Natalee Case Discussion #790 1/3/09 - 1/6/09

[Keepthefaith]

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"Costs research Holloway case more than 10 million dollars'

ORANGE CITY -- The investigation into the disappearance of Natalee Holloway is one of the most expensive criminal investigations of life in the world ever made. This is the main Aruban prosecutor Hans Mos said Tuesday at a press conference in Aruba.
"Keep a blow to the arm, but I estimate that the investigation more than 10 million dollars (around 7.5 million euros) took," said Moss.
"I dare the United States to-day with an equally expensive investigation into a life offense for the day to come. This took hands with money. Netherlands sent investigators who had to stay, and also F16 aircraft. "

In the pressconference Mos a.o. explains why the court didn't agree with the arrest of Joran after the DeVries/VdEems-tapes.
He gives a month by month insight in the investigation after the DV/VdE tapes. Amongst which investigations into Daury (he is now in a US prison for drug-dealings), into the beachtelephone. Joran was heared again and some 20 other witnesses into Jorans shoe, Daury, and so on.
The Pond-witness was heared, the pond was not investigated by the OM but later by the Persistance crew.
And a lot more stuff.

The latest investigation into what Croes has said is not an OM investigation but from the Procureur Generaal.

That's what I've picked up.

Persistence?What pond?

[BUCKSHOT]

From Caps,
Hans Mos on radio; http://www.promoaruba.aw/

Mos was to receive a report of the polygraph of the pond witness from Tim Miller, he never received this.

"the withness what he saw, was not sure or could not be sure that joran was comming from the pond and Tim did not provided the report promissed to him. He is still waiting."

"and he explicit siad that the witness also could not come up with a proof on how he determine the pnd and how does he know that shure that he has seen Joran in monserat."

"and they are waiting on Tim Miller report to make case stronger."


The cage that was reported stolen from the fisherman's huts; the fisherman says the cage is at his home.
"the fox greta where Joran was talking to his father, it is not his father, they took the recordings and sent then to a foresenic analysis in Holland and they are not Paules on the tape."

"the case is not closed and will not close the case"

"On the clothing it is also not the clothing."

"they continue to investigate and implore any one to come forth that have seen or have some sort conclusif information and that can be sustainable that can go to an arrest."

They only have one chance at this so they do not want to jump the gun....(slightly translated, lol)


I was doing this very fast, I am on my lunch but this is what Caps told me has been said so far!

Needs to know who the witness is so he can intimidate with the threat of arrest and/or deportation.

That does not excuse the reality of the situation. Their were (human) remains spotted in a cage off Aruban shores. Coincidentally, those remains were never announced as found, yet images of them were leaked and posted on the internet and confirmed by reliable sources. Who gives a crap about the cage, now. Start worrying about its secret (from the public) contents, which more than likely, was the remains of NH.

Guess not...If the wrong cloth was sent for testing. Locate your zip-lock watertight baggies. Send them to the FBI for testing.

Awful odd that the police did not search those waters for years. Then, along comes the Persistence...Unknown corrupt members (from Aruba) board the ship to keep watchful eye...Searchers locate possible remains...All of a sudden, here comes a police boat...Tim Miller is pulled from the boat...Divers dive from a separate (police) boat, grab the contents of the cage, return to the separate (police) boat...And, Poof...The separate (police) boat is gone, the other divers are gone, and most importantly, the evidence is gone...

The case has been legally sabotaged...Not by mistake, either, but by design...

[hotping]

From Gretawire...

ARUBA PROSECUTOR 5 page letter (don’t miss the part where he trashes Fox and me…never dull..)
by Greta Van Susteren
I guess we got under the skin of Aruba prosecutor Hans Moss ..

….He and his office and the police failed to solve this missing person (murder?) so here is his idea: blame everyone else!

See the Aruban prosecutor’s 5 page release below….and, by the way, we still would like to help him but he is too busy taking cover!  Beth and Dave just want the answers — or even a fair and complete investigation.  They don’t want any more lies to them.


TUNE IN TONIGHT at 10pm eastern for more!

[RoxiBalboa]

Can someone tell me, if Beth were to file a civil suit, would it need to be filed in Aruba?

I feel so deflated. Aruba is just disgusting!!!!!! When does the new guy step in, and will he be taking over the Holloway investigation? (I'm sick of Mos' face). Are we supposed to feel sorry that they are making up amounts they have spent on this sham of an investigation. You might have spent a lot on paper shredders, but not much else (unless you add in the payoffs, then yes, you may have spent as much as you say)

[Nut44x4]

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"Costs research Holloway case more than 10 million dollars'

ORANGE CITY -- The investigation into the disappearance of Natalee Holloway is one of the most expensive criminal investigations of life in the world ever made. This is the main Aruban prosecutor Hans Mos said Tuesday at a press conference in Aruba.
"Keep a blow to the arm, but I estimate that the investigation more than 10 million dollars (around 7.5 million euros) took," said Moss.
"I dare the United States to-day with an equally expensive investigation into a life offense for the day to come. This took hands with money. Netherlands sent investigators who had to stay, and also F16 aircraft. "

They are so full of shit, they stink. Besides, Natalee was NOT the reason the F16's were in the area ... they were used because they were there on another matter.

