Natalee Case Discussion #792 1/9/09 - 1/13/09

[wreck]

Iris if you had any idea who private eye is  you would not question their posts, not blaming you for you can't know but for once.........trust that this person has more information than any of us might ever have.

Tib, I heard from a birdie that Caps might be Dompig 


 

I would believe about anything these days! (Actually, that makes a lot of sense! -- I was beginning to suspect that Caps = Jossy --"Capslock Wizard" is an old term for newspaper guys)

[sharon]

Iris if you had any idea who private eye is  you would not question their posts, not blaming you for you can't know but for once.........trust that this person has more information than any of us might ever have.

Tib, I heard from a birdie that Caps might be Dompig 


 

 

I don't think our posting schedules have coincided in a long time. Work is NOT all that it's crakced up to be. 

To you and yours -all my best for a beautiful 2009. I watch those college scores 

And thanks 

AVOID ARUBA AS IF YOUR LIFE DEPENDS ON IT.....IT DOES!!!
Justice for Natalee Holloway
Peace for her loved ones

[sharon]

Well, yes.  Kyle said it and you quoted it.  The FBI said that the fabric did not match Natalee's BLOUSE.  Not hermit crabs.  Not plastic.  FABRIC.  Retrieved from the cage.

Nahhhh! Chocolate, cleaning fluid and donkey bones. Maybe a few chicken wings. 


wingnut! the 'Friday' cow  Had me reminiscing about 'old times'. 
{{{hugs}}}



Thanks for all your kind words for my family, Monkeys.
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[sharon]

(snipped)

At this point I hate to even point this out, but Private Eye is relying on Kyle's statements, so the fact that Private Eye thinks "the game is fixed" based on Kyle's statements doesn't prove anything.  I'm not trying to disagree with you, I'm just pointing out the flaws in the logic here. (Sorry, I can't help but notice these things because I am trained this way from my work).

If you want flaws in logic - try Caps version of logic.  His logic changed every time he read contradictory posts here.
(Trained in logic and common sense also for my work)

I have never seen anything quite like it.  Very unique.  My personal fav was Yellow Hammer = Yellow Hummer!  Interesting to say the least.

For an arugment to be considered 'logical', you MUST begin with a valid premise.

Just saying.

And yes -- I do have significant education and experience with Logic and Scientific methods.

 

Yes, Anna. That was amongst my fav's as well.

Tibro!! Long time -- no see.
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[Blue Moon]

Iris if you had any idea who private eye is  you would not question their posts, not blaming you for you can't know but for once.........trust that this person has more information than any of us might ever have.

Tib, I heard from a birdie that Caps might be Dompig 


 

Wouldn't that be a hoot, but I have wondered if he could be Dompig myself.

[Anna]

Iris if you had any idea who private eye is  you would not question their posts, not blaming you for you can't know but for once.........trust that this person has more information than any of us might ever have.

Tib, I heard from a birdie that Caps might be Dompig 


 

Wouldn't that be a hoot, but I have wondered if he could be Dompig myself.

But surely, Dompig would have known more about the case.  For example who "the Twitty" was and what he was to Natalee.

Then again, could have all been a ruse to fool us.  Don't think it was Jossy despite the moniker for old time type setters.  Someone from the "Anybody But Joran" club maybe Dompig, jr.  Or group of the pimps with varying language skills.

Remember KBM I think it was?  He seemed chatty enough. 

Guess it could have been any number of people.  Perhaps he shall return and clarify the failure of the arrest of a major player to take place?

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[wreck]

Iris if you had any idea who private eye is  you would not question their posts, not blaming you for you can't know but for once.........trust that this person has more information than any of us might ever have.

Tib, I heard from a birdie that Caps might be Dompig 


 

Wouldn't that be a hoot, but I have wondered if he could be Dompig myself.

But surely, Dompig would have known more about the case.  For example who "the Twitty" was and what he was to Natalee.

