Natalee Case Discussion #791 1/6/09 - 1/9/09

[caesu]

Brinkman on FOX TV, says Aruba corrupt as hell

Written by Samuel Allen   

Wednesday, 07 January 2009 21:46
www.sxmislandtime.com

PHILIPSBURG - Dutch Senator Hero Brinkman of the PVV party, painted the Netherlands Antilles black once again this time via a major North American TV network, FOX News.

Brinkman was interviewed by FOX News Greta van Susteren and the focus of the interview was Aruba and his impression of the Island in light of the Natalie Halloway disappearance and subsequent investigation.

These comments and charges by Brinkman, has served to ad further tension to the currently ongoing Tripartite Parliamentary talks on Aruba.

The meetings are scheduled to come to an end on Friday.

President of the Antillian Parliament Senator Pedro Attacho has maintained the position that Mr. Brinkman should place his charges at the footsteps of the office of the Public Prosecutor.

http://www.sxmislandtime.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=4615

[texasmom]

Any word from Kermit recently?

Nothing except that Janet is having an exclusive VIP party for Kermit in the Pond.I kid you Janet.

All Monkey are invited but ... the interrogation will not talk place at the heated pond at the back of the property ... the heated pond outlined with tiny Japanese lanterns.  The session will be held in Tamikosmom's home in the family room.  Picture it.  There will be a large conference table with Monkeys seated all around with ... Kermit at the head.

Kermit's Grandma's Shoefly pie will be in the oven warming but ... the frog will not be afforded a slice  until all questions are answered regarding the Persistence undertaking to the satisfaction of all Monkeys present ... Monkeys who will be partaking on Mr. Tamikosmom's sushi rolls ... carrot cake (Safeway Bakery) and ... Tim Horton's coffee.

Suggestions are welcome.

Janet

 

I have a suggestion, Tamik! Bring a sleeping bag because depending on who shows up, it's going to be a looooong party! 

Janet you are too funny.

Perhaps we should have Freebirds on DANA's show.
Make it a big conference call.

  

[truthseeker2]

Brinkman on FOX TV, says Aruba corrupt as hell

Written by Samuel Allen   

Wednesday, 07 January 2009 21:46
www.sxmislandtime.com

PHILIPSBURG - Dutch Senator Hero Brinkman of the PVV party, painted the Netherlands Antilles black once again this time via a major North American TV network, FOX News.

Brinkman was interviewed by FOX News Greta van Susteren and the focus of the interview was Aruba and his impression of the Island in light of the Natalie Halloway disappearance and subsequent investigation.

These comments and charges by Brinkman, has served to ad further tension to the currently ongoing Tripartite Parliamentary talks on Aruba.

The meetings are scheduled to come to an end on Friday.

President of the Antillian Parliament Senator Pedro Attacho has maintained the position that Mr. Brinkman should place his charges at the footsteps of the office of the Public Prosecutor.

http://www.sxmislandtime.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=4615

caesu,

Do you get the impression that any of the media outlets in the Netherlands are supportive of the push by Brinkman to solve Natalee's disappearance?

[blah]

Do we know for absolute certain that they didn't take anything?  If they did, would they admit it here?  Should we really be bashing them without all the facts?

Blah, No one from the Persistence that I am aware of posts here any more.  All we have is the word of young Kyle that they did not so much as touch any evidence from the trap.

That's the problem, not knowing.  Either they did or they didn't but Kyle says they didn't and his word is all we have for what happened.  So either way, we don't know who or what to believe.

And there is also the possibility that Natalee was not even in the trap.  It is unfortunate that this issue has been so clouded and blurred totally that we don't know anything except that according to Kyle, nothing was taken by anyone other than ALE.  Given their past history, this would be very unfortunate if true.

So who knows what was done?

From what I have seen, this is the most likely possibility

[blah]

LOL BTW, does Kermie smoke?

I do not smoke, however, some say I'm smok'n.

1-800-BABE for you bastibro.

 

[klaasend]

I see Kermit is working undercover again 

[caesu]

Brinkman on FOX TV, says Aruba corrupt as hell

Written by Samuel Allen   

Wednesday, 07 January 2009 21:46
www.sxmislandtime.com

PHILIPSBURG - Dutch Senator Hero Brinkman of the PVV party, painted the Netherlands Antilles black once again this time via a major North American TV network, FOX News.

