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« on: January 08, 2009, 12:01:00 PM »

Dead barber's home yields creepy stash

http://www.jsonline.com/news/wisconsin/37188529.html


Racine police to scour files in alleged 1950s murder



http://www.jsonline.com/news/milwaukee/37209304.html

"..Seitz also claimed to be a psychic and traveled throughout the Midwest offering his services to the families of missing children, Fetter said. "

This man drove seven hours to participate in the Wetterling search, introduced himself to Patty Wetterling, and had a houseful of child porn, canibalism and bondage books. He had "tufts" of unkown hair, new concrete in his basement and dirt piles in his backyard. Police feel they have exhausted all leads and cannot find a link to him actually killing a child but will be glad to pursue any leads that come their way..

O yes, I am not kidding you. As posted on WS, this guy's dad owns a large property 37 mi from Ed Lanphear, about to cop a plea for sex assault and kidnapping of 2 young men.

O and his shrink says he has spent time all over the midwest regarding missing persons cases of children.

I fear what is going to come out of this. His story to his shrink while not believable, has very similar characteristics to the Wetterling case among others. Who else did he approach, who recalls him searching?

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« Reply #1 on: January 11, 2009, 01:01:40 PM »

Shave, Haircut and Child Porn … The Barber of St. Francis, Vernon C. Seitz, PART I

http://scaredmonkeys.com/2009/01/11/shave-haircut-and-child-porn-the-barber-of-st-francis-vernon-c-seitz-part-i/

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Milwaukee Police executed a Search warrant the following day, and seized over 500 pieces of evidence, including male child porn, bondage equipment, a book titled “Eat Thy Neighbor: A History of Cannibalism and children’s shoes. According to a search warrant obtained by TODAY’S TMJ4, “during an emergency sweep of Seitz’s residence officers noticed newly poured cement in Seitz’s basement” and “elevated dirt piles in the yard and bondage devices in the basement, hanging from the floor rafters.”

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« Reply #2 on: January 11, 2009, 04:21:23 PM »

I have a feeling once they break through that new concrete basement we will have another John Wayne Gacy on our hands!! 
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« Reply #3 on: January 11, 2009, 05:27:38 PM »

Milwaukee Journal Sentinel (Wisconsin)
 
January 11, 2009 Sunday
 
Seitz's fantasies stun even his psychiatrist
 
Victoria Fetter has been a psychiatrist in Milwaukee for 27 years. She works out of a one-room office on Astor and Knapp streets and acts as her own secretary. She's old school, bravely giving out her home number to patients, who, she says, rarely misuse the privilege.

For the past 11 years, a barber named Vernon Seitz would show up midday on Saturdays for his monthly one-hour session.

"He was my most challenging patient," Fetter said.

Seitz was a complicated man, to say the least. The big secret he shared with her - that he was involved in killing a boy half a century ago - seems to be fiction, police say.

And his hidden life of child pornography and a fascination with cannibalism never came up in therapy.

"I was shocked," Fetter said, when a search warrant after Seitz's death in December uncovered child porn, paintings depicting torture of children and a book titled "Eat Thy Neighbor: A History of Cannibalism" at his home in Bay View.

Seitz was fascinated by cases of abducted children. He saved newspaper clippings and even traveled to Minnesota to meet with the family of a missing boy and tried to help them with what he claimed were his psychic powers.

Eleven years seems like a long time to pay a psychiatrist out of pocket without revealing your darkest demons. I mean, what's the point? It's as if he wanted just a little off the top rather than a full psychiatric workup.

"He played his cards pretty close to the chest," Fetter said, declining to be too specific. "Also he came in once a month. Mr. Stingl, if somebody really means business and has problems, big problems, and he did, you don't come once a month."

By now you probably know this from the news last week. Seitz told Fetter and others that he was abducted in the late 1950s at the Racine zoo, sexually abused and beaten, and forced by his captors to shoot and kill a 14-year-old boy. The kidnappers then killed a second boy, he said.

In November, Seitz asked Fetter to go with him to meet Racine police and tell them what he did.

"Let's go ahead with this," he told her. "He wanted me to hold his hand, so to speak."

But detectives found zero evidence to support his story, and no meeting was held. Seitz, 62, was found dead of heart disease at his home on Dec. 15.

Fetter makes her living listening to people, and she had come to believe Seitz was telling the truth. He wanted to feel less anxious. He said he wanted the families of these children in his murder scenario to have closure.

"Now I don't know. I wonder whether that was just a sadistic fantasy that he kept repeating over and over," she said.

I asked Fetter if she ever thought of Seitz as dangerous. "He never really frightened me in any real sense," she said.

The past couple of weeks have left her feeling puzzled and sad, Fetter said.

"And saddened for his family because it's of course horrible for them. It's good they live in North Carolina. They're kind of away from it. You just can't talk that away," she said.

It may turn out Seitz was just an odd guy with an overheated imagination and an unhealthy and criminal attraction to child porn. He has a virtually clean police record, and reading books on cannibalism doesn't make him Jeffrey Dahmer.

