Natalee Case Discussion #790 1/3/09 - 1/6/09

[Keepthefaith]

Monday down.4 days left to see "IF" a MAJOR player gets arrested!

JUSTICE FOR NATALEE....HAVE HOPE...SEEK THA TRUTH....GOD WILL MAKE A PATH

 

[texasmom]

Questioned in the Natalee Holloway case:

Name:Marlon Celaire
Date:4 June 2005 / 00:15
Pages: 3
Writer/Initiator: Dennia Jacobs & Juan Boezem
Description: witness statement about whereabouts on May 29 2005

Name: Marlon Miguel Celaire (third statement)
Date: 23 August 2005
Pages: 3
Writer/Initiator. Dennis Jacobs/Angelo Croes
Description: witness statement


1/5/2009 Awe Mainta Pg 29

http://awemainta.com/home/



Papiamentu translation:

conoci of police marlon celaire owing to try of viola tourist venezolano presencia of police owing to wordo ask cu urgencia at one highrise hotel, where one man owing to deal of viola one tourist venezolano of 17 year. n’e sitio police is talk cu the child muher m.i. naci at venezuela of 17 year, that is declara at police cu the was march together cu his primo on beach more or less 4.20 of madruga saturday, hour cu 3 man owing to acerca they. past owing to tell cu he color dark dress cu short blanco y camisa orange-coloured owing to ranke at his hand. the is tell cu past owing to try y owing to succeed los his hand for of he y they owing to core bay busca aid at holiday inn, close the guardianan. one of the guardianan owing to mustr’e one photograph of marlon celaire y past owing to reconoce at once because; esun cu owing to ranke at his hand. police owing to wordo poni at height y they owing to take away the tourist at his hotel, because; cu the was enough spanta. police owing to busca marlon, but not owing to come across cune.

[klaasend]

I'm trying to remember, was Marlon one of the beach bums or water sports guys that the police automatically questioned because they have been known to accost the tourists?

[Anna]

Does anyone know the terms under which the U.S. FOB station is allowed to operate out of Aruba?  Were these terms negotiated with the Dutch, the Arubans or both?  When is this up for renewal?

I was just recalling the only word from Bachus after the interview with the Arubans when Greta asked him what they were unhappy about.  He said, "Wiretaps."  I have always wondered if by any chance they are the ones who overheard phone conversations perhaps even that early morning or later involving Paulus and van der Straten or any civilians involved at all. 

Perhaps the terms of the agreement called for not eavesdropping on Aruban civilians as the purported reason would be to monitor S. America with Uncle Hugo receiving special attention.

Has this come up for renewal in recent times by any chance?  I can see this base as being very important from this aspect and a reason not to rock the boat.  More so than any single shipment of cocaine, etc.  And National Security trumps everybody.

[Anna]

I'm trying to remember, was Marlon one of the beach bums or water sports guys that the police automatically questioned because they have been known to accost the tourists?

And someone maybe the security guards said he was never seen roaming the beach again?

Looks as though he is back.

.

[klaasend]

I'm trying to remember, was Marlon one of the beach bums or water sports guys that the police automatically questioned because they have been known to accost the tourists?

I knew I remembered that name.  Kelly and Daniel claimed that Natalee left the beach with Marlon.  Marlon must be an easy mark, must be known to do this stuff.  Easy person to blame instead of the guilty SLOOTS.

[texasmom]

1/5/2009 Bondia Pg 7a

http://www.bondia.com/index.php?option=com_flippingbook&book_id=2



I hope that someone will help us with a translation of this one!   

[truthseeker2]

I'm trying to remember, was Marlon one of the beach bums or water sports guys that the police automatically questioned because they have been known to accost the tourists?

I knew I remembered that name.  Kelly and Daniel claimed that Natalee left the beach with Marlon.  Marlon must be an easy mark, must be known to do this stuff.  Easy person to blame instead of the guilty SLOOTS.

The two statements made about this guy had him walking in the direction where Joran claimed to be...two nights in a row.  Once towards the Marriott and the next night towards the Radisson.  Were they initially going to set this guy up and let the security guards go???????  One of those statements came from one of the security guards.

[jen3560]

I am not sure but ... the way I comprehend ... there are legal issues why the Natalee's Freebirds could not expose the Persistence deception through the usual means of  documentation.  Maybe this same legality prevents the family from exposing the truth.

The Persistence undertaking was a private venture and ... the owner Louis Shaeffer owns the copywrite to the ROV images.  The legality of publishing Kyle's own words submitted under a confidentiality agreement to an internet forum ... words exposing the suspicious happenings that may have been the finale to the great Aruban coverup ... may be an issue.

