Natalee Case Discussion #792 1/9/09 - 1/13/09

[San]

What angers me is that Simian, Simian's brother, and many others claim to have inside information about Natalee's demise and choose to speak in riddles.  I've read and read and discussed and discussed till the cows come home, but I have no faith in these riddlers.  It's only my humble opinion, but I do believe they are part of the "misinformation"/"disinformation" campaign intended to befuddle and confuse and obscure any truth.  I have to place Capslock in this category--sorry if I offend.  The truth is there.  If any one person knows the truth, then he/she needs to speak it plainly and clearly to the Holloway family and FBI.  Enough already.

There is only one riddler.

Great pic, but what about Jim Carrey's riddler?

I did not like Jim Carey.  I am a fan of the old Batman series.

[iris44]

At this point I hate to even point this out, but Private Eye is relying on Kyle's statements, so the fact that Private Eye thinks "the game is fixed" based on Kyle's statements doesn't prove anything.  I'm not trying to disagree with you, I'm just pointing out the flaws in the logic here. (Sorry, I can't help but notice these things because I am trained this way from my work).

No Private Eye mentioned the contents in context that surprised Kyle.  That is when the posts got really interesting.  Private Eye had totally independent access to the information which Kyle had not anticipated.  He was calling Beth's attention to the inconsistencies.  His information was never based on Kyle alone and so he could see that things were not as they should have been.

Verrry interesting, that's the type of independent verification I am looking for.  (I'm pretty sure I know who PE is, I've seen it posted here).  I remember how interesting Private Eye's posts were at that time, but I haven't read them for a while.  I will go back and re-read.  Do you have a link to some of those pages, or remember what month that was going on?

It was March 2008, I believe.  Someone else can probably be more exact.

Thanks, I was thinking it was around then.  I'll be able to find it.

[Magnolia]

What angers me is that Simian, Simian's brother, and many others claim to have inside information about Natalee's demise and choose to speak in riddles.  I've read and read and discussed and discussed till the cows come home, but I have no faith in these riddlers.  It's only my humble opinion, but I do believe they are part of the "misinformation"/"disinformation" campaign intended to befuddle and confuse and obscure any truth.  I have to place Capslock in this category--sorry if I offend.  The truth is there.  If any one person knows the truth, then he/she needs to speak it plainly and clearly to the Holloway family and FBI.  Enough already.

There is only one riddler.

Great pic, but what about Jim Carrey's riddler?

Doesn't count.  Too newfangled.  Logic told me that.

[Anna]

I have always found it extremely distasteful to play riddles and games about somebody's missing and likely deceased child.

[iris44]

What angers me is that Simian, Simian's brother, and many others claim to have inside information about Natalee's demise and choose to speak in riddles.  I've read and read and discussed and discussed till the cows come home, but I have no faith in these riddlers.  It's only my humble opinion, but I do believe they are part of the "misinformation"/"disinformation" campaign intended to befuddle and confuse and obscure any truth.  I have to place Capslock in this category--sorry if I offend.  The truth is there.  If any one person knows the truth, then he/she needs to speak it plainly and clearly to the Holloway family and FBI.  Enough already.

There is only one riddler.

Great pic, but what about Jim Carrey's riddler?

I did not like Jim Carey.  I am a fan of the old Batman series.

I met the original TV show Robin at a supermarket in my college town of Carbondale, Illinois. (Lots of years ago!)  He had a little table set up in the store and was signing autographs.  He didn't draw much of a crowd; I felt so bad for him.

[AZLady]

I'm still of the opinion that the Dutch and Aruba are in a codependant relationship.  They may not like each other, but they need each other, or think they do.  There will be no justice from the Dutch as they will acquiese to the Aruban demands--for reasons that seem unfathomable to many.  However, it is too intertwined a relationship to be severed at this time.

The only justice Natalee will receive will be from an independent Interpol investigation.  This won't happen until it is forced upon Aruba and Holland.  I don't know how this can brought about.  I wish I did.

