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« Reply #840 on: January 13, 2009, 10:16:21 AM »

thanks bleached and klaas for that correction.

So how old is Val now?

Sad to note the continued lack of parenting and control by Anita and Paulus.



Oh cripes you want to see lack of parenting.......this is Sebastian:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=88NeEHBD1ao&feature=channel_page

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mcE2X3qfei8&feature=channel_page

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Enwg39Zjf_c&feature=channel_page
Anyone else think that Sebastian is acting out in these ways because He knows what His Daddy and Big Brother did to Natalee....I for on think that Sebastian and Valenjin know exactly what happened that night.....Poor Sebastian has probably been told Oh no that's not what You saw....and don't You dare talk to anyone about what You think You saw or heard......Just keep it to Yourself....therefore He acts out in other ways......Just some thoughts that I have had.....Poor Kid.....He can't tell the truth because He will get in trouble......Probably makes Him feel like blowing things up and so forth..... It would be interesting to hear what He has to say if We could just talk to Him.....Just like Joran He probably knows lots of things about His Father but has always been told to lie.....so now He just lies all the time....or almost all the time.....There is always alittle truth in every lie......These are JMO.... 
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« Reply #841 on: January 13, 2009, 10:22:50 AM »

I do not understand how we go from viewing a plastic bag in a video, to a viewable body
with rats crawling around.. this technology I do not understand. So although in some of the photos it does appear to be a human body with all the disinformation I tend to hold back. As far as saying that is Natalee.. I am really apprehensive about that..

Can somebody please explain how the body images were created ?

Thank You.

P.S. Did the F.B.I. confirm anything on this find ?
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« Reply #842 on: January 13, 2009, 11:30:38 AM »

   
Tuesday, January 13, 2009
Venezuela worries Aruba
Anton Foek THE WASHINGTON TIMES
ORANJESTAD, Aruba

On a clear day, one can easily see Venezuela from the southern part of this tiny Dutch Caribbean island - and its flaming towers drilling for oil and gas.

Russia and Venezuela recently began a joint drilling project in the waters bordering Aruba. The government of Venezuelan President Hugo Chavez claims 28 fields holding an estimated 27 trillion cubic meters of natural gas.

A Russian consortium that includes the state-owned Gazprom is exploring five fields. One of them - Cardon 3 - is less than 14 miles away from Aruba.

The project is causing concern in Aruba and the Netherlands, which is responsible for Aruba's foreign affairs, because Venezuela did not inform either in advance of its plans, thereby violating an agreement signed in 1971 and ratified in 1986.

"They do not really need to ask us for approvals or permission to drill, but needed to inform us," said Jocelyne Croes, a political minister at the Dutch Embassy in Washington. "We signed a treaty about that, and now they are generating new frictions in situations that used to be under control."

Mr. Chavez announced recently that Russia and Venezuela are "strategic partners" in oil and gas exploration. Speaking on television from a drilling platform in the Gulf of Venezuela, he said the exploration was "an act of sovereignty, as we are liberated from the evil Yankee imperialism."

Russian Deputy Prime Minister Igor Sechin smiled as the Venezuelan leader spoke.

Mr. Sechin said five of Russia's largest energy companies have taken a 20 percent stake in a national consortium formed to explore another oil-rich area, Venezuela's Orinoco River basin. Petroleos de Venezuela SA will have the controlling stake in the project.

Since World War II, when Aruba started to refine Venezuelan heavy crude, Venezuela has claimed possession of the Dutch Caribbean islands. Some here fear that the government of Mr. Chavez might invade the Netherlands Antilles and take possession of the islands.

"One never knows," said Rudy Lampe, a member of the Aruban parliament and president of the RED political party. "No one knows if or when, but there is a distinct possibility they may invade."

The Venezuelan Embassy in Washington did not respond to requests for comment

Though few in this region seem to take Venezuela's claim seriously, it remains a topic of conversation on the island.

