Natalee Case Discussion #789 1/1/09 - 1/3/09

[Nut44x4]

Jane Valez Mullet Head is discussing Natalee. CNN Headline NEws

[Keepthefaith]

IT WOULD BE PRICELESS ANNA...

[2NJSons_Mom]

 

San & Anna!

 

[texasmom]

LDSTLOU - if Joran van der Sloot emailed me and confessed to Natalee dying and his disposing of her body, would it bother you if I posted the jest of that email in the forum?  Just so people could have a good idea what was sent to me?  Or would you think it more important to honor a private email and not tell anyone about it?

I don't see that Caps was posting any confession. Kermit says she is not allowed to post it and yet she posts it. And no, if I had an e-mail from Joran confessing I would not post it at SM, I would turn it over to the FBI who I am sure would tell me to keep my mouth shut about it and I would keep my mouth shut about it.

Which Kyle DID NOT do.  He posted on a private forum his concerns instead of giving the information to the FBI.

that is not true. All footage was turned over to the FBI. Do you wonder why JQK, Tim Miller, Dateline the FBI and the Family are not speaking out about the Persistence? Could it be because it was all done on the up and up? Kyle also asked that his posts not be made public. I believe Jen's letter said they sought legal advice and were told not to publish his posts...am I wrong?

From what i understand  it was about obstruction of justice.Correct me if i'm wrong Kermit!

according to whom? Not the FBI. The FBI do not have a problem with Kyle. In fact, they told him to ignore Kermit she was not important. She once again...posted that e-mail from Kyle to her...you all read it and ignored it.

Actually I took that comment to mean here is a quarter little boy now go away.

Kyle should not be so worried if he has the FBI on his side plain and simple but he seems to be in a big tizzy over this.  Does he not listent to the FBI's advice.

Dear Kyle,

If you are so confident as to what the FBI has told you then there are no worries.  Just let us simple people chit chat away and you continue with your life like nothing every happened.

Sincerely,

San
(The Nut)

I stand with the Frog.

I would have loved to have seen the expression of the FBI agent's face about somebody being worried about somebody named Kermit/Kermmie posting on an internet forum!

 

[2NJSons_Mom]

Jane Valez Mullet Head is discussing Natalee. CNN Headline NEws

Thanks, Nut. 

[Anna]

Jane Valez Mullet Head is discussing Natalee. CNN Headline NEws

Thanks, Nut!  I caught part of it.  Wendy Murphy saying she would prosecute even if she lost and the other person arguing that in this country we do always prosecute crimes against women when we know full well that is not true and Wendy is right!

Does this program repeat?  I would like to see all of that interesting discussion.

[San]

Jane Valez Mullet Head is discussing Natalee. CNN Headline NEws

Thanks, Nut!  I caught part of it.  Wendy Murphy saying she would prosecute even if she lost and the other person arguing that in this country we do always prosecute crimes against women when we know full well that is not true and Wendy is right!

Does this program repeat?  I would like to see all of that interesting discussion.

This sounds like the show she did about a week or so ago.

[texasmom]

Thanks Nut & Anna, wish I'd seen it too.

[MumInOhio]

Mum ... back in May, 2008 ... you and I were on the same page in regards to CAPS ... the same page I have been on since CAPS made his initial appearance in the middle of January, 2008.

Somewhere along the line you jumped back on the CAPS bandwagon.  What changed?  It was not CAPS who changed.

Sincerely, Janet

+++++++

MumInOhio
Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
« Reply #1412 on: May 06, 2008, 01:59:31 PM »

SS...I have read that as well...I have also read where he said it was other apartments, Dutch owned and not the Matty apartments. I am not going to go back to the first thread and find Cap's posts as I questioned him more than a couple of times as to why he changed his mind and he never answered!

He also didn't respond as to why he told me no to the Ind/Lion's Den in the first thread.

All that being said...he hasn't backed up his posts...just because Caps said it, doesn't make it so!