Brinkman was interviewed by FOX News Greta van Susteren and the focus of the interview was Aruba and his impression of the Island in light of the Natalie Halloway disappearance and subsequent investigation.

These comments and charges by Brinkman, has served to ad further tension to the currently ongoing Tripartite Parliamentary talks on Aruba.

The meetings are scheduled to come to an end on Friday.

President of the Antillian Parliament Senator Pedro Attacho has maintained the position that Mr. Brinkman should place his charges at the footsteps of the office of the Public Prosecutor.

http://www.sxmislandtime.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=4615

caesu,

Do you get the impression that any of the media outlets in the Netherlands are supportive of the push by Brinkman to solve Natalee's disappearance?

i haven't gotten that impression yet.
the most there is some support to get rid of the corruption on the islands - or get rid of the islands altogether.

but there haven't been many (if any?) opinion pieces in the media about it this week, only news articles reporting on the insult throwing soap on Aruba.

this week the media is occupied with the cold wave / speed iceskating on the rivers and lakes at first and second the Israel/Gaza situation.
Aruba/Antilles is a headline near the bottom.

but i expect some more from Aruba before the end of the meetings on Aruba.
and next week Brinkman probably does his rounds on the Dutch talks shows.

[SS]

i found this one 

LOL

Yep that's me.

btw, his daughter Julie is very, very nice. Just a real sweet lady.

Kermit - an old friend was Pat Nixon's Secret Service Agent and Spiro's.  You must know each other.

[bastibro]

I see Kermit is working undercover again 

LOL She`s been busy lately 

[bastibro]

LOL BTW, does Kermie smoke?

I do not smoke, however, some say I'm smok'n.

1-800-BABE for you bastibro.

 

LOL . . Sorry Kermie, i`m to young for you

[Tamikosmom]

Do we know for absolute certain that they didn't take anything?  If they did, would they admit it here?  Should we really be bashing them without all the facts?

Blah, No one from the Persistence that I am aware of posts here any more.  All we have is the word of young Kyle that they did not so much as touch any evidence from the trap.

That's the problem, not knowing.  Either they did or they didn't but Kyle says they didn't and his word is all we have for what happened.  So either way, we don't know who or what to believe.

And there is also the possibility that Natalee was not even in the trap.  It is unfortunate that this issue has been so clouded and blurred totally that we don't know anything except that according to Kyle, nothing was taken by anyone other than ALE.  Given their past history, this would be very unfortunate if true.

So who knows what was done?

From what I have seen, this is the most likely possibility

Blah ... what have you seen.  Please share.

Considering Kyle Kingman's position on board the persistence and ... his field of expertise ... I do believe that he is the most qualified to make an professional anaylsis of the ROV images regarding the contents of that cage trap.

Janet

________


KYLE KINGMAN - HIS OWN WORDS

THE FABRIC

Kyle: We all know it wasn't a blouse, but I believe they were sent some piece of fabric other than the fabric found inside the trap.

Kyle: The portion of the discolored blue fabric was presumably on the bottom of the fabric. In my opinion this discoloration is not another type of fabric, but rather biological staining or discoloration from biological growth caused from a high organic carbon content and decay. Basically, during decay a biological mat will form around the organics from remains. This is what I believe it is on the bottom of the fabric.

Kyle: It was confirmed by the FBI that they received a fabric sample send by Richardson and that it wasn't a match to Natalee's blouse. I think the video can prove or disprove whatever the FBI was sent was the same object or not. I strongly believe it's blue denim. Everyone I show thinks the same thing without being prompted (including senior ABC execs).

Kyle: Notice the end of the skirt is an identical match to the 90 degree angle in the sand. I believe her left arm was outstretched with her legs slightly bent. I did not edit the legs. I believe the tarp was placed over her and tucked around her, or perhaps tied down. I believe there are several rocks laying on the sand which were placed on the tarp, or inside the tarp over her body which explains their unusual location. Either way, the proportions appear promising.

