Natalee Case Discussion #791 1/6/09 - 1/9/09

[hotping]

http://gretawire.foxnews.com/2009/01/09/corrupt-as-hell/
“Corrupt as hell”
by Greta Van Susteren
On Tuesday night, on  ON THE RECORD at 10pm, Hero Brinkman, a Member of the Dutch Parliament, said that both Aruba and the investigation of Natalee Holloway is “corrupt as hell.”  I received this letter in response (I guess Member of the Dutch Parliament Hero Brinkman hit a nerve):

Did anyone see this comment on Greta's blog following the above letter 

Comment by charlie ratcliff
January 9th, 2009 at 9:55 am
Greta, you want to give yourself credit for “hitting a nerve.” Why? I read the letter that you received and, to me, it looks more like the Crown representative on Aruba is distancing the legitimate Dutch government from that whack-job Hero Brinkman by clarifying that Brinkman’s remarks do not reflect the official policy of the government.

To EJ: Sorry that you feel the way you do about Aruba as a vacation destination. I have to suspect that you have been the victim of mis-information. The fact is, Aruba is a wonderful vacation destination with a predictably perfect climate; fantastic beaches; first class hotels, restaurants, shopping, etc.; a well developed island infrastructure; a high standard of living, and, yes, an enviably low crime rate.

 

[caesu]

http://gretawire.foxnews.com/2009/01/09/corrupt-as-hell/
“Corrupt as hell”
by Greta Van Susteren
On Tuesday night, on  ON THE RECORD at 10pm, Hero Brinkman, a Member of the Dutch Parliament, said that both Aruba and the investigation of Natalee Holloway is “corrupt as hell.”  I received this letter in response (I guess Member of the Dutch Parliament Hero Brinkman hit a nerve):

'Corrupt' claims annoy MPs on Aruba

Friday 09 January 2009

Dutch MPs currently involved in half-yearly talks on Aruba have formally distanced themselves from Hero Brinkman, MP of the hardline anti-immigration party PVV, who has repeatedly said the Caribbean island's administration is as 'corrupt as hell'.

His remarks have led to angry reactions and held up discussions on several occasions.

'Brinkman should be left to stew in his own juice,' GroenLinks MP Ineke van Gent told news agency ANP.

http://www.dutchnews.nl/news/archives/2009/01/corrupt_claims_annoy_mps_on_ar.php

Dutch MPs, holding talks in Aruba with their counterparts from the Netherlands Antilles and Aruba, have distanced themselves from comments made by one of their delegation. Hero Brinkman, of the right-wing Freedom Party, and one of the Dutch MPs in Aruba, this week again described the administrations of the Netherlands Antilles and Aruba as corrupt. His fellow Dutch delegates have now issued a statement stressing they do not share his views.

http://www.radionetherlands.nl/news/zijlijn/6127640/Dutch-MPs-slam-colleagues-remarks-in-Caribbean

[nimrod]

GOOD NIGHT MONKEYS!!!  GOOD NIGHT ZOOKEEPERS!!!

Janet
9:00 PM PT


 

Goodnight Janet.Another post taking us back to why we're here would be Frogtastic!

klassend
Re: Natalee Case Discussion #787 12/24/08 -
« Reply #411 on: December 30, 2008, 06:53:44 PM »

Sent to me by Natalee's Freebirds:

Please feel free (if you'd like) to post this at your board.
 
During the journey of the Persistence to Aruba, Kyle reached out and emailed with us.  During that time, one of the questions posed to him was regarding protocol if/when Natalee's remains were found.
 
Kyle's response was that he was unsure, but felt that would be settled before the search began.
 
The cautions were given to him about the lack of integrity on the part of Aruba's law enforcement, prosecutor's office, and its judiciary.
 
Contact with Kyle continued throughout the duration of the search by the Persistence.
 
