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ARUBA: It's all about Natalee...we won't give up!


« Reply #920 on: January 03, 2009, 02:38:26 PM »



Wish his tongue would get tangled up in the turntable
ANd WTH happened to his head? Looks like mange to me 

 
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I stand with the girl, Natalee Holloway.

"I can look back over the past 10 years and there were no steps wasted, and there are no regrets,'' she said. "I did all I knew to do and I think that gives me greater peace now." "I've lived every parent's worst nightmare and I'm the parent that nobody wants to be," she said.

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« Reply #921 on: January 03, 2009, 02:38:33 PM »

Art Collie, I was thinking severe ringworm but you may be right about it being mange.

We do tend to think along canine lines, don't we, lol.

Yes, Anna, we do, lol, They need to get THAT boy to a vet, QUICK! 


Yep, do SCRAPINGS even!   



 
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« Reply #922 on: January 03, 2009, 02:40:43 PM »

To add to the maritime confusion, there is also a Dutch Marine presence in the area.  Not sure which the Panther/Panter belonged to after all this time.

I believe we were told there were 2-3 Aruban Coast Guard vessels, one of which was the Panter.

Wasn't that the Panter in the Aru-bay videos, off the coast near California Lighthouse--where the videos were capturing the activities?
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« Reply #923 on: January 03, 2009, 02:46:49 PM »

So, if there were no human remains in that cage and ALE knows it, because they retrieved the contents on the 7th, why waste time vacuuming the sand?  Didn't we recently here it was shells or coral?
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« Reply #924 on: January 03, 2009, 02:49:43 PM »

So, if there were no human remains in that cage and ALE knows it, because they retrieved the contents on the 7th, why waste time vacuuming the sand?  Didn't we recently here it was shells or coral?

Good question since vacuuming the sand would imply searching for artifacts related to the contents of the cage.
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« Reply #925 on: January 03, 2009, 02:50:59 PM »

So, if there were no human remains in that cage and ALE knows it, because they retrieved the contents on the 7th, why waste time vacuuming the sand?  Didn't we recently here it was shells or coral?

and plastic.
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« Reply #926 on: January 03, 2009, 02:53:27 PM »

So, if there were no human remains in that cage and ALE knows it, because they retrieved the contents on the 7th, why waste time vacuuming the sand?  Didn't we recently here it was shells or coral?

Good question since vacuuming the sand would imply searching for artifacts related to the contents of the cage.

Or, removing them so they will never be found again.  We don't know, yet; but, something was going on.  We do know that much.
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« Reply #927 on: January 03, 2009, 02:56:23 PM »

So, if there were no human remains in that cage and ALE knows it, because they retrieved the contents on the 7th, why waste time vacuuming the sand?  Didn't we recently here it was shells or coral?

Good question since vacuuming the sand would imply searching for artifacts related to the contents of the cage.

Or, removing them so they will never be found again.  We don't know, yet; but, something was going on.  We do know that much.

Yes, something was certainly going on. I hope we will learn just what that was. Given Aruba's track record in handling evidence, I would say removing them and "disappearing" them, is the best answer. Time will tell, I suppose.
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« Reply #928 on: January 03, 2009, 02:56:24 PM »

So, if there were no human remains in that cage and ALE knows it, because they retrieved the contents on the 7th, why waste time vacuuming the sand?  Didn't we recently here it was shells or coral?

and plastic.


Interesting that John S. would say it was only broken plastic bags that looked like a skull.  (Yep, looked like a skull, and a sneaker, plus other assorted articles.)  Ziplocks create magic!
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« Reply #929 on: January 03, 2009, 02:56:27 PM »

Does this look like Ramona Rodriguez? Only one I see in the NJ system, but it might be from a prior arrest.





