Natalee Case Discussion #791 1/6/09 - 1/9/09

[Tamikosmom]

'afternoon monks

Jen ~ Can you tell me if the Freebirds are still in existence, or has the entire group folded?

Also, do you and Kermit have additional information that you have not divulged regarding the cage?

Thanks, and if you cannot answer, I understand.

This is somewhat of a driveby, but I'll be back later today.
I've been studying in the Persistence thread. 

Hi memphis.

No - Freebirds have not folded.  There are still people there to protect what needs protecting.

I believe all of the high points surrounding the cage and its contents have been divulged - Kyle posted with us starting last March, so there are lots of posts from him.  Mostly peripheral stuff is all that's left, I believe.

But - as Monkeys start pointing out more and more things that could tie into other information Kyle gave us - I'm sure that will come forward as well.

KYLE KINGMAN - IN HIS OWN WORDS

Kyle: No one else has access or copies of the photos or footage. All fingers point back to me when this leaks.

[Anna]

http://www.depers.nl/binnenland/275196/Nieuw-onderzoek-Holloway-zaak.html

Landsrecherche is doing the investigation into the initial investigation.

Considering Landrecherche is the Aruba Police Internal Investigations Department (Aruba) ... would this not be a conflict of interest when it is considered that the perception is that the coverup in the Natalee Holloway investigation reached far  beyond Jan Vander Straaten ... it reached to all levels of the Aruban Aministration.

My understanding is the Landrecherche has had an ongoing role in working with the ALE and investigating aspects the Natalee Holloway case and ... for 3 1/2 years has come up with zilch.

Unless the FBI are invited to investigate the Aruban investigation ... I contend it is just another Dog and Pony Show.

Janet

++++++++

no sovereign country is ever going to let a foreign bureau from outside their jurisdiction investigate their police force.
imagine for a moment the FBI letting themselves investigated by a foreign bureau.
that only could happen when one country occupies another.

so the FBI is never going to be invited to investigate. maybe a supporting role, but never a leading role.
and the FBI don't even wants that. they've got enough on their hands at home.
because the next day they've got hundreds of demands to investigate other cases in foreign countries.
and rightly so because if foreign bureaus of investigation will start investigating eachother it will result in one big mess without justice ever done. endless lawsuits about jurisdictions, double jeopardy and much more.

Brinkman wants the Rijksrecherche to investigate the investigation.
that's a possible option because it is within the jurisdiction of the Kingdom.
but as of now there is not enough political support for that. but that is shifting slowly in the good direction.

Isn't this one of the main functions of Interpol?  Corruption of police organizations?  They have a whole division devoted to just that.

The Bahamas often turn investigations over to the U.S. when our citizens are involved.  Case in point, the recent death of John Travolta's son Jett.

This has happened many times and with many islands in the Caribbean when there is a death of U.S. citizen.

Aruba is the only one I can remember blocking the FBI from any participation at all.  We have come to expect very different behavior from friends and allies in the region.

[caesu]

http://www.depers.nl/binnenland/275196/Nieuw-onderzoek-Holloway-zaak.html

Landsrecherche is doing the investigation into the initial investigation.

Thanks caesu!

Do we know who leads the Landsrecherche?  I know it used to be Jan van der Straten....

i don't know. but it is a public prosecutor.
and Mos of course heads the public prosecution.

this Landsrecherche is only a necessary hurdle to take first, i don't expect a solution from this.
as soon as it turns out that this Landsrecherche investigation is also messed up, then the Rijksrecherche is next in line to investigate - providing there is political support for that.

the Rijksrecherche is not going to have its reputation tainted by this so i trust them to finally bring justice.
but that might still take a long while until that point.

Thanks again!!