Augustine Vrolijk, director of Aruba's foreign affairs office in the capital, Oranjestad, told The Washington Times that a bigger fear is that drilling in the Gulf of Venezuela could lead to an environmental mishap, which would have dire consequences for Aruba's tourism industry.

"Of course we are concerned, maybe not so much for a direct and open invasion but certainly for our future. If anything in that order happens, it happens to the Kingdom of the Netherlands, backed by several treaties with the U.S.," he said.

Randall Croes, an Aruban economist who lived in Venezuela for 18 years, said, "No one can take Hugo Chavez seriously."

"He is a Machiavellian prince, looking to build goodwill in political and economic harsh times and manipulate his electorate for the upcoming referendum, using a streamlined pubic relations machine to hide real domestic problems with big international issues. He also has a lot of money but a 66 percent inflation over the past 12 months and no job markets for the unemployed in his country," he added.

Mr. Chavez has become an outspoken foe of the U.S. The socialist leader expelled the U.S. ambassador in Caracas in September and repeatedly has accused President Bush of plotting to overthrow his government.

Venezuela is the fourth-biggest supplier of oil to the United States.

Ben Bot, former Dutch minister of foreign affairs, and the present foreign minister, Maxime Verhagen, have said in television interviews that Venezuela should not go too far in provoking other countries and should stick to signed treaties.

Mr. Chavez says he is aware of his limitation. "My country's northern borders are with the Netherlands," he said recently.

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2009/jan/13/venezuela-worries-aruba/print/
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« Reply #843 on: January 13, 2009, 12:15:39 PM »

Very Interesting!  Thanks 2NJ!
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« Reply #844 on: January 13, 2009, 12:23:44 PM »

HotShot.

Per CapsLockWizard's own words.
"Just watch this week for the arrest of a major player of the game...and probably a big strike in the making and uproar in the house of Babylon."

That was posted on Friday,January 2nd.We're now coming close to 2 weeks later with no arrest.Any answers as to why?TIA
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« Reply #845 on: January 13, 2009, 12:26:46 PM »

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« Reply #846 on: January 13, 2009, 12:35:29 PM »


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« Reply #847 on: January 13, 2009, 12:38:59 PM »




 
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« Reply #848 on: January 13, 2009, 01:28:10 PM »

Now this one is very interesting................shows HotShot knew Shaefer way back when.

But - we know part of this is incorrect - it was never the Persistence until last minute -and certainly not back in 2006


HotShot:

Hotshot's post:


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snip:  I personally have met with Tim, and Shaefer way back in Jan of 2006 back when they were trying to get things going with the Persistence, and getting the OK to go to Aruban waters.  It was several of us that met with them.  So its not like they lost their monies back in 2006 and waited till almost 2008 to scan for oil, etc....  They were waiting to get the OK from Aruba.  And we all know how long they can take.  Schafer is a Seaman, John is not.  Tim is not, he helps in anyway he can to search for the missing, and if that means on a ship, then so be it.  Either way here, it all comes down to one girl, and that is Natalee, they all came together for Natalee.  Not themselves.  There is always one bad apple in a group, I am not saying that "there was", but IF pics were truly going to be sold for his own purpose "other then the film crew that were on the boat", then shame on him.  I just really don't want to think that is true. 

I'd like to know if Tim Miller contacted Louis Shaefer or if Louis Shaefer contacted Tim Miller.

texasmom ... I could be wrong but ... I believe the following quote implies that Louis Shaefer contacted Dave Holloway and ... then Dave Holloway contacted Tim Miller.  Tim Miller does not say anything about Louis Saefer contacting him.

Janet

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COLBY:  Tim, why are they (Arubans) standing in your way?

