Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, Missing 6/16/08 Orlando FL (Remains Found) #88

[trimmonthelake]

And if I were Casey Anthony I'd be more likely to do a White Pages search than a OC Tax Assessors search.  Also, we aren't talking about the owners of the properties, we are talking about names and address of people AT those addresses.    They could be renters for all I know or relatives of the owners.

MY POINT EXACTLY KLAAS!

Come on people how smart can Casey Anthony be?  She was looking up shovels on the internet for crying out loud!  She drove around town in a car that ran out of gas frequently while toting the body of her dead child.  She is not smarter than a 5th grader...

A agree Dolce.The 5th grader part...well that's funny.I don't care who you are. 

[trimmonthelake]

    leeniebeenie wrote:
    <quoted text>
    On the Whitepages.com site, the last tab at the top of the page is "Add your own listing"
    Someone is smokin monkey crack, the names of those people do not match any other public records. I think someone "added their own listing" to whitepages.com .


OK, NOW IM GETTING ANGRY!!!

need a mad monkey thingy..

TOPIX...SOUNDS TO ME LIKE YOU ALL ARE JUST WHINEY BABIES CAUSE YOU DID NOT FIND IT FIRST!

SHUT YOUR PIE HOLE AND KISS MY PREGNANT BOOTY!  MONKEYS RULE - GO LEACH OFF ANOTHER SITE AND LURK ELSE WERE.

      I second that.   

I third it. 

[seemeatthebeach]

Am I an invisible monkey today? I am trying to find out the latest on the houses by the site.. I seen a post on topix that bothered... It was the way it was put and I would never want it to look like the monkeys are putting false information out there.

Do you have a link to the post that you are referring too?

The topix post? yes I do.

http://www.topix.com/forum/county/orange-fl/T4UHQV6DMIUFOA9C5/p2825

and here is the post.. the person is referring to the info from here last night on the 2 houses and maps here.


    Sami82 wrote:
    <quoted text>
    I read on another thread that Caylee was found behind two houses. The two houses belong to someone with the first name of Zanaida and the other house belongs to someone with the last name of Gonzalez...hummmmm.... Did Casey know this???? I know Casey saw or got Zanaida'a info from the card at Saw Grass Apts. This just seems SOOO weird. Your thoughts....

This is TOTALLY FALSE information, I already provided the correct information from OC Tax Collector site a few pages back.

I know it was not you who wrote this Searching, but if the person at Topix had taken the time to read the entire posts from last night they would realize that we TOO found the County Docs for both houses and saw that they were owned by different people. 
HOWEVER, when you look the addresses up on Whitepages, a search that someone who was just skimming for names as Casey might have been and not thinking to go to the courts records, you would find that the names WE THE MONKEYS found last night on Whitepages to list the Zanaida and the Gonzales. 
TOPIX if you are going to quote us, atleast get your facts straight...READ IT ALL!  This is why I do not post at other forums...I would be banned for telling off people!

And if I were Casey Anthony I'd be more likely to do a White Pages search than a OC Tax Assessors search.  Also, we aren't talking about the owners of the properties, we are talking about names and address of people AT those addresses.    They could be renters for all I know or relatives of the owners.

GMTA Klaas....guess I didn't read far enough to see your comment basically says what mine says.

[Kat_Gram]

The talking heads on NG seem to think that Baez is doing his job so far.
I agree. He is getting what he is entitled to under the law. He is the one gathering all of the information and getting the experts lined up.
I hope the SA prosecutor isn't going to think they can take advantage of his lack of trial experience and expertise because when this goes to trial, Baez won't be driving the bus, it will be Linda Kenny-Baden. A formidable lawyer who is a forensic lawyer. Baez ( I think ) has plenty of input from legal experts behind the scenes. Plus, he gets some clues from watching NG. LOL

[Sassycat]

Brachiate... I've been wondering why LE from out of the country would be involved also, I tend to think there is a possiblility of pornography also, those 1200 pictures keep coming up, there has to be something there, I could see if there was a handful of pics of Casey in compromising positions, but 1200? There is something more going on.

Honestly, I re-read Brachiate's post again and I definitely think (as bad as I dont wanna) that there is definitely "something" there that we need to look into more.  MOO.
She definitely had the time to do this "stuff."  Plus Caylee was getting to an age where she could start saying alot more and making more conversation.  KC might've been afraid she'd "tell"  IMO.  IDK but Brachiate...I'm gonna look into this (god, as much as I dont wanna).  

