Natalee Case Discussion #790 1/3/09 - 1/6/09

[texasmom]

That picture of the hermit crab put into the cage makes me sick.

huh why ?
that's what they told me ! i am not a biologist

Johan would do me a favor? My understanding is that after 3 years, there would most likely not be any of the skull left in the ocean if that had been Natalee. Can you ask the biologists their opinion? I would greatly appreciate it.

I also thought that it  was a skull  !! ask Klaas

I just thought if you had spoken to a marine biologist they might be able to shed some light as to what might have been in the cage 3 years later. I thought the only thing they could hope to find would be the clothing material, no bones, but I am not really sure of that.

It really was a legitimate question I was hoping they might answer for you. Didn't see anything humorous in asking and didn't think it required some of the sarcasm I received.

I will try and find the answer myself because any question I ask or post I make is met by hostility and sarcasm because I don't buy into the conspiracy theory.

Looks like I have reached "asshole"" status Klaas...just ban me.

Spend some time researching that, I have.  I'm not sure it was a skull, but I'm definitely NOT convinced it wasn't.

[klaasend]

That picture of the hermit crab put into the cage makes me sick.

huh why ?
that's what they told me ! i am not a biologist

Johan would do me a favor? My understanding is that after 3 years, there would most likely not be any of the skull left in the ocean if that had been Natalee. Can you ask the biologists their opinion? I would greatly appreciate it.

I also thought that it  was a skull  !! ask Klaas

I just thought if you had spoken to a marine biologist they might be able to shed some light as to what might have been in the cage 3 years later. I thought the only thing they could hope to find would be the clothing material, no bones, but I am not really sure of that.

It really was a legitimate question I was hoping they might answer for you. Didn't see anything humorous in asking and didn't think it required some of the sarcasm I received.

I will try and find the answer myself because any question I ask or post I make is met by hostility and sarcasm because I don't buy into the conspiracy theory.

Looks like I have reached "asshole"" status Klaas...just ban me.

ldstlou - that was uncalled for, Johan didn't mean anything rude by his response to you.  Seriously, what did he say?  I think here you are being overly sensitive, MOO.

[Lifesong]

Kermit -

While you're here....

I think you may have missed this from a post I made on 12/18.  The sentiments are important to me, so I've copied them over:

<snipped>

4.  Kermit - Thank you for your service to our country.  I mean it, Thank You.  Thank you for your sacrifice, your dedication, and your hard work throughout the course of your career.  Every president we elect is my president.  Thanks also on behalf of my 12 year old daughter for continuing to break down and hold open the doors for women to advance professionally.  Equality is still elusive, but you've made lasting contributions and that should also be acknowledged.

No response necessary, dear frog, just thank you!!   

[Helen Back]

That picture of the hermit crab put into the cage makes me sick.

huh why ?
that's what they told me ! i am not a biologist

Johan would do me a favor? My understanding is that after 3 years, there would most likely not be any of the skull left in the ocean if that had been Natalee. Can you ask the biologists their opinion? I would greatly appreciate it.

I also thought that it  was a skull  !! ask Klaas

I just thought if you had spoken to a marine biologist they might be able to shed some light as to what might have been in the cage 3 years later. I thought the only thing they could hope to find would be the clothing material, no bones, but I am not really sure of that.

It really was a legitimate question I was hoping they might answer for you. Didn't see anything humorous in asking and didn't think it required some of the sarcasm I received.

I will try and find the answer myself because any question I ask or post I make is met by hostility and sarcasm because I don't buy into the conspiracy theory.

Looks like I have reached "asshole"" status Klaas...just ban me.

Spend some time researching that, I have.  I'm not sure it was a skull, but I'm definitely NOT convinced it wasn't.

ldstlou,

I didn't see any sarcasm or hostility here.  I didn't sense anyone laughing at you.  Did I miss something ?

What just happened?

 

[Ree]

HANS MOS IS LYING!

Kyle stated: "In my opinion that last pic from Jan 7th should be absolutely intriguing and flip your mind from what you thought you knew.
In case it isn't clear.. notice the blue denim-like fabric."

Kyle stated: "notice the blue fabric swayed in the current"

Kyle stated: "The blue tarp piece was found approx 6-10 ft away from the trap opening."

The blue tarp and blue fabric was confirmed by Richardson AND Hans Mos.

Kyle stated: "Remember, they each only confirmed one piece. One confirmed blue fabric, the other confirmed tarp. From the video you see both.


Kyle stated: "The most likely to remain at or near it's original location was the skull, which is why I was so convinced the object pictured was a skull."

Tim Miller was convinced it was a skull too.

Kyle Kingman’s Summary

Kyle Kingman’s Specialties:

Project Management, Sonar Acquisition, hydrographic survey, data processing, remote sensing data analysis

http://www.linkedin.com/pub/b/65/464

Janet,

What are you trying to tell us concerning the remote sensing data analysis.  It appears to me to be related to the bathymetric models that Kyle discussed.

