Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, Missing 6/16/08 Orlando FL (Remains Found) #88

[Sassycat]

the thing that bothers me (and believe me there are ALOT of them)... is just WHAT DID casey spend all of her free time DOING? IF SHE WASNT WORKING ... where WAS she? what DID she do? will the computers tell us that? did she just drive around? did ANYONE ever SEE her anywhere (besides the guy who THOUGHT he saw her joggiing) and the TARGET stores and such.. WHERE WAS SHE?

didnt ANYONE ever see her? now that it is so high profile, didnt ANYONE come forward to say..oh yeah..i saw her  with or without the baby HERE, or THERE, or parked  or AT the park..or ANYWHERE?

did she always go back after friends or family went to work and sneak back to hang out?

where WAS she.. what was she DOING???

I've wondered and asked months ago if anyone thought she was maybe hanging out at Lee's house . . . . surely, he knew the truth about her.

Me, too.  There are so many indications (as noted here and elsewhere) that Lee's house could have been a hiding place from her parents, or her getaway retreat at times.  Maybe he knew, and maybe he didn't.
Didn't Lee's job take him out of town an awful lot?  What about his roommate, Brian?  Did he maybe work long hours?  Perhaps Lee's house was often empty, and she could have been there without either of them being home

I dont see her going to hang out at Lee's during the day.  Lee lived right down the street from Cindy...Cindy is nosey.  She would see KC's car there at some point and I'm sure Cindy had people from work or friends (if she had any friends) probably lookin out for KC during the day...plus George was unemployed.  It would be very easy for her to get caught by a family member during the day if she was hanging at Lee's.  I dont know where she went but I dont believe it was Lee's.  MOO.

I've wondered if she would just park her car in the woods (maybe up by the airport) during the day and just run her mouth on the cell phone.  She didn't have anything else to do!    Poor Caylee was probably ignored all the time.     

[Shan1628]

Hi and bye to monkeys going to bed.  Wow, some really good reading in these theories about the ZG and t zone.  More to confuse me with    Hey, I was watching this inventions show, and there is a mri out now, that can actually tell what your brain is thinking.  it was pretty amazing, cant wait till it comes out, then we could shove caseys head in it and find out the truth 

Hi Lucinda... long time no see.

Great idea about the mind-reading MRI.  Now that would be something.

Actually, I just loved it that you used "shove" and "Casey's head" in the same sentence!
 

OH Lucinda, you are a hoot!!!!!   

[txlisa]

Good Morning Monkeys!

I found this you-tube video "Breakfast with Caylee".  I haven't seen it before, but I assume it was Casey videotaping Caylee when she was about a year and a half.  Thoughts?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQBKRSWMWhA

Lisa

[Shan1628]

RESPECTIVELY snipped for space only------
Okay, here is something, Brachiate:  I found a good recent discussion about the possible porn connection. 
Here is the link:
http://cayleeanthony.wordpress.com/2008/12/08/anthonys-on-states-decision-against-death/
"Crime Searchers Online" (A wordpress blog)

You have to scroll down beneath the blog post, quite a few comments down, to where the discussion starts.  Here are the first few:

#
orlmom, on December 8th, 2008 at 11:20 am Said:

Do you think LE’s looked into the porn connection? I wonder if there’s much more there than we know.

It’s strange that a photo surfaces, than the subject seemed to disappear. Maybe it wasn’t her. I’ve always suspected that porn had been her “part-time” job. If one or two photos existed, and it IS Casey, there have to be videos and hundreds of other photos that could connect LE with a host of further people to interview.
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Jadan, on December 8th, 2008 at 11:21 am Said:

I think so Orlmom…remember the 1,200 photos they told GA about….
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orlmom, on December 8th, 2008 at 11:22 am Said:

I missed that whole story. They told George about 1,200 photos? Did he verify that was his daughter in the photos?

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Didnt LP once say that he has seen all these pics?  I always thought she was involved in porn industry, thats where she went on those "working" days IMO.  The only thing that is questionable, is her lack of money, dont porn stars make heaps? 
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Maybe she was a terrible PORN STAR???? 

[Shan1628]

WORDS OR PHRASES I'D LIKE TO SEE BANNED FOR 2009 

BOMBSHELL
ABSOLUTELY
FROM DAY ONE
IN A BACKWARDS KINDA WAY
NANNY
CASEY, MOTHER OF THE YEAR
IMMUNITY



NOT GUILTY
ANTHING THAT COMES OUT OF CINDY'S MOUTH

Ok, Dottie, I'm gonna go with CASEY and MOTHER in the same sentence.   