MILLER: I don't think they can stand in our way. With the equipment we got and if we have to go in off of Venezuela. Whereever we need to go into, we've got the equipment. In fact they are more than welcome to be on the ship with us. The ships that we are taking over are a 265 foot ship and a 340 foot ship which have all the latest technology on it. In fact the owner of this company, Louis Shaeffer of Superior Offshore International, Louis called Dave Holloway up about two months ago when I was at Louis' house. He said "Mr Holloway, I'm going to promise you something, if your daughter is in a metal container out there in that water, we are going to bring her home."
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« Reply #849 on: January 13, 2009, 01:29:57 PM »

Good Morning to all Monkey's!


Good Morning Keepthefaith.

Just catching up.

Janet
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« Reply #850 on: January 13, 2009, 01:31:44 PM »

Now this one is very interesting................shows HotShot knew Shaefer way back when.

But - we know part of this is incorrect - it was never the Persistence until last minute -and certainly not back in 2006


HotShot:

Hotshot's post:


Quote
snip:  I personally have met with Tim, and Shaefer way back in Jan of 2006 back when they were trying to get things going with the Persistence, and getting the OK to go to Aruban waters.  It was several of us that met with them.  So its not like they lost their monies back in 2006 and waited till almost 2008 to scan for oil, etc....  They were waiting to get the OK from Aruba.  And we all know how long they can take.  Schafer is a Seaman, John is not.  Tim is not, he helps in anyway he can to search for the missing, and if that means on a ship, then so be it.  Either way here, it all comes down to one girl, and that is Natalee, they all came together for Natalee.  Not themselves.  There is always one bad apple in a group, I am not saying that "there was", but IF pics were truly going to be sold for his own purpose "other then the film crew that were on the boat", then shame on him.  I just really don't want to think that is true. 

I'd like to know if Tim Miller contacted Louis Shaefer or if Louis Shaefer contacted Tim Miller.

texasmom ... I could be wrong but ... I believe the following quote implies that Louis Shaefer contacted Dave Holloway and ... then Dave Holloway contacted Tim Miller.  Tim Miller does not say anything about Louis Saefer contacting him.

Janet

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COLBY:  Tim, why are they (Arubans) standing in your way?

MILLER: I don't think they can stand in our way. With the equipment we got and if we have to go in off of Venezuela. Whereever we need to go into, we've got the equipment. In fact they are more than welcome to be on the ship with us. The ships that we are taking over are a 265 foot ship and a 340 foot ship which have all the latest technology on it. In fact the owner of this company, Louis Shaeffer of Superior Offshore International, Louis called Dave Holloway up about two months ago when I was at Louis' house. He said "Mr Holloway, I'm going to promise you something, if your daughter is in a metal container out there in that water, we are going to bring her home."

OOPS!

I just read that quote again and ... Tim Miller states that he was at the home of Louis Shaeffer when Shaeffer called Dave Holloway.

Janet
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« Reply #851 on: January 13, 2009, 01:43:03 PM »

Now this one is very interesting................shows HotShot knew Shaefer way back when.

But - we know part of this is incorrect - it was never the Persistence until last minute -and certainly not back in 2006


HotShot:

Hotshot's post:


Quote
snip:  I personally have met with Tim, and Shaefer way back in Jan of 2006 back when they were trying to get things going with the Persistence, and getting the OK to go to Aruban waters.  It was several of us that met with them.  So its not like they lost their monies back in 2006 and waited till almost 2008 to scan for oil, etc....  They were waiting to get the OK from Aruba.  And we all know how long they can take.  Schafer is a Seaman, John is not.  Tim is not, he helps in anyway he can to search for the missing, and if that means on a ship, then so be it.  Either way here, it all comes down to one girl, and that is Natalee, they all came together for Natalee.  Not themselves.  There is always one bad apple in a group, I am not saying that "there was", but IF pics were truly going to be sold for his own purpose "other then the film crew that were on the boat", then shame on him.  I just really don't want to think that is true. 