[Nut44x4]

who's got the lock?

You can have it if you want it 

[johan555]

Huff...huff....pufff...

Finally caught up!   

Johan

A question for you...

If there was only a hermit crab in the cage - what in world is in those baggies that look for all the world like bones?

In my opinion there was at least 1 bone  and what the other stuff is i don't know 
Maybe Keepthefaith or janet can tell you that

If a Hermit crab is nocturnal why would it be out during the day?Very bright from the standpoint of the pictures.I think Kyle would know better then Rotterdam dive team!Just sayin Johan.You either believe Kyle or you don't.You decline to answer that question!Rightfully so i'm sure!

I do my own research and have contact with specialists
I am not so simple that i choose for someone

[bastibro]

snipped...
When does the new guy step in, and will he be taking over the Holloway investigation? (I'm sick of Mos' face).

Doesn't matter...the new guy will be just like the rest. He will be well trained on the matter before stepping in

Passive /Aggressive Resistance.... The Dutch Socialists have made an ART of it..

You`re right IMO, but the`re not Socialists,  they are technocrats and bureaucrats, almost not human.

Bastibro, here.....................................

Thanks BB, i`m convinced of my opinion!

[texasmom]

            JUSTICE FOR NATALEE!!!!

[Kermit]

HANS MOS IS LYING!

Kyle stated: "In my opinion that last pic from Jan 7th should be absolutely intriguing and flip your mind from what you thought you knew.
In case it isn't clear.. notice the blue denim-like fabric."

Kyle stated: "notice the blue fabric swayed in the current"

Kyle stated: "The blue tarp piece was found approx 6-10 ft away from the trap opening."

The blue tarp and blue fabric was confirmed by Richardson AND Hans Mos.

Kyle stated: "Remember, they each only confirmed one piece. One confirmed blue fabric, the other confirmed tarp. From the video you see both.


Kyle stated: "The most likely to remain at or near it's original location was the skull, which is why I was so convinced the object pictured was a skull."

Tim Miller was convinced it was a skull too.

So not a hermit crab Kermit?

 

[Tamikosmom]

Thank you Janet, I accept the invitation!  

And I apologize for saying a bad word in my last post.  

 

None of words of your post were "bad words" in my dictionary.

texasmom ... I look forward to meeting ya.

Janet

Me too Janet.
You're amazing and dedicated and man that pond that veggie is working on with the lanterns is just so tempting. In spite of Miss Piggy's squeal she is an "in-door pig" like George Cloony's pig.

Actually ... Miss Piggy is not invited.  texasmom and I want you all to ourselves while you share with us all the itty bitty details encompassing your meeting with Hero Brinkman.

We figured out when you implied that Brinkman did not go to Aruba empty handed ... you must have hopped into his briefcase.

Hey ... you grandma's famous shoofly pie is currently in the freezer wait to be thawed and warmed.

Janet

[bastibro]

I think Dolph Richardson (aka "Radio") was trying desperately to pick his nose during the press conference.  I am convinced of this.

If you don't believe me go to 24ora and watch him.  Closely.  My opinion, he should have excused himself for a moment to get that booger out with a kleenex!  

 

haha LOL what a dirtbag he is TM ROFL

[ldstlou]

That picture of the hermit crab put into the cage makes me sick.

huh why ?
that's what they told me ! i am not a biologist

Johan would do me a favor? My understanding is that after 3 years, there would most likely not be any of the skull left in the ocean if that had been Natalee. Can you ask the biologists their opinion? I would greatly appreciate it.

 

I wasn't referring to johan Klaas...it's this crap that is uncalled for.
Ban me and we'll make it official!

[Tamikosmom]

HANS MOS IS LYING!

Kyle stated: "In my opinion that last pic from Jan 7th should be absolutely intriguing and flip your mind from what you thought you knew.
In case it isn't clear.. notice the blue denim-like fabric."

Kyle stated: "notice the blue fabric swayed in the current"

Kyle stated: "The blue tarp piece was found approx 6-10 ft away from the trap opening."

The blue tarp and blue fabric was confirmed by Richardson AND Hans Mos.

Kyle stated: "Remember, they each only confirmed one piece. One confirmed blue fabric, the other confirmed tarp. From the video you see both.


Kyle stated: "The most likely to remain at or near it's original location was the skull, which is why I was so convinced the object pictured was a skull."

Tim Miller was convinced it was a skull too.

Kyle Kingman’s Summary

Kyle Kingman’s Specialties:

Project Management, Sonar Acquisition, hydrographic survey, data processing, remote sensing data analysis

http://www.linkedin.com/pub/b/65/464

Janet,

What are you trying to tell us concerning the remote sensing data analysis.  It appears to me to be related to the bathymetric models that Kyle discussed.

I am just attempting to share that Kyle Kingsman's professional expertise deems him qualified to analyze ROV images.