Then again, could have all been a ruse to fool us.  Don't think it was Jossy despite the moniker for old time type setters.  Someone from the "Anybody But Joran" club maybe Dompig, jr.  Or group of the pimps with varying language skills.

Remember KBM I think it was?  He seemed chatty enough. 

Guess it could have been any number of people.  Perhaps he shall return and clarify the failure of the arrest of a major player to take place?

.

I lean towards "ruse" because of the "language" descrepancies.

[texasmom]

Good morning monkeys!

Sharon, I'm glad to see you back; was so sorry to hear about your husband's aunt.  You and yours have been in my thoughts and prayers.

[Edward]

1.Not one girl in this world has made claim against any of the boys mentioned in this case..
2. The Colombian witnesses were all real.
3. Marcos was real. 3.25 years later too.. In Nicaragua Too.!
4. The landfill witness was real.
5. Dave was kicked out of the landfill.
6. Various people died because of this case and an innocent woman is in jail over her husbands death. Others were called suicides and one just dies for no apparent reason.
One of the main speakers has association to major crimes
7. His brother The Boss gets arrested for a major crime and shoots at police and Americans do not pays attention.
8. His nephew lives within eyesight of the lighthouse.
The boys all admit they were at the lighthouse on the night in question, and a walk across a golf course would go unwitnessed.
.. It is bigger then anyone understands is the Bottom line.
Green Frogs and Wizards are all part of the plan of misinformation..
Is everyone blind ?
jmho

[wreck]

1.Not one girl in this world has made claim against any of the boys mentioned in this case..
2. The Colombian witnesses were all real.
3. Marcos was real. 3.25 years later too.. In Nicaragua Too.!
4. The landfill witness was real.
5. Dave was kicked out of the landfill.
6. Various people died because of this case and an innocent woman is in jail over her husbands death. Others were called suicides and one just dies for no apparent reason.
One of the main speakers has association to major crimes
7. His brother The Boss gets arrested for a major crime and shoots at police and Americans do not pays attention.
8. His nephew lives within eyesight of the lighthouse.
The boys all admit they were at the lighthouse on the night in question, and a walk across a golf course would go unwitnessed.
.. It is bigger then anyone understands is the Bottom line.
Green Frogs and Wizards are all part of the plan of misinformation..
Is everyone blind ?
jmho

Undoubtedly a LARGE cover-up, but I know the American "Green Frog's" credentials. Can't say the same for the "Wizard."

[Tamikosmom]

Good Mornng Monkeys!!  Good Morning Zookeepers!!

Sharon ... I am thankful that you and hubby arrived home safe and sound.  Big Hug!

CAPS ... considering the many time you have been forced to eat it over the past year ... you must be acquiring a taste for crow pie.  Tamikosmom has had to hold her breath time and time again while she partakes of slice after slice of that pie when her speculations come to naught but ... then again she is not revered as the bearer of truth by one Monkeys.

Janet

[Tamikosmom]

Iris if you had any idea who private eye is  you would not question their posts, not blaming you for you can't know but for once.........trust that this person has more information than any of us might ever have.

Tib, I heard from a birdie that Caps might be Dompig 


 

 

None ... I sure hope not.

The implication is that many Monkeys are putting faith in someone to reveal the truth who has been one with the Aruban coverup agenda from early on in the investigation and ... has undermine the mother of Natalee Holloway time and time again.

I cannot compregen how the objective of justice for Natalee Holloway and ... closure for her family ... is going to be reached by trusting the enemy ... the enemy who has prevented just from prevailing for over 3 1/2 years.