"No, but I suppose you and I wouldn't have that book," Fetter said.

True enough.
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« Reply #4 on: January 11, 2009, 05:32:39 PM »

I think this was all more than just a fantasy with this strange and sick man.

Agree.  They need to be digging up everywhere in and around his property.
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« Reply #5 on: January 11, 2009, 06:17:09 PM »

I have a feeling once they break through that new concrete basement we will have another John Wayne Gacy on our hands!! 

Boo, they actually did break through the new concrete, it yielded nothing. I dont know if canines were used in addition.
I am of the opinion that the dirt piles and new concrete are because he potentially already moved what was there. He was planning to move to his deceased Mother's property before his death. However, I think your point is correct, it is just a matter of finding it..
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« Reply #6 on: January 11, 2009, 06:47:12 PM »

Thank you for posting that Nut 44x4.. Here is the link to the article:

http://www.jsonline.com/news/milwaukee/37365524.html

What I felt was really odd, was that although the Dr. admits she knew he was painting child porn and visiting searches of missing young children, that no further diligence on her part was required to qualify if this freak might be acting out.

She says she had no knowledge of names mentioned.. How is that even possible? Why would she not connect the dates in a man confessing to murder, sexually abused as a child and drawing naked children?? Are you kidding me?

I was hesitant to be more specific about her sanction in 2000, but I may rethink that.

I am not a therapist, but isnt the burden on the Dr. to decide the parameters of treatment? She states he should have had more? Hello?

Btw, she does not discuss the 2003 break-in, which I suspect may have been a captive that got away, similar to Dahmer. He had a gun in the home, thrown on the bed with pepper spray and taking nothing? I dont buy it. I want a look at that Police report. I think he filed it because he was afraid whoever got away was going to report him..   
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« Reply #7 on: January 11, 2009, 06:54:02 PM »

He had a standing appointment on a Sat.. Dec 10 is a Saturday. By press accounts, which do conflict with her statement which has changed 2x, she called MPD to arrange a meeting at his request on 12/11. Did he miss his appointment and she checked on him? Francel, his friend, stated no-one had heard from Seitz since Dec.10..  Francel makes a wellness check request to MPD on 12/15, where he is found deceased amongst his stash.

Did she already know he was dead and she covered her azz?
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« Reply #8 on: January 11, 2009, 08:41:31 PM »

This is beyond scary!
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« Reply #9 on: January 12, 2009, 09:40:18 AM »

This is beyond scary!

Right?

I posted this on comments- If this guy literally dies in a chair from hypertensive heart issue- How could he have dug up his own backyard? Wouldnt he, given his ailment , die in the act of digging in the first place? Did someone dig up his backyard after his death??
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« Reply #10 on: January 12, 2009, 09:04:31 PM »

No Connection to Other Pending Cases, MPD Closing the Case. Nothing to See Here; The Barber of St. Francis, Vernon C. Seitz Part II

http://scaredmonkeys.com/2009/01/12/no-connection-to-other-pending-cases-mpd-closing-the-case-nothing-to-see-here-the-barber-of-st-francis-vernon-c-seitz-part-ii/

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Tony Szuta, 28, remembered going to Vern’s Barber Shop for haircuts between the ages of 9 and 12 while he was growing up in Cudahy. “When he talked to you, it was like he was looking through you. There was something up with the guy. We could never figure out what it was,” Szuta said.  Seitz showed Szuta and his friend’s paintings and drawings Seitz had done, but nothing seemed disturbing, Szuta said.

One friend told Szuta that Seitz had asked if he could portray him in a drawing.
Richard Francel was close friends with Seitz. “(He was) just a relaxed, easy going guy. Very knowledgeable. Very intelligent,” Francel said. Richard Francel was close friends with Seitz.


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« Reply #11 on: January 13, 2009, 10:34:31 AM »

http://www.kare11.com/news/news_article.aspx?storyid=534761&catid=2

Wetterling says it is just too soon to say if cases are related..

That's a different statement from last week. I hope Minnesota presses for the investigation to continue.
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« Reply #12 on: January 22, 2009, 11:25:50 AM »

In addition to referencing to Mr. Seitz account and date-specific statements regarding abduction and homicide, the following items were recovered from the scene that may be relative to the Barnet case. Although PIO Anne Schwartz has stated publicly that Seitz’s property in Racine, inherited from his deceased Mother Mildred in 2006, has been searched, there is no public record of a warrant for same. Additionally, there is no indication of a warrant for any vehicle owned by Mr. Seitz :

There were 4 freshly dug dirt piles, or evidence of apparent ground disturbance, on Mr. Seitz’s property. According to weather analysis on December 10, the last known witness account of Seitz being alive, there was 13” of snow on the ground already, therefore the ground would have been very frozen: 

A cassette tape and cassette video marked “kidnapping of a 4 ½ year old boy”.

A black and white photo of a boy, white male, holding a fish, with “July 1959” handwritten on the back.

A letter from the White House. The Barter’s had strong Washington contacts and received a letter from J.Edgar Hoover at the time of the abduction.  Did Seitz have a copy?

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