I'd like to know if Tim Miller contacted Louis Shaefer or if Louis Shaefer contacted Tim Miller.

texasmom ... I could be wrong but ... I believe the following quote implies that Louis Shaefer contacted Dave Holloway and ... then Dave Holloway contacted Tim Miller.  Tim Miller does not say anything about Louis Saefer contacting him.

Janet

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COLBY:  Tim, why are they (Arubans) standing in your way?

MILLER: I don't think they can stand in our way. With the equipment we got and if we have to go in off of Venezuela. Whereever we need to go into, we've got the equipment. In fact they are more than welcome to be on the ship with us. The ships that we are taking over are a 265 foot ship and a 340 foot ship which have all the latest technology on it. In fact the owner of this company, Louis Shaeffer of Superior Offshore International, Louis called Dave Holloway up about two months ago when I was at Louis' house. He said "Mr Holloway, I'm going to promise you something, if your daughter is in a metal container out there in that water, we are going to bring her home."

OOPS!

I just read that quote again and ... Tim Miller states that he was at the home of Louis Shaeffer when Shaeffer called Dave Holloway.

Janet

   I was just reading your post and was about to comment on that. 

I'll go back to listening and whistling, like Nut44X4.....   
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« Reply #852 on: January 13, 2009, 01:46:43 PM »

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http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4269.msg604419#msg604419

She is in the bag, and if you cant see that, i am sorry.  it is plain as day. joran himself says  he put her in the  mangroves, yeah after putting her  in a bag....Shes not been in only one place, we all know that.  And yes i did send CAPS to john,  what of it?

As Beth Holloway would say ... "Greta, I think this is huge."

Hotshot ... it is my contention that CAPS entering the scene had everything to do with distracting attention away the finale' of the great Aruban coverup ... the finale' of the great Aruban coverup which an "American" named John Silvetti participated.

Despicable!!

Janet

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Kyle:
  John is not a believer in the trap. He took ALE's word as gospel that it wasn't case related, yet never studied the videos or bothered to inquire further. He had plans on doing business with Aruba and in S. America and he didn't want to hurt any feelings by talks hinting at lack of complete trust and friendship.

Kyle:   The Persistence had no divers on the 7th. Tim Trahan was our diver on the 30th-Dec, but he was out of the country at the time. The Aruban divers were on the police boat, dove from their boat, and returned to their boat.

Kyle:  The bags were deliberately placed there after the divers sampled the contents. The bags were removed just after the ROV got out of the way when the divers took the samples to their boat.... and took off.

Kyle:   I get done in the survey room backing up the ROV dive and head to the back deck to talk to the Polis divers and see what they sampled and see the Polis boat way in the distance heading away fast. John doesn't seem concerned at all, but I am very dissapointed, concerned, and burning inside because I have a feeling that I/we will never know what they took from the trap. That evening I talked to John asking when we plan on recovering the trap. Previously this was part of the talks and plan, but this time he doesn't seem concerned about ever looking into the trap further. After John verbally BASHED me about the trap for what I said to Tim Miller about the sand body-form and that I believed her skirt was under the sand, John pretty much committed himself to the belief the trap wasn't what we were after. This shocked me because it was exactly what we were looking for- a fish trap lost at sea with human remains.

Kyle:  I took the proportions of the body form from the head, to shoulder, to a 90 degree angle which I believed to be the hem line of Natalee's skirt. I then took those proportions and matched them to the photo of Natalee with what she was last seen wearing. The proportions matched within an inch from head, to shoulder, to skirt line. Based on this comparison and with what we believed we saw in the Dec 29th video, Tim Miller contacted the family and told them the 99.9% comment. I told Tim not to do anything until we have forensic results back after the site is processed. Jan 7th we sampled the contents and in my opinion we found the skirt under the sand along with the other items The blue fabric was found right where the skirt is pictured. If it isn't her, it will forever haunt me as a major cosmic WTF.

