Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, Missing 6/16/08 Orlando FL (Remains Found) #85

[Nut44x4]

Just to make myself clear from a post I made yesterday.......I don't believe Casey HAS/IS  MPD. I do think the defense may try and use it if they can 'get' a 'diagnosis'. Of course she isn't MPD. In any case, they will certainly use some sort of mental defense. I listed a few back ohhhhhh some ..... 700 threads ago 

[Shan1628]

Happy New Year everybody - just a quick post here as I've got to go run errands.

I still cannot be of the opinion that George or Cin Cin were in the dark regarding what may have befallen Caylee on the evening of the 15th, as the natural reaction would have been for them to have called LE while still at the towyard upon smelling that odor. 

George even remarked about his relief to the tow yard man that it wasn't his daughter or grandaughter in there once the car was opened.  But, he had already expressed his distress to the towyard man that his daughter [ and I think grandaughter ] had been nowhere to be found for quite sometime. 

So, if he is really ignorant of their fate & whereabouts, he would have become very frightened at the odor on the spot and would have immediately contacted LE from the towyard for help, in my opinion.   This has always nagged me and speaks volumes.  And then we hear Lee's amusement at his father having to drive the stinky car home - we don't hear any natural concern  [ regarding  the cause of the odor ] from Lee either.  Did all three already know everything ?  Was everything simply a public 'cover your rear' charade beginning with those 911 calls ?  Things do not add up starting then, imo.

IMO they all suspected Casey was guilty, but none of them could prove it. I think all of them half hoped she wasn't, and that eventually it would turn out that the decomp in the car was a dog she had hit while joyriding, and meant to bury and forgot about. Or a guy who tried to rape &  kill her and Caylee and she killed him a la Thelma & Louise, and rode around with him in the trunk awhile trying to think what to do before throwing him in the river....or anything, anything but Caylee.

George would have become frightened at the odor, sure, but he also mentioned thinking that Casey finally ripped off the wrong guy....IMO he may have thought there were bigger forces involved, like Mafia, corrupt LE, and/or gangs, and that LE would be useless against that kind of thing anyway. He couldn't prove Casey did it, and he didn't want to be stuck with an acquitted Casey in the house who had a vendetta against him and the family.

Lee & Cindy, IMO, suspected Casey was guilty, but when they thought about what it would be like if they cooperated with LE and then Casey was acquitted, or what it would be like if Casey had a large violent gang of child pornographers and drug dealers on her side against them, they decided to play it safe, because they did NOT have any solid proof against Casey. They didn't know where the body was.

Cindy got the friends together to work on the timeline and make sure they were "all on the same page emotionally." She "didn't want to lose another one," and she didn't want to believe what was happening was even possible, and she was ready to believe that whatever was in the trunk, it wasn't Caylee. She convinced herself that Casey didn't kill Caylee, and went into deep denial. Unconsciously she actually tried to tell on Casey. The whole family in between the lines is pumping Casey for information and she knows it.

She decides she doesn't want to see Lee anymore, because he keeps calling her on her lies. She tells him in code where the body is hoping he'll move the body, but he doesn't. She decides he's on the side of LE. Which he probably IS.

I've always known the pool ladder story was a complete fabrication. And I think they told that whopper to let Casey see they were "on her side." They're supporting her 100%. But they'll say RIGHT IN FRONT OF LP, that they ought to give the wrong hairbrush, so Casey will hear and know how loyal they are.

I don't think any of them want Casey free. They just don't want her dead.

ITA Fuzzball, I love your posts always full of great detail and information!!   

I like to read Fuzzball's post too.I'm not so good at getting my thoughts down in writing.
Fuzzy does it quite nicely. 

Same here, Trim.  I have a rough time trying to express how i feel.  Fuzz does an excellent job, of course, mostly all our monkeys do!!   

[NO1ZMONKEY]

Thanks Monkeys. I didn't think there was anything new, but you know, sometimes I miss things right in front of me!  

I figured things would be slow with the holidays, but now everything is over (have to take my tree down today), I would expect to be hearing more things. Especially when will they have a funeral for little Caylee? I hope they lay her to rest soon. They can't put it off much longer! I don't care if they are doing it because they want to hold off any kind of trouble for themselves. If they do it much longer people will really get "angry" with them! The poor little girl layed out in those woods for 6 mos, she needs to be given a proper burial so she can rest in peace. Sorry, it just makes me angry they are "waiting". If we don't hear anything this week about a funeral date, I will get suspicious!!