Once back home, Kyle asked us for our help.  He was very concerned about the activities that transpired during their search - specifically surrounding the find of the fishing cage and its contents.  Kyle wanted our help in presenting this information in a factual way, to then be given to Natalee's family. 
 
This was March 18, 2008.  At that time, Kyle assured us he had just recently sent the images from the Dec 30th and Jan 7th dives to the FBI, but had never received a response from them.
 
We later found that to be false.
 
Also at that time, Beth's brother saw the images Kyle had shared with us - but none of the detail he shared later.

We compiled the images Kyle presented us, along with his opinions and the facts surrounding the sequence of events regarding that fishing cage.  Kyle stated he would be getting in touch with Beth Holloway.
 
We later found out that never happened.

At this time, Kyle shared with us the broadcast networks he had approached in February, in an attempt to sell these images to the highest bidder.
 
This didn't concern us greatly at that time - as we were under the impression US law enforcement and Natalee's family had already been made aware of their find.
 
Approximately May 2008 Kyle began dodging questions for details (we had asked for names of Aruban police and divers to be included in our documentation of these events), hedging on moving forward with this, and then he completely disappeared from our board.
 
During that time, we learned Kyle had never contacted Beth, or Dave, or the FBI with this information.
 
We put our original plan into motion - that of presenting this information in a clear and concise manner, and we sent it to Beth Holloway.
 
Beth was disturbed, needed time to digest the information, and wanted to share it with someone she trusts.
 
When Tim Miller was returning to Aruba this past fall, Beth gave us permission to release this information publicly.
 
At that point, we gave it to John Kelly, Carmen Adams with the FBI, and got it ready for public consumption.
 
The next step was to publish this information at our blog.
 
One of our members felt we were betraying Kyle in doing so, contacted him, and he re-surfaced at our site with threats of litigation against us - stating this was his "intellectual property" and we could not use it.
 
That of course concerned us greatly - as none of us could afford to be sued.
 
He also stated at that time, Luis Shaefer had just recently sold the rights of the video of these images to a broadcast company for the purposes of a documentary.
 
We contacted legal counsel and were advised to keep our distance from any Persistence crew member, in the face of potential obstruction/accessory charges.
 
At this point, one of our members decided to brace for the possibility of civil litigation, resigned from our membership to protect it from same, and posted what he knows to be factual at SM.
 
Kyle did tell us human remains were found in that fish cage.
 
Kyle did tell us about John Silvetti's intent to open an office on the island of Aruba, to enable him ease in conducting business in South America, and Aruba.
 
Kyle also told us of John's absolute refusal to give that fish cage and its contents any credence - before even it was inspected on Jan 7th.
 
Kyle told us in no uncertain terms that Tim Miller and Dateline were abruptly removed from the Persistence on Dec 30, resulting in only Persistence crew being aboard between that date and the Jan 7 dive of the Arubans.
 
Nothing that was posted at SM by kermit was incorrect, out of context, or in any way false.
 
Regards,
 
Former Natalee's Freebirds Administrator

Natalee and her family deserve justice - and we will not let up until they have it!
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4269.msg603349#msg603349

JUSTICE FOR NATALEE

1. Actually, I believe the Freebirds contacted Kyle first and it was about the time the search was over.
2. The last thing I heard was that Beth didn't want the Freebirds to release any negative comments about the Persistence.
3. Actually Kyle said he "thought" they were human remains. Afterall, he only had the same photos that we all were looking at, so it was Kyle's opinion only.
4. We have never heard Tim Miller's side of when and why he left the Persistence. I received a very nice thank you letter from Tim for my donation to the Persistence's search for Natalee a couple of weeks after Tim "abruptly" left.
5. I think Kermit's words are all out of context. It reminds me of the same liberal tactics that were used to remove a republican president from office.  lol

[LilPuma]

Has anyone talked to Beth lately?  How is she?  What's she doing?  I hope she and Matt are happy and healthy. 

[crazybabyborg]

Just checking in to see what major player has been arrested...............

Oh, not yet? Gee, must be any minute now!