 I am sorry I don't mean to upset you, but you can post Caps posts forever and I will just keep telling you what he said previously.

I still want to know why he changed from the other apartments to the Matty and he will not answer!!!!!

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2787.msg379364#msg379364


MumInOhio
Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
« Reply #1424 on: May 06, 2008, 02:41:59 PM »

SS…let me ask you one question…

If I post the Freddy Zedan owns the Indo/Lion’s Den are you going to just take my word for it?

 Caps posts that the Kalpoes - the father or the stepfather, he never did answer which one, according to a girl there, now own it!

You can certainly take what Caps says without questions, but I will not. So please do not repost Caps post to me....Show me the proof!

 I have read everyone of Cap’s post at least three times…each day I type out an index…you would be very surprised what you see on the third read.

All I am trying to say is what you are posting from Caps is not what he said in January!

I am 99% sure as to why he switched to the Indo apartments…the answer is in one of your last few posts…and I will leave it at that!

And yes Lala’s…I am extremely frustrated…seems we have involved just about everyone on Aruba…new names are dropped every week.…I never see Joran’s name in this thread anymore!!!!!

And everytime Caps appears we have more questions!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

COLUMBO has a word for that!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2787.msg379383#msg379383


MumInOhio
Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
« Reply #1440 on: May 06, 2008, 06:42:17 PM »

Guess we will have to agree to disagree. I don't have to give him the benefit of the doubt just because he's Caps

All I see is a whole lot of new names and misinformation and very few facts...Giovanni, Deutekom, Bulo, Freddy that doesn't exist, odd-bods living at the kalpoes address, list of names that don't match the phone book...
 
Yes, something is going on at that pond, and we are still dealing with Aruba. I'm in total agreement with Lala's on this one, nothing will come of the pond.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2787.msg379502#msg379502


MumInOhio
Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
« Reply #1450 on: May 06, 2008, 07:32:02 PM »

SS...A simple question as to if Deutekom was a Judge should have been answered 150 pages ago....so should the reason for him going back to the Indo/Lion's Den after he told me no to there. these are simple questions and both merit an answer!

I can't buy Cap's Dirty Hand Deutekom, because how he got to him was flawed. If he is not a Judge he wouldn't have been on that list. It is as simple as that!

There are more questions now than when Caps first started posting!

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2787.msg379518#msg379518


MumInOhio
Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
« Reply #1456 on: May 06, 2008, 11:11:21 PM »

Well I guess we are all frustrated today!

I attempted to explain to Caps at least 3 times the Judges list, and as one who tries to answer other poster’s questions, and acknowledge their posts I expected an answer on at least one of those occasions! If you have read my posts you would know that I have acknowledged that Deutekom may be a ‘Dirty Hand’ , just questioning the way he got there.

You can check my posts for this morning and see that I try to ‘share’ what I know! Have a look and see if my answer to another poster was even acknowledged!

I guess in your opinion it is OK for Caps to fire of all these questions at us, but he is not obligated to answer ours. Most of my questions to him have been about posts he has made and names like Bulo’s that we have never heard of. I have asked very few about things I am researching.

I have not asked any more from Caps than I would have asked from any other poster…back up your posts! BS on putting him in any sort of position! Not to the questions I have asked anyways.

Yes there are other theories on this thread, and I for one am sick and tired of having only one jammed down my throat.

I have read Caps posts many times and it is up to me if I go along with everything or anything he says.  Maybe it might help some if you let Caps know that it is creating problems by him dropping names with no other info….it would help a lot and certainly save some of us a lot of time….

