When I called my father it was approximately
23.00 hours
. I told my father that I was ready and if he could come and pick me up at "Mc Donalds". After that I had called my friend "Jaime CARASQUILLA" on his mobile phone.
Jaime Carrasquilla
Witness Statement
June 17, 2005
On May 29th 2005,
between the hours of 16.00 and 19.00
, I was called by Joran on my mobile phone with the phone number
.
Joran had asked me whether I wanted to go out with him that night. He told me that a few American girls would go to "Carlos & Charlies" and whether I wanted to meet up with him there
11:00 - 11:15 on 5/30/05
Jaime goes to pick up his father at the Wyndham. (6/17 statement) Deepak calls Joran for the second time that night. (6/13 statement) Joran says in his 6/16 statement he and Guido are at the Aruba Grand. Deepak says in his 06/13 statement that Joran tells him they are at the Radisson. Andre (statement 06/20) is still at the Wyndham, calls Joran and Joran says he and Guido are at the Radisson.
Andre Dos Santos 6/20/05:
I saw then that "Guido WEAVER" came into the Casa Blanca casino of the Wyndham hotel and walked up to Joran. I no longer remember what time Guido WEAVER arrives at the casino. Because Joran and Guido wanted to play a “live game”, they told me they went to Joran’s house to pick up money to gamble with. I no longer remember how Guido was dressed.
I saw that Joran and Guido then went outside.
Joran 6/14/05:
At approximately 22.30, Guido arrived at the Wyndham Casino. Guido and myself went for a circular walk.
After that Guido and myself walked to his car. His car was in the parking lot of the Wyndham Hotel.
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Re: Natalee Case Discussion #789 1/1/09 -
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Aruba has it's own Coast Guard. It is Rudy Croes "baby" and he is angry that Jan vd Straten made remarks about it. That is supposedly what got the two at odds with each other in the first place.
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Re: Natalee Case Discussion #789 1/1/09 -
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Quote from: truthseeker2 on January 03, 2009, 01:51:15 PM
11:00 - 11:15 on 5/30/05
Jaime goes to pick up his father at the Wyndham. (6/17 statement) Deepak calls Joran for the second time that night. (6/13 statement) Joran says in his
6/16
statement he and Guido are at the Aruba Grand. Deepak says in his 06/13 statement that Joran tells him they are at the Radisson. Andre (statement 06/20) is still at the Wyndham, calls Joran and Joran says he and Guido are at the Radisson.
Andre Dos Santos 6/20/05:
I saw then that "Guido WEAVER" came into the Casa Blanca casino of the Wyndham hotel and walked up to Joran. I no longer remember what time Guido WEAVER arrives at the casino. Because Joran and Guido wanted to play a “live game”, they told me they went to Joran’s house to pick up money to gamble with. I no longer remember how Guido was dressed.
I saw that Joran and Guido then went outside.
Joran 6/14/05:
At approximately 22.30, Guido arrived at the Wyndham Casino. Guido and myself went for a circular walk.
After that Guido and myself walked to his car. His car was in the parking lot of the Wyndham Hotel.
6/16 should be 6/14
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Re: Natalee Case Discussion #789 1/1/09 -
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Yes, I do think there could be a Colombian connection. I started that line of thinking over a year ago and located an individual there with Aruba ties. I also thought it odd that three nights in a row you Joran and Deepak admittedly together, but none of those times did they admit being with Freddy or Jaime. Freddy and Jaime along with the Gottenbos bros. were the closer friends. The statement given by Jaime is curious because of the timing of the phone calls from Joran. Also, on 5/30 Jaime ends up at the Wyndham at the same time Andre says Joran and Guido coincidently stepped out of the casino.
I have often believed they may have been meeting Jaime in the parking lot.
Would the Columbian ties come from Jamie then? Is Jamie from Columbia and is his family tied into a cartel of some sorts? (guess most families in Columbia are tied into drugs in some shape or form-guess this is a stupid question on my part).
Yes, he is Colombian. As for his family...I'm working on that.
Jamie lived with his dad and there were some money problems. Jamie's mother died before Natalee disappeared. Joran reported that Jamie's mom was the first dead body that he had seen.
also interesting that he didn't say it was the ONLY dead body he had seen. how many 17 year olds see multiple dead bodies?