Janet

[bleachedblack]

That picture of the hermit crab put into the cage makes me sick.

huh why ?
that's what they told me ! i am not a biologist

You are just searching for answers as we all are, thank-you.

[Kermit]

Kermit -

While you're here....

I think you may have missed this from a post I made on 12/18.  The sentiments are important to me, so I've copied them over:

<snipped>

4.  Kermit - Thank you for your service to our country.  I mean it, Thank You.  Thank you for your sacrifice, your dedication, and your hard work throughout the course of your career.  Every president we elect is my president.  Thanks also on behalf of my 12 year old daughter for continuing to break down and hold open the doors for women to advance professionally.  Equality is still elusive, but you've made lasting contributions and that should also be acknowledged.

No response necessary, dear frog, just thank you!!   

Oh my goodness. Thank you. I had not seen that post. I'm humbled and I thank you for saying that. It means a lot.

[texasmom]

Thank you Janet, I accept the invitation!  

And I apologize for saying a bad word in my last post.  

 

None of words of your post were "bad words" in my dictionary.

texasmom ... I look forward to meeting ya.

Janet

Me too Janet.
You're amazing and dedicated and man that pond that veggie is working on with the lanterns is just so tempting. In spite of Miss Piggy's squeal she is an "in-door pig" like George Cloony's pig.

Actually ... Miss Piggy is not invited.  texasmom and I want you all to ourselves while you share with us all the itty bitty details encompassing your meeting with Hero Brinkman.

We figured out when you implied that Brinkman did not go to Aruba empty handed ... you must have hopped into his briefcase.

Hey ... you grandma's famous shoofly pie is currently in the freezer wait to be thawed and warmed.

Janet

 

[Nut44x4]

or perhaps too much cocaine

[BUCKSHOT]

What a bunch of POS getting on TV with that crap!They sure didn't mention the Persistence and what was found out in the waters off Aruba did they?They searched a pond.LOL.No mention of the cage or it's contents!Maybe Hero will put the Persistence in the light and watch these snakes do more squirming!

Contents ?  was there a important content ?

Are you referring to the cage Johan?

yes sure

We'll never know now will we?Me personally.I Think the contents very important.Others may not feel that way.

I have spent hours/days but came to the conclusion that there was practically nothing in that cage

One can assume.Without Forensic testing we'll never know!Well.The Cover-up continues.

I asked a Dive company in Rotterdam for a second opinion


I asked a Dive company in Rotterdam if the pics (if' send the pics to them ) were taken with a ROV and what he thinks about the content of the cage .
i spoke with the Owner of the dive company (they work daily (worldwide)with the ROV) and hey said to me that it is certainly not a human body.

Dear Johan,



The images were created with a R.O.V. The images were taken at around 91 f. That means 91 feet approximately 30 meters water depth.

The white stain bottom of the cage is very likely that sand by the weight of the cage through the mesh (net) is pressed. Because the cage at the bottom state.

Photo 2 is a photograph of a t.v. screen on which to see how the R.O.V. about 3 meters above the cage hangs (81 f) right we see the manipulator of the ROV in the picture .. The manipulator is a kind of movable and rotating grasping forceps.

Other photos are the same only what is here played with contrast and color. The objects in the cage are in my view hermit crabs. Hermit crabs have a shell to protect. When they bigger, the shell left, and they go looking for another shell.

A second possibility is that during the submersible of the cage, the cage was rotated 180 º and the bait top of the cage is hung (in order to lure crabs) now on the ground seems to lie. The bait is suspended with a piece of steel wire and a weight to the well to hang. This weight may be anything but what is on a crab boat.

The cage itself is heavily vegetated that is to say that it is already at least half years in the water must have been. Cages are used time and time again, and look not so overgrown off.



I am assuming here that you can continue.


Best regards,

DIVE & COMPANY MAAS Waal
Rotterdam

I definitely respect everyone's opinion...

But, there seems to be a definite divide, concerning the trap.
(1) Human remains(NH). Tim Miller diverted from boat (liability) - pond, tip off of Aruba. Disappearing contents of cage.
(2) Not human remains. NH never in a cage. Random abandoned cage in ocean. Drug post office.

Don't know which to believe. Where is the frog when you need him??
What is the consensus as it can not be both (1) and (2). Must be (1) OR (2).

[Keepthefaith]

Huff...huff....pufff...

Finally caught up!   

Johan

A question for you...

If there was only a hermit crab in the cage - what in world is in those baggies that look for all the world like bones?

In my opinion there was at least 1 bone  and what the other stuff is i don't know 
Maybe Keepthefaith or janet can tell you that

If a Hermit crab is nocturnal why would it be out during the day?Very bright from the standpoint of the pictures.I think Kyle would know better then Rotterdam dive team!Just sayin Johan.You either believe Kyle or you don't.You decline to answer that question!Rightfully so i'm sure!

I do my own research and have contact with specialists
I am not so simple that i choose for someone

Rightfully and respectfully so Johan.I get the sense that we agree to disagree!