Natalee Case Discussion #793 1/13/09 - 1/18/09

[Tamikosmom]

Janet - I couldn't agree with you more!

Tacopina has represented many in the Gambino family.........to which Posner is/was tied.

Posner IS the connection between Joey T and Paulus.

Also don't foget - Guido Wever could ONLY be interviewed by ALE in Posner's office at the casino.

Jen ... justice for Natalee Holloway implies that accountability is sooo far reaching.  This is why I do not believe that justice is not going to come out of an Aruban or Dutch courtroom.

The exposure of the deception encompassing the Persisistence undertaking would allow a measure of closure for Natalee's family.  I certainly hope that the FBI are working behind the scenes on behalf of Natalee Holloway's family to bring this exposure about.  After all ... it was an American citizen who was denied ... through a corrupt investigation ...  what she was entitled to under Dutch law ... justice. 

Janet

I agree Janet.This goes from Aruba straight to the Hague.The Netherlands don't want anything to do with this.

Hi Keepthefaith

O/T

How are the floods in the Seattle area now?  Nothing on the news.

The floods in our area ... mostly in the Eastern Valley ... are receding.  Daughter and four grandkids were stranded in the house on high ground on their 40 acres property for a couple of days.  The tributary of the Fraser River that runs through the property overflowed.  Son-in-law ... a pilot ... was forced to bunker down at the home of hubby's sister who resides near the airport.

I am so thankful to see the snow disappearing but ... all the water.

 

Janet

[texasmom]

Well anyways I would like to support Kermits efforts to put pressure on..But onto whom ?
As I see it we have some extremely rich evil people who have conspired together. Anyone who seems to be of any threat has been eliminated. John S. appears to have made all his money for his efforts in the stock sales of his companies shares.. This is a big business move..  A way of funding somebodies efforts for a job well done.
He found the fish trap and you see today that Hugo is after the very same ocean floor that John has mapped out.. With that mapped out floor oil platforms can be pre built for any area determined to have a drill able spot.
 It is probably WHY we now see Hugo chum up with American oil and Dutch oil companies..
The politics are very think here..
Natalee is a victim of far more then just 3 boys after a little drug and rape session in my humble opinion.

That was actually Luis Shaefer who did that.

I seriously would like to know if what some at cng are stating is true - did Jug know that the main goal of the Persistence was oil related?
And then how that relates to what Chavez and the Russians are now doing, if at all?

And then also about the natural gas to Aruba from Venezuela that they agreed to last June?

Remember - the one that would require a pipeline between the two countries?

Because you're right Edward - any/all of this could benefit from the mapping of the ocean floor the Persistence did.

I'd like to know the answer to that too, especially considering his employer.  McWane and it's subsidiaries.

[Tamikosmom]

Janet - I couldn't agree with you more!

Tacopina has represented many in the Gambino family.........to which Posner is/was tied.

Posner IS the connection between Joey T and Paulus.

Also don't foget - Guido Wever could ONLY be interviewed by ALE in Posner's office at the casino.

Jen ... justice for Natalee Holloway implies that accountability is sooo far reaching.  This is why I do not believe that justice is not going to come out of an Aruban or Dutch courtroom.

The exposure of the deception encompassing the Persisistence undertaking would allow a measure of closure for Natalee's family.  I certainly hope that the FBI are working behind the scenes on behalf of Natalee Holloway's family to bring this exposure about.  After all ... it was an American citizen who was denied ... through a corrupt investigation ...  what she was entitled to under Dutch law ... justice. 

Janet

I agree Janet - Art Wood wasn't kidding when he said it was a house of cards.  Well this house reaches higher than any I've ever seen.  To bring it down would take a lot more than I think any of us could have ever imagined.

But justice and peace of mind are two different things, IMO.

While one may not be attainable - the other still has a chance.[/color]

I am counting on "the other".  I am praying that Kyle K. and Tim T. ... two key people on the Persistence undertaking ... will step up to the plate ... do what is right because it is right  and ... reveal all to the FBI and/or the family.  I realize that it is late in the game but ... a certain "peace of mind" can still be afforded to for the family of Natalee Holloway.