You are definately on to something big.    Wasn't there a guest not long ago on SM Radio that talked about how choloform was used in child porn - and xanex - because it would make the child not remember what was going on afterwards?

[cherjers]

This is a long post, but I wanted to cite the sources that I used to draw my conclusion. These are my thoughts only. I have no ‘inside’ information. I may be wrong.  I would be very happy to be wrong.

OzInterest posted these things about her husband…

December 22, 2008, 06:14:56 AM
“My Hubby is in LE here and is in the MIG group, which covers only major crime. He has had some "official" contact with LE involved in this case and let me tell you that there will be some explosions "if" it goes to trial.”

And

December 22, 2008, 07:01:03 AM
“He is, very good at his job and is definately one of the good cops.
This is not the first time he has had input into a case in the US, being in the group his talents are sought after world wide. Some of the things he has seen and dealt with are sickening. I can't really tell you why he is involved but sufficed to say that he hasn't told me everything he knows either.”

I wondered why Australian LE would be involved in a Florida murder case. It’s a ghastly case to be sure, but ‘american slut murders her baby’ wouldn’t normally merit international LE involvement. And then I found this…       

The Australian Federal Police (AFP) is involved in international activities in the following categories: Terrorism, Natural Disasters, Human Trafficking, and Child Protection Operations.   

http://www.afp.gov.au/international/child_protection_operations.html
“Child Protection Operations -- The AFP has a significant role to play in ensuring children and young people are safe, no matter what environment they are in. In fulfilling this role, the AFP has forged strong partnerships with all Australian law enforcement agencies as well as many international agencies. The AFP, through its High Tech Crime Operations unit, is responsible for the investigation of crimes associated with Online Child Sex Exploitation and Child Sex Tourism. The AFP is also a member of the Virtual Global Taskforce, an alliance made up of law enforcement agencies around the world who are working together to fight online child abuse.”

Furthermore, I noticed the following international child porn joint-investigations all made a large number of arrests in November and December of 2008.

Australia “Operation Resistance”
http://www.theage.com.au/national/retired-qc-among-19-men-in-child-porn-arrests-20081211-6wsb.html

Canada & Europe “Operation Koala”
http://www.cbc.ca/canada/edmonton/story/2008/01/16/koala-follo.html

United States “Operation Joint Hammer”
http://www.ice.gov/pi/nr/0812/081212washington.htm

With Desdemona’s help, I found this transcript.  It mentions the 1,200 pictures that Sergeant John Allen refers to when interviewing George on July 24th 2008.  This is the same interview that made George so ill he left the room and vomited. These pictures have not been released to the media/public. 
http://www.cfnews13.com/uploadedFiles/georgeanthony%20july24.pdf

And then I saw this post from luckycharmsprincess

January 09, 2009, 11:06:26 PM
“And lastly, let's not forget that there was a SEX CRIME unit that went to the Anthony house in August. I'm not sure if this is standard practice. And there were two men from out of state who had mentioned some sort of sexual photos. I don't believe anyone has followed up on this.”

I have not been able to find another source that reports the presence of a Sex Crime unit at the Anthony’s home. But I’m sure that’s a reflection of my ability to research and not a problem with luckycharmsprincess' memory.

So, taking all that information into consideration, I believe that while investigating Caylee’s murder, LE found a connection to child pornography.  And is investigating this as a separate case from the murder.     

Anybody else have any thoughts about this? I would be happy to be wrong.

Brachiate

This is an extremely informative and X-cellent post.  I hope it NOT to be true but the way you placed your sources and your opinion has me thinking otherwise.  As I read it, I really wanted to vomit and pass out
God, I hope that isnt true.  Seems it could be another motive for killing Caylee if this is what KC was doing during the day.  Maybe she was ready to be nailed for this.  I'm not gonna go any further till we know for sure.  It literally makes me sick. 

Very good post. I agree the thought of this makes me sick as well. I am sitting here in tears just thinking about it and I pray, oh how I pray something like this didn't happen to poor Caylee.