[jen3560]

Awww.  Poor nimrod.

Someone new to try and twist the facts?

search for Natalee
Tuesday, December 11, 2007 8:59 PM
From: This sender is DomainKeys verified"Kyle Kingman" <edit>
To: freebirdsjustice(edit)
-----Inline Attachment Follows-----

Greetings, I came across your site and thought you'd might be interested in following along with the search.  I'm the geophysical engineer on board the Persistence and author of the ship's blog which chronicles the search effort.  http://nholloway.blogspot.com Regards,
--
Kyle Kingman
------------------------------

And I wonder if maybe, just maybe - Kyle was looking at the VIDEO from the ROV?  Not just the stills he shared with Natalee's Freebirds?

[klaasend]

Has anyone talked to Beth lately?  How is she?  What's she doing?  I hope she and Matt are happy and healthy. 

Red speaks with Beth frequently.  Last time he told me that Beth was doing well and was as determined as ever. 

[klaasend]

Awww.  Poor nimrod.

Someone new to try and twist the facts?

search for Natalee
Tuesday, December 11, 2007 8:59 PM
From: This sender is DomainKeys verified"Kyle Kingman" <edit>
To: freebirdsjustice(edit)
-----Inline Attachment Follows-----

Greetings, I came across your site and thought you'd might be interested in following along with the search.  I'm the geophysical engineer on board the Persistence and author of the ship's blog which chronicles the search effort.  http://nholloway.blogspot.com Regards,
--
Kyle Kingman
------------------------------

And I wonder if maybe, just maybe - Kyle was looking at the VIDEO from the ROV?  Not just the stills he shared with Natalee's Freebirds?

Thanks Jen

[jen3560]

Has anyone talked to Beth lately?  How is she?  What's she doing?  I hope she and Matt are happy and healthy. 

Red speaks with Beth frequently.  Last time he told me that Beth was doing well and was as determined as ever. 

klaas - after posting, I remembered reading something here about posting emails.

I apologize - and if you need to remove addresses from that, please do so.
Thank you!

[LilPuma]

Glad to hear it.  I'm sure she knows our prayers are still with her. 

[caesu]

Brinkman thrown out of delegation this morning.
is asked to leave Aruban parliament premises.

http://www.telegraaf.nl/binnenland/2966861/__Brinkman_uit_delegatie_gezet__.html?p=2,1

[klaasend]

Has anyone talked to Beth lately?  How is she?  What's she doing?  I hope she and Matt are happy and healthy. 

Red speaks with Beth frequently.  Last time he told me that Beth was doing well and was as determined as ever. 

klaas - after posting, I remembered reading something here about posting emails.

I apologize - and if you need to remove addresses from that, please do so.
Thank you!

I edited out the email addresses but the email itself isn't of a personal nature, it's a request by Kyle to share information with Freebirds.  Nothing secret or private about that.  Kyle isn't shy about joining sites, he's a member at numerious sites private or otherwise.

[klaasend]

Brinkman thrown out of delegation this morning.
is asked to leave Aruban parliament premises.

http://www.telegraaf.nl/binnenland/2966861/__Brinkman_uit_delegatie_gezet__.html?p=2,1

Guess they don't like him much in Aruba? 

[Tamikosmom]

Hotshot

I sincerely desire to know how you, Lou, Iris and other Monkeys who have been staunch supporters of the family's contention that an Aruban coverup has preventing justice from prevailing for Natalee from the getgo ... can defend Kyle Kingman's actions or ... lack of action..

Hotshot ... if Kyle had exposed to the FBI all that he has shared on the Natalee's Freebirds' and the Scared Monkey sites IMMEDIATELY upon arriving on American soil ... maybe ... just maybe pressure could have been brought upon the Aruban "powers that be" to reveal the contents of that cage/trap ... contents that were retrived by the enemy unchallenged by John Silvetti ... contents that Kyle believe could be the remains of Natalee Holloway.