JMHO

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2787.msg379582#msg379582


MumInOhio
Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
« Reply #1459 on: May 06, 2008, 11:33:41 PM »

*******…as you said this is a discussion forum and I have reason to question things in Caps posts! Most times when I have done so I do not receive an answer or if I do it is the post of Caps I am referring to posted back to me. Sorry … to me that is not discussion.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2787.msg379591#msg379591


MumInOhio
Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
« Reply #1467 on: May 07, 2008, 08:06:50 AM »

SS...Caps started posting in the NAH thread around mid-January. Klaas explained at the time that he had been posting on the front page previously. After 4 or 5 days Caps started posting in the Shango thread. This would have been way back in the first thread.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2787.msg379694#msg379694


MumInOhio
Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
« Reply #1468 on: May 07, 2008, 09:28:28 AM »

SS… You are right. I think Caps has information that has nothing to do with Shango as well. Caps does know the corruption and the ‘dark’ side of Aruba. He knows some of the players, probably a lot.

When Caps first started posting in the forum he knew very little about the case, or so it appears from his early posts. He asked us about the family, the friends, the private plane and the pimps. He asked about the suspects and about the people such as Julia and others that continually misinformed us. He needed our help and knowledge with these pieces of the puzzle. There is nothing wrong with that, I personally have spent a lot of time and posts sharing any information I had or could find.

A lot of time it seems to me that Caps has a piece that he feels fits into a Shango/Simian/Merian post, and just makes it fit. He has the player, the corrupt official, so that is the answer to that part of the riddle.

An example of this would be ‘the yellowhammer’. We started with a yellow hummer way back in the first thread, and most disagreed back then. When it was revisited recently and many posted that they thought it was the bird, Caps said OK, we’ll go with the bird, we’ll refine and correct any errors in his interpretations. The next day, Caps posts that he doesn’t think it is the bird. Our interpretation of ‘the yellowhammer’ doesn’t fit into Cap’s deciphering of the riddle.

I find this very frustrating. To me it is not that difficult.

Thanks everyone for the input on Bulo yesterday. Pita sorry for the confusion I may have caused on the Benz site. Somehow I confused myself…Vms…sounds like a good idea…maybe clear up some loose ends like Giovanni and Bulo…

 I think I need to go and sit in the grandstand with Lala’s and the other grannies for a day or two and go back to my own research.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2787.msg379700#msg379700


MumInOhio
Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
« Reply #1493 on: May 08, 2008, 09:33:46 AM »

This is a previous discussion about Ben VocKing. Below are 2 of Caps older posts regarding VocKing. So in February and March Caps knew who VocKing was, but not on April 25th.

Somewhere back around page 40 Caps posted a key in which he includes a pic of VocKing. You will notice that Caps refers to a picture of Voking in his response above.

Around pages 45 and 46 there is much discussion about the photo of VocKing and which is the correct one. The photo of VocKing that Caps included in his key and showed to the man who knew him very well is not of the person we determined to be VocKing.

This is why I ask questions…

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http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2787.msg379920#msg379920


MumInOhio
Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
« Reply #1494 on: May 08, 2008, 09:41:12 AM »

These posts of Caps have been etched in mind since March. Another reason I ask questions.

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http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2787.msg379922#msg379922


MumInOhio
Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
« Reply #1495 on: May 08, 2008, 10:12:11 AM »

Here is Cap's picture of Vocking.

Hotping...Thanks for the prayer. After the posts from last night, for the sake of harmony I have decided to refrain from posting in this thread any more.

Enjoy the Tango!

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2787.msg379926#msg379926


MumInOhio
Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
« Reply #1500 on: May 08, 2008, 11:55:52 AM »

Vms…I have suspected from very early on from Cap’s posts who Caps really is. I did not come to this conclusion from any mailing list from ‘our friend in Aruba’. Posts over the last 24 hours have confirmed my suspicions. Not everyone is whom they appear to be…I need to walk away!

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2787.msg379938#msg379938


MumInOhio
Re: Natalee Case Discussion #750 5/2 -
« Reply #936 on: May 08, 2008, 08:30:49 PM »

SS…since you bought this over from the Shango thread….there is no group attack on Caps. I have asked him to answer questions about his posts. He has not done so, on most occasions IMO. I said this morning that I would walk away. I have.