Yeah holidays come and go so quickly..I kind of expected Caylee news to die down during these off days, but im sure it will resume, with the funeral having to come up soon. The thing about the funeral is, first off im glad its the defense that is taking this long to examine caylees bones...had it been the prosecution i can see the family having a fit because they just want to lay her down to rest. But since its KC and her lawyer holding this up they will keep tight lipped. Also I can respect that they are not rushing the burial, that would just bring up even more speculation upon them..ie) they're trying to destroy evidence, they want to hide the answers. wha wha wha.

B4 we know it, it will be March, and we will have a definitive date of when the actual trial is going to start. whoopee!

[Shan1628]

Thanks Monkeys. I didn't think there was anything new, but you know, sometimes I miss things right in front of me!  

I figured things would be slow with the holidays, but now everything is over (have to take my tree down today), I would expect to be hearing more things. Especially when will they have a funeral for little Caylee? I hope they lay her to rest soon. They can't put it off much longer! I don't care if they are doing it because they want to hold off any kind of trouble for themselves. If they do it much longer people will really get "angry" with them! The poor little girl layed out in those woods for 6 mos, she needs to be given a proper burial so she can rest in peace. Sorry, it just makes me angry they are "waiting". If we don't hear anything this week about a funeral date, I will get suspicious!!

QM, I am already suspicious.  That poor baby should've had a proper burial by now.  The A's continue to play their games while Caylee is denied a proper resting place.  Makes me sick...I hope someday, TRUTH would walk right up to them and SLAP them right in the face.  They wouldnt know how to act.   

[trimmonthelake]

Thanks Monkeys. I didn't think there was anything new, but you know, sometimes I miss things right in front of me!  

I figured things would be slow with the holidays, but now everything is over (have to take my tree down today), I would expect to be hearing more things. Especially when will they have a funeral for little Caylee? I hope they lay her to rest soon. They can't put it off much longer! I don't care if they are doing it because they want to hold off any kind of trouble for themselves. If they do it much longer people will really get "angry" with them! The poor little girl layed out in those woods for 6 mos, she needs to be given a proper burial so she can rest in peace. Sorry, it just makes me angry they are "waiting". If we don't hear anything this week about a funeral date, I will get suspicious!!

QM, I am already suspicious.  That poor baby should've had a proper burial by now.  The A's continue to play their games while Caylee is denied a proper resting place.  Makes me sick...I hope someday, TRUTH would walk right up to them and SLAP them right in the face.  They wouldnt know how to act.   

Probably need a double slap. 

[trimmonthelake]

Just to make myself clear from a post I made yesterday.......I don't believe Casey HAS/IS  MPD. I do think the defense may try and use it if they can 'get' a 'diagnosis'. Of course she isn't MPD. In any case, they will certainly use some sort of mental defense. I listed a few back ohhhhhh some ..... 700 threads ago 

Morning Nut.   

[Shan1628]

Thanks Monkeys. I didn't think there was anything new, but you know, sometimes I miss things right in front of me!  

I figured things would be slow with the holidays, but now everything is over (have to take my tree down today), I would expect to be hearing more things. Especially when will they have a funeral for little Caylee? I hope they lay her to rest soon. They can't put it off much longer! I don't care if they are doing it because they want to hold off any kind of trouble for themselves. If they do it much longer people will really get "angry" with them! The poor little girl layed out in those woods for 6 mos, she needs to be given a proper burial so she can rest in peace. Sorry, it just makes me angry they are "waiting". If we don't hear anything this week about a funeral date, I will get suspicious!!

QM, I am already suspicious.  That poor baby should've had a proper burial by now.  The A's continue to play their games while Caylee is denied a proper resting place.  Makes me sick...I hope someday, TRUTH would walk right up to them and SLAP them right in the face.  They wouldnt know how to act.   

Probably need a double slap. 

Truth-----><-------Anthony's     

[NO1ZMONKEY]

Thanks so much for this information, Wyks.  It is a fascinating subject, but probably not so much for someone who has actually experienced it.  I appreciate your insight.  I would really like to be in the same room with her just for a few minutes.  I'd like to get a first hand impression of her.  Of course, I'd like to see her looking like Hannibal Lector, all trussed up wouldn't trust her any farther than I could throw her.