 

Janet

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Missing White Female
Vanity Fair
January 2, 2006

Despite reports to the contrary, Dompig feels certain Natalee didn't meet Joran until her final day on Aruba, Sunday. He confirms that there have been numerous reports that she may have been involved with other young men on the island. "We have taken two statements, from Julia Renfro and a Holiday Inn worker, that Beth told them she had gotten a call from her daughter, and that she was in love with a tall, blue-eyed Dutch teenager. So [Beth] had contact with her daughter. But she denies it. The question is why. If [the Twittys] don't level with us, how can they talk about a conspiracy? We need to know the truth. Joran did not have blue eyes. So who was this boy?" Beth denies making any such statements, or even having talked with Natalee while she was in Aruba.

http://www.vanityfair.com/fame/features/2006/01/natalee200601?currentPage=9


'The Abrams Report' for April 19
updated 7:28 a.m. PT, Thurs., April. 20, 2006

ABRAMS: Beth, any truth to this, I don't know if it's rumor or report, et cetera, that Natalee had said something to you about having a crush on a blonde haired, blue eyed boy in Aruba?

BETH HOLLOWAY TWITTY, NATALEE HOLLOWAY'S MOTHER:  Dan, there's just—there's no truth to that at all. You know Natalee had not called me. She didn't have international calling on her phone and no she never—her friends said that this never happened, it was never mentioned. And just simply it's just another rumor that had started and it's just not true, Dan.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/12405242/

[Tamikosmom]

1.Not one girl in this world has made claim against any of the boys mentioned in this case..
2. The Colombian witnesses were all real.
3. Marcos was real. 3.25 years later too.. In Nicaragua Too.!
4. The landfill witness was real.
5. Dave was kicked out of the landfill.
6. Various people died because of this case and an innocent woman is in jail over her husbands death. Others were called suicides and one just dies for no apparent reason.
One of the main speakers has association to major crimes
7. His brother The Boss gets arrested for a major crime and shoots at police and Americans do not pays attention.
8. His nephew lives within eyesight of the lighthouse.
The boys all admit they were at the lighthouse on the night in question, and a walk across a golf course would go unwitnessed.
.. It is bigger then anyone understands is the Bottom line.
Green Frogs and Wizards are all part of the plan of misinformation..
Is everyone blind ?
jmho

 

Edward ... is "Edward" your given name or just a nic?

Nevertheless ... you and Joran are one in regards to Joran's claim to Greta in his March, 2006 interview that there were never any accusations of sexual assault leveled against him.  However ... there are sources that state otherwise.

Janet

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"I AM INCLINED TO BELIEVE HIM" - GRETA VAN SUSTEREN

Transcript: Joran van der Sloot Goes 'On the Record,' Part 3
Monday, March 06, 2006

VAN SUSTEREN: Have you ever been accused by a girl ...

VAN DER SLOOT: Never. Never.

VAN SUSTEREN: ... or something — never?

VAN DER SLOOT: I mean, you can talk to any girl I've ever been with, and they can say I always treated them in the right way. I mean, I never laid a finger on a girl without her wanting to. I've never done anything like that before ever with any girl.
 
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,186880,00.html


CONTRADICTIONS

Hannity & Colmes
April 11, 2006
 
BETH TWITTY: Well, those young girls... Those are the girls, who came forward this summer...I believe they came forward in August, and were giving statements to the police as to what Joran had done to them. And from what I am reading in the same papers that you are, that these young girls, obviously, will feel more comfortable coming forward in New York. I mean, they were really pressured by several different people and officials on the Island of Aruba to retract their statements. And it was difficult enough for them to come forward as it was.
 
 
'The Abrams Report' for February 24
updated 7:45 a.m. PT, Mon., Feb. 27, 2006
 
BETH HOLLOWAY TWITTY, NATALEE HOLLOWAY'S MOTHER: There were two—I know of two young girls. One was 16 and one was 14 years of age, and it was difficult for these girls to do, but they did come forward. They had to hire an attorney. They gave statements to the police. You know, these were real girls that were coming forward.  We don't know what happened or what transpired, why that never went any further than it did. We don't know if it had something to do with—I was told that Dennis Jacobs (ph) had strongly—had talked to the girls and was really putting the pressure on them to retract this, so you know, we just don't know how far that some individuals in that police department were going to go to put a stop to those girls coming forward. But they were real girls and they had been assaulted by Joran under the influence of drugs.
 
