Natalee Case Discussion #792 1/9/09 - 1/13/09

[Anna]

So is everybody at the Sitmeter webpage trying to figure out who is who?


 


The Referral page can be interesting as it sometimes will show what Google search the person was looking for that brought them to SM.

But I think I tired of it all long ago.  I have seen the State Dept, FBI, NFI and all kinds of news agencies lurking there many times.  Sometimes it can be interesting but sometimes dull.


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[Anna]

Pornography is not illegal in Aruba.

They must have done something else to warrant an arrest.  Maybe the resort wanted to collect a fee for being used or objected to the association with their establishment or did not grant permission, etc.

IIRC the age of those being photographed was an issue.

Wow, you mean Aruba actually passed a law against something sleazy?   I knew the Dutch had but sort of doubted Aruba had given then had not passed any anti-corruption legislature when Natalee disappeared.  They drag their feet so on anything that has direct effect on any of TPTB.

But this is good to know that at least child pornography is illegal.  Next step is to stop the exploitation of mostly women and children globally so that it is illegal everywhere to practice anything that enslaves another human being even voluntarily.  Just a step above selling organs in my opinion.

[Anna]

BBL

Will try to make it for:

The Dana Pretzer Show On Scared Monkeys Radio - Listen LIVE Tonight at 9PM Eastern - Guests Discuss “True Crime” and Missing Persons Cases Past and Present, and Victims Rights
 
This evening, Dana welcomes:

Pat Brown, criminal profiler. “I Want To See Good In 2009.“
Lisa Wojna, author of the book, “Missing“
Drew Kesse, father of Jennifer Kesse now missing for three years.
Jacque Hollander, victims advocate and crime victim discusses the James Brown Trust.
LISTEN LIVE TONIGHT AT 9PM EASTERN

 

[klaasend]

Actually Private Eye posted here for a very long time before the Persistence endeavor and his last post was the end of June 2008.  I know he became a member at Freebirds too at some point.  But he was posting at SM under a different nickname in 2005 and 2006. 

Klaas - Not trying to bite the hand that feeds me LOL, but PI is not now, nor has he ever been a member at the Freebirds forum. 

Thanks, I assumed he was based on what some others had said.  So he knew information about what was in the trap from other sources than Freebirds...that's even more interresting/telling.

[klaasend]

TONIGHT ON DANA PRETZER:



www.scaredmonkeysradio.com

[bastibro]

Have you seen this one already . . ?

http://www.youtube.com/user/romekresina

[caesu]

Brinkman said on Aruba radio and Dutch TV that Oduber earns 25.000 euro a month.
now Oduber wants that Brinkman is going correct this by saying that he was wrong and only earns 5400 euro a month.

if Brinkman doesn't do this, Oduber is going to file a lawsuit against Brinkman.

http://www.destentor.nl/algemeen/binnenland/4328369/Arubaanse-premier-verdient-niet-zo-veel.ece

[Tamikosmom]

Could the detective and his brother that Kyle Kingman's refers to in his own words  possible be the Deepak and Satish Kalpoe?

Janet

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KYLE KINGSMAN -IN HIS OWN WORDS

CAPS - SHANGO - SIMIAN - DETECTIVE - BROTHER

Kyle: We're close to finding the Dirty Hand and a major leak plaguing the investigation. I believe they're linked. I'm assuming Caps isn't deep inside ALE, but do we know that he isn't? We need to figure out who Cap's source is and what he does. Can we confirm Destiny's source is a Dairio reporter? If so, do we know who this would be? Could it be Eduardo Mansur???

Kyle: This is what I'm trying to figure out now. I need to know the leak! I believe Caps is only one step away from DirtyHand

Kyle: I need to know what we know about Caps and Destiny. I need their names if possible.

Kyle: Just before Christmas they are contacted by a detective and his brother who gave them information that turned out to be the correct latitude While we were searching shortly before Christmas, we were contacted by an Aruban detective who was involved in the Holloway case. He claimed that his brother had a vision about Natalee¢s body offshore and had coordinates. He and his brother agreed to meet on the Persistence. The detective¢s brother gave what he thought were coordinates, but turned out to be a line of latitude. This latitude aligned with Arashi beach and came within a half mile of the fish trap.