[jen3560]

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"Costs research Holloway case more than 10 million dollars'

ORANGE CITY -- The investigation into the disappearance of Natalee Holloway is one of the most expensive criminal investigations of life in the world ever made. This is the main Aruban prosecutor Hans Mos said Tuesday at a press conference in Aruba.
"Keep a blow to the arm, but I estimate that the investigation more than 10 million dollars (around 7.5 million euros) took," said Moss.
"I dare the United States to-day with an equally expensive investigation into a life offense for the day to come. This took hands with money. Netherlands sent investigators who had to stay, and also F16 aircraft. "

In the pressconference Mos a.o. explains why the court didn't agree with the arrest of Joran after the DeVries/VdEems-tapes.
He gives a month by month insight in the investigation after the DV/VdE tapes. Amongst which investigations into Daury (he is now in a US prison for drug-dealings), into the beachtelephone. Joran was heared again and some 20 other witnesses into Jorans shoe, Daury, and so on.
The Pond-witness was heared, the pond was not investigated by the OM but later by the Persistance crew.
And a lot more stuff.

The latest investigation into what Croes has said is not an OM investigation but from the Procureur Generaal.

That's what I've picked up.

Persistence?What pond?

THE pond, LOL.

The pond that caps first said would be moko, then it was montanja.............then out of thin air comes a witness, and now all of a sudden it's the Monserrat pond.

THE pond that was drained/not drained........searched/not searched, LOL.

The pond was never drained - it dried up on its own

The pond was never searched by ALE - that was done while John Silvetti was back in Aruba for one of his many trips.  The one where he met with caps, at his home.

[Tamikosmom]

From Caps,
Hans Mos on radio; http://www.promoaruba.aw/

Mos was to receive a report of the polygraph of the pond witness from Tim Miller, he never received this.

"the withness what he saw, was not sure or could not be sure that joran was comming from the pond and Tim did not provided the report promissed to him. He is still waiting."

"and he explicit siad that the witness also could not come up with a proof on how he determine the pnd and how does he know that shure that he has seen Joran in monserat."

"and they are waiting on Tim Miller report to make case stronger."


The cage that was reported stolen from the fisherman's huts; the fisherman says the cage is at his home.

"the fox greta where Joran was talking to his father, it is not his father, they took the recordings and sent then to a foresenic analysis in Holland and they are not Paules on the tape."

"the case is not closed and will not close the case"

"On the clothing it is also not the clothing."

"they continue to investigate and implore any one to come forth that have seen or have some sort conclusif information and that can be sustainable that can go to an arrest."

They only have one chance at this so they do not want to jump the gun....(slightly translated, lol)


I was doing this very fast, I am on my lunch but this is what Caps told me has been said so far!

Didn't Tim Miller go to Aruba with the report on the pond witness and Mos would not see Him...Correct Me if I'm wrong Monkeys.....Mos is FOS!

Not necessarily.

Hans Mos just does not have the character to stand up for what is right and ... therefore becomes part of the problem ... not the solution.  Something akin to Kyle Kingman.  Hans and Kyle both know the truth regarding aspects of the coverup which is preventing justice from prevailing for Natalee Holloway ...

 

Janet

[bastibro]

http://tinyurl.com/8o59mc

"Costs research Holloway case more than 10 million dollars'

ORANGE CITY -- The investigation into the disappearance of Natalee Holloway is one of the most expensive criminal investigations of life in the world ever made. This is the main Aruban prosecutor Hans Mos said Tuesday at a press conference in Aruba.
"Keep a blow to the arm, but I estimate that the investigation more than 10 million dollars (around 7.5 million euros) took," said Moss.
"I dare the United States to-day with an equally expensive investigation into a life offense for the day to come. This took hands with money. Netherlands sent investigators who had to stay, and also F16 aircraft. "

In the pressconference Mos a.o. explains why the court didn't agree with the arrest of Joran after the DeVries/VdEems-tapes.
He gives a month by month insight in the investigation after the DV/VdE tapes. Amongst which investigations into Daury (he is now in a US prison for drug-dealings), into the beachtelephone. Joran was heared again and some 20 other witnesses into Jorans shoe, Daury, and so on.
The Pond-witness was heared, the pond was not investigated by the OM but later by the Persistance crew.
And a lot more stuff.

The latest investigation into what Croes has said is not an OM investigation but from the Procureur Generaal.

That's what I've picked up.

Persistence?What pond?

Monserat pond

[Nut44x4]

Was that Season 4,episode 1 of the Dog and Pony show?

We don't have a dog and pony smiley, so I will use this one that I dearly love

[hotping]

Press Anouncement

Ladies and gentlemen!

The Public Prosecutors Office Aruba and the Aruban Police Force would like to give you an updated summary about the investigation into the disappearance of Natalee Holloway.

Why? Three reasons

First of all there is the fact that a few months ago, based on the results of the investigation, the estimate was that the investigation could be ended by the end of 2008. More specifically I am referring to the re-opened investigation into the suspect in this case, Joran van der Sloot, against whom the criminal investigation was restarted after the broadcast of a Peter R. de Vries investigation last February. Because that program caused a new stream of information, this information first has to be examined which will take at least another few months.

Secondly, about six weeks ago an interview with Joran van der Sloot was broadcasted on an American cable news Channel. In this interview Joran tells a completely new version of the alleged facts that occurred concerning the disappearance of Natalee Holloway. Before showing the interview and in the days after the show the Aruban Prosecutors Office and the Aruban Police were alleged to be corrupt and unwilling to investigate possible leads in this case. We find it fit to address those allegations today.

The third reason is that my Office and the Police Department would like to urge all people that have information about things that have occurred on May 30th 2005 or about persons that are or might be involved in this case, whatever that information may be, to hand that information over to the Police or to the Public Prosecutors Office.