I am surprised to learn that a prosecutor heads that up - especially since I know vd straten was in charge of it in 2005 - and he is certainly no prosecutor.

maybe it is something like the prosecutor manages it, and a police chief heads it.

but about Mos: i think he will pretend he is investigating for a few more months.
then in the spring he closes the case just around the time his term on Aruba is over.
then a new Dutch head prosecutor comes over and everything starts over again.

and i doubt this investigation of the investigation will bring anything to light.
but Brinkman will keep the pressure up. these threats by Rudy Croes and Brete only energized him more.
and Peter R. will make a new broadcast the coming months.
at some point, at worse it might take years, Aruba will be become a unbearable pain in the backside and something will snap and the Kingdom Cabinet will order a Rijksrecherche investigation.
then Aruba might react by breaking all ties with The Netherlands and going for full independence.

also the election on Aruba this year is interesting.
the AVP is more willing to let the Dutch (Rijksrecherche) investigate, because everything happened under MEP's (Oduber/Croes) watch.
so let's hope MEP gets beaten in the election.

[BUCKSHOT]

'afternoon monks

Jen ~ Can you tell me if the Freebirds are still in existence, or has the entire group folded?

Also, do you and Kermit have additional information that you have not divulged regarding the cage?

Thanks, and if you cannot answer, I understand.

This is somewhat of a driveby, but I'll be back later today.
I've been studying in the Persistence thread. 

Hi memphis.

No - Freebirds have not folded.  There are still people there to protect what needs protecting.

I believe all of the high points surrounding the cage and its contents have been divulged - Kyle posted with us starting last March, so there are lots of posts from him.  Mostly peripheral stuff is all that's left, I believe.

But - as Monkeys start pointing out more and more things that could tie into other information Kyle gave us - I'm sure that will come forward as well.

Does everyone at Freebirds know exactly what happened to NH? All details that night, etc...?
Just curious...

[AZLady]

I have no trust or faith in an Aruban or even a Dutch internal investigation.  History has a habit of repeating itself.  From my research, as far back as 1994 the Arubans (under a Royal Decree) have been "investigating" corruption on their own island.  These investigations have resulted in nothing--nada, zilch.  The only way corruption will be exposed and removed from Aruba is if an Interpol team or some other international police force leads the investigation.

From:  http://www1.umn.edu/humanrts/undocs/session67/view883.htm

2.2 Under a Royal Decree of 22 October 1994 the Interim Head of Aruban Security Service, A. Koerten, was instructed to carry out an investigation into the security and integrity of Aruba. A report on this investigation was produced on 20 April 1995, entitled Security and Integrity of Aruba: Context and Perspective.

2.3 The report was issued as top secret and was sent to a limited number of state officials and institutions, named in the report.

2.4 The report draws a picture of security in Aruba and mentions that foreign services fighting crime in the region are Aalmost unanimous in their opinion that the predominant image of the Aruban business community is one of joint services towards (laundering specialists of) regional drug cartels.@ The report mentions the authors by name and portrays them as criminals who were associated with criminal organizations involved in drugs trafficking, gun trafficking and laundering money obtained from criminal activities.

[caesu]

http://www.depers.nl/binnenland/275196/Nieuw-onderzoek-Holloway-zaak.html

Landsrecherche is doing the investigation into the initial investigation.

Considering Landrecherche is the Aruba Police Internal Investigations Department (Aruba) ... would this not be a conflict of interest when it is considered that the perception is that the coverup in the Natalee Holloway investigation reached far  beyond Jan Vander Straaten ... it reached to all levels of the Aruban Aministration.

My understanding is the Landrecherche has had an ongoing role in working with the ALE and investigating aspects the Natalee Holloway case and ... for 3 1/2 years has come up with zilch.

Unless the FBI are invited to investigate the Aruban investigation ... I contend it is just another Dog and Pony Show.

Janet

++++++++

no sovereign country is ever going to let a foreign bureau from outside their jurisdiction investigate their police force.
imagine for a moment the FBI letting themselves investigated by a foreign bureau.
that only could happen when one country occupies another.

so the FBI is never going to be invited to investigate. maybe a supporting role, but never a leading role.
and the FBI don't even wants that. they've got enough on their hands at home.
because the next day they've got hundreds of demands to investigate other cases in foreign countries.
and rightly so because if foreign bureaus of investigation will start investigating eachother it will result in one big mess without justice ever done. endless lawsuits about jurisdictions, double jeopardy and much more.