In other words ... if the Persistence story is ever to be told ... it will be told by Louis Shaeffer from the perspective of John Silvetti.

IMO.

Maybe one of our Monkey Freebirds could expand.

Janet.   

Here's what's funny about that Janet.  NO ONE had  registered copyrights on ANY of the images Kyle shared with us - at least not by the time Kermit posted them here.

But the threat of civil litigation was just as real.  Freebirds would have had to spend big bucks to defend ourselves - while we would have prevailed in a court of law, due to the verbiage in our TOS - the defense of it would have been very costly.

So now there is an option of suing individually - but I'd get a kick out of what grounds any such suit might be brought forth.  When the few don't have to worry about putting the many in potential litigious jeopardy - it's then a no holds barred situation. 

I'd also get a kick out of any potential lawsuit once the filing attorney got ahold of our TOS. 

[Poochy]

thanks Poochy but is that the same David Stacey ?

Johann, I don't know.

But it is known that the David Stacey, Sr.  who was last seen with Max had a shady background.  He also had scratches on his face when Mrs. deVries went to the police station. But David already took a shower at the police station - so all evidence was washed down the drain.

"...Williams looked up information on the men, which he declined to comment on, but said if the police in Aruba had looked into their backgrounds, it would have prompted further investigation, he said.

[jen3560]

I'm trying to remember, was Marlon one of the beach bums or water sports guys that the police automatically questioned because they have been known to accost the tourists?

And someone maybe the security guards said he was never seen roaming the beach again?

Looks as though he is back.

.

Renfro also added her two cents to further that myth.

Who was it recently who said it was easier to blame a beach bum who wasn't even there?

I think it was Brinkman - but I could be mistaken.

I do believe it was Marlon who was being described in that statement.

[Poochy]

I'm trying to remember, was Marlon one of the beach bums or water sports guys that the police automatically questioned because they have been known to accost the tourists?

I knew I remembered that name.  Kelly and Daniel claimed that Natalee left the beach with Marlon.  Marlon must be an easy mark, must be known to do this stuff.  Easy person to blame instead of the guilty SLOOTS.

The two statements made about this guy had him walking in the direction where Joran claimed to be...two nights in a row.  Once towards the Marriott and the next night towards the Radisson.  Were they initially going to set this guy up and let the security guards go???????  One of those statements came from one of the security guards.

Interesting about the 'set-up' comment...

About the security guard's statement (below), he sees alot of kids in the ocean, on the beach, going here and going there at 2:30am. He also sees the two guys walking around and confronts them.

Steve Croes placed himself on the beach that night.

Joran placed himself on the beach that night. 


http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=365.0

SOLVERT RENSKA (security guard 7/8/2005 statement):
On your question if I saw the man named “M” on Monday, May 30, 2005, in the night time hours, on the sand of the Holiday Inn Hotel, I can answer you yes. On that day around 01.00, I saw that "M." with the slim white man who wore a hat on his head, walking in a northern direction on the sand in the direction of the “Moomba Beach”. Because I had learned from third parties that “M” was a dangerous robber, I contacted with my portofoon (walkie talkie?) the guard who was monitoring at the Curacao Tower and told him to look out because “M”  was in the vicinity. A couple minutes later saw I that "M" and the slim white man returned products in beside the "Iguana bar" stood. I walked up to them and I greeted "M". "M" looked straight at me and asked my why I followed him. I told “M” to tell him to have a good evening."M" answered that I was a klootzak (?). I said to "M" that all I did was greet him and he insulted me."M" asked me then if I was inhabitant of Haiti and I answered that him, no I was not an inhabitant of Haiti. “M” went then to the water cooler to drink water and then walked away with the slim white man in an Eastern direction towards “Playa Linda”. I must note that this was the first time that I have ever seen the slim white man with “M” (With "M" the man "M. CELAIRE" are meant; observation JACOBS.)

On your question if I walked later in the night time hours with the guard "CANCHANO" to the swimming pool, because CANCHANO saw two unknown men under a hut, I will tell you that I no longer remember this. I also no longer remember at this moment that CANCHANO at that moment had told me to look out for “M”. (With CANCHANO the witness "J. CANCHANO" are meant; observation JACOBS)

On the same day around 02.30, I saw that "M" walking with the slim white man from the northern direction to the direction of the “Marriott Hotel” met and with the slim white man stood under a hut. I must note that at this same moment a group of the American students came naked out of the water on the sand and were putting their clothes on.

It is remarkable that from that day on Monday, May 30, in the night time hours, "M" and the slim white man have not been seen again on the sand of the Holiday Inn Hotel. I remember also that this was the day that the American girl “Natalee HOLLOWAY” also at the “Holiday Inn Hotel” went missing.