For a good understanding of the facts I would like to take you back to December 18th 2007. It was on that day that the three suspects in this case got official notice from my Office that the criminal investigation into their possible involvement in this case was ended. This did not mean that the investigation into the disappearance of Natalee Holloway also ended. On the contrary. That investigation never stopped. If new information or evidence would come up, the criminal investigation against any suspect in this case could be re-opened. This is possible as long as the statute of limitations does not prohibit this.

No one could imagine at that time that within a month from that decision this Office was confronted with the information that Dutch crime investigator Peter R de Vries had made secret camera shots of Joran van der Sloot talking about the case against a civilian under cover. After my Office got the tapes and before the actual broadcast of the Peter R. de Vries program, on our request the criminal investigation against Joran was re-opened by the investigating judge.

At the same time the investigation was fully operational again and had as a main goal to find as much corroborating evidence as possible of what Joran van der Sloot had told the under cover. The judge was asked to approve the third consecutive custody of Joran van der Sloot. The investigating judge against whose decision this Office lodged an appeal at the Common Court of Appeal in Curacao denied this approval. The Court of Appeal upheld the investigating judges’ decision, thus disabling Police to re-arrest Joran van der Sloot.

It is proper to take another look at the Court of Appeals’ decision. The Court of Appeal took into account the footage that was handed over by Peter de Vries as well as all the old investigative results of over nearly 3 years of investigation. Weighing whether there was enough new serious material, evidence (necessary to be able to put one into custody) the Court decided that the new elements that Joran had told the under cover were not corroborated by “objective facts”. On top of that the Court considered the fact that the suspect already had argued that there are objective facts that contradict the new elements that were told by him to the under cover. The fact that Joran has supplied the Police with a motive for his lying behavior and the fact that he has admitted that he often is not telling the truth, makes, according to the Court of Appeal, that the self incriminating new statements of Joran are devaluated.

In short: there is no corroborating evidence for the new self incriminating statements of Joran and the value of these statements is undermined by his own statement about his credibility.

What does the Court’s decision imply when we take a closer look?
1.    After an extensive and intensive investigation, the contents of the Police file combined with the new statements of Joran, does not hold enough evidence necessary to pass the threshold for a third consecutive term of pretrial custody.
2.    Logical conclusion from the above mentioned must be, that the evidence that we do have in the extensive files, is not enough to convict this suspect.

For that reason this Office has made the gathering of these “objective facts” that can serve as evidence against the main suspect it’s primary goal for the investigation from that point on.

What the Police and this Office have done:

•    Already on January 22nd 2008, the day after Peter de Vries had shown the tapes to the Public Prosecutor and the Police, the investigation into the person called “Daury” was started. Finally a person called Daury R. was identified and it turned out that he probably was involved in drug trafficking activities (as had been told by Joran). Because of that and following his own TV-appearance on 20-20, he was arrested in the USA on the suspicion of international drug trafficking. He is currently detained in the USA.
•    Investigation into the pay phone in the hotel garden was started as well as finding an answer to the question whether Joran had the possession of a credit card (necessary to use the phone).
•    On our request the National Prosecutor’s Office in Rotterdam as well as The National Crime Squad executed numerous requests, such as various house searches and finally the questioning of Joran van der Sloot.
•    Since then over 20 witnesses were interviewed, some of them for the second or third time. These interviews pertained mostly to Joran’s missing shoes and the person called “Daury”, Joran’s alleged accomplice.
•    Amongst the witnesses were the two brothers who previously were suspects in this case but who, by the new statements of Joran, received an alibi from Joran, when he told the under cover that the two brothers are “jerks” who don’t know anything about what had happened.
•    During his stay on Aruba the Police twice interviewed under cover “Patrick”.

Besides the Police investigation Peter de Vries’ program received an enormous amount of information. The serious tips were passed on to my Office in order to have them investigated.
Four of them could be investigated and led to thorough investigation.

Furthermore investigation was conducted into the statement of a fisherman, until that moment unknown by the Police or my Office. This witness, known by the Holloway family, claimed that in the night of the disappearance of Natalee Holloway a large knife was stolen from one of the Fisherman’s huts while at the same time a large crab cage was missing that at least was there until the month of April. This owner of the cage was also interviewed by the Police but told them that this allegedly missing cage had never been left at the huts but was always taken home.
He told the Police that Mrs. Holloway and the press approached him a long time ago and that he had told them his story. His identity was never officially revealed to the Police. It was because the Persistence ship at that time was searching for relevant material on the sea bed that the story about the cage and the fisherman came up in a conversation between this Office and Mr. Dave Holloway, which led this Office to the identity of the witness.

As you may know, the expedition of the Persistence led to only one finding that was supposed to be relevant to this case. Special Police divers brought certain material to the surface of which one might assume could be the clothes of Natalee Holloway. These samples were sent to the FBI laboratory. After examination by the FBI the result was that these samples did not match the clothes of Natalee.