Brinkman wants the Rijksrecherche to investigate the investigation.
that's a possible option because it is within the jurisdiction of the Kingdom.
but as of now there is not enough political support for that. but that is shifting slowly in the good direction.

Isn't this one of the main functions of Interpol?  Corruption of police organizations?  They have a whole division devoted to just that.

The Bahamas often turn investigations over to the U.S. when our citizens are involved.  Case in point, the recent death of John Travolta's son Jett.

This has happened many times and with many islands in the Caribbean when there is a death of U.S. citizen.

Aruba is the only one I can remember blocking the FBI from any participation at all.  We have come to expect very different behavior from friends and allies in the region.

but not investigate the investigation itself.
and Interpol only comes in on invitation.
don't think the Dutch Kingdom is going to do that before they've exhausted their own tools of investigation.
that is the Rijksrecherche. they haven't had a role yet.

also keep in mind that if a foreign team does head the investigation outside their jurisdiction the case might get dismissed in court because of unlawful (out of jurisdiction) investigation methods.
so letting a foreign bureau head the investigation might even be a ploy to have the case dismissed in court.

[Anna]

Didn't a Dutch law school already look at this investigation and call it "insane" and incompetent or something like that?

I thought that was a Dutch Law Professor. He was on Greta one night.

IIRC, wasn't there also a news article with statements from Dutch legal professionals?

4.06.2006
Dutch criminal law scholars express
Big criticism about Aruban investigation in the case of Natalee Holloway
DIARIO Aruba
4/6/2006

ORANJESTAD(AAN): Dutch criminal law experts recently expressed big criticism about the Aruban police investigation into the disappearance of Natalee Holloway
They call the investigation methods strange and unprofessional. They expressed much criticism as well about Commissioner Gerold Dompig’s behavior.

“It is incomprehensible that police, after an important tip about the location of Natalee Holloway’s body, to not go search immediately.”

This is according to a criminal law scholar of the University of Amsterdam, Menno Dolman.

The place in the dunes where they searched last week was left alone for long weeks, which could have made that important tips be lost.

It was a month after that an anonymous man called Dompig in tears with information about where the body of Natalee was buried, that authorities sprung into action.

“This is very strange”, according to a legal psychologist, Peter van Koppen. “Normally the area is closed off immediately, to dig and search for clues, but not in Aruba”.

Before police started to search, Dompig spoke openly with the press about new clues and another search which was on the way.

“Total madness”, according to a criminal law expert of the University of Leiden, Hans Nijboer. “This is a total error”.

According to Nijboer it is against all principles and illogical to bring forth details of the tips, before starting the search. Competent investigators investigate the case.

“The media is the last option for investigators”, according to Dolman. “You do not give out information that only the guilty could know.

If this happens, then it becomes very troublesome to know if the details in the declarations are authentic or if the person read this in the newspapers”.

According to the Dutch article, Dompig does not appear worried about these details. He gave details of the case easily to the press. However, the facts and the theories of which he spoke, contradict each other.

He said that he believes that Natalee perished due to an overdose of a combination of alcohol and drugs, that she consumed on the night of her disappearance.

However, in an interview with a Dutch newspaper, he said that he believes that Natalee lost her life as a victim of a criminal act (rape and murder).

According to Dolman, these two versions contradict each other. Dolman suspects that Dompig did this to keep the media at bay.

According to van Koppen, perhaps this is an investigation tactic on the part of Dompig, where he is now tapping the suspects’ conversation along with their friends and families, in order to catch something perhaps during a telephone conversation. Dolman doesn’t believe in a tactical action of such magnitude. According to Dolma, this is done for a stalled case.