Are you saying these pictures were of Caylee-and if so LE told George about them.   Not even George could go on standing by KC if he knew she used  Caylee for child porn

I dont know what those pics were of.  However, I wouldn't put it past KC to do something like that with Caylee.  She was all about money.  We just need to see what happens.  I dont know what to think.  Everything in regards to my posts here are MY OPINION ONLY.  I dont want to start rumors if that isnt true....it's sick.

  Dont worry ABOUT RUMORS IN THIS CASE-ANYTHING COULD BE TRUE  -I WAS JUST WONDERING IF THAT IS WHAT YOU MEANT-WASNT SURE IF YOU WERE TALKING ABOUT --- KC OR CAYLEE  MY BRAIN HAS GONE TO MUSH FROM THIS CASE

[Sea Searcher]

TOPIX if you are going to quote us, atleast get your facts straight...READ IT ALL!  This is why I do not post at other forums...I would be banned for telling off people!

Hope this works

[Russ]

Am I an invisible monkey today? I am trying to find out the latest on the houses by the site.. I seen a post on topix that bothered... It was the way it was put and I would never want it to look like the monkeys are putting false information out there.

Do you have a link to the post that you are referring too?

The topix post? yes I do.

http://www.topix.com/forum/county/orange-fl/T4UHQV6DMIUFOA9C5/p2825

and here is the post.. the person is referring to the info from here last night on the 2 houses and maps here.


    Sami82 wrote:
    <quoted text>
    I read on another thread that Caylee was found behind two houses. The two houses belong to someone with the first name of Zanaida and the other house belongs to someone with the last name of Gonzalez...hummmmm.... Did Casey know this???? I know Casey saw or got Zanaida'a info from the card at Saw Grass Apts. This just seems SOOO weird. Your thoughts....

This is TOTALLY FALSE information, I already provided the correct information from OC Tax Collector site a few pages back.

I know it was not you who wrote this Searching, but if the person at Topix had taken the time to read the entire posts from last night they would realize that we TOO found the County Docs for both houses and saw that they were owned by different people. 
HOWEVER, when you look the addresses up on Whitepages, a search that someone who was just skimming for names as Casey might have been and not thinking to go to the courts records, you would find that the names WE THE MONKEYS found last night on Whitepages to list the Zanaida and the Gonzales. 
TOPIX if you are going to quote us, atleast get your facts straight...READ IT ALL!  This is why I do not post at other forums...I would be banned for telling off people!

And if I were Casey Anthony I'd be more likely to do a White Pages search than a OC Tax Assessors search.  Also, we aren't talking about the owners of the properties, we are talking about names and address of people AT those addresses.    They could be renters for all I know or relatives of the owners.

Basically this person is insinuating that a monkey ADDED the name etc to white pages... I pasted the post here..

Early this morning I did more cross referencing to other lookup services and posted the information here.  Superpages does not list the Zanaida and lists the Gonzalez person as Fred and a female too.  Zabasearch did not list the Zanaida at that address.  Phonebook.com did however.  It indicates it is either a person that rented there at some time, or has little ss activity and court activity.  The Anthony family would have good cause, more importantly Casey, to know the people in the neighborhood that have lived there or live there now.

[Dolce]

The talking heads on NG seem to think that Baez is doing his job so far.
I agree. He is getting what he is entitled to under the law. He is the one gathering all of the information and getting the experts lined up.
I hope the SA prosecutor isn't going to think they can take advantage of his lack of trial experience and expertise because when this goes to trial, Baez won't be driving the bus, it will be Linda Kenny-Baden. A formidable lawyer who is a forensic lawyer. Baez ( I think ) has plenty of input from legal experts behind the scenes. Plus, he gets some clues from watching NG. LOL

Baez is most certainly doing his job, he is throwing smoke screens and idiocracies everywhere.  He is living up to the definition of a Sleezy Defense attorney...not to be confused with a regular defense attorney who may not get as "dirty" as Baez has...just ask the "Former" Mrs. Baez.

[Sassycat]

Brachiate... I've been wondering why LE from out of the country would be involved also, I tend to think there is a possiblility of pornography also, those 1200 pictures keep coming up, there has to be something there, I could see if there was a handful of pics of Casey in compromising positions, but 1200? There is something more going on.