[klaasend]

FYI

Case Number: BC363201
DEEPAK KALPOE VS PHILLIP C MCGRAW
Filing Date: 12/13/2006
Case Type: Defamation (Slander/Libel) (General Jurisdiction)
Status: Pending

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Future Hearings
01/26/2009 at 08:30 am in department 69 at 111 North Hill Street, Los Angeles, CA 90012
Motion to Compel (Further Interrogatory Responsesand Production of Documents (4);2) Second Motion to Dismiss andRequest for Terminating Sanctions3) Case Management Conference)

[iris44]

When I said Clyde Merian -- I think I meant Clyde Burke. 

OK, well I know who Clyde Burke is and I hear Capslock does know him (this has bothered me some).  I have believed for some time that Clyde Burke was Simian.  I do not believe that Clyde Burke and Capslock are the same person although anything is possible.

Maybe it is possible.  The way Caps writes reminds me so much of Simian.  Other monkeys have noted that as well.

Or maybe Simian's brother.....who had a "vision".

Yep, they seem to be linked somehow.  Just a feeling, but can't shake it...

[San]

What angers me is that Simian, Simian's brother, and many others claim to have inside information about Natalee's demise and choose to speak in riddles.  I've read and read and discussed and discussed till the cows come home, but I have no faith in these riddlers.  It's only my humble opinion, but I do believe they are part of the "misinformation"/"disinformation" campaign intended to befuddle and confuse and obscure any truth.  I have to place Capslock in this category--sorry if I offend.  The truth is there.  If any one person knows the truth, then he/she needs to speak it plainly and clearly to the Holloway family and FBI.  Enough already.

There is only one riddler.

Great pic, but what about Jim Carrey's riddler?

I did not like Jim Carey.  I am a fan of the old Batman series.

I met the original TV show Robin at a supermarket in my college town of Carbondale, Illinois. (Lots of years ago!)  He had a little table set up in the store and was signing autographs.  He didn't draw much of a crowd; I felt so bad for him.

LOLOL....Poor guy.  He is one guy you hardly see around.  I have seen Adam West on TV and I know Adam West does a lot of voices for cartoons.

[San]

I'm still of the opinion that the Dutch and Aruba are in a codependant relationship.  They may not like each other, but they need each other, or think they do.  There will be no justice from the Dutch as they will acquiese to the Aruban demands--for reasons that seem unfathomable to many.  However, it is too intertwined a relationship to be severed at this time.

The only justice Natalee will receive will be from an independent Interpol investigation.  This won't happen until it is forced upon Aruba and Holland.  I don't know how this can brought about.  I wish I did.

I agree AZLady.

[texasmom]

FYI

Case Number: BC363201
DEEPAK KALPOE VS PHILLIP C MCGRAW
Filing Date: 12/13/2006
Case Type: Defamation (Slander/Libel) (General Jurisdiction)
Status: Pending

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Future Hearings
01/26/2009 at 08:30 am in department 69 at 111 North Hill Street, Los Angeles, CA 90012
Motion to Compel (Further Interrogatory Responsesand Production of Documents (4);2) Second Motion to Dismiss andRequest for Terminating Sanctions3) Case Management Conference)

Thanks Klaas!

[AZLady]

I'm still of the opinion that the Dutch and Aruba are in a codependant relationship.  They may not like each other, but they need each other, or think they do.  There will be no justice from the Dutch as they will acquiese to the Aruban demands--for reasons that seem unfathomable to many.  However, it is too intertwined a relationship to be severed at this time.

The only justice Natalee will receive will be from an independent Interpol investigation.  This won't happen until it is forced upon Aruba and Holland.  I don't know how this can brought about.  I wish I did.

I agree AZLady.

So, how does Interpol get involved in a case?  Anyone know?

[Magnolia]

When I said Clyde Merian -- I think I meant Clyde Burke. 

OK, well I know who Clyde Burke is and I hear Capslock does know him (this has bothered me some).  I have believed for some time that Clyde Burke was Simian.  I do not believe that Clyde Burke and Capslock are the same person although anything is possible.

Maybe it is possible.  The way Caps writes reminds me so much of Simian.  Other monkeys have noted that as well.

Or maybe Simian's brother.....who had a "vision".

Yep, they seem to be linked somehow.  Just a feeling, but can't shake it...

Maybe they are linked because Caps is Clyde Burke's brother?

