Natalee Case Discussion #790 1/3/09 - 1/6/09

[wreck]

Janet,

It appears to me that in order to sell these ROV clips/film that it had to be built up so others would buy into it.  This is sensationalism at it's best.  It is one thing to put all this in a documentary but before doing that you have to have Beth buy into it.  How can you get her to buy into it unless you go to a group of people who you know Beth would trust? Enter the Freebirds.  He used them to build this up so she would accept what we are seeing in the cage and make sure she is not caught off guard by it when it airs.  Sure he wanted her to know ahead of time.  It would have been devastating to have her see this on t.v. and not know about it ahead of time.  It was being setup just like it was on Peter DV's broadcast of Beth seeing the film and watching her reaction before the world.  Bad taste in my opinion.  Maybe Kyle was used by someone higher up but the fact is Beth HAD to know about this ahead of time before a documentary could be sold to one/more tv stations. (JMO)

I am thinking ... I am thinking.

 

Thanks Blue Moon.

Maybe a Monkey Freebird will respond.

Janet

Not a FB, but I'm pretty sure the family DID NOT KNOW of the Jan. 7th pics until at least March (when Private Eye confronted Kyle).

[Tamikosmom]

Janet,

It appears to me that in order to sell these ROV clips/film that it had to be built up so others would buy into it.  This is sensationalism at it's best.  It is one thing to put all this in a documentary but before doing that you have to have Beth buy into it.  How can you get her to buy into it unless you go to a group of people who you know Beth would trust? Enter the Freebirds.  He used them to build this up so she would accept what we are seeing in the cage and make sure she is not caught off guard by it when it airs.  Sure he wanted her to know ahead of time.  It would have been devastating to have her see this on t.v. and not know about it ahead of time.  It was being setup just like it was on Peter DV's broadcast of Beth seeing the film and watching her reaction before the world.  Bad taste in my opinion.  Maybe Kyle was used by someone higher up but the fact is Beth HAD to know about this ahead of time before a documentary could be sold to one/more tv stations. (JMO)

I am thinking ... I am thinking.

 

Thanks Blue Moon.

Maybe a Monkey Freebird will respond.

Janet

Not a FB, but I'm pretty sure the family DID NOT KNOW of the Jan. 7th pics until at least March (when Private Eye confronted Kyle).

Jen's words say it all.

Janet

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jen3560
Re: Natalee Case Discussion #788 12/31/08 -
« Reply #54 on: December 31, 2008, 04:36:13 PM 

KeeptheFaith and Janet,

After we discovered this information had been withheld from US authorities, we contacted legal counsel, and were advised to keep our distance from Persistence crew members and benefactors - that is when and why Kyle was banned.

That occurred the end of September.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4328.msg605250#msg605250


klassend
Re: Natalee Case Discussion #787 12/24/08 -
« Reply #411 on: December 30, 2008, 06:53:44 PM »

Sent to me by Natalee's Freebirds:

Please feel free (if you'd like) to post this at your board.
 
During the journey of the Persistence to Aruba, Kyle reached out and emailed with us.  During that time, one of the questions posed to him was regarding protocol if/when Natalee's remains were found.
 
Kyle's response was that he was unsure, but felt that would be settled before the search began.
 
The cautions were given to him about the lack of integrity on the part of Aruba's law enforcement, prosecutor's office, and its judiciary.
 
Contact with Kyle continued throughout the duration of the search by the Persistence.
 
Once back home, Kyle asked us for our help.  He was very concerned about the activities that transpired during their search - specifically surrounding the find of the fishing cage and its contents.  Kyle wanted our help in presenting this information in a factual way, to then be given to Natalee's family. 
 
This was March 18, 2008.  At that time, Kyle assured us he had just recently sent the images from the Dec 30th and Jan 7th dives to the FBI, but had never received a response from them.
 
We later found that to be false.
 
Also at that time, Beth's brother saw the images Kyle had shared with us - but none of the detail he shared later.

We compiled the images Kyle presented us, along with his opinions and the facts surrounding the sequence of events regarding that fishing cage.  Kyle stated he would be getting in touch with Beth Holloway.
 
We later found out that never happened.

At this time, Kyle shared with us the broadcast networks he had approached in February, in an attempt to sell these images to the highest bidder.
 
This didn't concern us greatly at that time - as we were under the impression US law enforcement and Natalee's family had already been made aware of their find.
 
Approximately May 2008 Kyle began dodging questions for details (we had asked for names of Aruban police and divers to be included in our documentation of these events), hedging on moving forward with this, and then he completely disappeared from our board.
 
During that time, we learned Kyle had never contacted Beth, or Dave, or the FBI with this information.
 
We put our original plan into motion - that of presenting this information in a clear and concise manner, and we sent it to Beth Holloway.
 
Beth was disturbed, needed time to digest the information, and wanted to share it with someone she trusts.
 