In the month of March 2008 a witness who was urged by Dave Holloway to step forward confronted the Prosecutor’s Office. The man gave a statement on March 16th 2008 accompanied by his lawyer. This witness statement is already widely known: the witness claims he saw Joran van der Sloot in the middle of the night of May 30th walking in front of his house, soaked up to his chest, walking on one shoe and heavily breathing. He was walking into the direction of the hotels, coming from the direction of the Church at Noord. What the witness was actually aiming for was the Police to conduct an intensive search in the dam of Monserrat. Nevertheless the witness could not give us any reason why the Police should conduct a search in the dam. It was the conclusion of the witness that Joran had come from the dam since he came walking from that direction. There was no indication whatsoever that Joran had been at the dam. For that reason the Police were not ordered to conduct that search. Later, people from the Persistence asked if they were allowed to conduct a search. They were told that they could go ahead if the wanted to. No results were reported. Besides that, the Monserrat dam, which had completely fallen dry by that time, was not long before that request completely searched by dozens of people, for a completely different reason. No results were reported.

This witness has turned himself to Dave Holloway, as we have been told. He has given a new statement and has undergone a lie detector test. According to the summary of the lie detector test results (a full report, as promised to my Office by Tim Miller was never received) the witness was considered to be reliable. This Office never questioned the reliability of what the witness claimed to have seen. Yet, the value of his statement in the reconstruction of facts of that night is very limited. With his sole statement this case could never be solved.

Police and the Prosecutor’s Office are being accused of not following leads in this investigation. Those allegations are unjust and unfounded. Of course it is true that we weigh the information and the source on credibility and value before we start to investigate. But witnesses, who claim to have leads that find no ground in facts whatsoever and therefore are not being investigated by the Police, are free to investigate those themselves. This - of course – within the limitations imposed by law.

I will give you three examples of what we have experienced the last 10 months in terms of leads given by people who claim to have special powers and know where Natalee would be.

The first one claimed that Natalee was in the hands of foreign criminals but could not give us any actual lead to follow.
The second one recently claimed that the girl was buried on an Aruba beach. After consulting my Office and the Police a private search was conducted, only facilitated by the Police. No result was reported.
The third person was very persistent and claimed he had witnesses he could not disclose to my Office. He claimed Natalee was buried under a hotel that was under construction at the time of her disappearance. He requested that my Office would order a hole to be drilled in the hotel floor in order to conduct an endoscopic search underneath the hotel. When the prosecutor asked the man for the undisclosed witnesses and kept asking for his sources, he finally admitted that his theory was based on a dream.

As you can see, this is just a part of what we have experienced over the past months. There is much more of these “leads” which take us an awful lot of time and distract us from the actual investigation. We do not obstruct anyone, but when there is no concrete information or the information is unreliable we chose not to investigate that lead or that information. In that respect the Aruban Police is not different from any other Police force in the world.

CONCLUDING:

This I can tell you: during the investigation of which you just received an overview, a series of investigative acts were conducted. I will not disclose the results of that investigation here and now because the investigation is not yet finished and my Office does not want to disclose these results to the suspect and thus make him wiser even before he has been confronted with these results. Only as soon as the investigation into the new statements of Joran van der Sloot has been completely finalized, the suspect will be notified about the decision by my Office whether he will be charged or not. At that time the public also will be informed. If possible investigative results may be disclosed to the public.

When will the investigation be completed?

At this moment the last leads and some minor details are under investigation. These minor questions first have to be answered before a decision can be made. The Public Prosecutor’s Office expects to have conducted the necessary investigations within a number of months. Exact data cannot be determined.

Furthermore I would like to say this.
Recently Fox broadcast an interview of Joran van der Sloot recorded by Greta van Susteren in the spring of 2008. In this interview Joran presents yet another new version of the facts. This time he claims he has sold Natalee Holloway on the beach for $ 10,000 to a person called `Adamovic´ after a prearranged agreement. This man had taken the girl from the beach on a boat and sailed away.
Although Fox already had the possession of this information for nearly 6 months, it waited to disclose it to the public by the end of November 2008. A request by my Office to provide this information to us digitally was left unanswered.

Now suddenly Fox and a lawyer demand that my Office shall conduct an intensive investigation into a story of which the anchor of the program herself already considered the possibility that it could be “a wild goose chase”. Furthermore Joran van der Sloot after the interview was taped, denied that what he said was true. The Fox program also showed an interview with Joran´s American lawyer, in which the program’s anchor implicitly admitted that Joran was paid for the interview. Finally Fox broadcasts a so-called telephone conversation between Joran and his father. The contents of that phone call are supposed to corroborate Joran´s new story. The taped conversation between Joran and his father recently has been downloaded from the Internet by the Police and handed over to the Dutch Forensic Institute. This independent institute, the NFI, has been requested by the Police and my Office to conduct a voice-comparing investigation between the voice on that tape and earlier recordings of Paul van der Sloot. Within a few months we will know whether the material can be investigated and if so, what the results will be.

It is more than remarkable that no longer than 5 months after Joran´s so called confessions were taped on hidden cameras by Peter R. de Vries, statements both in the Netherlands and in the USA considered as “the solving of the case”, this Joran now comes forward with a completely different new story. Now this story is being considered as one that urgently has to be investigated. This while there are many indications that Joran simply pulled Fox’s leg and earned himself a lot of money as well. To prove that we are dealing with “a wild goose chase”, the Police on our request have checked some verifiable parts from Joran´s new statement, which show that it is a wild goose chase.

The Holloway family lawyer, who demanded the immediate arrest of suspects, was told that the Public Prosecutor, given the legal requirements, couldn’t find any ground in this interview to order an arrest.

Final remarks

Police and the Prosecutor’s Office on Aruba are still conducting an investigation into the disappearance of Natalee Holloway. Yet we are approaching the end of this lengthy investigation and are busy with the last two leads. Now we are still busy I would like to add this: if you have relevant information, no matter how small or uninteresting it may seem, please notify my Office or the Police here on Aruba.

