Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, Missing 6/16/08 Orlando FL (Remains Found) #85

[da sparkenator]

No one answered my question from earlier:  Hence I will repeat it.   Animals are not interested in dry bones, but Caylee's bones were scattered.  Does this mean that she couldnt have been in the trunk of the car for 11 days and therefore her body would have been more or less intact??????

I have no idea . . . but I'm not ignoring you. I even know you got up the same time as I did today (at 1).  Are we going to be up late tonight?

Karen

[Tamikosmom]

OK mytime

WHERE IS DUCKY!!!

I was about to leave the cage for the night.  I called Ducky and ... I called Ducky.  My best friend in the whole wide world did not respond.  He did not come waddling up to me as fast as his little webbed feet would go.

mytime ... if you do not give him up ... I will be forced to spend the night in the cage.  If I am fored to spend the night in the cage ... I will not sleep and ... will be in a very bad mood tomorrow.  I will attack your every post.

RIGHT NOW!!!  ONE!  TWO!  THREE! ...

Janet

[islandmonkey]

It seems secondhand information, which may be hearsay, could play a role in this investigation.  Thank the Lord for taped conversations.  I have read some things about hearsay and it is still confusing.  For instance, will Amy be able to say that Cindy told her Casey was a sociopath?

I doubt it as they could argue specualtion (although we know that beyond a shadow of any doubt)........however an excited utterance gets you around the heresay rules.

Isn't there a difference between beyond shadow of doubt vs beyond reasonable doubt?

Yes, reasonable doubt is different than no doubt........


REASONABLE DOUBT - The level of certainty a juror must have to find a defendant guilty of a crime. A real doubt, based upon reason and common sense after careful and impartial consideration of all the evidence, or lack of evidence, in a case.

Proof beyond a reasonable doubt, therefore, is proof of such a convincing character that you would be willing to rely and act upon it without hesitation in the most important of your own affairs. However, it does not mean an absolute certainty.

[Hudsunn]

I remember in the Van Damm case, Brenda van Damm said on the stand that she had spoken to Westerfield and what they talked about and what he said to her, etc. 

[AZLady]

No one answered my question from earlier:  Hence I will repeat it.   Animals are not interested in dry bones, but Caylee's bones were scattered.  Does this mean that she couldnt have been in the trunk of the car for 11 days and therefore her body would have been more or less intact??????

When you say that animals are not interested in dry bones, we have to suppose that Caylee's bones were "dry" and that animals are not interested in such.  However, we did hear several forensics experts on NG and Greta state that animals will scatter small bones over an area.  I am not sure how you can conclude the length of time in the car trunk from this.

[always 1]

And then, it was said, Caylee's body, in the bag, had to have been there for quite some time because the leaves under it were brown.  I wonder how long that would take in the damp hot soil of Florida???

[Hudsunn]

Always1, I think that LE considers that the body was in the car trunk for about 2 to 2 1/2 days, not eleven.  But there was a rumor about it being there for 11 days, and that always seemed pretty impossible.

[mytime]

Thank You Sparky!!

Muffy - may I please ask one question about LP and the lie detector test? 

mytime~ don't bait me.  Of course you can.  What I don't want is what I saw toward the end of the last thread. 

Not at sure what that means Muffy!  I just wondered if LP took lie detector test yet.  I have missed NG lately - that is all!!!

[Jerseygirl345]

It seems secondhand information, which may be hearsay, could play a role in this investigation.  Thank the Lord for taped conversations.  I have read some things about hearsay and it is still confusing.  For instance, will Amy be able to say that Cindy told her Casey was a sociopath?

I doubt it as they could argue specualtion (although we know that beyond a shadow of any doubt)........however an excited utterance gets you around the heresay rules.

Isn't there a difference between beyond shadow of doubt vs beyond reasonable doubt?

Yes, reasonable doubt is different than no doubt........


REASONABLE DOUBT - The level of certainty a juror must have to find a defendant guilty of a crime. A real doubt, based upon reason and common sense after careful and impartial consideration of all the evidence, or lack of evidence, in a case.

Proof beyond a reasonable doubt, therefore, is proof of such a convincing character that you would be willing to rely and act upon it without hesitation in the most important of your own affairs. However, it does not mean an absolute certainty.

Thanks..

[MuffyBee]

No one answered my question from earlier:  Hence I will repeat it.   Animals are not interested in dry bones, but Caylee's bones were scattered.  Does this mean that she couldnt have been in the trunk of the car for 11 days and therefore her body would have been more or less intact??????