Kyle: I took the proportions of the body form from the head, to shoulder, to a 90 degree angle which I believed to be the hem line of Natalee's skirt. I then took those proportions and matched them to the photo of Natalee with what she was last seen wearing. The proportions matched within an inch from head, to shoulder, to skirt line. Based on this comparison and with what we believed we saw in the Dec 29th video, Tim Miller contacted the family and told them the 99.9% comment. I told Tim not to do anything until we have forensic results back after the site is processed. Jan 7th we sampled the contents and in my opinion we found the skirt under the sand along with the other items The blue fabric was found right where the skirt is pictured. If it isn't her, it will forever haunt me as a major cosmic WTF.

Kyle:  In my opinion that last pic from Jan 7th should be absolutely intriguing and flip your mind from what you thought you knew. In case it isn't clear.. notice the blue denim-like fabric.

Kyle:  Notice the blue fabric swayed in the current

Kyle: The blue tarp piece was found approx 6-10 ft away from the trap opening.  The blue tarp and blue fabric was confirmed by Richardson AND Hans Mos.

Kyle: Remember, they each only confirmed one piece. One confirmed blue fabric, the other confirmed tarp. From the video you see both.

Kyle: "The most likely to remain at or near it's original location was the skull, which is why I was so convinced the object pictured was a skull."

++++++

REMINDER:

Kb]Kyle Kingman’s Summary[/b]

Kyle Kingman’s Specialties:

Project Management, Sonar Acquisition, hydrographic survey, data processing, remote sensing data analysis

http://www.linkedin.com/pub/b/65/464

++++++++

THE ROV IMAGES

Kermit
Re: Natalee Case Discussion #778 11/23/08 -
« Reply #408 on: November 24, 2008, 03:59:08 PM »

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4173.msg555618#msg555618
 
 
Kermit
Re: Natalee Case Discussion #778 11/23/08 -
« Reply #410 on: November 24, 2008, 04:01:55 PM »

Photos given to the FBI sent to Dave and Robin posted on the internet are NOT the
photos posted above.  These were not given to the FBI until recently.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4173.msg555621#msg555621

[Keepthefaith]

It is now 7pm in Aruba on day 4 of the Major player arrest week!We have one day left.Suspense filled Friday!

KEEPTHEFAITH

[blah]

Do we know for absolute certain that they didn't take anything?  If they did, would they admit it here?  Should we really be bashing them without all the facts?

Blah, No one from the Persistence that I am aware of posts here any more.  All we have is the word of young Kyle that they did not so much as touch any evidence from the trap.

That's the problem, not knowing.  Either they did or they didn't but Kyle says they didn't and his word is all we have for what happened.  So either way, we don't know who or what to believe.

And there is also the possibility that Natalee was not even in the trap.  It is unfortunate that this issue has been so clouded and blurred totally that we don't know anything except that according to Kyle, nothing was taken by anyone other than ALE.  Given their past history, this would be very unfortunate if true.

So who knows what was done?

From what I have seen, this is the most likely possibility

Blah ... what have you seen.  Please share.

Considering Kyle Kingman's position on board the persistence and ... his field of expertise ... I do believe that he is the most qualified to make an professional anaylsis of the ROV images regarding the contents of that cage trap.

Janet

________


KYLE KINGMAN - HIS OWN WORDS

THE FABRIC

Kyle: We all know it wasn't a blouse, but I believe they were sent some piece of fabric other than the fabric found inside the trap.

Kyle: The portion of the discolored blue fabric was presumably on the bottom of the fabric. In my opinion this discoloration is not another type of fabric, but rather biological staining or discoloration from biological growth caused from a high organic carbon content and decay. Basically, during decay a biological mat will form around the organics from remains. This is what I believe it is on the bottom of the fabric.

Kyle: It was confirmed by the FBI that they received a fabric sample send by Richardson and that it wasn't a match to Natalee's blouse. I think the video can prove or disprove whatever the FBI was sent was the same object or not. I strongly believe it's blue denim. Everyone I show thinks the same thing without being prompted (including senior ABC execs).

Kyle: Notice the end of the skirt is an identical match to the 90 degree angle in the sand. I believe her left arm was outstretched with her legs slightly bent. I did not edit the legs. I believe the tarp was placed over her and tucked around her, or perhaps tied down. I believe there are several rocks laying on the sand which were placed on the tarp, or inside the tarp over her body which explains their unusual location. Either way, the proportions appear promising.