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/11590518/
 

Diario: More Alleged Victims Come Forward against Joran
Translated from Today’s Diario Newspaper:
August 23, 2005
 
ORANJESTAD (AAN) — Last night on The O’Reilly Factor of Fox one could hear how the parents of an American girl (today 18 years old) who was a girlfriend of Joran three years ago and this family is convinced that Joran van der Sloot is innocent in the case of the disappearance of Natalee. It was mentioned that the youngsters met each other at a pool of a hotel where the family would have had a Timeshare, how Joran visited the family in the states and how he had contact with the girl via E-mail until recently.
 
This is contrary to what also reached the editorial desk, indicating that there is a girl of 17 years old who apparently will press charges against Joran to the authorities for rape. According to this information that reached our editorial desks, apparently there are 3 girls who want to press charges, but that two of them have not yet decided, but that the other does have the intention of pressing charges soon.
 
http://scaredmonkeys.com/2005/08/23/diario-more-alleged-victims-come-forward-against-joran/
 
 
'Scarborough Country' for August 22
updated 7:34 a.m. PT, Tues., Aug. 23, 2005

MICHELLE KOSINSKI, NBC CORRESPONDENT: … Well, now this private investigator who has been working on this island for weeks says that he has tracked down one of these young ladies through her attorney. And her attorney says that this young woman claims - and she‘s 17 years old—that she was drugged and that she had unwanted sexual contact of some kind with Joran Van Der Sloot. Furthermore, she claims through her attorney that two of her classmates had a similar experience. And the private investigator sat down with his attorney, talked to her at length about this 17-year-old girl. And he says that she is now willing to go to prosecutors and try to press charges against Van Der Sloot.
 
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/9051533/
 
 
Summons and Complaint
Elizabeth Ann Twitty and Dave Edward Holloway
vs. Joran van der Sloot and Paulus van der Sloot

12. On at least three occasions prior to May 2005, young Aruban women alleged that they were victims of “date rape” perpetrated by Joran and his accomplices.
 
http://news.findlaw.com/hdocs/docs/hway/hwayvds21606cmp5.html


Summons and Complaint
Elizabeth Ann Twitty and Dave Edward Holloway
vs. Joran van der Sloot and Paulus van der Sloot

81. Defendant Paulus van der Sloot knew his minor child, Joran van der Sloot, had a long history of sexual assaults on young women.

http://news.findlaw.com/hdocs/docs/hway/hwayvds21606cmp15.html
 
 
Kalpoe Brothers Re-Arrested
Tuesday, August 30, 2005
 
VAN SUSTEREN: Tito, last night we had on the new lawyer for Natalee Holloway's family, who said that a young woman came to her office and said that she had been sexually assaulted by Joran. Are there other women or young women who have come forward? I mean, there seems to be a lot of people are talking a lot about it, but do you know specifically if this is fact?

TITO LACLE, ARUBA TODAY: This is fact, Greta. The lawyer for Joran van der Sloot did confirm yesterday that not one but several people had been interrogated, or he confirmed my story that I heard from my sources, and he confirmed that many people had come forward. He did not give a specific number. He did mention the States and Aruba, that this has happened, and based on that information, that they put this accusation on Joran van der Sloot yesterday.

VAN SUSTEREN: So there are women here in the United States who are also making that allegation against Joran?

LACLE: That is what we were told, Greta.
 
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,167372,00.html
 
 
Aruba Suspects Accused of Taking Sex Photos of Another Girl
Thursday, September 01, 2005
The Kalpoe brothers were released July 4 and rearrested last week with a friend of the three young men, Freddy Alexander Zedan-Arambatzis (search), 21.

Zedan-Arambatzis, who is not suspected of involvement in the Holloway case, is accused of taking photos of a minor female in "tempting poses" and of showing the photos to other people, said his lawyer, Diana Emerencia. He is also suspected of having unspecified "physical contact" with the girl, she said.