When Tim Miller was returning to Aruba this past fall, Beth gave us permission to release this information publicly.
 
At that point, we gave it to John Kelly, Carmen Adams with the FBI, and got it ready for public consumption.
 
The next step was to publish this information at our blog.
 
One of our members felt we were betraying Kyle in doing so, contacted him, and he re-surfaced at our site with threats of litigation against us - stating this was his "intellectual property" and we could not use it.
 
That of course concerned us greatly - as none of us could afford to be sued.
 
He also stated at that time, Luis Shaefer had just recently sold the rights of the video of these images to a broadcast company for the purposes of a documentary.
 
We contacted legal counsel and were advised to keep our distance from any Persistence crew member, in the face of potential obstruction/accessory charges.
 
At this point, one of our members decided to brace for the possibility of civil litigation, resigned from our membership to protect it from same, and posted what he knows to be factual at SM.
 
Kyle did tell us human remains were found in that fish cage.
 
Kyle did tell us about John Silvetti's intent to open an office on the island of Aruba, to enable him ease in conducting business in South America, and Aruba.
 
Kyle also told us of John's absolute refusal to give that fish cage and its contents any credence - before even it was inspected on Jan 7th.
 
Kyle told us in no uncertain terms that Tim Miller and Dateline were abruptly removed from the Persistence on Dec 30, resulting in only Persistence crew being aboard between that date and the Jan 7 dive of the Arubans.
 
Nothing that was posted at SM by kermit was incorrect, out of context, or in any way false.
 
Regards,
 
Former Natalee's Freebirds Administrator
Natalee and her family deserve justice - and we will not let up until they have it!

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4269.msg603349#msg603349

[BUCKSHOT]

STRATEGIC TASK FORCE

Mr. Olindo Koolman (Senior Advisor)
Mr. Jaap Beaujon (Advisor)
Mr. Serge Mansur (ATIA)
Mr. Greg Peterson (ATIA)
Mr. Jorge Pesquera (AHATA)
Mr. Jeff Lesker (AHATA)
Mr. Alfonso Riveroll (AHATA)
Ms. Myrna Jansen (ATA)
Mr. Rob Smith (Aruba Hospitality & Security Foundation)
Mr. Bill Carson (Banking Sector/AHATA)
Mr. Edwin Roos (Chamber of Commerce)
Mr. Ruben Trappenberg (Aruba Government)
Mr. Eric Brete (Aruba Government)

Ms Arlene Schippers(Queen of Bullshit)
Ms Julia Renfro-aka Madame Julia-aka Glenda(Head Giver of Disinformation)
 

[Anna]

Greta didn't say one word about Natalee.

I'm getting worried.

[wreck]

STRATEGIC TASK FORCE

Mr. Olindo Koolman (Senior Advisor)
Mr. Jaap Beaujon (Advisor)
Mr. Serge Mansur (ATIA)
Mr. Greg Peterson (ATIA)
Mr. Jorge Pesquera (AHATA)
Mr. Jeff Lesker (AHATA)
Mr. Alfonso Riveroll (AHATA)
Ms. Myrna Jansen (ATA)
Mr. Rob Smith (Aruba Hospitality & Security Foundation)
Mr. Bill Carson (Banking Sector/AHATA)
Mr. Edwin Roos (Chamber of Commerce)
Mr. Ruben Trappenberg (Aruba Government)
Mr. Eric Brete (Aruba Government)

Ms Arlene Schippers(Queen of Bullshit)
Ms Julia Renfro-aka Madame Julia-aka Glenda(Head Giver of Disinformation)
 

Ms Julia Renfro-aka Madame Julia-aka Glenda(Head Giver of Disinformation)

 

[wreck]

Greta didn't say one word about Natalee.

I'm getting worried.

 

[Blue Moon]

Greta didn't say one word about Natalee.

I'm getting worried.

 

She doesn't appear to be traveling. Maybe because of John Travolta's son's death and them being fellow Scientology members.  She appears very upset about this.  It is very sad.

[BUCKSHOT]

I'm cautiously optimistic. Red said "the stars are aligning", Steve Holloway's "message", and the mere fact Beth is in Aruba make me hopeful that something is pre-negotiated here. I do not think Beth would ever go to Aruba again without a "guarantee".

I agree.  Beth and Greta both wouldn't go back unless this was a solution-in-the-works.  I just hope she is not knocked down again by Aruba or the Dutch.

Will they put out an APB on Greta like they did on a previous visit?
Will they follow them as well?
Will they wiretap their conversations?

It is surely not out of the realm of possibility...
Making rules as they go...

[Blue Moon]

I'm cautiously optimistic. Red said "the stars are aligning", Steve Holloway's "message", and the mere fact Beth is in Aruba make me hopeful that something is pre-negotiated here. I do not think Beth would ever go to Aruba again without a "guarantee".