[theboyzmom]

WORDS OR PHRASES I'D LIKE TO SEE BANNED FOR 2009 

BOMBSHELL
ABSOLUTELY
FROM DAY ONE
IN A BACKWARDS KINDA WAY
NANNY
CASEY, MOTHER OF THE YEAR
IMMUNITY



NOT GUILTY
ANTHING THAT COMES OUT OF CINDY'S MOUTH

Ok, Dottie, I'm gonna go with CASEY and MOTHER in the same sentence.   

I don't know - I can think of a phrase with Casey and mother in it  . . .   

[kitkat53]

Mornin monkey's. Gosh it doesn't seem like Saturday. This week as flown by. Just wanted to say mornin to ya'll I am off to catch up.

[Dolce]

Skip Davis, is a former producer of Inside Edition, in the Bill O'Reilly days.. He is the person that made the connection of Baez to Leonard Padilla, if you recall LP referred to him as a "longtime journalist friend".. He also Knows Geraldo well.

I would venture to say, he probably brought Todd Black *cough* to the party as well. As far as Larry Garrison, he approached the family on his own.

Interesting.  Do you have a link for this info? 

[Dolce]

I think at this point the Anthony Yorkies have their own lawyer. Hell if I were their mailman, I'd have a fricking lawyer! You just never know with these people! No wonder they don't have any friends, I'd be nervous as hell that they would implicate me because I brought over a plate of brownies 2 years ago!!
 

      Boo  -  you're so funny.   But, how true!

Its funny, but so true!  No one is safe with them...look at Zanaida Gonzalez.  She was not who Casey was "talking about", but still her life was ruined.

[Searching]

Hi Monkeys. What is the latest on the find on the houses by the site from last night?? anyone?? There is someone on topix saying they have proven it to be false information..

[BooMonkey]

Excellent post Luckycharmsprincess! I'm sorry about the ditching comment, Seasearcher was poking at me and I got distracted. 

[BluesyGram]

I have no doubt in my mind that the whole family are involved with the cover up.  Not the murder, but i am convinced they knew after that first arrest after the 911 call.  I always thought that.  Cindy looked so sick at the start cos she really was devastated to lose caylee, and that took a toll on her health, and having her daughter locked up, also affected her.  However, i believe the family got together and decided to save casey (after all, its their flesh and blood).  Then, the money offers come pouring in, and they became celeb status in their own sick and twisted minds, with ambitions of million dollar book deals etc.  this family has always been about money.  The luxurious motels and fights, interviews on tv, it all suddenly made their mundane and troubled lives exciting.  I know it sounds shocking, but I believe they always knew caylee was dead, and casey murdered her.  They dumped on LP, nancy grace and Tim, cos they were searching for a "dead" caylee.  they didnt want her found.  the money would stop coming in if they found her body.  They did this bullshit plan to continue searches, bogus sightings etc, to get money and free flights, paid for photos etc.  i know its all been said before.  as for the D casey PI and probing with evidence, that is enough to convict the whole lot of them for obstruction, especially DC.  Off my soap box now sorry.

I couldn't agree with you more Lucinda.  Unfortunately, it is as simple as you stated.

[no rose colored glasses]

I've been reading what the legal analyst who saw the PI video is saying about the video, what stuck out was D Casey picked up what appeared to be a blanket and tossed it aside. The configuration of pavers or concrete blocks is interesting, maybe Casey put the pavers or blocks to make it look like a shamrock.

[no rose colored glasses]

Excellent post Luckycharmsprincess! I'm sorry about the ditching comment, Seasearcher was poking at me and I got distracted. 

That goes for me also, enjoy reading your posts very much.

[luckycharmsprincess]

I've been ditched!! Did you see that?? I asked luckycharmsprincess a question and she logged off and totally ditched me!! 

OH Boo! I wouldn't do that to you!
Please understand, my responses are usually long! Today I had 5 kids and a sleepover to deal with while I was writing so it took me longer than normal. But if you ever have any questions, I am giving my permission to Klaas to give out my email address, it's not a problem. But I did respond a few pages from your original question!

Monkey Hugz,
Lissa

[BooMonkey]

I've been ditched!! Did you see that?? I asked luckycharmsprincess a question and she logged off and totally ditched me!! 

OH Boo! I wouldn't do that to you!
Please understand, my responses are usually long! Today I had 5 kids and a sleepover to deal with while I was writing so it took me longer than normal. But if you ever have any questions, I am giving my permission to Klaas to give out my email address, it's not a problem. But I did respond a few pages from your original question!