A-1 ~  Sorry, didn't see your earlier post.   IMO If Caylee's remains were in a plastic bag in a trunk for 11 days, there would still be tissue and etc.  The bones wouldn't be dry in the amount of time.  When she was dumped, the bones probably weren't dry, and the animals may have gotten to the remains and scattered them. 
jmho

[always 1]

No one answered my question from earlier:  Hence I will repeat it.   Animals are not interested in dry bones, but Caylee's bones were scattered.  Does this mean that she couldnt have been in the trunk of the car for 11 days and therefore her body would have been more or less intact??????

I have no idea . . . but I'm not ignoring you. I even know you got up the same time as I did today (at 1).  Are we going to be up late tonight?

Karen

Yes, because I just ate a dry bowl of corn pops, then I drank a glasss of milk, now Im going to walk around like Casey to see if I can mix them up, then stay up late with you.

[AZLady]

The decomp in the car was about 2 1/2 days old.  However, if the body were removed from the car after 2 1/2 days, wrapped in a covering, and then returned to the car, the decomp in the car would be 2 1/2 days old even if the body were there longer, in a bag or something. 

I don't know about evidence showing how long the body and bag were in the woods.  If the area was submerged, would the leaves be yellow?  I'm sure LE knows.

[klaasend]

Thank You Sparky!!

Muffy - may I please ask one question about LP and the lie detector test? 

Nobody said LP could not be discussed.  All I said is no bashing TES.

[MuffyBee]

Thank You Sparky!!

Muffy - may I please ask one question about LP and the lie detector test? 

mytime~ don't bait me.  Of course you can.  What I don't want is what I saw toward the end of the last thread. 

Not at sure what that means Muffy!  I just wondered if LP took lie detector test yet.  I have missed NG lately - that is all!!!

I haven't heard if LP took the lie detector test yet or not. 

[always 1]

No one answered my question from earlier:  Hence I will repeat it.   Animals are not interested in dry bones, but Caylee's bones were scattered.  Does this mean that she couldnt have been in the trunk of the car for 11 days and therefore her body would have been more or less intact??????

When you say that animals are not interested in dry bones, we have to suppose that Caylee's bones were "dry" and that animals are not interested in such.  However, we did hear several forensics experts on NG and Greta state that animals will scatter small bones over an area.  I am not sure how you can conclude the length of time in the car trunk from this.

Ah, Az Lady, I have missed you!!!  I love the way you think.

[mytime]

OK mytime

WHERE IS DUCKY!!!

I was about to leave the cage for the night.  I called Ducky and ... I called Ducky.  My best friend in the whole wide world did not respond.  He did not come waddling up to me as fast as his little webbed feet would go.

mytime ... if you do not give him up ... I will be forced to spend the night in the cage.  If I am fored to spend the night in the cage ... I will not sleep and ... will be in a very bad mood tomorrow.  I will attack your every post.

RIGHT NOW!!!  ONE!  TWO!  THREE! ...

Janet

If you think you can come and go as you please without even so much as a hello - You were wrong.  Please show some proper manners and perhaps Duckie will want to come home with you!  TIA   

[AZLady]

Gotta go now, but it was nice catching up, Monkeys.  See you soon.

[BooMonkey]

Good night monkeys, dear daughter just pulled up!!

[Lucinda]

And then, it was said, Caylee's body, in the bag, had to have been there for quite some time because the leaves under it were brown.  I wonder how long that would take in the damp hot soil of Florida???

Hi A1, I was wondering along those lines the other day.  Do you think the forensics team would recreate the conditions, to be able to determine just exactly how long the bag was there.  Also, Im sure they can tell exactly how long, just by the type of dead undergrowth, bugs etc. 

[Tamikosmom]

OK mytime

WHERE IS DUCKY!!!

I was about to leave the cage for the night.  I called Ducky and ... I called Ducky.  My best friend in the whole wide world did not respond.  He did not come waddling up to me as fast as his little webbed feet would go.

mytime ... if you do not give him up ... I will be forced to spend the night in the cage.  If I am fored to spend the night in the cage ... I will not sleep and ... will be in a very bad mood tomorrow.  I will attack your every post.

RIGHT NOW!!!  ONE!  TWO!  THREE! ...

Janet

If you think you can come and go as you please without even so much as a hello - You were wrong.  Please show some proper manners and perhaps Duckie will want to come home with you!  TIA   

FOUR!  FIVE!  SIX! ....