// posted by Getagrip @ 4/06/2006 12:21:00 PM

[jen3560]

http://www.depers.nl/binnenland/275196/Nieuw-onderzoek-Holloway-zaak.html

Landsrecherche is doing the investigation into the initial investigation.

Considering Landrecherche is the Aruba Police Internal Investigations Department (Aruba) ... would this not be a conflict of interest when it is considered that the perception is that the coverup in the Natalee Holloway investigation reached far  beyond Jan Vander Straaten ... it reached to all levels of the Aruban Aministration.

My understanding is the Landrecherche has had an ongoing role in working with the ALE and investigating aspects the Natalee Holloway case and ... for 3 1/2 years has come up with zilch.

Unless the FBI are invited to investigate the Aruban investigation ... I contend it is just another Dog and Pony Show.

Janet

++++++++

no sovereign country is ever going to let a foreign bureau from outside their jurisdiction investigate their police force.
imagine for a moment the FBI letting themselves investigated by a foreign bureau.
that only could happen when one country occupies another.

so the FBI is never going to be invited to investigate. maybe a supporting role, but never a leading role.
and the FBI don't even wants that. they've got enough on their hands at home.
because the next day they've got hundreds of demands to investigate other cases in foreign countries.
and rightly so because if foreign bureaus of investigation will start investigating eachother it will result in one big mess without justice ever done. endless lawsuits about jurisdictions, double jeopardy and much more.

Brinkman wants the Rijksrecherche to investigate the investigation.
that's a possible option because it is within the jurisdiction of the Kingdom.
but as of now there is not enough political support for that. but that is shifting slowly in the good direction.

Isn't this one of the main functions of Interpol?  Corruption of police organizations?  They have a whole division devoted to just that.
The Bahamas often turn investigations over to the U.S. when our citizens are involved.  Case in point, the recent death of John Travolta's son Jett.

This has happened many times and with many islands in the Caribbean when there is a death of U.S. citizen.

Aruba is the only one I can remember blocking the FBI from any participation at all.  We have come to expect very different behavior from friends and allies in the region.

I believe you are correct Anna.  And remember, we were told that Interpol, in addition to Johan Remkes, were contacted by Rudy Croes way back when to come in and investigate...

[jen3560]

http://www.depers.nl/binnenland/275196/Nieuw-onderzoek-Holloway-zaak.html

Landsrecherche is doing the investigation into the initial investigation.

Thanks caesu!

Do we know who leads the Landsrecherche?  I know it used to be Jan van der Straten....

i don't know. but it is a public prosecutor.
and Mos of course heads the public prosecution.

this Landsrecherche is only a necessary hurdle to take first, i don't expect a solution from this.
as soon as it turns out that this Landsrecherche investigation is also messed up, then the Rijksrecherche is next in line to investigate - providing there is political support for that.

the Rijksrecherche is not going to have its reputation tainted by this so i trust them to finally bring justice.
but that might still take a long while until that point.

Thanks again!!

I am surprised to learn that a prosecutor heads that up - especially since I know vd straten was in charge of it in 2005 - and he is certainly no prosecutor.

maybe it is something like the prosecutor manages it, and a police chief heads it.

but about Mos: i think he will pretend he is investigating for a few more months.
then in the spring he closes the case just around the time his term on Aruba is over.
then a new Dutch head prosecutor comes over and everything starts over again.

and i doubt this investigation of the investigation will bring anything to light.
but Brinkman will keep the pressure up. these threats by Rudy Croes and Brete only energized him more.
and Peter R. will make a new broadcast the coming months.
at some point, at worse it might take years, Aruba will be become a unbearable pain in the backside and something will snap and the Kingdom Cabinet will order a Rijksrecherche investigation.
then Aruba might react by breaking all ties with The Netherlands and going for full independence.

also the election on Aruba this year is interesting.
the AVP is more willing to let the Dutch (Rijksrecherche) investigate, because everything happened under MEP's (Oduber/Croes) watch.
so let's hope MEP gets beaten in the election.

I completely agree with you.  Do you know who currently heads up the Rijksrecherche?