The purpose of the criminal investigation is to establish beyond reasonable doubt what has happened to Natalee Holloway on the night of May 30th 2005. Have crimes been committed against her and, if so, which crimes and by whom? And if someone is responsible for crimes committed, that person, whoever he may be, should be held accountable for those crimes in a court of law. Yet that result still has not been met.

In short: it is the Police and the Prosecutor’s Office that have, and should have, the primary responsibility for a criminal investigation. That is the way it is legally laid down in our judicial system. If others want to help, we will applaud them doing so. Yet, when those activities start to get counter productive and under circumstances jeopardizes the investigation, we should address the public and make them aware of these effects.
In order to prevent that happening we thought it fit to inform you through this press conference.

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[bastibro]

http://tinyurl.com/8o59mc

"Costs research Holloway case more than 10 million dollars'

ORANGE CITY -- The investigation into the disappearance of Natalee Holloway is one of the most expensive criminal investigations of life in the world ever made. This is the main Aruban prosecutor Hans Mos said Tuesday at a press conference in Aruba.
"Keep a blow to the arm, but I estimate that the investigation more than 10 million dollars (around 7.5 million euros) took," said Moss.
"I dare the United States to-day with an equally expensive investigation into a life offense for the day to come. This took hands with money. Netherlands sent investigators who had to stay, and also F16 aircraft. "

In the pressconference Mos a.o. explains why the court didn't agree with the arrest of Joran after the DeVries/VdEems-tapes.
He gives a month by month insight in the investigation after the DV/VdE tapes. Amongst which investigations into Daury (he is now in a US prison for drug-dealings), into the beachtelephone. Joran was heared again and some 20 other witnesses into Jorans shoe, Daury, and so on.
The Pond-witness was heared, the pond was not investigated by the OM but later by the Persistance crew.
And a lot more stuff.

The latest investigation into what Croes has said is not an OM investigation but from the Procureur Generaal.

That's what I've picked up.

Persistence?What pond?

THE pond, LOL.

The pond that caps first said would be moko, then it was montanja.............then out of thin air comes a witness, and now all of a sudden it's the Monserrat pond.

THE pond that was drained/not drained........searched/not searched, LOL.

The pond was never drained - it dried up on its own

The pond was never searched by ALE - that was done while John Silvetti was back in Aruba for one of his many trips.  The one where he met with caps, at his home.

Correct !

[Anna]

http://tinyurl.com/8o59mc

"Costs research Holloway case more than 10 million dollars'

ORANGE CITY -- The investigation into the disappearance of Natalee Holloway is one of the most expensive criminal investigations of life in the world ever made. This is the main Aruban prosecutor Hans Mos said Tuesday at a press conference in Aruba.
"Keep a blow to the arm, but I estimate that the investigation more than 10 million dollars (around 7.5 million euros) took," said Moss.
"I dare the United States to-day with an equally expensive investigation into a life offense for the day to come. This took hands with money. Netherlands sent investigators who had to stay, and also F16 aircraft. "

Thanks Robert!

I guess they didn't get a very good value for their money.

I am so tired of hearing about the F16's.  That was all a farce, in my mind - an already pre-scheduled exercises.

And whoa boy!  It produced a whopping 3 page report - pictures and all!!

Complete report of F-16 photograph scans
location: Curacao N.A.
July 13, 2005
pages 3
writer: Sijtsma
description: report of F-16 photograph scans

I agree totally jen, those F-16's were already scheduled for routine training in the area and mapping purposes.  To attempt to charge this to Natalee's investigation is just plain insulting to our intelligence.

This would be the most costly and least effective method for looking for one single 105 pound person ever!  Of course the U.S. would never "match" this as Mos suggested because we are not that stupid and know our citizens are not either and would never buy this gross misstatement of purpose.

They truly think we are stupid.  Far too many Europeans do buy into the concept that Americans are just not very smart.  They might be very surprised to find that at least we are smart enough not to believe one word of the perpetual BS coming out of Aruba and The Netherlands in regard to what was done and what was not.

You don't search with F-16's, Hans.  Not for a target this small.  Low flying drones, slow ultra lights, etc. maybe but not F16's.  They need to stop trying to sell us this load of crap.

MO

[Tamikosmom]

Press Anouncement

Ladies and gentlemen!

The Public Prosecutors Office Aruba and the Aruban Police Force would like to give you an updated summary about the investigation into the disappearance of Natalee Holloway.

Why? Three reasons

First of all there is the fact that a few months ago, based on the results of the investigation, the estimate was that the investigation could be ended by the end of 2008. More specifically I am referring to the re-opened investigation into the suspect in this case, Joran van der Sloot, against whom the criminal investigation was restarted after the broadcast of a Peter R. de Vries investigation last February. Because that program caused a new stream of information, this information first has to be examined which will take at least another few months.

Secondly, about six weeks ago an interview with Joran van der Sloot was broadcasted on an American cable news Channel. In this interview Joran tells a completely new version of the alleged facts that occurred concerning the disappearance of Natalee Holloway. Before showing the interview and in the days after the show the Aruban Prosecutors Office and the Aruban Police were alleged to be corrupt and unwilling to investigate possible leads in this case. We find it fit to address those allegations today.

The third reason is that my Office and the Police Department would like to urge all people that have information about things that have occurred on May 30th 2005 or about persons that are or might be involved in this case, whatever that information may be, to hand that information over to the Police or to the Public Prosecutors Office.