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Re: Natalee Case Discussion #789 1/1/09 -
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Quote from: Blue Moon of KY on January 03, 2009, 01:46:24 PM
Quote from: bleachedblack on January 03, 2009, 01:44:53 PM
Does this look like Ramona Rodriguez? Only one I see in the NJ system, but it might be from a prior arrest.
It doesn't look like her to me. I thought the picture from a newspaper we saw here showed her as being rather "plump".
Doesn't look like her to me. See the pic at this link:
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2783.0
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Does anyone remember where Daury and Ramona Rodriguez are from....Just Curious? TIA
A google search says he is a 21 year old Aruban.
Ramona is originally from the Dominican Republic, I believe. Both of them are well cared for right now in NJ prisons.
Thanks! Yes They Are!
His Member page (don't know if it is a myspace page) says he is from Columbia.
http://www.partypeeps2000.com/members/DRzzz.aspx
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Re: Natalee Case Discussion #789 1/1/09 -
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So!Did Paulus get the 10'000 grand to pay Jaime and Joran took $400 dollars?Am i way off?
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Re: Natalee Case Discussion #789 1/1/09 -
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Yes, I do think there could be a Colombian connection. I started that line of thinking over a year ago and located an individual there with Aruba ties. I also thought it odd that three nights in a row you Joran and Deepak admittedly together, but none of those times did they admit being with Freddy or Jaime. Freddy and Jaime along with the Gottenbos bros. were the closer friends. The statement given by Jaime is curious because of the timing of the phone calls from Joran. Also, on 5/30 Jaime ends up at the Wyndham at the same time Andre says Joran and Guido coincidently stepped out of the casino.
I have often believed they may have been meeting Jaime in the parking lot.
Would the Columbian ties come from Jamie then? Is Jamie from Columbia and is his family tied into a cartel of some sorts? (guess most families in Columbia are tied into drugs in some shape or form-guess this is a stupid question on my part).
Yes, he is Colombian. As for his family...I'm working on that.
Jamie lived with his dad and there were some money problems. Jamie's mother died before Natalee disappeared. Joran reported that Jamie's mom was the first dead body that he had seen.
also interesting that he didn't say it was the ONLY dead body he had seen. how many 17 year olds see multiple dead bodies?
No, he didn't, did he? At 17 I had only seen one, my grandfather.
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Re: Natalee Case Discussion #789 1/1/09 -
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Nah, you are right, doesn't look like her to me either. going back to see if I can find her in the system-maybe a smaller prison.
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Quote from: Keepthefaith on January 03, 2009, 01:55:40 PM
So!Did Paulus get the 10'000 grand to pay Jaime and Joran took $400 dollars?Am i way off?
I don't know if the $10,000 buying/selling of Natalee really happened. In listening to Joran's interview with Greta the $400 stuck out to me from Anfre's statement. I think Andre had more information and did not know it was information. i think he was the guy Joran went around with when he wanted to be seen in a good light. He was with Andre on 5/29 and on 5/30. Yet, I don't wee where the others include Andre in therelist of close friends when looking at the PV's.
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Re: Natalee Case Discussion #789 1/1/09 -
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Quote from: Keepthefaith on January 03, 2009, 01:55:40 PM
So!Did Paulus get the 10'000 grand to pay Jaime and Joran took $400 dollars?Am i way off?
I don't know if the $10,000 buying/selling of Natalee really happened. In listening to Joran's interview with Greta the $400 stuck out to me from Anfre's statement. I think Andre had more information and did not know it was information. i think he was the guy Joran went around with when he wanted to be seen in a good light. He was with Andre on 5/29 and on 5/30. Yet, I don't wee where the others include Andre in therelist of close friends when looking at the PV's.
Not buying and selling but disposing?
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Quote from: Keepthefaith on January 03, 2009, 01:55:40 PM
So!Did Paulus get the 10'000 grand to pay Jaime and Joran took $400 dollars?Am i way off?
I'm thinking Paulus took 10k outta CMB, gave someone (the Colombians) $9600 (guilders, florins, dollars??) whatever that amount really was... took four hundred (G,F, USDs) and redeposited it as a way to make it look like Joran had won something.