On your question if I know the name of the slim white man, I answer you no.

On your question if I know the man nicknamed “G” or “J”, who is regularly at the Holiday Inn hotel, answer I you no. On your question if I was approached on Monday, May 30, 2005, in the night time hours, by a couple who were also staying in the Holiday Inn Hotel, with a story about two men and a drunk girl were on the sand north of the hotel stumbling or falling, answer I you no. Nobody approached me with this story.

The couple must specifically say who they had reported this to. You must ask this also of the other guards. I did not hear it from the other guards either. The guards names are  "Ramon", "Campo", “Arroyo", “Perez Ramirez”, "Stewart" and "Canchano“ had night shift at the Holiday Inn Hotel.

This is my true statement. If you have more questions, I will be prepared to answer them.

S. RENESKA

After I, JACOBS, read the declaration to the witness S. RENESKA in Spanish, I translated it and he agreed to sign it.
 
Of what our, statement, on oath of office made up this warrant, and has been signed at Oranjestad on July 08, 2005 and has been closed,

Signed,

DD JACOBS             Z.M. THE CUBA

[truthseeker2]

Seems at least that part of the beach was pretty busy that night...yet the beach area of the Marriott did not produce one witness that put Joran and Natalee there.  Hmm.

[Tamikosmom]

I am not sure but ... the way I comprehend ... there are legal issues why the Natalee's Freebirds could not expose the Persistence deception through the usual means of  documentation.  Maybe this same legality prevents the family from exposing the truth.

The Persistence undertaking was a private venture and ... the owner Louis Shaeffer owns the copywrite to the ROV images.  The legality of publishing Kyle's own words submitted under a confidentiality agreement to an internet forum ... words exposing the suspicious happenings that may have been the finale to the great Aruban coverup ... may be an issue.

In other words ... if the Persistence story is ever to be told ... it will be told by Louis Shaeffer from the perspective of John Silvetti.

IMO.

Maybe one of our Monkey Freebirds could expand.

Janet.   

Here's what's funny about that Janet.  NO ONE had  registered copyrights on ANY of the images Kyle shared with us - at least not by the time Kermit posted them here.

But the threat of civil litigation was just as real.  Freebirds would have had to spend big bucks to defend ourselves - while we would have prevailed in a court of law, due to the verbiage in our TOS - the defense of it would have been very costly.

So now there is an option of suing individually - but I'd get a kick out of what grounds any such suit might be brought forth.  When the few don't have to worry about putting the many in potential litigious jeopardy - it's then a no holds barred situation. 

I'd also get a kick out of any potential lawsuit once the filing attorney got ahold of our TOS. 

Jen

Hi Jen

If Kermit/Kyle is not implying in the following quote that Louis Shaeffer has the rights to the ROV images ... what is being implied.

Janet
______


Kermit
Re: Natalee Case Discussion #786 12/17/08 -
« Reply #544 on: December 19, 2008, 06:52:12 PM »

PERHAPS KYLE VIOLATED THE COPYRIGHT HIMSELF

Kyle said: "She [BETH] needs to know exactly what we found in the proper timing. The way to do that would be through Tim Trahan and I. I can arrange any meeting with him. He represents the owner and the rights to the data, in this case, Louis S. I have everything but I don't want to go around him for chain of custody reasons, professional courtesy, and friendship."
 
The next step:
I will soon propose a meeting with Beth and other family members, myself, Tim Trahan, Peter DeVries, and whomever else necessary to go over the ROV video, contents, and case status. I would like a couple people very familiar with the case documents also present to help connect dots during the meeting. I would prefer meeting towards the end of April or mid-May to allow adequate time for things to shake themselves out if is going to. If necessary, I have an ABC (20/20) and CBS (early show) film crew ready and willing to take part in such a meeting should it require press coverage. I've already had a meeting with ABC about this and they are "definitely interested" at the executive level. We met in mid-Feb about this already. The question becomes timing, who needs to be there, and whether or not it's covered by the press. I prefer not, but it may be useful. DeVries doesn't need to be there in my opinion but he's good for ratings and helps ABC be cooperative if needed.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4246.msg592533;topicseen#msg592533

[Poochy]

Seems at least that part of the beach was pretty busy that night...yet the beach area of the Marriott did not produce one witness that put Joran and Natalee there.  Hmm.

Funny the fishermen didn't see the MB'ers frollicking in their birthday suits 
Steve Croes saw 2 men and a girl who was screaming.
Joran said nobody was on the beach.