You're welcome akmom!  Glad to help.  I'd like to be in the same room with her too.  Five minutes, that's all I ask.     Bet we monkeys could get the truth out of her, eh? 

 

Morning Trim!! Ahh what I would do with an entire evening with KC Anthony. I am a firm believer that children and drunks always tell the truth. I would throw my gift of the gab with her, pull out my bag of pot, and buy her a bottle of tequila. Get her so twisted, and ask trick questions like..." so what did you do when you dropped caylee off with zenaida on the 16?" 

..ahh wishes..

Ahhhh, what i wouldnt do to be a fly on the wall!!!!!   

haha, i so would let you be there but i would make you video record, tape record and type out transcripts..hahaha...so i could get really into the role. haha. and have a transcript of everything crazy has to say.

[Shan1628]

Thanks so much for this information, Wyks.  It is a fascinating subject, but probably not so much for someone who has actually experienced it.  I appreciate your insight.  I would really like to be in the same room with her just for a few minutes.  I'd like to get a first hand impression of her.  Of course, I'd like to see her looking like Hannibal Lector, all trussed up wouldn't trust her any farther than I could throw her.

You're welcome akmom!  Glad to help.  I'd like to be in the same room with her too.  Five minutes, that's all I ask.     Bet we monkeys could get the truth out of her, eh? 

 

Morning Trim!! Ahh what I would do with an entire evening with KC Anthony. I am a firm believer that children and drunks always tell the truth. I would throw my gift of the gab with her, pull out my bag of pot, and buy her a bottle of tequila. Get her so twisted, and ask trick questions like..." so what did you do when you dropped caylee off with zenaida on the 16?" 

..ahh wishes..

Ahhhh, what i wouldnt do to be a fly on the wall!!!!!   

haha, i so would let you be there but i would make you video record, tape record and type out transcripts..hahaha...so i could get really into the role. haha. and have a transcript of everything crazy has to say.

No Problem 

[trimmonthelake]

Just to make myself clear from a post I made yesterday.......I don't believe Casey HAS/IS  MPD. I do think the defense may try and use it if they can 'get' a 'diagnosis'. Of course she isn't MPD. In any case, they will certainly use some sort of mental defense. I listed a few back ohhhhhh some ..... 700 threads ago 

I can't say what her diagnosis is,but I do know if we had to share a cell I knock her azz in the head every night and tie her up in her own bed sheet. 

[MomofaMarine]

http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/local/caylee-anthony/


Caylee Anthony & Casey Anthony Coverage


This link has tons of information on the case.

[trimmonthelake]

http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/local/caylee-anthony/


Caylee Anthony & Casey Anthony Coverage


This link has tons of information on the case.

Good Morning MomofaMarine. Thanks.   

[theboyzmom]

Hi mt!  Have you heard how MM's grbabies are doing?

Hi Mammy

I have been lurking for awhile, but saw your post.   The baby boy is not doing so well but we are praying for him.  The premature baby girl is doing better.  Not easy to talk about.  But thanks for asking. 

I will keep all of you in my prayers. Keep us posted please.

[Nut44x4]

mornin' back at ya trim and everyone   

[NewfieMonkey]

Just to make myself clear from a post I made yesterday.......I don't believe Casey HAS/IS  MPD. I do think the defense may try and use it if they can 'get' a 'diagnosis'. Of course she isn't MPD. In any case, they will certainly use some sort of mental defense. I listed a few back ohhhhhh some ..... 700 threads ago 

Morning everyone!  (Thanks for the coffee QM)

Nut - If Baez uses a mental defense ... can prosecution bring in his statements where he's told the press more than once that she is not suffering from insanity?  I mean it's out there in the news media ... it's not something just between him and her.

Also ... does anyone know what time the presser is tomorrow?  I actually have to go into my "work place" office sometime tomorrow ... but will schedule myself to be in my "home" office if I know when it is!   

[theboyzmom]

Just some general thoughts on the family dynamics in the Anthony family, my thoughts from the personal experience of my own family.  I see similarities between my family and the Anthonys.