I think the reason the disposal people / person have not really be identified is because they are, well, unidentifiable at this time. We know everyone on Aruba and I really can't see Paulus being soooo stoopid as to allow the Gottenbos goons to handle this... someone else did it in my opinion. Those Gottenbos kids don't look like they can date rape juice someone AND get them into the car all at the same time. Nope, it's not them in my opinion. The body was disappeared too well, and by someone who can't or won't talk - that eliminates those two in my mind.
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Nah, you are right, doesn't look like her to me either. going back to see if I can find her in the system-maybe a smaller prison.
BB I believe Ramona is still in a county jail.....Her pic probably is not in the prison system....Not Yet Anyways...lol
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So!Did Paulus get the 10'000 grand to pay Jaime and Joran took $400 dollars?Am i way off?
I don't know if the $10,000 buying/selling of Natalee really happened. In listening to Joran's interview with Greta the $400 stuck out to me from Anfre's statement. I think Andre had more information and did not know it was information. i think he was the guy Joran went around with when he wanted to be seen in a good light. He was with Andre on 5/29 and on 5/30. Yet, I don't wee where the others include Andre in therelist of close friends when looking at the PV's.
Sorry about all the typos. I'm watching the news about Israel on Fox right now and typing at the same time.
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Quote from: truthseeker2 on January 03, 2009, 02:01:56 PM
Quote from: Keepthefaith on January 03, 2009, 01:55:40 PM
So!Did Paulus get the 10'000 grand to pay Jaime and Joran took $400 dollars?Am i way off?
I don't know if the $10,000 buying/selling of Natalee really happened. In listening to Joran's interview with Greta the $400 stuck out to me from Anfre's statement. I think Andre had more information and did not know it was information. i think he was the guy Joran went around with when he wanted to be seen in a good light. He was with Andre on 5/29 and on 5/30. Yet, I don't wee where the others include Andre in therelist of close friends when looking at the PV's.
Not buying and selling but disposing?
Don't know yet. If it WAS a trafficking issue and dumbazz Joran took some for himself, he may have been out there trying to recoup it before they cut his hand off. Jaime showing up to collect it?
If not, Joran seems to have a fetish about that amount.
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Quote from: Rob on January 03, 2009, 02:03:30 PM
Quote from: Keepthefaith on January 03, 2009, 01:55:40 PM
So!Did Paulus get the 10'000 grand to pay Jaime and Joran took $400 dollars?Am i way off?
I'm thinking Paulus took 10k outta CMB, gave someone (the Colombians) $9600 (guilders, florins, dollars??) whatever that amount really was... took four hundred (G,F, USDs) and redeposited it as a way to make it look like Joran had won something.
I think the reason the disposal people / person have not really be identified is because they are, well, unidentifiable at this time. We know everyone on Aruba and I really can't see Paulus being soooo stoopid as to allow the Gottenbos goons to handle this... someone else did it in my opinion. Those Gottenbos kids don't look like they can date rape juice someone AND get them into the car all at the same time. Nope, it's not them in my opinion. The body was disappeared too well, and by someone who can't or won't talk - that eliminates those two in my mind.
So would Paulus be so stupid to arrange the disposal himself or would he allow Godfather Jan to do that. Jan was over drugs and he could have better arranged a disposal for Joran and Paulus and Paulus supplied the payoff.
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Re: Natalee Case Discussion #789 1/1/09 -
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Quote from: Keepthefaith on January 03, 2009, 01:55:40 PM
So!Did Paulus get the 10'000 grand to pay Jaime and Joran took $400 dollars?Am i way off?
I'm thinking Paulus took 10k outta CMB, gave someone (the Colombians) $9600 (guilders, florins, dollars??) whatever that amount really was... took four hundred (G,F, USDs) and redeposited it as a way to make it look like Joran had won something.
I think the reason the disposal people / person have not really be identified is because they are, well, unidentifiable at this time. We know everyone on Aruba and I really can't see Paulus being soooo stoopid as to allow the Gottenbos goons to handle this... someone else did it in my opinion. Those Gottenbos kids don't look like they can date rape juice someone AND get them into the car all at the same time. Nope, it's not them in my opinion. The body was disappeared too well, and by someone who can't or won't talk - that eliminates those two in my mind.
Thanx Rob.Still trying to understand Jossy and Eduardo.Anything on that front?