Kyle:  IF a key detective's brother knew the latitude the trap was disposed at or very near, then it's probable the detective knew the same.

Kyle:  My opinion on Simian is that he is a detective/cop involved in the case since the beginning. My understanding is that there is only one of the originals remaining. He came to us during the search along with his brother who had a "vision" on where Natalee was disposed. The vision was cryptic and actually contained a latitude which from what he claimed could have been anywhere in the world. The brother thought they were coordinates, but it was just a latitude. Oddly, the latitude was within a half mile from where we found the trap and centered on Arashi beach. Basically, if you stood on land and pointed straight to the trap and were right on the money... this is what the difference amounts to. Based on this latitude we payed a little more attention to the northern portions of the search grid near that Latitude. The trap was found shortly after, within the original search area, but very close to the provided latitude. I would have found the trap without the latitude, but it was very strange. None of us pressed the two for more information because they clearly were VERY uncomfortable.

The brother of the detective came to us and was very persistent over the information. He was almost in tears and just had to "clear his conscience" about it.

His brother, the detective came with him to 'validate him'.

Personally, I think the detective was Simian. The guy kept his mouth shut for the most part but was obviously intelligent and knew a lot more than he led on. It didn't seem he immediately trusted us but gradually became more comfortable, enough to talk.

I think he used his brother and gave us only the amount of information he felt we needed to come across the trap. Basically, by using his brother and claiming the information he shared was only based on a vision, it distances the detective from responsibility and makes it hard to point back to him should it be a problem later. I think the whole game was bogus and he knew almost everything but was helping how he was able and felt comfortable. I don't understand why he had to use his brother and claim a "vision".

The implications of this are tremendous. If true, it means that the early investigators knew where and how Natalee was disposed and it was kept secret and covered up. Not wanting to be implicated but still wanting to help, he could shift the information to a vision of his brothers, perhaps still help a bit and claim no-involvement. However, this man was intelligent enough, cared about the case, yet was self implicated to a high enough level to want to be kept his knowledge a secret. He spoke well enough english and knew everything in my opinion. Perhaps I should find out his name. I never got it. We may never have.

Kyle: Based on the little I know of Simian, there are striking similarities that stood out after I laid down on the evening I met with the detective and his brother.Perhaps Simian is the detective and Shango is the brother.

Kyle:  Since the trap was only in 90ft of water and the detective knew about the latitude, did the Polis already know if it's location prior to the search?

Kyle:   The detective originally wouldn't meet with us and only wanted us to meet with his brother. We convinced him to meet along with his brother and made him feel as comfortable as possible. He reluctantly agreed but wouldn't talk. The brother did all the talking at first. It seemed to me the brother was acting out the "vision" scenario to protect the detective brother. It didn't feel like the brother was in any way corrupt or connected. Also, he wasn't that bright compared to the detective brother. After a while the detective started asking some questions and loosened up a bit. With the pointed questions he asked he proved he knew a lot, but we didn't press him.

Kyle:  The reason I think the detective is Simian is that:
- he is intimately connected to the case
- forced into silence
- both he and the brother seemed to want the case solved but the whole encounter was so cryptic
- he is condemned if his identity and knowledge were coth exposed. One or the other, he's still safe
- he was intelligent and had a good enough command over the english language (not common over the rest of the bunch)
- IF his brother was acting on his behalf with the whole 'I had a vision' act, then the detective's character supports pulling something like Simian off.
- the detective was very internet and computer savy, which was unusual for the bulk of the Polis.
- It seemed he knew who I was when we were introduced, and said something indicating he had been reading the blog.
- his character was very cryptic; the way he moved, spoke, and asked questions was just not normal.

Kyle:  Caps is not Simian. He has indicated he knows who was either Shango or Simian. The person he thinks it is, is a cop.