[AZLady]

Other documentation and experts believe that the corruption on Aruba has been deeply entrenched for over half a decade.  Neighboring countries are well aware of this as is the Netherlands.  Over the years investigations have been conducted, but the few arrests made had more of a political impact than any effect on curbing the corruption.  Corruption and politics on Aruba, as we all know, are closely intertwined with the business of the island. 

[jen3560]

'afternoon monks

Jen ~ Can you tell me if the Freebirds are still in existence, or has the entire group folded?

Also, do you and Kermit have additional information that you have not divulged regarding the cage?

Thanks, and if you cannot answer, I understand.

This is somewhat of a driveby, but I'll be back later today.
I've been studying in the Persistence thread. 

Hi memphis.

No - Freebirds have not folded.  There are still people there to protect what needs protecting.

I believe all of the high points surrounding the cage and its contents have been divulged - Kyle posted with us starting last March, so there are lots of posts from him.  Mostly peripheral stuff is all that's left, I believe.

But - as Monkeys start pointing out more and more things that could tie into other information Kyle gave us - I'm sure that will come forward as well.

Does everyone at Freebirds know exactly what happened to NH? All details that night, etc...?
Just curious...

No - I don't think so.  We have not seen any more evidence from that night than everyone else has.  Most have formed the same opinion based on the facts as to how she met her demise - but some do maintain differing opinions on that.

The series we did called In The Face of Evil details what we believe to have been the time, method, and means of the disposal of her remains the following night.  Cell phone towers played a big part in being able to put that together, along with the other facts, of course.

Those cell tower records lend very good support to the position of that cage, btw.

[jen3560]

Anna - thank you for finding that article!

[AZLady]

There is one significant difference this time--greater public attention and knowledge of the investigation.  In the past, investigations into corruption in Aruba were secret and buried.  They were a feeble attempt to placate and then business as usual.  Hopefully, with the media shining a light on this, it will have a different outcome, but I'm still doubtful.

[Tamikosmom]

I have no trust or faith in an Aruban or even a Dutch internal investigation.  History has a habit of repeating itself.  From my research, as far back as 1994 the Arubans (under a Royal Decree) have been "investigating" corruption on their own island.  These investigations have resulted in nothing--nada, zilch.  The only way corruption will be exposed and removed from Aruba is if an Interpol team or some other international police force leads the investigation.

From:  http://www1.umn.edu/humanrts/undocs/session67/view883.htm

2.2 Under a Royal Decree of 22 October 1994 the Interim Head of Aruban Security Service, A. Koerten, was instructed to carry out an investigation into the security and integrity of Aruba. A report on this investigation was produced on 20 April 1995, entitled Security and Integrity of Aruba: Context and Perspective.

2.3 The report was issued as top secret and was sent to a limited number of state officials and institutions, named in the report.

2.4 The report draws a picture of security in Aruba and mentions that foreign services fighting crime in the region are Aalmost unanimous in their opinion that the predominant image of the Aruban business community is one of joint services towards (laundering specialists of) regional drug cartels.@ The report mentions the authors by name and portrays them as criminals who were associated with criminal organizations involved in drugs trafficking, gun trafficking and laundering money obtained from criminal activities.

Thank you AZLady.

I cannot comprehend how any who have followed the case from the getgo ... can believe for one minute that justice for Natalee Holloway is going to originate from a Dutch or Aruban investigation.  The coverup was created and has been furthered by those within the Dutch/Aruban administration and ... there is no way Holland or Aruba will allow an investigation to allow the domino effect of accountability to take place.

Janet

++++++++

OPRAH WINFREY SHOW
January 27, 2008

BETH HOLLOWAY: ... we've never really relied on an investigative approach to find an answer to Natalee. I think what we've relied on more heavily is that at any given moment something unexpected could happen and we really feel anyone could talk at any moment.
 
http://www2.oprah.com/world/politics/slide/20080116/politics_284_203.jhtml

Edited to correct salutation from AZSunny to AZLady.