I agree.  Beth and Greta both wouldn't go back unless this was a solution-in-the-works.  I just hope she is not knocked down again by Aruba or the Dutch.

Will they put out an APB on Greta like they did on a previous visit?
Will they follow them as well?
Will they wiretap their conversations?

It is surely not out of the realm of possibility...
Making rules as they go...

Probably will do all the above.  That's why I said originally I hope if this is true they have someone to be their body guards to protect them.

Got to sign off, sleep beckons.  Good night all.

[BUCKSHOT]

I once again have to disagree with the thought of a compromise. Why would Joran or Jan van der straaten agree to anything?

You're assuming there is "evidence" against them. Now why should they become sacrificial lambs? On what leverage would they be compelled to do such a  thing and why wouldn't that evidence be used against them?

This case is much too public and even in screwed up Aruba law you don't just "negotiate."

I would rather see them go after Paulus and convict him as he is the murderer. Nobody is going to care what he "has" on anyone else, he'll just be pissing in the wind. And who would believe him anyway?

It's all or nothing for justice for Natalee. We already know "mistakes were made."

How is that a settlement?

Aruba is not sweating just yet...Trust me...
They have installed multiple layers of resistence...
Threats and intimidation probably included...
Eventually, DDAY will arrive for them, though...

Just so amazing...What great lengths they have gone to...And will continue to go to...
I bet Aruba wishes it could have handled things a little different from the onset...
Live by the sword, Die by the sword...Karmas a bitch...

[BUCKSHOT]

Biggest fears
(1) Brinkman = Mos = Jansen
(2) International distraction to case...


Just thinking back...
The audacity of the Aruban Government/Police... Humiliation of Beth by forcing her to hold an international press conference, televised to the world, to apologize to three scumbags suspects, who most likely abducted, raped, and murdered her daughter. As if grieving the loss of your loved one, a child, is not bad enough to deal with...Absolutely frickin' unbelievable.

[Anna]

I sure hope Marlon is not the big arrest!

 

I think this is going to require some Key Lime pie to cope with.

[wreck]

I sure hope Marlon is not the big arrest!

 

I think this is going to require some Key Lime pie to cope with.

So Greta said absolutely nothing about Natalee????   

[wreck]

Cautiously optimistic -- leaning pessimistic

[2NJSons_Mom]

Cautiously optimistic -- leaning pessimistic

Pessimists can be pleasantly surprised or say 'I told you so'.   

[wreck]

Cautiously optimistic -- leaning pessimistic

Pessimists can be pleasantly surprised or say 'I told you so'.   

I hope I'm pleasantly surprised.

[hotping]

Cautiously optimistic -- leaning pessimistic

Pessimists can be pleasantly surprised or say 'I told you so'.   

I hope I'm pleasantly surprised.

I hope that We All Are! 

[msmarple]

A belated Happy New Year to you monkeys ...

I would like to thank texasmom, who has been watching the Aruba publications AND posting to the Murder and Crime thread (see my sig line). I am sorry, but I have not been able to "read" those publications lately.

Also thanks to johan555, who posts crime articles here on the Natalee thread.

The M&C thread presently has a whopping 96,535 views. It's the ideal crash course on Aruba. If you haven't done so, start at Page 1. You will NOT be bored.

[texasmom]

1/6/2009 Awe Mainta Page 7

http://awemainta.com/home/



Papiamentu translation:

today tardi ministerio publico dispuesto for give one update of investigacion of natalee holloway yesterday we of awemainta owing to achieve invitacion of part of ministerio publico, bao condicion, for one conferencia of prensa today, tuesday 6 of january of 2.30 for 3.30’or of nightfall. the conferencia of prensa here, as menciona will take lugar at edificio of conseho of minister. thing is some odd, because t’e so far cu we know, reunionnan of conseho of minister do not take lugar more in bestuurskantoor, where not have none minister more sit, already cu all owing to muda for they respectivo edificionan. but we is believe cu will is in sitting-room of meeting of conseho of minister. topico is one update in the investigacion of desaparicion of natalee holloway, confirmando cu till still the caso here do not close. today, depende if ministerio publico will continua cu the conferencia of prensa here, will divulga more detayes of the afamado caso here.

[texasmom]

A belated Happy New Year to you monkeys ...

I would like to thank texasmom, who has been watching the Aruba publications AND posting to the Murder and Crime thread (see my sig line). I am sorry, but I have not been able to "read" those publications lately.

Also thanks to johan555, who posts crime articles here on the Natalee thread.

The M&C thread presently has a whopping 96,535 views. It's the ideal crash course on Aruba. If you haven't done so, start at Page 1. You will NOT be bored.

Happy New Year to you Ms. Marple!

You're welcome.  I have not been spending as much time getting those articles into the Murder and Crime Thread as I should have.  I have so many that are not posted!  My goal is to improve on this.  Thank you for your kindness!