Natalee Case Discussion #792 1/9/09 - 1/13/09

[klaasend]

Clyde Burke is an ALE officer.  He is thought to be Simian and Merian Ernest.

Yes, that is my belief

[Anna]

I know what you mean.  "Babylon" is a metaphor of sorts, but is also well known in the Caribbean.  I did some research years ago about the Rastafarian references, too.  In the long run, I think the Simian character is quite familiar with the Caribbean folklore, politics, and history.  

And Marvel Comics X Men and Wolverine Series.

[iris44]

KYLE KINGMAN - HIS OWN WORDS

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Re: Natalee Case Discussion #743 3/14 -
« Reply #709 on: March 18, 2008, 03:11:50 PM »

The contents of the trap were being actively investigated. The forensic results of a fabric sample showed the fabric sample was not a match to Natalee's blouse and that no DNA match to Natalee was found within that fabric sample. Human remains were found, but the FBI was not and would not comment on the case. The FBI did not comment on the remains, but rather the fabric sample.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2705.700

Do FBI investigations ever become public record?

[Anna]

The Elders, Babylonians, Rave, House of Rave. streets of gold bricks, it's all in there.
 

[iris44]

Iris if you had any idea who private eye is  you would not question their posts, not blaming you for you can't know but for once.........trust that this person has more information than any of us might ever have.

Tib, I heard from a birdie that Caps might be Dompig 


 

Wouldn't that be a hoot, but I have wondered if he could be Dompig myself.

But surely, Dompig would have known more about the case.  For example who "the Twitty" was and what he was to Natalee.

Then again, could have all been a ruse to fool us.  Don't think it was Jossy despite the moniker for old time type setters.  Someone from the "Anybody But Joran" club maybe Dompig, jr.  Or group of the pimps with varying language skills.

Remember KBM I think it was?  He seemed chatty enough. 

Guess it could have been any number of people.  Perhaps he shall return and clarify the failure of the arrest of a major player to take place?

.

I lean towards "ruse" because of the "language" descrepancies.

Caps definitely has good English, then bad English days, but Caps types way too fast to be Dompig.  Doesn't Dompig seem like everything he does, he does slowly?

[ldstlou]

Iris if you had any idea who private eye is  you would not question their posts, not blaming you for you can't know but for once.........trust that this person has more information than any of us might ever have.

Tib, I heard from a birdie that Caps might be Dompig 


 

Wouldn't that be a hoot, but I have wondered if he could be Dompig myself.

But surely, Dompig would have known more about the case.  For example who "the Twitty" was and what he was to Natalee.

Then again, could have all been a ruse to fool us.  Don't think it was Jossy despite the moniker for old time type setters.  Someone from the "Anybody But Joran" club maybe Dompig, jr.  Or group of the pimps with varying language skills.

Remember KBM I think it was?  He seemed chatty enough. 

Guess it could have been any number of people.  Perhaps he shall return and clarify the failure of the arrest of a major player to take place?

.

I lean towards "ruse" because of the "language" descrepancies.

Caps definitely has good English, then bad English days, but Caps types way too fast to be Dompig.  Doesn't Dompig seem like everything he does, he does slowly?

Iris, I am almost afraid to post to you...don't want you to get bashed for posting with me. But it is pretty common knowledge that private eye is Beth's brother, or at least that is what I have been lead to believe. The posts he made were during and right after the Persistance endeavor, I haven't noticed any new ones in quite awhile.

[Keepthefaith]

Iris if you had any idea who private eye is  you would not question their posts, not blaming you for you can't know but for once.........trust that this person has more information than any of us might ever have.

Tib, I heard from a birdie that Caps might be Dompig 


 

Wouldn't that be a hoot, but I have wondered if he could be Dompig myself.

But surely, Dompig would have known more about the case.  For example who "the Twitty" was and what he was to Natalee.

Then again, could have all been a ruse to fool us.  Don't think it was Jossy despite the moniker for old time type setters.  Someone from the "Anybody But Joran" club maybe Dompig, jr.  Or group of the pimps with varying language skills.

Remember KBM I think it was?  He seemed chatty enough. 

Guess it could have been any number of people.  Perhaps he shall return and clarify the failure of the arrest of a major player to take place?

.