Kyle: I took the proportions of the body form from the head, to shoulder, to a 90 degree angle which I believed to be the hem line of Natalee's skirt. I then took those proportions and matched them to the photo of Natalee with what she was last seen wearing. The proportions matched within an inch from head, to shoulder, to skirt line. Based on this comparison and with what we believed we saw in the Dec 29th video, Tim Miller contacted the family and told them the 99.9% comment. I told Tim not to do anything until we have forensic results back after the site is processed. Jan 7th we sampled the contents and in my opinion we found the skirt under the sand along with the other items The blue fabric was found right where the skirt is pictured. If it isn't her, it will forever haunt me as a major cosmic WTF.

Kyle:  In my opinion that last pic from Jan 7th should be absolutely intriguing and flip your mind from what you thought you knew. In case it isn't clear.. notice the blue denim-like fabric.

Kyle:  Notice the blue fabric swayed in the current

Kyle: The blue tarp piece was found approx 6-10 ft away from the trap opening.  The blue tarp and blue fabric was confirmed by Richardson AND Hans Mos.

Kyle: Remember, they each only confirmed one piece. One confirmed blue fabric, the other confirmed tarp. From the video you see both.

Kyle: "The most likely to remain at or near it's original location was the skull, which is why I was so convinced the object pictured was a skull."

++++++

REMINDER:

Kb]Kyle Kingman’s Summary[/b]

Kyle Kingman’s Specialties:

Project Management, Sonar Acquisition, hydrographic survey, data processing, remote sensing data analysis

http://www.linkedin.com/pub/b/65/464

++++++++

THE ROV IMAGES

Kermit
Re: Natalee Case Discussion #778 11/23/08 -
« Reply #408 on: November 24, 2008, 03:59:08 PM »

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4173.msg555618#msg555618
 
 
Kermit
Re: Natalee Case Discussion #778 11/23/08 -
« Reply #410 on: November 24, 2008, 04:01:55 PM »

Photos given to the FBI sent to Dave and Robin posted on the internet are NOT the
photos posted above.  These were not given to the FBI until recently.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4173.msg555621#msg555621

Janet, just everything that has been posted here

[Tamikosmom]

I see Kermit is working undercover again 

Tamikosmom is somewhere in that casino.  I cannot reveal my undercover disguise.  I can only tell you that I had to think up a response real quick when Joran offered to set me up as a dancer to entertain in Aruban establishments.

 

Janet

[bastibro]

Look who I hooked up with thanks to your phone # lead . .



I couldn`t thank you more Kermie . .

[truthseeker2]

caesu,

Do you get the impression that any of the media outlets in the Netherlands are supportive of the push by Brinkman to solve Natalee's disappearance?

i haven't gotten that impression yet.
the most there is some support to get rid of the corruption on the islands - or get rid of the islands altogether.

but there haven't been many (if any?) opinion pieces in the media about it this week, only news articles reporting on the insult throwing soap on Aruba.

this week the media is occupied with the cold wave / speed iceskating on the rivers and lakes at first and second the Israel/Gaza situation.
Aruba/Antilles is a headline near the bottom.

but i expect some more from Aruba before the end of the meetings on Aruba.
and next week Brinkman probably does his rounds on the Dutch talks shows.

Thanks, caesu.  I watch for your updates because I like to see how this is playing in the Netherlands. I guess the news hasn't been quite big enough to warrant jumping ahead of the other topics. 

[Tamikosmom]

Do we know for absolute certain that they didn't take anything?  If they did, would they admit it here?  Should we really be bashing them without all the facts?

Blah, No one from the Persistence that I am aware of posts here any more.  All we have is the word of young Kyle that they did not so much as touch any evidence from the trap.

That's the problem, not knowing.  Either they did or they didn't but Kyle says they didn't and his word is all we have for what happened.  So either way, we don't know who or what to believe.

And there is also the possibility that Natalee was not even in the trap.  It is unfortunate that this issue has been so clouded and blurred totally that we don't know anything except that according to Kyle, nothing was taken by anyone other than ALE.  Given their past history, this would be very unfortunate if true.

So who knows what was done?

From what I have seen, this is the most likely possibility

Blah ... what have you seen.  Please share.

Considering Kyle Kingman's position on board the persistence and ... his field of expertise ... I do believe that he is the most qualified to make an professional anaylsis of the ROV images regarding the contents of that cage trap.

Janet

________


KYLE KINGMAN - HIS OWN WORDS

THE FABRIC

Kyle: We all know it wasn't a blouse, but I believe they were sent some piece of fabric other than the fabric found inside the trap.