Monkey Hugz,
Lissa

  5 kids eh? That would do me in!! Thanks, I love your perspective!!

[Sea Searcher]

Excellent post Luckycharmsprincess! I'm sorry about the ditching comment, Seasearcher was poking at me and I got distracted. 

[Brachiate]

This is a long post, but I wanted to cite the sources that I used to draw my conclusion. These are my thoughts only. I have no ‘inside’ information. I may be wrong.  I would be very happy to be wrong.

OzInterest posted these things about her husband…

December 22, 2008, 06:14:56 AM
“My Hubby is in LE here and is in the MIG group, which covers only major crime. He has had some "official" contact with LE involved in this case and let me tell you that there will be some explosions "if" it goes to trial.”

And

December 22, 2008, 07:01:03 AM
“He is, very good at his job and is definately one of the good cops.
This is not the first time he has had input into a case in the US, being in the group his talents are sought after world wide. Some of the things he has seen and dealt with are sickening. I can't really tell you why he is involved but sufficed to say that he hasn't told me everything he knows either.”

I wondered why Australian LE would be involved in a Florida murder case. It’s a ghastly case to be sure, but ‘american slut murders her baby’ wouldn’t normally merit international LE involvement. And then I found this…       

The Australian Federal Police (AFP) is involved in international activities in the following categories: Terrorism, Natural Disasters, Human Trafficking, and Child Protection Operations.   

http://www.afp.gov.au/international/child_protection_operations.html
“Child Protection Operations -- The AFP has a significant role to play in ensuring children and young people are safe, no matter what environment they are in. In fulfilling this role, the AFP has forged strong partnerships with all Australian law enforcement agencies as well as many international agencies. The AFP, through its High Tech Crime Operations unit, is responsible for the investigation of crimes associated with Online Child Sex Exploitation and Child Sex Tourism. The AFP is also a member of the Virtual Global Taskforce, an alliance made up of law enforcement agencies around the world who are working together to fight online child abuse.”

Furthermore, I noticed the following international child porn joint-investigations all made a large number of arrests in November and December of 2008.

Australia “Operation Resistance”
http://www.theage.com.au/national/retired-qc-among-19-men-in-child-porn-arrests-20081211-6wsb.html

Canada & Europe “Operation Koala”
http://www.cbc.ca/canada/edmonton/story/2008/01/16/koala-follo.html

United States “Operation Joint Hammer”
http://www.ice.gov/pi/nr/0812/081212washington.htm

With Desdemona’s help, I found this transcript.  It mentions the 1,200 pictures that Sergeant John Allen refers to when interviewing George on July 24th 2008.  This is the same interview that made George so ill he left the room and vomited. These pictures have not been released to the media/public. 
http://www.cfnews13.com/uploadedFiles/georgeanthony%20july24.pdf

And then I saw this post from luckycharmsprincess

January 09, 2009, 11:06:26 PM
“And lastly, let's not forget that there was a SEX CRIME unit that went to the Anthony house in August. I'm not sure if this is standard practice. And there were two men from out of state who had mentioned some sort of sexual photos. I don't believe anyone has followed up on this.”

I have not been able to find another source that reports the presence of a Sex Crime unit at the Anthony’s home. But I’m sure that’s a reflection of my ability to research and not a problem with luckycharmsprincess' memory.

So, taking all that information into consideration, I believe that while investigating Caylee’s murder, LE found a connection to child pornography.  And is investigating this as a separate case from the murder.     

Anybody else have any thoughts about this? I would be happy to be wrong.

Brachiate

[Searching]

Am I an invisible monkey today? I am trying to find out the latest on the houses by the site.. I seen a post on topix that bothered... It was the way it was put and I would never want it to look like the monkeys are putting false information out there.

[trimmonthelake]

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I have a question for luckycharmsprincess. What are your impressions of Lee, his dynamics in the family and possibly his role in all this? Inquiring minds want to know!! 

Boo,That would be interesting. 

Hi Boo and Trimonthelake,

It is a bit harder to decipher Lee because he hasn't put himself 'out there' in the media like George and Cindy. Here is what I think and again, it is only my speculation from the limited things I have seen.