I lean towards "ruse" because of the "language" descrepancies.

Caps definitely has good English, then bad English days, but Caps types way too fast to be Dompig.  Doesn't Dompig seem like everything he does, he does slowly?

Iris, I am almost afraid to post to you...don't want you to get bashed for posting with me. But it is pretty common knowledge that private eye is Beth's brother, or at least that is what I have been lead to believe. The posts he made were during and right after the Persistance endeavor, I haven't noticed any new ones in quite awhile.

Private Eye did stop in not to long ago but didn't post!

[iris44]

The following is from Freddy's statement from Joran's book:

The next day, Tuesday May 31st 2005 in the afternoon, I was with Joran at the raquetclub. Joran looked worried. He asked me if I could remember what he had said the previous day about the girl. I told him yes. The girl had gone missing. The FBI had been to his house during the night but he had not been home. His father had called him to find out where he was, Joran said that he was in the Raddison Casino. He told he that after that phone call he was called on the phone by Deepak and that Deepak picked him up a few minutes later. They drove to Joran's house. The FBI and the girls family were at his house. After that Joran told me that Deepak, Satish and himself did not drop off the girl at the Holiday Inn Hotel, but that the four of them drove to the beach at the north side of the Marriot Hotel. The girl had fallen several times on the way to the beach. Joran told me that at some point she "no longer came around/no longer regained consciousness" and that they had left her on the beach. He also told me that he had left his gym/sporting shoes on the beach. After Joran had told me this, I asked him why he had left her there. He answered me that at that moment he had not known what to do.

Are there any other of Freddy's statements here on SM?  At the end of Beth's book she discusses De Vries' theory that Natalee was taken to Joran's house.  My main question is: Where was Freddy (and his camera) when Joran and the Kalpoes were at C & C's?  Was he at Joran's setting up his camera?  Also, were his parents ever interviewed to find out when Freddy got home that night?  I know some of you have probably looked into all this already, but I missed all that.

[ldstlou]

I'm still of the opinion that the Dutch and Aruba are in a codependant relationship.  They may not like each other, but they need each other, or think they do.  There will be no justice from the Dutch as they will acquiese to the Aruban demands--for reasons that seem unfathomable to many.  However, it is too intertwined a relationship to be severed at this time.

The only justice Natalee will receive will be from an independent Interpol investigation.  This won't happen until it is forced upon Aruba and Holland.  I don't know how this can brought about.  I wish I did.

Great post AZ...have to give it a big AMEN. We need someone objective like Interpole to get anywhere in this case.

[Keepthefaith]

The following is from Freddy's statement from Joran's book:

The next day, Tuesday May 31st 2005 in the afternoon, I was with Joran at the raquetclub. Joran looked worried. He asked me if I could remember what he had said the previous day about the girl. I told him yes. The girl had gone missing. The FBI had been to his house during the night but he had not been home. His father had called him to find out where he was, Joran said that he was in the Raddison Casino. He told he that after that phone call he was called on the phone by Deepak and that Deepak picked him up a few minutes later. They drove to Joran's house. The FBI and the girls family were at his house. After that Joran told me that Deepak, Satish and himself did not drop off the girl at the Holiday Inn Hotel, but that the four of them drove to the beach at the north side of the Marriot Hotel. The girl had fallen several times on the way to the beach. Joran told me that at some point she "no longer came around/no longer regained consciousness" and that they had left her on the beach. He also told me that he had left his gym/sporting shoes on the beach. After Joran had told me this, I asked him why he had left her there. He answered me that at that moment he had not known what to do.

Are there any other of Freddy's statements here on SM?  At the end of Beth's book she discusses De Vries' theory that Natalee was taken to Joran's house.  My main question is: Where was Freddy (and his camera) when Joran and the Kalpoes were at C & C's?  Was he at Joran's setting up his camera?  Also, were his parents ever interviewed to find out when Freddy got home that night?  I know some of you have probably looked into all this already, but I missed all that.

This Definitely has potential and i believe has been discussed before!