BB - I could be wrong, but I don't think that's her.  There's a picture of her in the Shango thread somewhere.  It was taken at the prison in Hudson County during a video arrangement of some kind.  She's pretty heavy set.  I think her arrest information said that she was born in the DR and had a jewelry business in Aruba and Brooklyn.  He daughter, niece, sister, or relationship undefined was arrested the same morning over in the Bronx.  It was a joint task force effort.  Her name is Lucy Tejera.  Ramona's is Ramona Rodriguez Tejera.  Both had 8 kilos of heroin.  Daury was arrested a month later and he also had 8 kilos.  Ramona and Daury were initially held in the Hudson County Prison in Kearny, but Daury has since been moved to a Morris County prison.
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« Reply #930 on: January 03, 2009, 02:59:34 PM »

To add to the maritime confusion, there is also a Dutch Marine presence in the area.  Not sure which the Panther/Panter belonged to after all this time.
I was going to ask the same thing, but the forum crashed for me! Is the Panter/Panther Aruban or is it Dutch owned?
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« Reply #931 on: January 03, 2009, 03:01:04 PM »

So, if there were no human remains in that cage and ALE knows it, because they retrieved the contents on the 7th, why waste time vacuuming the sand?  Didn't we recently here it was shells or coral?

Good question since vacuuming the sand would imply searching for artifacts related to the contents of the cage.

Or, removing them so they will never be found again.  We don't know, yet; but, something was going on.  We do know that much.

Yes, something was certainly going on. I hope we will learn just what that was. Given Aruba's track record in handling evidence, I would say removing them and "disappearing" them, is the best answer. Time will tell, I suppose.

There is a slim possibility that something else is going on, but it's very slim.  We have watched and seen the track record.

Aruba should know by now that they must do something to produce Natalee, or this will NEVER END.  If their "Grand Finale" includes NATALEE . . . HOME, Aruba may escape worse consequences.
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« Reply #932 on: January 03, 2009, 03:01:43 PM »



Yes, I do think there could be a Colombian connection.  I started that line of thinking over a year ago and located an individual there with Aruba ties.  I also thought it odd that three nights in a row you Joran and Deepak admittedly together, but none of those times did they admit being with Freddy or Jaime.  Freddy and Jaime along with the Gottenbos bros. were the closer friends.  The statement given by Jaime is curious because of the timing of the phone calls from Joran.  Also, on 5/30 Jaime ends up at the Wyndham at the same time Andre says Joran and Guido coincidently stepped out of the casino. 

I have often believed they may have been meeting Jaime in the parking lot.

Would the Columbian ties come from Jamie then?  Is Jamie from Columbia and is his family tied into a cartel of some sorts?  (guess most families in Columbia are tied into drugs in some shape or form-guess this is a stupid question on my part).

Yes, he is Colombian.  As for his family...I'm working on that.



Jamie lived with his dad and there were some money problems.  Jamie's mother died before Natalee disappeared.  Joran reported that Jamie's mom was the first dead body that he had seen.

also interesting that he didn't say it was the ONLY dead body he had seen. how many 17 year olds see multiple dead bodies?



Great catch Rob!!!  I didn't think of it that way.
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« Reply #933 on: January 03, 2009, 03:05:13 PM »

So, if there were no human remains in that cage and ALE knows it, because they retrieved the contents on the 7th, why waste time vacuuming the sand?  Didn't we recently here it was shells or coral?

Good question since vacuuming the sand would imply searching for artifacts related to the contents of the cage.

Or, removing them so they will never be found again.  We don't know, yet; but, something was going on.  We do know that much.

Yes, something was certainly going on. I hope we will learn just what that was. Given Aruba's track record in handling evidence, I would say removing them and "disappearing" them, is the best answer. Time will tell, I suppose.

There is a slim possibility that something else is going on, but it's very slim.  We have watched and seen the track record.

Aruba should know by now that they must do something to produce Natalee, or this will NEVER END.  If their "Grand Finale" includes NATALEE . . . HOME, Aruba may escape worse consequences.


I agree, anything less just won't "cut it" at this point in time.
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« Reply #934 on: January 03, 2009, 03:05:15 PM »

Thank-you SS, I think I am wrong about the photo too.
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« Reply #935 on: January 03, 2009, 03:12:16 PM »

So, if there were no human remains in that cage and ALE knows it, because they retrieved the contents on the 7th, why waste time vacuuming the sand?  Didn't we recently here it was shells or coral?

I cannot comprehend why Kyle Kingman and John Silvetti were attempting to cut a deal with the major networks in regards to a discovery that was not related to the Natalee Holloway case.