Many of my questions regarding Caps surround Ben Vocking. I posted on that this morning. Please go back and read from page 39 to page 46 of the thread. Open the links. Read Caps response very carefully and then read what I posted this morning.

I am not going to respond any further on the subject.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2819.msg380072#msg380072

Janet...Respectfully...I answered this when you asked a little while back. I said then that you and I were never on exactly the same page. My research is ongoing.

Thank you for bringing my posts over from Shango. Hopefully it will help some to see that I ask questions when I am not satisfied with what has been posted or the answers that are given.

[MumInOhio]

MumInOhio

I would appreciate it if you would go back to your little group and get your facts straight.

It was NOT ME who first posted the photo of the CMB bank next to Digicel.

The reason I know this is because I posted that photo at FREEBIRDS!

IT WAS DAYHIKER who took the photo from Freebirds and posted it here at SM[/b]

In addition:
If you are confused by truth, then you need to sit down and have it out with your group.
BECAUSE if you HAD, you would have known that it was me that was asked to BY THOSE
SPECIFIC members of your group to FIND OUT INFORMATION ON CAPS!

I do not recall posting Montanja 10.
If I did, please give me the link to my post.

I do recall posting Catrini 7.
Lalasmom, your group member not only continued to query me about it, but also emailed me asking me
why I posted it because it was near where CAPS lived! Which differed from the address that CAPS gave
to DAVE and the FBI!

Want me to post the email? I will be more then happy to do so.


Call it drive-bys or untruth or whatever word you want to come up with.

I DID THAT - FOR THEM

If you think for one minute that I can not back up and show the emails to prove what I am saying
 IS THE TRUTH - you are sorely mistaken.

Call me whatever names, insinuate whatever you want, but I have the proof.

Now, go find yourself someone else to slander.

Do not bother responding to me.
Do not bother apologizing to me.
You are forgiven.
But I won't respond to you ever again.

Kermit...

Excuse me...I am slandering You?

I questioned your posts. This is what I do. I ask questions. I want the details straight.  I questioned that address the very next morning after you first posted it in Shango.


Because I respected you and your posts I spent a lot of time and effort looking for a  connection to Freddy Zedan and 7A Catiri. I actually believed you when you posted that Frederick Arends was Freddy Zedan's father. Even after I found a social site for Frederick and his young son. I am sorry, but I do not recall what it was that made me change my mind and realize that what you had posted was incorrect.


You can be sure that I will ask Lalas about 7A Catiri. I will ask because I want the truth.


From your post this is what I see, please correct me if I am wrong...
 

You posted and reposted incorrect information at the request of another member of this Forum. Even though you knew this was incorrect information, you kept posting this address as belonging to Freddy Zedan.

Would you care to elaborate as to why you posted that Frederick Arends was Freddy Zedan's father.

Would you mind clarifying for myself and the others on this Forum how many times you have done this? This being posting incorrect information at the request of another Forum member.


Somehow, I do not think it is me that needs to be forgiven, Kermit.

And I do not think I am the one that needs to be making any apologies either.


Mum has an Agenda - Justice For Natalee

Is that the best you can do? Kermit may have given an incorrect address??

No wreck...first post on page 8

[Tamikosmom]

Janet...Respectfully...I answered this when you asked a little while back. I said then that you and I were never on exactly the same page. My research is ongoing.

Thank you for bringing my posts over from Shango. Hopefully it will help some to see that I ask questions when I am not satisfied with what has been posted or the answers that are given.

Mum ... in May, 2008 you had come to a conclusion and ... were not going to uphold CAPS.  You backed up ;your reasoning perfectly and ... I agreed.  Your reasoning was what I had claimed from the getgo ... two months prior.

Mum ... it is so important to me.  I want to know what changed your position.