[klaasend]

The following is from Freddy's statement from Joran's book:

The next day, Tuesday May 31st 2005 in the afternoon, I was with Joran at the raquetclub. Joran looked worried. He asked me if I could remember what he had said the previous day about the girl. I told him yes. The girl had gone missing. The FBI had been to his house during the night but he had not been home. His father had called him to find out where he was, Joran said that he was in the Raddison Casino. He told he that after that phone call he was called on the phone by Deepak and that Deepak picked him up a few minutes later. They drove to Joran's house. The FBI and the girls family were at his house. After that Joran told me that Deepak, Satish and himself did not drop off the girl at the Holiday Inn Hotel, but that the four of them drove to the beach at the north side of the Marriot Hotel. The girl had fallen several times on the way to the beach. Joran told me that at some point she "no longer came around/no longer regained consciousness" and that they had left her on the beach. He also told me that he had left his gym/sporting shoes on the beach. After Joran had told me this, I asked him why he had left her there. He answered me that at that moment he had not known what to do.

Are there any other of Freddy's statements here on SM?  At the end of Beth's book she discusses De Vries' theory that Natalee was taken to Joran's house.  My main question is: Where was Freddy (and his camera) when Joran and the Kalpoes were at C & C's?  Was he at Joran's setting up his camera?  Also, were his parents ever interviewed to find out when Freddy got home that night?  I know some of you have probably looked into all this already, but I missed all that.

This Definitely has potential and i believe has been discussed before!

Yes, discussed at length over two years ago and probably before that.  Definately a possibility IMO.  Not to mention that in the Kalpoes statements they mention returning Freddy's camera to him.

[ldstlou]

Iris if you had any idea who private eye is  you would not question their posts, not blaming you for you can't know but for once.........trust that this person has more information than any of us might ever have.

Tib, I heard from a birdie that Caps might be Dompig 


 

Wouldn't that be a hoot, but I have wondered if he could be Dompig myself.

But surely, Dompig would have known more about the case.  For example who "the Twitty" was and what he was to Natalee.

Then again, could have all been a ruse to fool us.  Don't think it was Jossy despite the moniker for old time type setters.  Someone from the "Anybody But Joran" club maybe Dompig, jr.  Or group of the pimps with varying language skills.

Remember KBM I think it was?  He seemed chatty enough. 

Guess it could have been any number of people.  Perhaps he shall return and clarify the failure of the arrest of a major player to take place?

.

I lean towards "ruse" because of the "language" descrepancies.

Caps definitely has good English, then bad English days, but Caps types way too fast to be Dompig.  Doesn't Dompig seem like everything he does, he does slowly?

Iris, I am almost afraid to post to you...don't want you to get bashed for posting with me. But it is pretty common knowledge that private eye is Beth's brother, or at least that is what I have been lead to believe. The posts he made were during and right after the Persistance endeavor, I haven't noticed any new ones in quite awhile.

Private Eye did stop in not to long ago but didn't post!

I agree. I saw him stop in, but as I mentioned, I have not seen him post in quite some time.

[ldstlou]

The following is from Freddy's statement from Joran's book:

The next day, Tuesday May 31st 2005 in the afternoon, I was with Joran at the raquetclub. Joran looked worried. He asked me if I could remember what he had said the previous day about the girl. I told him yes. The girl had gone missing. The FBI had been to his house during the night but he had not been home. His father had called him to find out where he was, Joran said that he was in the Raddison Casino. He told he that after that phone call he was called on the phone by Deepak and that Deepak picked him up a few minutes later. They drove to Joran's house. The FBI and the girls family were at his house. After that Joran told me that Deepak, Satish and himself did not drop off the girl at the Holiday Inn Hotel, but that the four of them drove to the beach at the north side of the Marriot Hotel. The girl had fallen several times on the way to the beach. Joran told me that at some point she "no longer came around/no longer regained consciousness" and that they had left her on the beach. He also told me that he had left his gym/sporting shoes on the beach. After Joran had told me this, I asked him why he had left her there. He answered me that at that moment he had not known what to do.

Are there any other of Freddy's statements here on SM?  At the end of Beth's book she discusses De Vries' theory that Natalee was taken to Joran's house.  My main question is: Where was Freddy (and his camera) when Joran and the Kalpoes were at C & C's?  Was he at Joran's setting up his camera?  Also, were his parents ever interviewed to find out when Freddy got home that night?  I know some of you have probably looked into all this already, but I missed all that.

This Definitely has potential and i believe has been discussed before!