Kyle:  It was Clyde Burke that went to the meeting with Helen Lejuz

Kyle:  I need to know what we know about Caps and Destiny. I need their names if possible.

[Tamikosmom]

So is everybody at the Sitmeter webpage trying to figure out who is who?


 


The Referral page can be interesting as it sometimes will show what Google search the person was looking for that brought them to SM.

But I think I tired of it all long ago.  I have seen the State Dept, FBI, NFI and all kinds of news agencies lurking there many times.  Sometimes it can be interesting but sometimes dull.

I contend that the sitemeter could be a tool which was created by the Aruban "powers that be" to distract Monkeys from their objective to expose the corrupt investigation that has prevented justice from prevailed for Natalee Holloway.

 

Janet

[bastibro]

Brinkman said on Aruba radio and Dutch TV that Oduber earns 25.000 euro a month.
now Oduber wants that Brinkman is going correct this by saying that he was wrong and only earns 5400 euro a month.

if Brinkman doesn't do this, Oduber is going to file a lawsuit against Brinkman.

http://www.destentor.nl/algemeen/binnenland/4328369/Arubaanse-premier-verdient-niet-zo-veel.ece

Brinkman said that Oduber was making 60000 Aruban florin p/m, that would be about 33000 dollar.

[bastibro]

What`s that with you and Kyle Janet?
Are you in love with the guy or what

[always 1]

Have you seen this one already . . ?

http://www.youtube.com/user/romekresina

Hi, I cant understand what the guy is saying about the pipes.  Can you tell me??  TIA

[Blonde]

Have you seen this one already . . ?

http://www.youtube.com/user/romekresina

[bastibro]

Have you seen this one already . . ?

http://www.youtube.com/user/romekresina

Hi, I cant understand what the guy is saying about the pipes.  Can you tell me??  TIA

I don`t know either Always, maybe thats where he thinks Natalee is at . .

[bastibro]

According to Mos in his pressconference they did search all of the sewage pipes

[Magnolia]

Actually Private Eye posted here for a very long time before the Persistence endeavor and his last post was the end of June 2008.  I know he became a member at Freebirds too at some point.  But he was posting at SM under a different nickname in 2005 and 2006. 

Klaas - Not trying to bite the hand that feeds me LOL, but PI is not now, nor has he ever been a member at the Freebirds forum. 

Thanks, I assumed he was based on what some others had said.  So he knew information about what was in the trap from other sources than Freebirds...that's even more interresting/telling.

I understood, maybe incorrectly, that PI saw the information that the Freebirds
sent to Beth.  That was when he made the post here about the denim that
sent Kyle into a tailspin.

[San]

Actually Private Eye posted here for a very long time before the Persistence endeavor and his last post was the end of June 2008.  I know he became a member at Freebirds too at some point.  But he was posting at SM under a different nickname in 2005 and 2006. 

Klaas - Not trying to bite the hand that feeds me LOL, but PI is not now, nor has he ever been a member at the Freebirds forum. 

Thanks, I assumed he was based on what some others had said.  So he knew information about what was in the trap from other sources than Freebirds...that's even more interresting/telling.

I understood, maybe incorrectly, that PI saw the information that the Freebirds
sent to Beth.  That was when he made the post here about the denim that
sent Kyle into a tailspin.

And why would you go into a tailspin if you knew the family had the pictures.

In my opinion you would go into that tailspin if those pictures weren't shown to the family.

JMO.

[Ono]

Isn't Interpol another agency that has to be "invited" in to a country to investigate?

Hey Anna!  I think so but am not certain.  If there ever was a case which needed Interpol, it's Natalee's.  Scotland Yard would be a help, as well.  Something just has to lance this boil.

[always 1]

But it sounds like the guy on the tape says something about a basement.  Can you have basements in Aruba???

[bastibro]

But it sounds like the guy on the tape says something about a basement.  Can you have basements in Aruba???

Of course Always, there are a lot of houses on THE EVIL ISLAND having basements beneath them.