[Keepthefaith]

OK.I'll be the emotional,raving person for a minute.4 years.4 years.Time to stop with the BS and get something done.The Dutch Elite are covering for their own else Paulus and the gang would have been locked up long ago.If Johan Remkes put Paulus where he is at they obviously have a long relatiosnship.It's sad that it's taking Hero Brinkman from the smaller party to do something.This would of,should of,and could of been solved 4 years ago if it wasn't for the CORRUPTION in Aruba which in turn leads directly to the Netherlands.Excuses,excuses,excuses.I,for one,have had enough of the BS.4 years of complete incompetence from Aruba to the Netherlands.Let's wait for this case to make it up the chain of command 10 years later.HOW SICKENING.All for what?Porn,Drugs,Money laundering,Human trafficking.SOLVE THE CASE ALREADY!OK.I'm done for now..


KEEPTHEFAITH

[caesu]

http://www.depers.nl/binnenland/275196/Nieuw-onderzoek-Holloway-zaak.html

Landsrecherche is doing the investigation into the initial investigation.

Thanks caesu!

Do we know who leads the Landsrecherche?  I know it used to be Jan van der Straten....

i don't know. but it is a public prosecutor.
and Mos of course heads the public prosecution.

this Landsrecherche is only a necessary hurdle to take first, i don't expect a solution from this.
as soon as it turns out that this Landsrecherche investigation is also messed up, then the Rijksrecherche is next in line to investigate - providing there is political support for that.

the Rijksrecherche is not going to have its reputation tainted by this so i trust them to finally bring justice.
but that might still take a long while until that point.

Thanks again!!

I am surprised to learn that a prosecutor heads that up - especially since I know vd straten was in charge of it in 2005 - and he is certainly no prosecutor.

maybe it is something like the prosecutor manages it, and a police chief heads it.

but about Mos: i think he will pretend he is investigating for a few more months.
then in the spring he closes the case just around the time his term on Aruba is over.
then a new Dutch head prosecutor comes over and everything starts over again.

and i doubt this investigation of the investigation will bring anything to light.
but Brinkman will keep the pressure up. these threats by Rudy Croes and Brete only energized him more.
and Peter R. will make a new broadcast the coming months.
at some point, at worse it might take years, Aruba will be become a unbearable pain in the backside and something will snap and the Kingdom Cabinet will order a Rijksrecherche investigation.
then Aruba might react by breaking all ties with The Netherlands and going for full independence.

also the election on Aruba this year is interesting.
the AVP is more willing to let the Dutch (Rijksrecherche) investigate, because everything happened under MEP's (Oduber/Croes) watch.
so let's hope MEP gets beaten in the election.

I completely agree with you.  Do you know who currently heads up the Rijksrecherche?

Not each single investigation in said field is conducted by the rijksrecherche. Investigations may also be assigned to the Internal Affairs Bureaus (BIZ) or Internal Investigations Bureaus ( BIO) operating within the organisations proper. For correctly carrying out one and other, the Board of Procurators General has issued a directive. The objective of the directive is to explain the criteria according to which the rijksrecherche may be deployed (see Core Tasks / deployment criteria). To conclude, the Rijksrecherche Coordination Committee ( CCR) decides if and when an investigation will actually be conducted by the rijksrecherche.

[Anna]

Investigation of the Police Force is not necessary
by A.M. Digital

Posted: Jul 9, 2005 18:10 UTC

ORANJESTAD - The Natalee Holloway case certainly has Aruba upside down. There is a lot of pressure on the Government and on the investigating team.

According to Eric Zaandam, president of the Police union SPA, it is unfortunate that the case has not yet been solved, but more unfortunate are the negative expressions towards the police force by amongst others the Minister of Justice, Rudy Croes, and by Prime Minister Nelson Oduber.

“This is to regretted because, instead of receiving support our own Government dignitaries express themselves negatively about the police” said Zaandam. “Minister Rudy Croes even mentioned that he will bring in a police team from Curaçao to investigate their colleagues in Aruba.”