Yes, discussed at length over two years ago and probably before that.  Definately a possibility IMO.  Not to mention that in the Kalpoes statements they mention returning Freddy's camera to him.

There is truth in every lie...and this is something that has been repeated for almost 4 years in one form or another by joran...I think there is a lot of truth to this statement.

[iris44]

Iris if you had any idea who private eye is  you would not question their posts, not blaming you for you can't know but for once.........trust that this person has more information than any of us might ever have.

Tib, I heard from a birdie that Caps might be Dompig 


 

Wouldn't that be a hoot, but I have wondered if he could be Dompig myself.

But surely, Dompig would have known more about the case.  For example who "the Twitty" was and what he was to Natalee.

Then again, could have all been a ruse to fool us.  Don't think it was Jossy despite the moniker for old time type setters.  Someone from the "Anybody But Joran" club maybe Dompig, jr.  Or group of the pimps with varying language skills.

Remember KBM I think it was?  He seemed chatty enough. 

Guess it could have been any number of people.  Perhaps he shall return and clarify the failure of the arrest of a major player to take place?

.

I lean towards "ruse" because of the "language" descrepancies.

Caps definitely has good English, then bad English days, but Caps types way too fast to be Dompig.  Doesn't Dompig seem like everything he does, he does slowly?

Iris, I am almost afraid to post to you...don't want you to get bashed for posting with me. But it is pretty common knowledge that private eye is Beth's brother, or at least that is what I have been lead to believe. The posts he made were during and right after the Persistance endeavor, I haven't noticed any new ones in quite awhile.

Thanks, and it's OK lstdlou, I have no associations with anyone on the board (this one or any others) or with any of the major (or minor) players.  I thought I read PE was a relative of Beth, so I found his post's particularly interesting, as I'm sure everyone else did, and would suspect he was privy to confidential info.

[klaasend]

Actually Private Eye posted here for a very long time before the Persistence endeavor and his last post was the end of June 2008.  I know he became a member at Freebirds too at some point.  But he was posting at SM under a different nickname in 2005 and 2006. 

[iris44]

The following is from Freddy's statement from Joran's book:

The next day, Tuesday May 31st 2005 in the afternoon, I was with Joran at the raquetclub. Joran looked worried. He asked me if I could remember what he had said the previous day about the girl. I told him yes. The girl had gone missing. The FBI had been to his house during the night but he had not been home. His father had called him to find out where he was, Joran said that he was in the Raddison Casino. He told he that after that phone call he was called on the phone by Deepak and that Deepak picked him up a few minutes later. They drove to Joran's house. The FBI and the girls family were at his house. After that Joran told me that Deepak, Satish and himself did not drop off the girl at the Holiday Inn Hotel, but that the four of them drove to the beach at the north side of the Marriot Hotel. The girl had fallen several times on the way to the beach. Joran told me that at some point she "no longer came around/no longer regained consciousness" and that they had left her on the beach. He also told me that he had left his gym/sporting shoes on the beach. After Joran had told me this, I asked him why he had left her there. He answered me that at that moment he had not known what to do.

Are there any other of Freddy's statements here on SM?  At the end of Beth's book she discusses De Vries' theory that Natalee was taken to Joran's house.  My main question is: Where was Freddy (and his camera) when Joran and the Kalpoes were at C & C's?  Was he at Joran's setting up his camera?  Also, were his parents ever interviewed to find out when Freddy got home that night?  I know some of you have probably looked into all this already, but I missed all that.

This Definitely has potential and i believe has been discussed before!

Yes, discussed at length over two years ago and probably before that.  Definately a possibility IMO.  Not to mention that in the Kalpoes statements they mention returning Freddy's camera to him.

That's right, the returning of the camera's I read not too long ago, that caught my eye.  Maybe because they said it was by the apartments and the Chinese restaurant.  What a weird thing for the Kalpoes to say.  Why would they bring up the camera?  If anyone can point me in the direction of any of that old discussion, that would be great.

If this Freddy statement is legit, that is unbelievable that he said "(she) no longer regained consciousness".

[ldstlou]

Iris if you had any idea who private eye is  you would not question their posts, not blaming you for you can't know but for once.........trust that this person has more information than any of us might ever have.