Honestly, I re-read Brachiate's post again and I definitely think (as bad as I dont wanna) that there is definitely "something" there that we need to look into more.  MOO.
She definitely had the time to do this "stuff."  Plus Caylee was getting to an age where she could start saying alot more and making more conversation.  KC might've been afraid she'd "tell"  IMO.  IDK but Brachiate...I'm gonna look into this (god, as much as I dont wanna).  

From Brachiate's post, there will be some explosions "if" it goes to trial. After hearing Wendy Murphy a few weeks back on Dana's radio show, about chloroform being used for child pornography, I had to step back and prepare myself, if this was what was going on. The thought had entered my mind for a brief minute about the pornography angle, but I'm seriously wondering about that statement explosions "if" it goes to trial.

Sorry NRCG - I didn't see your post when I posted mine.     

[rmcalo]

In Kio's first interview with LE, she mentions that there is a Zenaida in her and Casey's neighborhood; that Zenaida subsequently got married and moved away. This is explained somewhere in the Casey documents from LE. I will find it. So, there was a Zenaida living there. I believe her full name WAS actually Zenaida Gonzalez before she got married. I just need to find this. Basically, I think Casey left Caylee in the former backyard of the ZG she knew from her neighborhood, who no longer lives there. I was going to post this last night, but we had guests and I did not have time.

[Dolce]

TOPIX if you are going to quote us, atleast get your facts straight...READ IT ALL!  This is why I do not post at other forums...I would be banned for telling off people!

Hope this works

Hey SS you are the 3rd person I know to tell me I remind them of the girl from "Cheaper By The Dozen 2".  LOL

[Kat_Gram]

Hey, those Topix ppl are pretty good. I have read there and also Fox Orlando.
One thing that I read there that fizzled with no further info was about the chloroform.
Someone popped in and spoke as if they knew what they were talking bout . They said something to the effect that there was chloroform in a bottle stolen from a house of a " friend " or someone that Casey knew. The person had it so they could do things ( I guess toe nail clipping / teeth brushing  ) to their dogs. Oh it will all come out. We still haven't seen Annie's official statement have we ?     

[Sassycat]

This is a long post, but I wanted to cite the sources that I used to draw my conclusion. These are my thoughts only. I have no ‘inside’ information. I may be wrong.  I would be very happy to be wrong.

OzInterest posted these things about her husband…

December 22, 2008, 06:14:56 AM
“My Hubby is in LE here and is in the MIG group, which covers only major crime. He has had some "official" contact with LE involved in this case and let me tell you that there will be some explosions "if" it goes to trial.”

And

December 22, 2008, 07:01:03 AM
“He is, very good at his job and is definately one of the good cops.
This is not the first time he has had input into a case in the US, being in the group his talents are sought after world wide. Some of the things he has seen and dealt with are sickening. I can't really tell you why he is involved but sufficed to say that he hasn't told me everything he knows either.”

I wondered why Australian LE would be involved in a Florida murder case. It’s a ghastly case to be sure, but ‘american slut murders her baby’ wouldn’t normally merit international LE involvement. And then I found this…       

The Australian Federal Police (AFP) is involved in international activities in the following categories: Terrorism, Natural Disasters, Human Trafficking, and Child Protection Operations.   

http://www.afp.gov.au/international/child_protection_operations.html
“Child Protection Operations -- The AFP has a significant role to play in ensuring children and young people are safe, no matter what environment they are in. In fulfilling this role, the AFP has forged strong partnerships with all Australian law enforcement agencies as well as many international agencies. The AFP, through its High Tech Crime Operations unit, is responsible for the investigation of crimes associated with Online Child Sex Exploitation and Child Sex Tourism. The AFP is also a member of the Virtual Global Taskforce, an alliance made up of law enforcement agencies around the world who are working together to fight online child abuse.”

Furthermore, I noticed the following international child porn joint-investigations all made a large number of arrests in November and December of 2008.