Even though Lee lived very close to the Anthony home, I do not feel he was a son who spent a lot of his time there. He was close enough if they needed something but had his own life. He definitely has a very odd demeanor. George claims he is the level headed one but as everyone knows, he chuckles regarding the smell of death in the car. Of course we are thinking, why would you be chuckling when you know Caylee is missing? He mentions to the detectives that Casey said, Well maybe I am a spiteful bitch. That conversation seems to be incriminating to Casey. There is a point when he is talking to Casey in jail about her Blackjack phone, even he starts to say, Ok, I am confused...because her story about the SIM cards doesn't add up.

Now that they have said it looks like Casey acted alone, we can assume his fingerprints were not on the duct tape. However, I think that Lee (by doing his own investigation) was the one who passed the information from the priest to Dominic Casey. Casey did not allow any visits from Lee after a certain point and since all jail communication is monitored (letters) I doubt he would have gotten it from Casey directly. It doesn't look like Baez has a good relationship with George or Cindy or Lee so it's hard to believe it came from him. After the body was found, Casey denied the priests visit. Why? Casey's behavior is like a 10 year old, when she feels someone has wronged her, she stomps off and slams the door, making herself in control of the situation. We've seen this throughout the case. Why would she deny the priest's visit unless she feels 'wronged' by him in some way? She doesn't like people she cannot control. Perhaps while keeping her guilt confidential, he (the priest) could not handle the thought of this little angel being out in those woods. Perhaps he told Lee and then Lee told the investigators and this is why Dominic Casey was out there. This would still protect Casey and at the same time give Caylee peace.

I think Lee has been the 'protective brother' because he knows Casey has these limitations, ie, stealing money, lying, etc. I'm sure while they were in HS, he covered for her to avoid her getting into trouble with Cindy. Because she has always been this way, they have always been subject to placating her.

Lee's hair has gone from dark brown to grey which leads me to believe he has been under a lot of stress. He recently moved in with George and Cindy and it shows to me that he is the obligated son. I do not think he enjoys being there one bit as it a constant reminder of Caylee and he wanted to distance himself, now he can't do that.

As far as the DNA and lie detector tests go, I think he is suspect of the OSCO. Cindy has made it clear that they have been victims of the OSCO. In the beginning he seemed co-operative but since then, he has been resistant on any compliance issue. Of course this makes him look guilty. If the Anthony family believed the OSCO were trying to frame Casey, maybe he also felt that giving up any information would be twisted to their liking. Or maybe he just wanted to be compelled to do it.

This entire thing has become about protecting Casey. Who in this family is protecting Caylee? Casey has made them all feel bad for her. I don't know if this applies to Lee as it does to George and Cindy as we haven't seen much verbosity out of him. During the initial jail calls, she seems to be giddy, almost flirtatious with him. Do I think Lee is the father? Possibly, 75% chance. Casey told Jesse she was molested by George and Lee. While incest is prevalent in our society, just rarely spoken (or even counseled) about, to have it run with both males in a single family is harder to believe, even though the many PORN sites would have us think differently. I would believe that Casey is the one who tried to have a sexual relationship with Lee rather than the other way around. Keep in mind, Casey says things to get her what she wants at that moment. She wanted sympathy from Jesse when she disclosed this information to him. She will say or do whatever she needs to do to get her way.

I think Lee is smart, maybe the smartest one of the Anthonys. Distancing himself was his way of coping. Everyone has different coping mechanisms and while distancing may not be what we do, keep in mind, some people do. In general people want to believe the bad in someone rather than the good. Why? The "good" is boring. The "bad" is much more juicy.

Bottom line, Lee is frustrated. He has to be the parents of George and Cindy now from a financial perspective, how does he repair his life? From what I've read and see, I think Lee's involvement is limited to the passing of the clues to where the body was and being a pawn of Casey.

It doesn't seem like the Anthonys understand that by protecting Casey, they are dis-honoring Caylee. Why this isn't apparent to them is a huge disconnect in this case. This has invited speculation and abomination into their lives. Unfortuately, they have made their choices on where their loyalties lie. Actions speak louder than words. This is a phrase I tell everyone I counsel. Look at the actions. The actions should support the words. When they do not, something is WRONG.

On another note: I also wanted to say this....and I believe this is quoting a line from the movie, ONE HOUR PHOTO....Robin William's character says (paraphrasing here), "If aliens were to come down and look at our photos, they would think we lived this amazing life, one without pain or problems, always happy, always celebrating." This is what the photos of the Anthony family have been. This is why it is so hard to believe Casey is capable of murdering her little girl. We have to stop and remember that this family probably suffered from the same issues we all deal with in life, perhaps much darker, sinister and complicated.

Luckycharmprincess,Thank you so much for your response. Great post.