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Kyle: I've talked with Peter Shouten numerous times back in February. He hasn't seen anything but knows about the blue fabrics. DeVries and Endemol was interested in purchasing the ROV footage and I was working between them, ABC, and CBS to strike a deal.

Kyle: Louis is currently working with someone who I do not know to put together some documentary on the case, the way it was handled, and what happened during the search. I learned this from Tim T. yesterday. Louis was sold on the idea that it will make him a lot of money.

Kyle: She [BETH] needs to know exactly what we found in the proper timing. The way to do that would be through Tim Trahan and I. I can arrange any meeting with him. He represents the owner and the rights to the data, in this case, Louis S. I have everything but I don't want to go around him for chain of custody reasons, professional courtesy, and friendship.
 
The next step:

I will soon propose a meeting with Beth and other family members, myself, Tim Trahan, Peter DeVries, and whomever else necessary to go over the ROV video, contents, and case status. I would like a couple people very familiar with the case documents also present to help connect dots during the meeting. I would prefer meeting towards the end of April or mid-May to allow adequate time for things to shake themselves out if is going to. If necessary, I have an ABC (20/20) and CBS (early show) film crew ready and willing to take part in such a meeting should it require press coverage. I've already had a meeting with ABC about this and they are "definitely interested" at the executive level. We met in mid-Feb about this already. The question becomes timing, who needs to be there, and whether or not it's covered by the press. I prefer not, but it may be useful. DeVries doesn't need to be there in my opinion but he's good for ratings and helps ABC be cooperative if needed.
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« Reply #936 on: January 03, 2009, 03:16:21 PM »

So, if there were no human remains in that cage and ALE knows it, because they retrieved the contents on the 7th, why waste time vacuuming the sand?  Didn't we recently here it was shells or coral?

Good question since vacuuming the sand would imply searching for artifacts related to the contents of the cage.

Or, removing them so they will never be found again.  We don't know, yet; but, something was going on.  We do know that much.

Yes, something was certainly going on. I hope we will learn just what that was. Given Aruba's track record in handling evidence, I would say removing them and "disappearing" them, is the best answer. Time will tell, I suppose.

There is a slim possibility that something else is going on, but it's very slim.  We have watched and seen the track record.

Aruba should know by now that they must do something to produce Natalee, or this will NEVER END.  If their "Grand Finale" includes NATALEE . . . HOME, Aruba may escape worse consequences.


I agree, anything less just won't "cut it" at this point in time.

It's all Natalee's family wanted from the beginning.  It's the PRIME FACTOR in the efforts, and the main reason this has continued.  I hope Aruba has realized it . . . finally.

One good thing is that the activities surrounding the cage/trap indicate Natalee was not completely destroyed.  Even if they are trying to snooker us (once again) it won't work without the actual remains verified by the FBI.
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« Reply #937 on: January 03, 2009, 03:16:57 PM »

So, if there were no human remains in that cage and ALE knows it, because they retrieved the contents on the 7th, why waste time vacuuming the sand?  Didn't we recently here it was shells or coral?

and plastic.


Interesting that John S. would say it was only broken plastic bags that looked like a skull.  (Yep, looked like a skull, and a sneaker, plus other assorted articles.)  Ziplocks create magic!

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John is not a believer in the trap. He took ALE's word as gospel that it wasn't case related, yet never studied the videos or bothered to inquire further. He had plans on doing business with Aruba and in S. America and he didn't want to hurt any feelings by talks hinting at lack of complete trust and friendship.
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« Reply #938 on: January 03, 2009, 03:17:16 PM »

To add to the maritime confusion, there is also a Dutch Marine presence in the area.  Not sure which the Panther/Panter belonged to after all this time.
I was going to ask the same thing, but the forum crashed for me! Is the Panter/Panther Aruban or is it Dutch owned?



Wreck - I think it's Dutch.  Somewhere there are photo comparisons of the Panter and other Dutch Coast Guard ships, the Aruba-Bay videos, and some pictures of the Panter in a Dutch harbor.
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« Reply #939 on: January 03, 2009, 03:17:25 PM »

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