Australia “Operation Resistance”
http://www.theage.com.au/national/retired-qc-among-19-men-in-child-porn-arrests-20081211-6wsb.html

Canada & Europe “Operation Koala”
http://www.cbc.ca/canada/edmonton/story/2008/01/16/koala-follo.html

United States “Operation Joint Hammer”
http://www.ice.gov/pi/nr/0812/081212washington.htm

With Desdemona’s help, I found this transcript.  It mentions the 1,200 pictures that Sergeant John Allen refers to when interviewing George on July 24th 2008.  This is the same interview that made George so ill he left the room and vomited. These pictures have not been released to the media/public. 
http://www.cfnews13.com/uploadedFiles/georgeanthony%20july24.pdf

And then I saw this post from luckycharmsprincess

January 09, 2009, 11:06:26 PM
“And lastly, let's not forget that there was a SEX CRIME unit that went to the Anthony house in August. I'm not sure if this is standard practice. And there were two men from out of state who had mentioned some sort of sexual photos. I don't believe anyone has followed up on this.”

I have not been able to find another source that reports the presence of a Sex Crime unit at the Anthony’s home. But I’m sure that’s a reflection of my ability to research and not a problem with luckycharmsprincess' memory.

So, taking all that information into consideration, I believe that while investigating Caylee’s murder, LE found a connection to child pornography.  And is investigating this as a separate case from the murder.     

Anybody else have any thoughts about this? I would be happy to be wrong.

Brachiate

Brachiate, you've done a really good job in putting all of this together.  Thank you!

I agree and appreciate the hard work.

[Dolce]

Early this morning I did more cross referencing to other lookup services and posted the information here.  Superpages does not list the Zanaida and lists the Gonzalez person as Fred and a female too.  Zabasearch did not list the Zanaida at that address.  Phonebook.com did however.  It indicates it is either a person that rented there at some time, or has little ss activity and court activity.  The Anthony family would have good cause, more importantly Casey, to know the people in the neighborhood that have lived there or live there now.

Score another one for Russ.

Come on Topix....damn we need a baseball league for our forums.  We would be smackin ass and takin names!

[wendiw8780]

Maybe he has explained and I missed it - but why did Leonard not report the conversation he had with Hoover re  the P.I. searching the area until after the body was found?

he said he called nick savage with the FBI immediately.
wendi

[seemeatthebeach]

Brachiate... I've been wondering why LE from out of the country would be involved also, I tend to think there is a possiblility of pornography also, those 1200 pictures keep coming up, there has to be something there, I could see if there was a handful of pics of Casey in compromising positions, but 1200? There is something more going on.

Honestly, I re-read Brachiate's post again and I definitely think (as bad as I dont wanna) that there is definitely "something" there that we need to look into more.  MOO.
She definitely had the time to do this "stuff."  Plus Caylee was getting to an age where she could start saying alot more and making more conversation.  KC might've been afraid she'd "tell"  IMO.  IDK but Brachiate...I'm gonna look into this (god, as much as I dont wanna).  

You are definately on to something big.    Wasn't there a guest not long ago on SM Radio that talked about how choloform was used in child porn - and xanex - because it would make the child not remember what was going on afterwards?

IIRC Wendy Murphy was talking about this topic.....
And an investigator from the sex crimes division did make a visit to the Anthony's house either the end of July or early August.

We were told it was a courtesy call to let the A's know they were still in the loop with OC LE, and not because of a sex crime

Wendy Murphy's comment on Dana's radio show about it being not related to a sex crime is poo poo (my words, but you get my drift)

[klaasend]

4701 HOPESPRING DRIVE  (Gonzales)

FROM THE TAX ASSESSORS WEBSITE:



FROM THE WHITE PAGES:



4709 HOPESPRING DRIVE  (Zenaida)

FROM THE TAX ASSESSORS WEBSITE:



FROM THE WHITE PAGES:

[Dolce]

In Kio's first interview with LE, she mentions that there is a Zenaida in her and Casey's neighborhood; that Zenaida subsequently got married and moved away. This is explained somewhere in the Casey documents from LE. I will find it. So, there was a Zenaida living there. I believe her full name WAS actually Zenaida Gonzalez before she got married. I just need to find this. Basically, I think Casey left Caylee in the former backyard of the ZG she knew from her neighborhood, who no longer lives there. I was going to post this last night, but we had guests and I did not have time.

Awesome!  Thanks rmcalo...I am on it!

Topix..you keeping up?

[Sea Searcher]

TOPIX if you are going to quote us, atleast get your facts straight...READ IT ALL!  This is why I do not post at other forums...I would be banned for telling off people!

Hope this works

Hey SS you are the 3rd person I know to tell me I remind them of the girl from "Cheaper By The Dozen 2".  LOL

just watched it last night...you were the first person that came to mind