[AZLady]

FYI

Case Number: BC363201
DEEPAK KALPOE VS PHILLIP C MCGRAW
Filing Date: 12/13/2006
Case Type: Defamation (Slander/Libel) (General Jurisdiction)
Status: Pending

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Future Hearings
01/26/2009 at 08:30 am in department 69 at 111 North Hill Street, Los Angeles, CA 90012
Motion to Compel (Further Interrogatory Responsesand Production of Documents (4);2) Second Motion to Dismiss andRequest for Terminating Sanctions3) Case Management Conference)

Thanks Klaas!

I can hardly believe this case is still in the motion filing stage.  Those lawyers for the Kalpoes are really going on adrenaline.  Amazing.

[iris44]

I'm still of the opinion that the Dutch and Aruba are in a codependant relationship.  They may not like each other, but they need each other, or think they do.  There will be no justice from the Dutch as they will acquiese to the Aruban demands--for reasons that seem unfathomable to many.  However, it is too intertwined a relationship to be severed at this time.

The only justice Natalee will receive will be from an independent Interpol investigation.  This won't happen until it is forced upon Aruba and Holland.  I don't know how this can brought about.  I wish I did.

I agree.  The Dutch are looking out for the "Aruban Dutch".  I'm sure if they could have pinned this on the Kalpoes, but still let Joran off the hook, they would have. 

[AZLady]

I'm still of the opinion that the Dutch and Aruba are in a codependant relationship.  They may not like each other, but they need each other, or think they do.  There will be no justice from the Dutch as they will acquiese to the Aruban demands--for reasons that seem unfathomable to many.  However, it is too intertwined a relationship to be severed at this time.

The only justice Natalee will receive will be from an independent Interpol investigation.  This won't happen until it is forced upon Aruba and Holland.  I don't know how this can brought about.  I wish I did.

I agree.  The Dutch are looking out for the "Aruban Dutch".  I'm sure if they could have pinned this on the Kalpoes, but still let Joran off the hook, they would have. 

Of course.  The Kalpoes know enough to ensure their safety, and they will not speak what they know. 

I've always said "follow the money" in this case.  I still believe this.  Huge money amounts go through Aruba.  No one is immune to this kind of money. 

[iris44]

When I said Clyde Merian -- I think I meant Clyde Burke. 

OK, well I know who Clyde Burke is and I hear Capslock does know him (this has bothered me some).  I have believed for some time that Clyde Burke was Simian.  I do not believe that Clyde Burke and Capslock are the same person although anything is possible.

Maybe it is possible.  The way Caps writes reminds me so much of Simian.  Other monkeys have noted that as well.

Or maybe Simian's brother.....who had a "vision".

Yep, they seem to be linked somehow.  Just a feeling, but can't shake it...

Maybe they are linked because Caps is Clyde Burke's brother?

I don't know enough about these characters to know really who is who, but it wasn't just the broken English that made the Simian and Caps writing seem similar to me; it was the use of metaphors in their writings.  I think they are called metaphors.  I was not good at high school English grammar.  I'll try to find an example when I get a chance.

[iris44]

I'm still of the opinion that the Dutch and Aruba are in a codependant relationship.  They may not like each other, but they need each other, or think they do.  There will be no justice from the Dutch as they will acquiese to the Aruban demands--for reasons that seem unfathomable to many.  However, it is too intertwined a relationship to be severed at this time.

The only justice Natalee will receive will be from an independent Interpol investigation.  This won't happen until it is forced upon Aruba and Holland.  I don't know how this can brought about.  I wish I did.

I agree.  The Dutch are looking out for the "Aruban Dutch".  I'm sure if they could have pinned this on the Kalpoes, but still let Joran off the hook, they would have. 

Of course.  The Kalpoes know enough to ensure their safety, and they will not speak what they know. 

I've always said "follow the money" in this case.  I still believe this.  Huge money amounts go through Aruba.  No one is immune to this kind of money. 

Yep, unfortunately, it's always about money.

[AZLady]

I know what you mean.  "Babylon" is a metaphor of sorts, but is also well known in the Caribbean.  I did some research years ago about the Rastafarian references, too.  In the long run, I think the Simian character is quite familiar with the Caribbean folklore, politics, and history.   

[Magnolia]

Clyde Burke is an ALE officer.  He is thought to be Simian and Merian Ernest.