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« Reply #853 on: January 13, 2009, 01:51:28 PM »


I'd like to know if Tim Miller contacted Louis Shaefer or if Louis Shaefer contacted Tim Miller.

texasmom ... I could be wrong but ... I believe the following quote implies that Louis Shaefer contacted Dave Holloway and ... then Dave Holloway contacted Tim Miller.  Tim Miller does not say anything about Louis Saefer contacting him.

Janet

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COLBY:  Tim, why are they (Arubans) standing in your way?

MILLER: I don't think they can stand in our way. With the equipment we got and if we have to go in off of Venezuela. Whereever we need to go into, we've got the equipment. In fact they are more than welcome to be on the ship with us. The ships that we are taking over are a 265 foot ship and a 340 foot ship which have all the latest technology on it. In fact the owner of this company, Louis Shaeffer of Superior Offshore International, Louis called Dave Holloway up about two months ago when I was at Louis' house. He said "Mr Holloway, I'm going to promise you something, if your daughter is in a metal container out there in that water, we are going to bring her home."

OOPS!

I just read that quote again and ... Tim Miller states that he was at the home of Louis Shaeffer when Shaeffer called Dave Holloway.

Janet

   I was just reading your post and was about to comment on that. 

I'll go back to listening and whistling, like Nut44X4.....   


I am not on the ball ... lack of sleep.  Hubby and I slept over at our daughter's home last night and ... I had a terrible night.  A different bed does it every time.

 

Janet
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« Reply #854 on: January 13, 2009, 01:56:39 PM »

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http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4269.msg604419#msg604419

She is in the bag, and if you cant see that, i am sorry.  it is plain as day. joran himself says  he put her in the  mangroves, yeah after putting her  in a bag....Shes not been in only one place, we all know that.  And yes i did send CAPS to john,  what of it?

As Beth Holloway would say ... "Greta, I think this is huge."

Hotshot ... it is my contention that CAPS entering the scene had everything to do with distracting attention away the finale' of the great Aruban coverup ... the finale' of the great Aruban coverup which an "American" named John Silvetti participated.

Despicable!!

Janet

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KYLE KINGMAN - IN HIS OWN WORDS

Kyle:
  John is not a believer in the trap. He took ALE's word as gospel that it wasn't case related, yet never studied the videos or bothered to inquire further. He had plans on doing business with Aruba and in S. America and he didn't want to hurt any feelings by talks hinting at lack of complete trust and friendship.

Kyle:   The Persistence had no divers on the 7th. Tim Trahan was our diver on the 30th-Dec, but he was out of the country at the time. The Aruban divers were on the police boat, dove from their boat, and returned to their boat.

Kyle:  The bags were deliberately placed there after the divers sampled the contents. The bags were removed just after the ROV got out of the way when the divers took the samples to their boat.... and took off.

Kyle:   I get done in the survey room backing up the ROV dive and head to the back deck to talk to the Polis divers and see what they sampled and see the Polis boat way in the distance heading away fast. John doesn't seem concerned at all, but I am very dissapointed, concerned, and burning inside because I have a feeling that I/we will never know what they took from the trap. That evening I talked to John asking when we plan on recovering the trap. Previously this was part of the talks and plan, but this time he doesn't seem concerned about ever looking into the trap further. After John verbally BASHED me about the trap for what I said to Tim Miller about the sand body-form and that I believed her skirt was under the sand, John pretty much committed himself to the belief the trap wasn't what we were after. This shocked me because it was exactly what we were looking for- a fish trap lost at sea with human remains.

Kyle:  I took the proportions of the body form from the head, to shoulder, to a 90 degree angle which I believed to be the hem line of Natalee's skirt. I then took those proportions and matched them to the photo of Natalee with what she was last seen wearing. The proportions matched within an inch from head, to shoulder, to skirt line. Based on this comparison and with what we believed we saw in the Dec 29th video, Tim Miller contacted the family and told them the 99.9% comment. I told Tim not to do anything until we have forensic results back after the site is processed. Jan 7th we sampled the contents and in my opinion we found the skirt under the sand along with the other items The blue fabric was found right where the skirt is pictured. If it isn't her, it will forever haunt me as a major cosmic WTF.