Hotshot ... Kyle's lack of action makes me sooo angry.  It was such a moral betrayal to the family of Natalee Holloway.  They deserve so much more.

Think about.  Would you be defending Kyle Kingman lack of action and John Silvetti's actions if Natalee Holloway was your loved one?

Janet

 

You are misunderstanding me.  I DO NOT BELIEVE KYLE!!!  I think he is a goof and is either stretching the truth or making up stories for reasons of his own (most likely to try to make money).  I am not defending him.  I also didn't say ALL the smart monkeys left.  I have noticed that some very interesting monkeys are not saying much lately.  No bash intended to the rest of the smart monkeys.  I just flat out don't believe there was a Persistence conspiracy or DeVries would be all over it by now.

Iris ... this is where you and I differ.  I believe Kyle Kingsman 100%.  This does not mean you are bashing me or ... that I am bashing you.

I had a sinking feeling that the outcome of the Persistence undertaking would not further the cause of justice for Natalee Holloway and ... bring any closure to her family ... when Kyle submitted the following posts SM site.

Think about it.  The Persistence undertaking was a joint venture between John Silvetti and the enemy ... the enemy who had been prevented justice from prevailing for an eighteen year old American citizen from the getgo.

I am one with private eye ...

Janet 

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oceanexploration
Re: Natalee Case Discussion #715 1/25 -
« Reply #103 on: January 26, 2008, 12:38:25 PM »

Thought you all may find this interesting if you're willing to accept it-

To date, the Aruban police and dive team has been a tremendous help. They've honestly done a great job. Over the last month we've established a very good working relationship based on openness and trust. Most of the relationship success was due to getting the media out of the way and working together shoulder to shoulder over time. We've helped each other however and whenever we can. They've treated us with decency and respect and we have treated them as friends and allies, which they are. Most of the police and divers are new since this case started and both eager and careful to do things right. I wish we had a month ahead of the project just to establish the relationships and trust. I know many of you would likely doubt this view, but it's based on the experiences in the field of the entire search team. I too was extremely worried, paranoid, and suspecting in the beginning. Now, it's clear we're all working towards a common goal.
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2539.msg332457;topicseen#msg332457


MARCH 19, 2008

oceanexploration
Re: Natalee Case Discussion #744 3/19 -
« Reply #201 on: March 19, 2008, 08:21:47 PM »

We had little option other than to have the Aruban dive division recover the samples and bring them back under their care. Remember we are Americans working in Aruban waters, subject to their laws, invitation, and blessing. Our hands are tied for the most part. I personally was extremely uncomfortable with the chain of custody, being that we weren't a part of it, but I was powerless to do anything about it. The samples were photographed in detail by one Aruban diver and the other two investigated the contents of the trap, the dimensions, the rigging, and what surrounded the trap. From the video, it looked like they did a diligent and careful job with the samples and the underwater photography. I don't know who has these pictures, but I must assume ALE.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2721.msg366857;topicseen#msg366857


PRIVATE EYE

private eye
Re: Natalee Case Discussion #746 4/4
« Reply #499 on: April 09, 2008, 12:39:50 AM »

If I understood Kyle correctly, and that would be that the Arubans retrieved and possessed all finds, not sharing anything with the crew, then that effort was a waste of time and effort. The only thing it could have accomplished was to locate additional evidence for the Arubans to destroy. I am not sure if that was the protocol out of Aruba's waters though. The effort was superb, but the game was fixed.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2769.msg372245;topicseen#msg372245


private eye
 Discussion #742 3/10 -
« Reply #686 on: March 13, 2008, 06:38:07 PM »

... But sharing information with people who work for people who are directly orchestrating the cover up, Rudy, or the Dutch, is the most irresponsible investigating I can imagine. What kills this investigation is people having to come into it, wanting to apply basic investigatory protocols into place, and then having those channels sabotage the new evidence that the new players discover. Of course, as is happened everytime in this case, the new people eventually come to a point where the manipulation of the evidence is undeniable, but by then the fruits of their work are gone, and there is simply another member of the believers of the cover up group. What I pray that Kyle and the crew of the Persistence will determine, is that  regardless of how hard working the man that they are working with appears to work, his work belongs to Rudy, and Rudy belongs to the local dutch.