In my own family, my sister (I'll call her Sarah) got pregnant when she was 17 and unmarried.  My parents gave her the choice of adopting the baby out or keeping the baby.  I don't know why, but Sarah kept the baby even though she still liked to party.  She would stay out all night and my parents would try to put their foot down but Sarah's behavior didn't change.  For the welfare of her daughter ("Sue"), my parents became the primary caretakers of the child. 

My parents were totally in love with "Sue".  While my parents felt that they failed Sarah (they were really ashamed of her sexual promiscuity, laziness, selfishness and dishonesty), they grew to love Sarah and dote on her.  It's almost as if they were making up for where they (felt they) went wrong with my sister.  I would say they even put "Sue" on a pedestal.

Sarah felt judged and trapped because of the pregnancy, and she was very jealous of the attention that Sue got.  (My sister, like Casey, was very self absorbed and a pathological lier.)

My sister passed away a few years ago . . . and although there was no physical violence between Sarah and her daughter, there was a lot of psychological abuse and emotional neglect.  They had not talked for 20 years before her death.  They never ever bonded, never had a mother/daughter relationship.

For a long time my parents had me convinced that my sister was a bad person because she got pregnant.  I now have empathy for my sister because I guess she was trapped into acting like she was someone she wasn't (she wasn't ready to be a parent).  However, I also realize that my sister was narcisstic and was quick to justify her selfish and dishonest behavior because she felt judged or trapped.

The biggest problem with Sarah was her lies.  Her behavior dominated the family.  The rest of us in the family (me included) enabled her behavior because she was downright scary when confronted or it just fell on deaf ears.

Of course I feel like Sarah is like Casey and Sue is like Caylee.  I identify with the dysfunction that affected the family and the way that for the most part no one confronted my sister or Casey.

I think Cindy put all her energies into Caylee and made her the center of her world and Casey resented it.  Where she may have gone wrong with Casey, she was making it all good with Caylee.

I am not excusing Casey's behavior.  If my sister was alive today, I would take her by the shoulders and shake her and try to get her to see the light so to speak.  But I know she would just do as she always did, tell bold faced impossible to believe lies and never hold herself accountable for her behavior.

I am at peace with my family dynamics (therefore, I am not telling you this for any kind of sympathy).  Understanding that many families have problems and being honest about my past has really contributed to my healing.  It is also helped that I have had a spiritual awakening through a 12 step recovery program.

By the way, no one would guess we were such a dysfunctional family . . . a lot of energy was spend on appearing to be normal!

Karen

It is amazing to me how many people have dysfunctional families. I know mine was not normal - but not as strange as some but still plenty strange. I also have found much acceptance through the 12 step program - and Dr. Laura's book - bad childhood, good life. I still think it is the saddest thing I have heard that people drag children into these screwed up situations.

[Today]

Good Morning

[Monken]

GOOD MORNING ALL!!

I just can't help but believe one of the reasons for the delay in Caylee's memorial service is the Holidays. I can't imagine myself having to relive my grandchild's funeral at Christmas every year for the rest of my life. If the A's didn't think of this, someone associated with them may have. I just believe they wanted to move it past the Holidays & into the new year as much as possible. Also, the two weeks during the Holidays is basically shut down as far as any work goes & that is probably another delay. I was just thinking about John Travolta's son & his death being on Newyears. Every year from now on Newyears will be associated with this tragedy for them. Something like this is horrible enough on any day, let alone a Holiday where there normally is celebration. JMO!

[Today]

It is possible that anyone can use any name in creating a MySpace and/or Website.  That being said.

Roy Kronk MySpace

This is the reason for my disclaimer
Roy Kronk Website
After a month long hunt for missing Caylee Marie Anthonhy, her body was finally found in a wooded area less than a mile away from where she was reported missing, by Mr. Roy Kronk.

Roy Kronk is the Orlando, FL utility worker who discover the remains of Caylee on December 10th, 2008.

[Western Observr]

Just to make myself clear from a post I made yesterday.......I don't believe Casey HAS/IS  MPD. I do think the defense may try and use it if they can 'get' a 'diagnosis'. Of course she isn't MPD. In any case, they will certainly use some sort of mental defense. I listed a few back ohhhhhh some ..... 700 threads ago 

I can't say what her diagnosis is,but I do know if we had to share a cell I knock her azz in the head every night and tie her up in her own bed sheet. 

Be sure to use plenty of duct tape..