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« Reply #855 on: January 13, 2009, 02:14:36 PM »

klaas - that's certainly a possibility.

I guess I don't understand why the need to go the route thru HotShot, since Caps and Dave were emailing each other?

I dont need to prove things to you.  I told you I got CAPS to silvetti, I got CAPS to DAVE.....  then later on CAPS gave me Silvettis number.  That is all there is to it.  I didnt inject myself, I got them in touch with who they needed to get in touch with.  Not a big deal. 

Actually, you do have the burden of proof. From all accounts CAPS has been a distraction to the investigation. Provide us with any information that CAPS has added value to the investigation. The most recent account was there was a major player to be arrested last week...where did that lead us? I can only speak for myself, but I think there are a growing number of monkeys that are tiring of the "I know I am right, but I can't tell you how/why I am right...trust me!"

Kermit has proven to us that things were hinky with Kyle and had the burden of proof to allow us to make a decision on the validity of those facts. Why are you afraid of proving us wrong?
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« Reply #856 on: January 13, 2009, 02:15:59 PM »

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http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4269.msg604419#msg604419

She is in the bag, and if you cant see that, i am sorry.  it is plain as day. joran himself says  he put her in the  mangroves, yeah after putting her  in a bag....Shes not been in only one place, we all know that.  And yes i did send CAPS to john,  what of it?

As Beth Holloway would say ... "Greta, I think this is huge."

Hotshot ... it is my contention that CAPS entering the scene had everything to do with distracting attention away the finale' of the great Aruban coverup ... the finale' of the great Aruban coverup which an "American" named John Silvetti participated.

Despicable!!

Janet

______


KYLE KINGMAN - IN HIS OWN WORDS

Kyle:
  John is not a believer in the trap. He took ALE's word as gospel that it wasn't case related, yet never studied the videos or bothered to inquire further. He had plans on doing business with Aruba and in S. America and he didn't want to hurt any feelings by talks hinting at lack of complete trust and friendship.

Kyle:   The Persistence had no divers on the 7th. Tim Trahan was our diver on the 30th-Dec, but he was out of the country at the time. The Aruban divers were on the police boat, dove from their boat, and returned to their boat.

Kyle:  The bags were deliberately placed there after the divers sampled the contents. The bags were removed just after the ROV got out of the way when the divers took the samples to their boat.... and took off.

Kyle:   I get done in the survey room backing up the ROV dive and head to the back deck to talk to the Polis divers and see what they sampled and see the Polis boat way in the distance heading away fast. John doesn't seem concerned at all, but I am very dissapointed, concerned, and burning inside because I have a feeling that I/we will never know what they took from the trap. That evening I talked to John asking when we plan on recovering the trap. Previously this was part of the talks and plan, but this time he doesn't seem concerned about ever looking into the trap further. After John verbally BASHED me about the trap for what I said to Tim Miller about the sand body-form and that I believed her skirt was under the sand, John pretty much committed himself to the belief the trap wasn't what we were after. This shocked me because it was exactly what we were looking for- a fish trap lost at sea with human remains.

Kyle:  I took the proportions of the body form from the head, to shoulder, to a 90 degree angle which I believed to be the hem line of Natalee's skirt. I then took those proportions and matched them to the photo of Natalee with what she was last seen wearing. The proportions matched within an inch from head, to shoulder, to skirt line. Based on this comparison and with what we believed we saw in the Dec 29th video, Tim Miller contacted the family and told them the 99.9% comment. I told Tim not to do anything until we have forensic results back after the site is processed. Jan 7th we sampled the contents and in my opinion we found the skirt under the sand along with the other items The blue fabric was found right where the skirt is pictured. If it isn't her, it will forever haunt me as a major cosmic WTF.