For a good understanding of the facts I would like to take you back to December 18th 2007. It was on that day that the three suspects in this case got official notice from my Office that the criminal investigation into their possible involvement in this case was ended. This did not mean that the investigation into the disappearance of Natalee Holloway also ended. On the contrary. That investigation never stopped. If new information or evidence would come up, the criminal investigation against any suspect in this case could be re-opened. This is possible as long as the statute of limitations does not prohibit this.

No one could imagine at that time that within a month from that decision this Office was confronted with the information that Dutch crime investigator Peter R de Vries had made secret camera shots of Joran van der Sloot talking about the case against a civilian under cover. After my Office got the tapes and before the actual broadcast of the Peter R. de Vries program, on our request the criminal investigation against Joran was re-opened by the investigating judge.

At the same time the investigation was fully operational again and had as a main goal to find as much corroborating evidence as possible of what Joran van der Sloot had told the under cover. The judge was asked to approve the third consecutive custody of Joran van der Sloot. The investigating judge against whose decision this Office lodged an appeal at the Common Court of Appeal in Curacao denied this approval. The Court of Appeal upheld the investigating judges’ decision, thus disabling Police to re-arrest Joran van der Sloot.

It is proper to take another look at the Court of Appeals’ decision. The Court of Appeal took into account the footage that was handed over by Peter de Vries as well as all the old investigative results of over nearly 3 years of investigation. Weighing whether there was enough new serious material, evidence (necessary to be able to put one into custody) the Court decided that the new elements that Joran had told the under cover were not corroborated by “objective facts”. On top of that the Court considered the fact that the suspect already had argued that there are objective facts that contradict the new elements that were told by him to the under cover. The fact that Joran has supplied the Police with a motive for his lying behavior and the fact that he has admitted that he often is not telling the truth, makes, according to the Court of Appeal, that the self incriminating new statements of Joran are devaluated.

In short: there is no corroborating evidence for the new self incriminating statements of Joran and the value of these statements is undermined by his own statement about his credibility.

What does the Court’s decision imply when we take a closer look?
1.    After an extensive and intensive investigation, the contents of the Police file combined with the new statements of Joran, does not hold enough evidence necessary to pass the threshold for a third consecutive term of pretrial custody.
2.    Logical conclusion from the above mentioned must be, that the evidence that we do have in the extensive files, is not enough to convict this suspect.

For that reason this Office has made the gathering of these “objective facts” that can serve as evidence against the main suspect it’s primary goal for the investigation from that point on.

What the Police and this Office have done:

•    Already on January 22nd 2008, the day after Peter de Vries had shown the tapes to the Public Prosecutor and the Police, the investigation into the person called “Daury” was started. Finally a person called Daury R. was identified and it turned out that he probably was involved in drug trafficking activities (as had been told by Joran). Because of that and following his own TV-appearance on 20-20, he was arrested in the USA on the suspicion of international drug trafficking. He is currently detained in the USA.
•    Investigation into the pay phone in the hotel garden was started as well as finding an answer to the question whether Joran had the possession of a credit card (necessary to use the phone).
•    On our request the National Prosecutor’s Office in Rotterdam as well as The National Crime Squad executed numerous requests, such as various house searches and finally the questioning of Joran van der Sloot.
•    Since then over 20 witnesses were interviewed, some of them for the second or third time. These interviews pertained mostly to Joran’s missing shoes and the person called “Daury”, Joran’s alleged accomplice.
•    Amongst the witnesses were the two brothers who previously were suspects in this case but who, by the new statements of Joran, received an alibi from Joran, when he told the under cover that the two brothers are “jerks” who don’t know anything about what had happened.
•    During his stay on Aruba the Police twice interviewed under cover “Patrick”.

Besides the Police investigation Peter de Vries’ program received an enormous amount of information. The serious tips were passed on to my Office in order to have them investigated.
Four of them could be investigated and led to thorough investigation.

Furthermore investigation was conducted into the statement of a fisherman, until that moment unknown by the Police or my Office. This witness, known by the Holloway family, claimed that in the night of the disappearance of Natalee Holloway a large knife was stolen from one of the Fisherman’s huts while at the same time a large crab cage was missing that at least was there until the month of April. This owner of the cage was also interviewed by the Police but told them that this allegedly missing cage had never been left at the huts but was always taken home.
He told the Police that Mrs. Holloway and the press approached him a long time ago and that he had told them his story. His identity was never officially revealed to the Police. It was because the Persistence ship at that time was searching for relevant material on the sea bed that the story about the cage and the fisherman came up in a conversation between this Office and Mr. Dave Holloway, which led this Office to the identity of the witness.

As you may know, the expedition of the Persistence led to only one finding that was supposed to be relevant to this case. Special Police divers brought certain material to the surface of which one might assume could be the clothes of Natalee Holloway. These samples were sent to the FBI laboratory. After examination by the FBI the result was that these samples did not match the clothes of Natalee.