Sincerely, Janet

[Nut44x4]

Jane Valez Mullet Head is discussing Natalee. CNN Headline NEws

Thanks, Nut!  I caught part of it.  Wendy Murphy saying she would prosecute even if she lost and the other person arguing that in this country we do always prosecute crimes against women when we know full well that is not true and Wendy is right!

Does this program repeat?  I would like to see all of that interesting discussion.

I don't think you can watch it later like Greta and Nancy. That is really about all that was said. She went to break and came back talking about a diff. case.

[Tamikosmom]

Nut ... would you please changed the year in my last post from 2009 to 2008.

I know ... I know ... it is only January 2, 2009 and ... I just broke my New Year Resolution which stated that I would not bother Klaas or the mods in regards to editing..

What can I say?

 

Thanks

Janet

[Anna]

Jane Valez Mullet Head is discussing Natalee. CNN Headline NEws

Thanks, Nut!  I caught part of it.  Wendy Murphy saying she would prosecute even if she lost and the other person arguing that in this country we do always prosecute crimes against women when we know full well that is not true and Wendy is right!

Does this program repeat?  I would like to see all of that interesting discussion.

I don't think you can watch it later like Greta and Nancy. That is really about all that was said. She went to break and came back talking about a diff. case.

No, I don't see it listed later.  Wendy Murphy seems to be on a crusade to have crimes against women considered as hate crimes which is what it might take to stop this epidemic of them.  I really like to hear Wendy,  Dana has her on often.

.

[MumInOhio]

Janet...Respectfully...I answered this when you asked a little while back. I said then that you and I were never on exactly the same page. My research is ongoing.

Thank you for bringing my posts over from Shango. Hopefully it will help some to see that I ask questions when I am not satisfied with what has been posted or the answers that are given.

Mum ... in May, 2008 you had come to a conclusion and ... were not going to uphold CAPS.  You backed up ;your reasoning perfectly and ... I agreed.  Your reasoning was what I had claimed from the getgo ... two months prior.

Mum ... it is so important to me.  I want to know what changed your position.

Sincerely, Janet

Janet...You are like a pitbull...LOL

Nobody knows my position on this at this time...I am not ready to elaborate any more...I am Sorry.

[Keepthefaith]

CapsLockWizard
"Just watch this week for the arrest of a major player of the game...and probably a big strike in the making and uproar in the house of Babylon."

Who is to be arrested?how will it impact the investigation?Will this be political with no implications on the holloway case?I guess this week will tell...

[Tamikosmom]

Janet...Respectfully...I answered this when you asked a little while back. I said then that you and I were never on exactly the same page. My research is ongoing.

Thank you for bringing my posts over from Shango. Hopefully it will help some to see that I ask questions when I am not satisfied with what has been posted or the answers that are given.

Mum ... in May, 2008 you had come to a conclusion and ... were not going to uphold CAPS.  You backed up ;your reasoning perfectly and ... I agreed.  Your reasoning was what I had claimed from the getgo ... two months prior.

Mum ... it is so important to me.  I want to know what changed your position.

Sincerely, Janet

Janet...You are like a pitbull...LOL

Nobody knows my position on this at this time...I am not ready to elaborate any more...I am Sorry.

 

[wreck]

CapsLockWizard
"Just watch this week for the arrest of a major player of the game...and probably a big strike in the making and uproar in the house of Babylon."

Who is to be arrested?how will it impact the investigation?Will this be political with no implications on the holloway case?I guess this week will tell...

Babylon?? Is Caps Shango and/or Simian??? Just questons, just questions.

[Keepthefaith]

O/T.I don't like the Oregon Ducks either Wreck!

[2NJSons_Mom]

CapsLockWizard
"Just watch this week for the arrest of a major player of the game...and probably a big strike in the making and uproar in the house of Babylon."

Who is to be arrested?how will it impact the investigation?Will this be political with no implications on the holloway case?I guess this week will tell...

Yes, and as I posted earlier, since Caps announced it here, is the major player now aware that it is imminent?