Eric Zaandam wishes for the Minister of Justice to understand once and for all that the investigating team is responsible and has to report to the Public Prosecutor, and this happens all the time. The investigating team has no obligation to report to anybody else, including the Minister of Justice. The Minister may well bring any team from abroad but the Aruba Police Force will not report to any team.

Those that wish to have information will have to knock on the door at the Public Prosecutor’s office and not interrogate any member of the investigating team, according to the union leader. Minister Croes should not try to play the police forces of other islands against the Aruba police force.

SPA learned of the intentions of the Aruba Minister of Justice when they were in Surinam to commemorate 100 years of existence of the Surinam police force. Here they advised their colleague from the Netherlands Antilles not to fall in the trap of the Aruba Minister. SPA also contacted the Netherlands Antillean Police Union on the matter.

If the Aruba Minister of Justice wants information, he will have to approach the Public Prosecutor, and not accuse any member of the investigating team of leaking information. The investigating team did not commit any crime and an investigation is not necessary.

“The Aruba Police have already cooperated with all the teams that wished to help with the investigation of the disappearance of Natalee Holloway, except Scotland Yard” said Zaandam.

In police circles it is already agreed that they will not collaborate with any team that comes in to investigate the investigating team of the Natalee Holloway case.

http://news.caribseek.com/set-up/exec/view.cgi?archive=72&num=16771

[2NJSons_Mom]

'afternoon monks

Jen ~ Can you tell me if the Freebirds are still in existence, or has the entire group folded?

Also, do you and Kermit have additional information that you have not divulged regarding the cage?

Thanks, and if you cannot answer, I understand.

This is somewhat of a driveby, but I'll be back later today.
I've been studying in the Persistence thread. 

Hi memphis.

No - Freebirds have not folded.  There are still people there to protect what needs protecting.

I believe all of the high points surrounding the cage and its contents have been divulged - Kyle posted with us starting last March, so there are lots of posts from him.  Mostly peripheral stuff is all that's left, I believe.

But - as Monkeys start pointing out more and more things that could tie into other information Kyle gave us - I'm sure that will come forward as well.

KYLE KINGMAN - IN HIS OWN WORDS

Kyle: No one else has access or copies of the photos or footage. All fingers point back to me when this leaks.

'when this leaks'...yet, he protests...    

[texasmom]

Thanks caesu!

I found this in a front page post, I think Robert posted it.

http://translate.google.com/translate?u=http%3A%2F%2Fnl.wikipedia.org%2Fwiki%2FRijksrecherche&hl=nl&ie=UTF-8&sl=nl&tl=en

[caesu]

Beginning Holloway-case re-examined
7 Jan, 2009, 14:39 (GMT -04:00)

Oranjestad - Procureur-General Rob Pietersz has started a`fact-finding investigation' into the remarks which minister of justice did Rudy Croes made about the beginning phase of the investigation into the disappearance of Natalee Holloway. That confirmed Ann Angela of the Public Prosecution Service.

Beginning December told minister Croes in an interview that the Dutch head of investigation Jan van der Straten seriously impeded the research shortly after the disappearance of the American little girl in May 2005. In a conversation the minister told he heard Van der Straten say: 'This can I not do to my friend Paul'. Croes find it suspected that there then much telefoonverkeer were between Paul of of the ditch - the father of the suspected Joran - and head of investigaiton van der Straten. Van der Straten, shortly after Natalees disappearance further an inferior police force team will have used. That was the flexiteam; a team which is used during carnival, thus Croes. He gave to a retrial wants to the role of of of the streets and of of the ditch. The Dutch State Secretary Ank Bijleveld-Schouten (kingdom relations) required after the charge that minister Croes had examine if directly its declaration was correct.

Further statements are not made during the research, for the Angela have not already indicated. Just if the research has been wound up the results will be announced of it in main principles. It is now not yet in value when that will be.

http://www.amigoe.com/artman/publish/artikel_51237.php