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Quote from: Anna on January 03, 2009, 01:52:38 PM
Aruba has it's own Coast Guard. It is Rudy Croes "baby" and he is angry that Jan vd Straten made remarks about it. That is supposedly what got the two at odds with each other in the first place.
Yes. IIRC, the Head of the Coast Guard became a Head of the Polis. (Peter whatzis, with a name similar to one of the 2 Judges in question?)
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Virginia Area Missing and Murdered - possible connections
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=> Morgan Dana Harrington, 20yrs missing VA Tech 10/17/09(BODY FOUND)
=> Hannah Elizabeth Graham missing since 9/13/14 Charlottesville, VA
=> Alexis Murphy, missing since 8/3/13 Charlottesville, VA
=> Samantha Ann Clarke 19yrs. old Orange Va. Last seen 09/13/10
=> Dashad Sage Smith missing since 11/20/12 Charlottesville, VA
=> Cassandra Morton 23, Lynchburg, missing 10/10/09 body found 11/29/09
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High Profile Crimes and Trials (not missing persons)
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=> Jodi Arias trial - for the murder of Travis Alexander
=> Trial of George Zimmerman - 2nd Degree Murder of 17yr old Trayvon Martin
=> Scott Peterson Appeal of Murder Conviction
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Missing, Exploited and True Crime
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=> Missing Exploited and True Crime
===> Missing Persons Forum
=====> Missing Found or Presumed Deceased
=====> Missing Found Safe
=====> Missing Endangered Runaways
=====> Resourses, Search Groups and Fundraisers
===> Crimes Against Children, Elderly and the Disabled
===> Crimes of Passion/Anger
===> Serial Killers and Their Possible Victims
===> Unsolved Crimes
=====> Finally Solved
===> Haleigh Marie Cummings - Florida
===> Adji Desir - Florida
===> Somer Renee Thompson 7 yo, Orange Park FL 10/19/09(BODY FOUND)
===> Tracy Ocasio - Orlando/Ocoee, Florida
===> Shaniya Nicole Davis, 5 Fayetteville, NC Missing 11/10/09(BODY FOUND)
===> Holly Bobo, 20yrs old missing Parsons, TN 4/13/11
===> Hailey Dunn - 13yrs old - Colorado City, TX missing 12/27/10 (Body Found)
===> Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (BODY FOUND)
===> Lindsey Baum - McCleary, WA 6/26/09
===> Amber Leeanne Dubois 14yrs old - Escondido, CA(BODY FOUND)
===> Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA (BODY FOUND)
===> Sandra Cantu, 8 years old - Tracy, CA(BODY FOUND)
===> Madeleine McCann - Portugal
===> Christine Marie Sheddy - missing since 11/13/2007 - Maryland(BODY FOUND)
===> Nevaeh Amyah Buchanan 5yr Monroe Michigan(BODY FOUND)
===> Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Tempe AZ-San Antonio TX
===> Stacy Ann Peterson missing & Kathleen Savio murdered - Illinois
===> Zahra Clare Baker - 10yrs old Hickory, NC (Body Found)
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Natalee Holloway
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=> Natalee Holloway
=> Important Case Documents
===> Joran Statements/PV's
===> Paulus Statements/PV's
===> Deepak Statements/PV's
===> Satish Statements/PV's
===> Misc Statements/PV's
=> LCD Archive
=> Shango/Simian and other Codetalkers
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Current Events and Musings
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=> Monkey Musings / Open Discussion
=> Pop Culture Main
===> Hugely Popular TV Shows
===> Movies and Television
===> Social Media
===> Music
===> Books
===> Scared Monkeys Radio with Dana Pretzer
=> Health and Medical Issues
=> Food and Product Recalls
=> News of the Day
=> Business News
=> Sports
=> Political Forum
=> Religion (discussion and debate)
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The Monkey Lounge
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=> The Monkey Lounge
===> Fashion & Decorating
===> What's Cooking? Recipes
===> Games
=> Inspirational
===> Memorial - Gone but Never Forgotten
===> Gratefulness - Light a Candle in Prayer
===> Inspirational scriptures, songs, stories and prayers
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Natalee Discussions (2005 ARCHIVE)
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=> Natalee Holloway
=> Theory and Speculation
=> Links and References Only
=> Natalee Breaking News Archive
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General Discussions (2005 ARCHIVE)
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=> News Issues
=> Chit Chat
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