The Kalpoe brothers and van der Sloot are also suspected of involvement in the incident, which allegedly occurred before Holloway disappeared, Emerencia said.
 
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,168233,00.html
 
 
'Scarborough Country' for August 26
updated 12:49 p.m. PT, Mon., Aug. 29, 2005
 
DANIELS: It definitely smells that way. You know, if you take the prosecution‘s statement at its face, we are talking on a whole new level, the charges here. We are talking about drugs. We are talking about rape and we are talking about rape of many different people. There are four guys now in custody, four best friends. What does that tell you?

JOSSY MANSUR, EDITOR, “DIARIO”: Well, what it tells me is that, really, these four guys are friends. They belong to the same group, these party boys that go out and prey on young, unsuspected girls or other kinds of girls also that are out to have a good time, not suspecting what they‘re in for with these predators around. And they are—they not only appear in photographs together, but I understand that Freddy lives very near to the Joran house. So, there is a bond between them. There is a group that they call themselves the pimps, in which all of these participate.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/9119491/


HELEN LEJUEZ - ARUBAN FAMILY ATTORNEY

Affidavid of C. Helen Lejuez
<snipped>

5. ... Miss Doe told me that she was coming forward at that time because she had had an experience that might be similar to Natalee's experience.

6. Miss Doe informed me that, one evening during early in 2005, she met Joran van der Sloot at Carlos'n Charlie's nightclub in Aruba.

7. Miss Doe told me that, over the course of the night, Joran van der Sloot gave her several alcoholic beverages. Miss Doe further stated that she believes that Joran van der Sloot placed some kind of narcotic substance in one of her drinks. The reason she believes she was drugged is that her level of intoxication was greatly disportionate to the amount of alcohol that she consumed.

8. Later that night, according to Miss Doe, Joran Van der Sloot brought Miss Doe back to his apartment, adjacent to his parent's house.

9. Miss Doe then told me that she was sexually assaulted by Joran van der Sloot as she faded in and out of conciousness, At no time did Miss Doe consent to any sexual contact with Joran van der Sloot.

10. Miss Doe advised me that, shortly after she was sexually assaulted by Joran van der Sloot, she learned that two other young women, ages 16 and 17, suffered attacks by Joran van der Sloot under similar circumstances.
 
11. Miss Doe told me that, in the aftermath of Joran van der Sloot's attack on Miss Doe, she was threatened and intimidated by Joran van der Sloot, his friends and others. She had been terrified to come forward and tell her story in Aruba.

[Tamikosmom]

Considering I have been talking to myself for the past hour .. I am now convinced that I really am getting old.

 

Janet

[texasmom]

Considering I have been talking to myself for the past hour .. I am now convinced that I really am getting old.

 

Janet

You're not talking to yourself Janet!  I'm listening!  Just trying to do lots of things this morning and read here too...  Haven't posted much yet; but I'm thinking a lot about everything I've read this morning!

[2NJSons_Mom]

Considering I have been talking to myself for the past hour .. I am now convinced that I really am getting old.

 

Janet

You are not talking to yourself and you are not getting old....well, you are not alone getting old...

[Tamikosmom]

Considering I have been talking to myself for the past hour .. I am now convinced that I really am getting old.

 

Janet

You are not talking to yourself and you are not getting old....well, you are not alone getting old...

I will will be selective and embrace the part of your post that said "You are not getting old".

 

Thanks 2NJSons_Mom.

Janet

[wreck]

1.Not one girl in this world has made claim against any of the boys mentioned in this case..

TM,
I didn't sense he was actually saying that no girl has ever had cause to report against them -- I think he is saying there is a REASON that no girls have come forward. He is hinting at a large cover-up.

[wreck]

In fact, a few girls DID come forward but were suddenly "silenced"!

[Keepthefaith]

I must give Iris kudos for bringing us back to the real issues.Thank You Iris!