Tib, I heard from a birdie that Caps might be Dompig 


 

Wouldn't that be a hoot, but I have wondered if he could be Dompig myself.

But surely, Dompig would have known more about the case.  For example who "the Twitty" was and what he was to Natalee.

Then again, could have all been a ruse to fool us.  Don't think it was Jossy despite the moniker for old time type setters.  Someone from the "Anybody But Joran" club maybe Dompig, jr.  Or group of the pimps with varying language skills.

Remember KBM I think it was?  He seemed chatty enough. 

Guess it could have been any number of people.  Perhaps he shall return and clarify the failure of the arrest of a major player to take place?

.

I lean towards "ruse" because of the "language" descrepancies.

Caps definitely has good English, then bad English days, but Caps types way too fast to be Dompig.  Doesn't Dompig seem like everything he does, he does slowly?

Iris, I am almost afraid to post to you...don't want you to get bashed for posting with me. But it is pretty common knowledge that private eye is Beth's brother, or at least that is what I have been lead to believe. The posts he made were during and right after the Persistance endeavor, I haven't noticed any new ones in quite awhile.

Thanks, and it's OK lstdlou, I have no associations with anyone on the board (this one or any others) or with any of the major (or minor) players.  I thought I read PE was a relative of Beth, so I found his post's particularly interesting, as I'm sure everyone else did, and would suspect he was privy to confidential info.

I think I came here in the midst of something bigger than me...Monkeys who left and started a new forum and from what I understand...were not posting kind words about SM. I didn't know anything about the other forum...and still only have bits and pieces about what is going on. I just want to make it clear, I am not part of that forum, was not invited, and still Stand by Natalee and will always stand by Natalee and her family, even when my opinion is not the popular one.

[iris44]

The following is from Freddy's statement from Joran's book:

The next day, Tuesday May 31st 2005 in the afternoon, I was with Joran at the raquetclub. Joran looked worried. He asked me if I could remember what he had said the previous day about the girl. I told him yes. The girl had gone missing. The FBI had been to his house during the night but he had not been home. His father had called him to find out where he was, Joran said that he was in the Raddison Casino. He told he that after that phone call he was called on the phone by Deepak and that Deepak picked him up a few minutes later. They drove to Joran's house. The FBI and the girls family were at his house. After that Joran told me that Deepak, Satish and himself did not drop off the girl at the Holiday Inn Hotel, but that the four of them drove to the beach at the north side of the Marriot Hotel. The girl had fallen several times on the way to the beach. Joran told me that at some point she "no longer came around/no longer regained consciousness" and that they had left her on the beach. He also told me that he had left his gym/sporting shoes on the beach. After Joran had told me this, I asked him why he had left her there. He answered me that at that moment he had not known what to do.

Are there any other of Freddy's statements here on SM?  At the end of Beth's book she discusses De Vries' theory that Natalee was taken to Joran's house.  My main question is: Where was Freddy (and his camera) when Joran and the Kalpoes were at C & C's?  Was he at Joran's setting up his camera?  Also, were his parents ever interviewed to find out when Freddy got home that night?  I know some of you have probably looked into all this already, but I missed all that.

This Definitely has potential and i believe has been discussed before!

Yes, discussed at length over two years ago and probably before that.  Definately a possibility IMO.  Not to mention that in the Kalpoes statements they mention returning Freddy's camera to him.

There is truth in every lie...and this is something that has been repeated for almost 4 years in one form or another by joran...I think there is a lot of truth to this statement.

And Casey Anthony also proved the "there is truth in every lie" statement is correct.

[texasmom]

Actually Private Eye posted here for a very long time before the Persistence endeavor and his last post was the end of June 2008.  I know he became a member at Freebirds too at some point.  But he was posting at SM under a different nickname in 2005 and 2006. 

Thanks Klaas.  Maybe that's why PI's not posting here, still a Freebird? 

[texasmom]

Actually Private Eye posted here for a very long time before the Persistence endeavor and his last post was the end of June 2008.  I know he became a member at Freebirds too at some point.  But he was posting at SM under a different nickname in 2005 and 2006. 

Thanks Klaas.  Maybe that's why PI's not posting here, still a Freebird? 

BTW....I don't want an answer to that, just saying that it would make sense.