In the month of March 2008 a witness who was urged by Dave Holloway to step forward confronted the Prosecutor’s Office. The man gave a statement on March 16th 2008 accompanied by his lawyer. This witness statement is already widely known: the witness claims he saw Joran van der Sloot in the middle of the night of May 30th walking in front of his house, soaked up to his chest, walking on one shoe and heavily breathing. He was walking into the direction of the hotels, coming from the direction of the Church at Noord. What the witness was actually aiming for was the Police to conduct an intensive search in the dam of Monserrat. Nevertheless the witness could not give us any reason why the Police should conduct a search in the dam. It was the conclusion of the witness that Joran had come from the dam since he came walking from that direction. There was no indication whatsoever that Joran had been at the dam. For that reason the Police were not ordered to conduct that search. Later, people from the Persistence asked if they were allowed to conduct a search. They were told that they could go ahead if the wanted to. No results were reported. Besides that, the Monserrat dam, which had completely fallen dry by that time, was not long before that request completely searched by dozens of people, for a completely different reason. No results were reported.

This witness has turned himself to Dave Holloway, as we have been told. He has given a new statement and has undergone a lie detector test. According to the summary of the lie detector test results (a full report, as promised to my Office by Tim Miller was never received) the witness was considered to be reliable. This Office never questioned the reliability of what the witness claimed to have seen. Yet, the value of his statement in the reconstruction of facts of that night is very limited. With his sole statement this case could never be solved.

Police and the Prosecutor’s Office are being accused of not following leads in this investigation. Those allegations are unjust and unfounded. Of course it is true that we weigh the information and the source on credibility and value before we start to investigate. But witnesses, who claim to have leads that find no ground in facts whatsoever and therefore are not being investigated by the Police, are free to investigate those themselves. This - of course – within the limitations imposed by law.

I will give you three examples of what we have experienced the last 10 months in terms of leads given by people who claim to have special powers and know where Natalee would be.

The first one claimed that Natalee was in the hands of foreign criminals but could not give us any actual lead to follow.
The second one recently claimed that the girl was buried on an Aruba beach. After consulting my Office and the Police a private search was conducted, only facilitated by the Police. No result was reported.
The third person was very persistent and claimed he had witnesses he could not disclose to my Office. He claimed Natalee was buried under a hotel that was under construction at the time of her disappearance. He requested that my Office would order a hole to be drilled in the hotel floor in order to conduct an endoscopic search underneath the hotel. When the prosecutor asked the man for the undisclosed witnesses and kept asking for his sources, he finally admitted that his theory was based on a dream.

As you can see, this is just a part of what we have experienced over the past months. There is much more of these “leads” which take us an awful lot of time and distract us from the actual investigation. We do not obstruct anyone, but when there is no concrete information or the information is unreliable we chose not to investigate that lead or that information. In that respect the Aruban Police is not different from any other Police force in the world.

CONCLUDING:

This I can tell you: during the investigation of which you just received an overview, a series of investigative acts were conducted. I will not disclose the results of that investigation here and now because the investigation is not yet finished and my Office does not want to disclose these results to the suspect and thus make him wiser even before he has been confronted with these results. Only as soon as the investigation into the new statements of Joran van der Sloot has been completely finalized, the suspect will be notified about the decision by my Office whether he will be charged or not. At that time the public also will be informed. If possible investigative results may be disclosed to the public.

When will the investigation be completed?

At this moment the last leads and some minor details are under investigation. These minor questions first have to be answered before a decision can be made. The Public Prosecutor’s Office expects to have conducted the necessary investigations within a number of months. Exact data cannot be determined.

Furthermore I would like to say this.
Recently Fox broadcast an interview of Joran van der Sloot recorded by Greta van Susteren in the spring of 2008. In this interview Joran presents yet another new version of the facts. This time he claims he has sold Natalee Holloway on the beach for $ 10,000 to a person called `Adamovic´ after a prearranged agreement. This man had taken the girl from the beach on a boat and sailed away.
Although Fox already had the possession of this information for nearly 6 months, it waited to disclose it to the public by the end of November 2008. A request by my Office to provide this information to us digitally was left unanswered.

Now suddenly Fox and a lawyer demand that my Office shall conduct an intensive investigation into a story of which the anchor of the program herself already considered the possibility that it could be “a wild goose chase”. Furthermore Joran van der Sloot after the interview was taped, denied that what he said was true. The Fox program also showed an interview with Joran´s American lawyer, in which the program’s anchor implicitly admitted that Joran was paid for the interview. Finally Fox broadcasts a so-called telephone conversation between Joran and his father. The contents of that phone call are supposed to corroborate Joran´s new story. The taped conversation between Joran and his father recently has been downloaded from the Internet by the Police and handed over to the Dutch Forensic Institute. This independent institute, the NFI, has been requested by the Police and my Office to conduct a voice-comparing investigation between the voice on that tape and earlier recordings of Paul van der Sloot. Within a few months we will know whether the material can be investigated and if so, what the results will be.

It is more than remarkable that no longer than 5 months after Joran´s so called confessions were taped on hidden cameras by Peter R. de Vries, statements both in the Netherlands and in the USA considered as “the solving of the case”, this Joran now comes forward with a completely different new story. Now this story is being considered as one that urgently has to be investigated. This while there are many indications that Joran simply pulled Fox’s leg and earned himself a lot of money as well. To prove that we are dealing with “a wild goose chase”, the Police on our request have checked some verifiable parts from Joran´s new statement, which show that it is a wild goose chase.

The Holloway family lawyer, who demanded the immediate arrest of suspects, was told that the Public Prosecutor, given the legal requirements, couldn’t find any ground in this interview to order an arrest.

Final remarks

Police and the Prosecutor’s Office on Aruba are still conducting an investigation into the disappearance of Natalee Holloway. Yet we are approaching the end of this lengthy investigation and are busy with the last two leads. Now we are still busy I would like to add this: if you have relevant information, no matter how small or uninteresting it may seem, please notify my Office or the Police here on Aruba.