We are not hysterical, ignorant, paranoid people. We have seen the cover up in action, in broad daylight, with impunity, and if you disregard our warnings, you will become the next chump in a series of chumps, no matter how sophisticated your equipment, the level of your educational achievement, or the extent of your job skills and work history.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2689.msg364750#msg364750

[nimrod]

Awww.  Poor nimrod.

Someone new to try and twist the facts?

search for Natalee
Tuesday, December 11, 2007 8:59 PM
From: This sender is DomainKeys verified"Kyle Kingman" <edit>
To: freebirdsjustice(edit)
-----Inline Attachment Follows-----

Greetings, I came across your site and thought you'd might be interested in following along with the search.  I'm the geophysical engineer on board the Persistence and author of the ship's blog which chronicles the search effort.  http://nholloway.blogspot.com Regards,
--
Kyle Kingman
------------------------------

And I wonder if maybe, just maybe - Kyle was looking at the VIDEO from the ROV?  Not just the stills he shared with Natalee's Freebirds?

Thank you for setting me straight, Jen.

[jen3560]

Has anyone talked to Beth lately?  How is she?  What's she doing?  I hope she and Matt are happy and healthy. 

Red speaks with Beth frequently.  Last time he told me that Beth was doing well and was as determined as ever. 

klaas - after posting, I remembered reading something here about posting emails.

I apologize - and if you need to remove addresses from that, please do so.
Thank you!

I edited out the email addresses but the email itself isn't of a personal nature, it's a request by Kyle to share information with Freebirds.  Nothing secret or private about that.  Kyle isn't shy about joining sites, he's a member at numerious sites private or otherwise.

Thank you klaas

[jen3560]

Awww.  Poor nimrod.

Someone new to try and twist the facts?

search for Natalee
Tuesday, December 11, 2007 8:59 PM
From: This sender is DomainKeys verified"Kyle Kingman" <edit>
To: freebirdsjustice(edit)
-----Inline Attachment Follows-----

Greetings, I came across your site and thought you'd might be interested in following along with the search.  I'm the geophysical engineer on board the Persistence and author of the ship's blog which chronicles the search effort.  http://nholloway.blogspot.com Regards,
--
Kyle Kingman
------------------------------

And I wonder if maybe, just maybe - Kyle was looking at the VIDEO from the ROV?  Not just the stills he shared with Natalee's Freebirds?

Thank you for setting me straight, Jen.

You're welcome, nimrod.

[crazybabyborg]

Brinkman thrown out of delegation this morning.
is asked to leave Aruban parliament premises.

http://www.telegraaf.nl/binnenland/2966861/__Brinkman_uit_delegatie_gezet__.html?p=2,1

Guess they don't like him much in Aruba? 

I wish they could manage to get that riled up over an 18 year old that was on their happy island for 3 days and was never seen again.

[Keepthefaith]

Friday.Day 5 and the final day in the Major player arrest week!It's 1:00pm in Aruba and still no arrest.Would we consider Hero Brinkman a consolation Victory for CapsLockWizard if he was to be arrested?We have 11 hrs left until arrest week is over.The suspense is getting greater for me as we speak.I've started my first cup of coffee,ate my 2 pieces of toast,and am now headed to open up shop for the day!I've killed a crow,as well as dug a hole in the sand to put my head in "IF" the Major player is arrested!Thanx for staying tuned in.In no way does this convey the expressed written consent of Scared Monkey's.This is all Just my opinion.And we know about opinions?

KEEPTHEFAITH

[Keepthefaith]

Gooooooood Morning Monkey's!What a beautiful day it is indeed!