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If Caps is getting information from Clyde Burke,whom interviewed Paulus on a few occasions.  I personally wouldn't trust Caps! JMOO

The first CAPS' post I read on the Scared Monkey site ... I comprehended perfectly that CAPS had an Aruban agenda ... an Aruban agenda to distract with his cryptic clues that if interpreted correctly would led to the truth.  I articulated my thoughts and ... was shot down.  Two months later MumInOhio also articulated her thoughts ... thoughts that reflect mine.  However ... Mum is now a CAPS supporter.  Why?  What changed?  Have some Monkeys been enlightened while ... other are kept in the dark.  I sincerely want to know.

Janet

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Re: Natalee Case Discussion #789 1/1/09 -
« Reply #450 on: January 02, 2009, 10:35:03 PM »


Mum ... in May, 2008 you had come to a conclusion and ... were not going to uphold CAPS.  You backed up ;your reasoning perfectly and ... I agreed.  Your reasoning was what I had claimed from the getgo ... two months prior.

Mum ... it is so important to me.  I want to know what changed your position.
Sincerely, Janet

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4340.msg609481#msg609481


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Re: Natalee Case Discussion #789 1/1/09 -
« Reply #454 on: January 02, 2009, 11:06:23 PM
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Janet...You are like a pitbull...LOL

Nobody knows my position on this at this time...I am not ready to elaborate any more...I am Sorry.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4340.msg609545;topicseen#msg609545
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« Reply #857 on: January 13, 2009, 02:16:41 PM »

klaas - that's certainly a possibility.

I guess I don't understand why the need to go the route thru HotShot, since Caps and Dave were emailing each other?

I dont need to prove things to you.  I told you I got CAPS to silvetti, I got CAPS to DAVE.....  then later on CAPS gave me Silvettis number.  That is all there is to it.  I didnt inject myself, I got them in touch with who they needed to get in touch with.  Not a big deal. 


Actually, you do have the burden of proof. From all accounts CAPS has been a distraction to the investigation. Provide us with any information that CAPS has added value to the investigation. The most recent account was there was a major player to be arrested last week...where did that lead us? I can only speak for myself, but I think there are a growing number of monkeys that are tiring of the "I know I am right, but I can't tell you how/why I am right...trust me!"

Kermit has proven to us that things were hinky with Kyle and had the burden of proof to allow us to make a decision on the validity of those facts. Why are you afraid of proving us wrong?

Sorry...first post and all. =) Apologies.

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« Reply #858 on: January 13, 2009, 02:22:41 PM »

klaas - that's certainly a possibility.

I guess I don't understand why the need to go the route thru HotShot, since Caps and Dave were emailing each other?

I dont need to prove things to you.  I told you I got CAPS to silvetti, I got CAPS to DAVE.....  then later on CAPS gave me Silvettis number.  That is all there is to it.  I didnt inject myself, I got them in touch with who they needed to get in touch with.  Not a big deal. 

Actually, you do have the burden of proof. From all accounts CAPS has been a distraction to the investigation. Provide us with any information that CAPS has added value to the investigation. The most recent account was there was a major player to be arrested last week...where did that lead us? I can only speak for myself, but I think there are a growing number of monkeys that are tiring of the "I know I am right, but I can't tell you how/why I am right...trust me!"

Kermit has proven to us that things were hinky with Kyle and had the burden of proof to allow us to make a decision on the validity of those facts. Why are you afraid of proving us wrong?

 
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« Reply #859 on: January 13, 2009, 02:26:31 PM »

Magnolia

 


http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4269.msg604419#msg604419

She is in the bag, and if you cant see that, i am sorry.  it is plain as day. joran himself says  he put her in the  mangroves, yeah after putting her  in a bag....Shes not been in only one place, we all know that.  And yes i did send CAPS to john,  what of it?

As Beth Holloway would say ... "Greta, I think this is huge."