The purpose of the criminal investigation is to establish beyond reasonable doubt what has happened to Natalee Holloway on the night of May 30th 2005. Have crimes been committed against her and, if so, which crimes and by whom? And if someone is responsible for crimes committed, that person, whoever he may be, should be held accountable for those crimes in a court of law. Yet that result still has not been met.

In short: it is the Police and the Prosecutor’s Office that have, and should have, the primary responsibility for a criminal investigation. That is the way it is legally laid down in our judicial system. If others want to help, we will applaud them doing so. Yet, when those activities start to get counter productive and under circumstances jeopardizes the investigation, we should address the public and make them aware of these effects.
In order to prevent that happening we thought it fit to inform you through this press conference.

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Thanks Hotping.

Joran ... keep lying ... keep changing your stories ... keep on keeping on and ... the "powers that be" cannot touch you.

What about Rudy Croes investigation encompassing Jan Vander Straten?

Janet

[WhiskeyGirl]

Joran is still the main suspect

Is that ALL they have come up with??? After 3 1/2 years??? Joran is a suspect???

Have patience.  I think this means they may suspect after all these years that Joran may have had some involvement in the disappearance of Natalee Holloway.  "Joran lied" may have new meaning in the judicial system.  On Aruba, this is a REALLY big development for the justice system.  A first, a day without comparison...

 

imho

[bleachedblack]

http://tinyurl.com/8o59mc

"Costs research Holloway case more than 10 million dollars'

ORANGE CITY -- The investigation into the disappearance of Natalee Holloway is one of the most expensive criminal investigations of life in the world ever made. This is the main Aruban prosecutor Hans Mos said Tuesday at a press conference in Aruba.
"Keep a blow to the arm, but I estimate that the investigation more than 10 million dollars (around 7.5 million euros) took," said Moss.
"I dare the United States to-day with an equally expensive investigation into a life offense for the day to come. This took hands with money. Netherlands sent investigators who had to stay, and also F16 aircraft. "

Thanks Robert!

I guess they didn't get a very good value for their money.

I am so tired of hearing about the F16's.  That was all a farce, in my mind - an already pre-scheduled excercise.

And whoa boy!  It produced a whopping 3 page report - pictures and all!!

Complete report of F-16 photograph scans
location: Curacao N.A.
July 13, 2005
pages 3
writer: Sijtsma
description: report of F-16 photograph scans

I have to agree about the F16's, sick of hearing about them. I agree they were likely pre scheduled. Here is a clip of F16's in Curacao October 2006......still looking for Natalee I guess...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yb_ntB-glbs&feature=PlayList&p=452C3383E7A7C72D&playnext=1&index=17

[Keepthefaith]

What a bunch of POS getting on TV with that crap!They sure didn't mention the Persistence and what was found out in the waters off Aruba did they?They searched a pond.LOL.No mention of the cage or it's contents!Maybe Hero will put the Persistence in the light and watch these snakes do more squirming!

[Tamikosmom]

THE POND WITNESS - TIM MILLER - THE POLYGRAPH


Natalee Holloway Investigation: Exclusive … Tim Miller of Texas EquuSearch in Aruba to meet With ALE/Prosecutor … New Witness That Puts Joran & Paulus Van der Sloot Near Ponds on 5/30/05

September 10, 2008

http://scaredmonkeys.com/2008/09/10/natalee-holloway-investigation-exclusive-tim-miller-of-texas-equusearch-in-aruba-to-meet-with-aleprosecutor-new-witness-that-puts-joran-paulus-van-der-sloot-near-ponds-on-53005/


Search for Natalee Holloway:Tim Miller of Texas EquuSearch … New Witness in Aruba, Discusions with Prosecutor Hans Mos & Polygraph Exams
 
Why does Aruba after all this time and bad PR still not want to cooperate and find Natalee Holloway?

September 12, 2008

http://scaredmonkeys.com/2008/09/12/search-for-natalee-hollowaytim-miller-of-texas-equusearch-new-witness-in-aruba-discusions-with-proecutor-hans-mos-polygraph-exams/

[RoxiBalboa]

this part of the statement is crazy...

"But witnesses, who claim to have leads that find no ground in facts whatsoever and therefore are not being investigated by the Police, are free to investigate those themselves. This - of course – within the limitations imposed by law."

They won't listen to witnesses, so what are they supposed to do? You can go to Police, be told you aren't credible, or they don't find grounds in facts, so go prove it yourself? What kind of judicial system is that? You prove it for us? And once you do, we still won't listen!!

[Nut44x4]

O/T sort of.....
Waterbury Teacher Found Dead In Bahamas
Man Found After Disappearing Sunday
The family of a 30-year-old Waterbury teacher said he has been found dead in the Bahamas after having disappeared Sunday while on vacation with his brother and some friends.

Relatives said Tim Massa's body was found Monday night in a harbor near the Atlantis resort and hotel.  MORE AT the link>>>
The U.S. State Department is investigating the case as a possible homicide
http://www.wfsb.com/news/18420009/detail.html?rss=hart&psp=news

[Keepthefaith]

What a bunch of POS getting on TV with that crap!They sure didn't mention the Persistence and what was found out in the waters off Aruba did they?They searched a pond(The Persistence).LOL.No mention of the cage or it's contents!Maybe Hero will put the Persistence in the light and watch these snakes do more squirming!

Correction