Kyle: The portion of the discolored blue fabric was presumably on the bottom of the fabric. In my opinion this discoloration is not another type of fabric, but rather biological staining or discoloration from biological growth caused from a high organic carbon content and decay. Basically, during decay a biological mat will form around the organics from remains. This is what I believe it is on the bottom of the fabric.

Kyle: It was confirmed by the FBI that they received a fabric sample send by Richardson and that it wasn't a match to Natalee's blouse. I think the video can prove or disprove whatever the FBI was sent was the same object or not. I strongly believe it's blue denim. Everyone I show thinks the same thing without being prompted (including senior ABC execs).

Kyle: Notice the end of the skirt is an identical match to the 90 degree angle in the sand. I believe her left arm was outstretched with her legs slightly bent. I did not edit the legs. I believe the tarp was placed over her and tucked around her, or perhaps tied down. I believe there are several rocks laying on the sand which were placed on the tarp, or inside the tarp over her body which explains their unusual location. Either way, the proportions appear promising.

Kyle: I took the proportions of the body form from the head, to shoulder, to a 90 degree angle which I believed to be the hem line of Natalee's skirt. I then took those proportions and matched them to the photo of Natalee with what she was last seen wearing. The proportions matched within an inch from head, to shoulder, to skirt line. Based on this comparison and with what we believed we saw in the Dec 29th video, Tim Miller contacted the family and told them the 99.9% comment. I told Tim not to do anything until we have forensic results back after the site is processed. Jan 7th we sampled the contents and in my opinion we found the skirt under the sand along with the other items The blue fabric was found right where the skirt is pictured. If it isn't her, it will forever haunt me as a major cosmic WTF.

Kyle:  In my opinion that last pic from Jan 7th should be absolutely intriguing and flip your mind from what you thought you knew. In case it isn't clear.. notice the blue denim-like fabric.

Kyle:  Notice the blue fabric swayed in the current

Kyle: The blue tarp piece was found approx 6-10 ft away from the trap opening.  The blue tarp and blue fabric was confirmed by Richardson AND Hans Mos.

Kyle: Remember, they each only confirmed one piece. One confirmed blue fabric, the other confirmed tarp. From the video you see both.

Kyle: "The most likely to remain at or near it's original location was the skull, which is why I was so convinced the object pictured was a skull."

++++++

REMINDER:

Kb]Kyle Kingman’s Summary[/b]

Kyle Kingman’s Specialties:

Project Management, Sonar Acquisition, hydrographic survey, data processing, remote sensing data analysis

http://www.linkedin.com/pub/b/65/464

++++++++

THE ROV IMAGES

Kermit
Re: Natalee Case Discussion #778 11/23/08 -
« Reply #408 on: November 24, 2008, 03:59:08 PM »

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4173.msg555618#msg555618
 
 
Kermit
Re: Natalee Case Discussion #778 11/23/08 -
« Reply #410 on: November 24, 2008, 04:01:55 PM »

Photos given to the FBI sent to Dave and Robin posted on the internet are NOT the
photos posted above.  These were not given to the FBI until recently.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4173.msg555621#msg555621

Janet, just everything that has been posted here

Blah ... I sincerely want to know what convinced you that Natalee Holloway's remains were not in that cage/trap.

Do you believe that Kyle Kingman fabricated a story in his posts to the Natalee's Freebirds and Scared Monkey's site ... posts that imply that the Persistence undertaking was never about justice for Natalee Holloway but ... about the self-serving motives of John Silvetti.

Janet

[Blue Moon]

Look who I hooked up with thanks to your phone # lead . .



I couldn`t thank you more Kermie . .

You are BAD !

[bastibro]

Look who I hooked up with thanks to your phone # lead . .



I couldn`t thank you more Kermie . .

You are BAD !

Thank you Blue Moon 

[blah]

Blah ... I sincerely want to know what convinced you that Natalee Holloway's remains were not in that cage/trap.

Do you believe that Kyle Kingman fabricated a story in his posts to the Natalee's Freebirds and Scared Monkey's site ... posts that imply that the Persistence undertaking was never about justice for Natalee Holloway but ... about the self-serving motives of John Silvetti.

Janet

Janet, please notice I said most likely, not convinced