Hotshot ... it is my contention that CAPS entering the scene had everything to do with distracting attention away the finale' of the great Aruban coverup ... the finale' of the great Aruban coverup which an "American" named John Silvetti participated.

Despicable!!

Janet

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KYLE KINGMAN - IN HIS OWN WORDS

Kyle:
  John is not a believer in the trap. He took ALE's word as gospel that it wasn't case related, yet never studied the videos or bothered to inquire further. He had plans on doing business with Aruba and in S. America and he didn't want to hurt any feelings by talks hinting at lack of complete trust and friendship.

Kyle:   The Persistence had no divers on the 7th. Tim Trahan was our diver on the 30th-Dec, but he was out of the country at the time. The Aruban divers were on the police boat, dove from their boat, and returned to their boat.

Kyle:  The bags were deliberately placed there after the divers sampled the contents. The bags were removed just after the ROV got out of the way when the divers took the samples to their boat.... and took off.

Kyle:   I get done in the survey room backing up the ROV dive and head to the back deck to talk to the Polis divers and see what they sampled and see the Polis boat way in the distance heading away fast. John doesn't seem concerned at all, but I am very dissapointed, concerned, and burning inside because I have a feeling that I/we will never know what they took from the trap. That evening I talked to John asking when we plan on recovering the trap. Previously this was part of the talks and plan, but this time he doesn't seem concerned about ever looking into the trap further. After John verbally BASHED me about the trap for what I said to Tim Miller about the sand body-form and that I believed her skirt was under the sand, John pretty much committed himself to the belief the trap wasn't what we were after. This shocked me because it was exactly what we were looking for- a fish trap lost at sea with human remains.

Kyle:  I took the proportions of the body form from the head, to shoulder, to a 90 degree angle which I believed to be the hem line of Natalee's skirt. I then took those proportions and matched them to the photo of Natalee with what she was last seen wearing. The proportions matched within an inch from head, to shoulder, to skirt line. Based on this comparison and with what we believed we saw in the Dec 29th video, Tim Miller contacted the family and told them the 99.9% comment. I told Tim not to do anything until we have forensic results back after the site is processed. Jan 7th we sampled the contents and in my opinion we found the skirt under the sand along with the other items The blue fabric was found right where the skirt is pictured. If it isn't her, it will forever haunt me as a major cosmic WTF.

+++++





If Caps is getting information from Clyde Burke,whom interviewed Paulus on a few occasions.  I personally wouldn't trust Caps! JMOO

The first CAPS' post I read on the Scared Monkey site ... I comprehended perfectly that CAPS had an Aruban agenda ... an Aruban agenda to distract with his cryptic clues that if interpreted correctly would led to the truth.  I articulated my thoughts and ... was shot down.  Two months later MumInOhio also articulated her thoughts ... thoughts that reflect mine.  However ... Mum is now a CAPS supporter.  Why?  What changed?  Have some Monkeys been enlightened while ... other are kept in the dark.  I sincerely want to know.

Janet

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Re: Natalee Case Discussion #789 1/1/09 -
« Reply #450 on: January 02, 2009, 10:35:03 PM »


Mum ... in May, 2008 you had come to a conclusion and ... were not going to uphold CAPS.  You backed up ;your reasoning perfectly and ... I agreed.  Your reasoning was what I had claimed from the getgo ... two months prior.

Mum ... it is so important to me.  I want to know what changed your position.
Sincerely, Janet

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4340.msg609481#msg609481


MumInOhio
Re: Natalee Case Discussion #789 1/1/09 -
« Reply #454 on: January 02, 2009, 11:06:23 PM
»

Janet...You are like a pitbull...LOL

Nobody knows my position on this at this time...I am not ready to elaborate any more...I am Sorry.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4340.msg609545;topicseen#msg609545


How can one Trust CapsLockWizard?I've also read that there are another two witnesses that were supposed to come forward.I personally haven't seen it happen yet!Major arrest's,more witnesses.What's the hold up?It's been almost 4 years.
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