[cajun miracle]

Does anyone know if Greta will speak about Aruba tonight? TY

[Anna]

Anna

Feel free to post any pics of Peter R....with or without equipment.

memphis

A Dutch poster can correct me...but when it comes to that secret/ don't tell /or lose the case/  law, I finally read something that was reasonable.  It said something along the lines that info should not be leaked/discussed, until after it has been presented to a judge.  The article did not say anything about "at trial".  I took it to mean that any info that a judge has already reviewed, all info presented for every one of the arrest/detention hearings, can be discussed.  They just choose not to...but it is not illegal and does not jeopardize anything.  

Right, Buckeye, I recall reading the same thing. . . .it was just yet another excuse to keep us in the dark as we often see media coverage of crimes reported in the Aruban press complete with details, etc. and even names.  Normally, I think they do use initials in the normal order, however, lol.  But only as a courtesy to the person involved in case they are innocent and not as a legal requirement.

We all read about Luis Mansur for example firing a shot from a weapon, etc. in the press before trial and yet not one peep about any illegality of the press covering all that in great detail.

I think Arlene told us lots of whoppers.

JMO

[Blue Moon]

I am not sure but ... the way I comprehend ... there are legal issues why the Natalee's Freebirds could not expose the Persistence deception through the usual means of  documentation.  Maybe this same legality prevents the family from exposing the truth.

The Persistence undertaking was a private venture and ... the owner Louis Shaeffer owns the copywrite to the ROV images.  The legality of publishing Kyle's own words submitted under a confidentiality agreement to an internet forum ... words exposing the suspicious happenings that may have been the finale to the great Aruban coverup ... may be an issue.

In other words ... if the Persistence story is ever to be told ... it will be told by Louis Shaeffer from the perspective of John Silvetti.

IMO.

Maybe one of our Monkey Freebirds could expand.

Janet.   

Here's what's funny about that Janet.  NO ONE had  registered copyrights on ANY of the images Kyle shared with us - at least not by the time Kermit posted them here.

But the threat of civil litigation was just as real.  Freebirds would have had to spend big bucks to defend ourselves - while we would have prevailed in a court of law, due to the verbiage in our TOS - the defense of it would have been very costly.

So now there is an option of suing individually - but I'd get a kick out of what grounds any such suit might be brought forth.  When the few don't have to worry about putting the many in potential litigious jeopardy - it's then a no holds barred situation. 

I'd also get a kick out of any potential lawsuit once the filing attorney got ahold of our TOS. 

Jen

Hi Jen

If Kermit/Kyle is not implying in the following quote that Louis Shaeffer has the rights to the ROV images ... what is being implied.

Janet
______


Kermit
Re: Natalee Case Discussion #786 12/17/08 -
« Reply #544 on: December 19, 2008, 06:52:12 PM »

PERHAPS KYLE VIOLATED THE COPYRIGHT HIMSELF

Kyle said: "She [BETH] needs to know exactly what we found in the proper timing. The way to do that would be through Tim Trahan and I. I can arrange any meeting with him. He represents the owner and the rights to the data, in this case, Louis S. I have everything but I don't want to go around him for chain of custody reasons, professional courtesy, and friendship."
 
The next step:
I will soon propose a meeting with Beth and other family members, myself, Tim Trahan, Peter DeVries, and whomever else necessary to go over the ROV video, contents, and case status. I would like a couple people very familiar with the case documents also present to help connect dots during the meeting. I would prefer meeting towards the end of April or mid-May to allow adequate time for things to shake themselves out if is going to. If necessary, I have an ABC (20/20) and CBS (early show) film crew ready and willing to take part in such a meeting should it require press coverage. I've already had a meeting with ABC about this and they are "definitely interested" at the executive level. We met in mid-Feb about this already. The question becomes timing, who needs to be there, and whether or not it's covered by the press. I prefer not, but it may be useful. DeVries doesn't need to be there in my opinion but he's good for ratings and helps ABC be cooperative if needed.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4246.msg592533;topicseen#msg592533

Quite the little producer Kyle is.  This was a staged production to him and he was handling this very well.

[truthseeker2]

Seems at least that part of the beach was pretty busy that night...yet the beach area of the Marriott did not produce one witness that put Joran and Natalee there.  Hmm.

Funny the fishermen didn't see the MB'ers frollicking in their birthday suits 
Steve Croes saw 2 men and a girl who was screaming.
Joran said nobody was on the beach.

If I were an opthomologist I think I might could make a little money on Aruba!

[AZSunny]

Actually, as I remember this Blonde, and I followed the case pretty closely, is that she was last seen by her family sleeping on the balcony of their cabin at like 3 am in the morning. She left her cigarettes outside on the balcony table.  She had hung around the band members during the cruise. But as far as anyone was aware, her family saw her sleeping on the balcony as the last visual.