The house of cards may not collapse but ... the attempted finale' to the great Aruban coverup will be exposed for the world to see.

Janet

[Keepthefaith]

Janet - I couldn't agree with you more!

Tacopina has represented many in the Gambino family.........to which Posner is/was tied.

Posner IS the connection between Joey T and Paulus.

Also don't foget - Guido Wever could ONLY be interviewed by ALE in Posner's office at the casino.

Jen ... justice for Natalee Holloway implies that accountability is sooo far reaching.  This is why I do not believe that justice is not going to come out of an Aruban or Dutch courtroom.

The exposure of the deception encompassing the Persisistence undertaking would allow a measure of closure for Natalee's family.  I certainly hope that the FBI are working behind the scenes on behalf of Natalee Holloway's family to bring this exposure about.  After all ... it was an American citizen who was denied ... through a corrupt investigation ...  what she was entitled to under Dutch law ... justice. 

Janet

I agree Janet.This goes from Aruba straight to the Hague.The Netherlands don't want anything to do with this.

Hi Keepthefaith

O/T

How are the floods in the Seattle area now?  Nothing on the news.

The floods in our area ... mostly in the Eastern Valley ... are receding.  Daughter and four grandkids were stranded in the house on high ground on their 40 acres property for a couple of days.  The tributary of the Fraser River that runs through the property overflowed.  Son-in-law ... a pilot ... was forced to bunker down at the home of hubby's sister who resides near the airport.

I am so thankful to see the snow disappearing but ... all the water.

 

Janet

It is getting better in the outlying areas.Still a lot of damage to some homes but allowing travel on I-5 south of Olympia opened up awhile back which is good.Glad to hear all are well up in the Fraser Valley.

[2NJSons_Mom]

KTF,  I know the discussion has moved from Taco, but I was just lost in Google and found an article describing his most recent client.       Note:  Las Vegas comes into play, here:

http://www.examiner.com/a-1792578~Fla__judge_accused_of_hiding_assets_for_stripper.html

[Tamikosmom]

Please forgive me if this has been posted before, but here is the step by step progression of who contacted whom for this endeavor.

http://www.iberianet.com/articles/2007/11/29/news/news/news00.txt

From here to Aruba

BY JEFF MOORE, THE DAILY IBERIAN
Thursday, November 29, 2007 12:37 PM CST

An expedition to search the waters off Aruba for the remains of missing Alabama teenager Natalee Holloway leaves today from the Port of Iberia.

The research vessel Persistence, owned by the Lafayette-based Silvetti Group, will make the 10-day journey to the island. A 20- to 25-man crew will spend at least two weeks surveying the sea floor for Holloway, who has been missing since May 30, 2005.

Holloway, 18, was last seen leaving a bar with three men hours before she was scheduled to fly home with high school classmates celebrating their graduation.

Last week, police re-arrested the three men, prompting her father to re-launch the search in deep waters.

John Silvetti said his company became involved in the search after he was contacted by Louis Schaefer, chairman of Superior Offshore International. Schaefer had been approached by Texas Equusearch, a non-profit organization that has been searching for Holloway for more than two years.

Schaefer asked Silvetti if he could provide the survey personnel and the geophysical equipment required for the search. After spending a weekend with Schaefer and Pam and Dave Holloway, Silvetti agreed.

“It ripped my heart out to hear them say that right now all they’re looking for is to have a funeral in Alabama,” Silvetti said. “What do you say to someone like that?”

Silvetti agreed to provide his equipment and primary survey vessel at well below cost, with Schaefer covering all out-of-pocket expenses. Silvetti said his staff volunteered its services for the project as well.

“They said ‘You don’t even have to pay me. I just want to help,’” Silvetti said. “That just tells me we’ve got the right people on board.”

Marc Broussard, project manager for the Silvetti Group, said the company normally performs surveys looking for oil rigs and downed helicopters. Now, it will be using its high-resolution SONAR equipment to look for a body.

To upgrade its systems for the terrain in Aruba, Broussard said the Silvetti Group looked to its vendors, two of which are based in New Iberia.

Seatronics, located at the Port of Iberia, agreed to donate some of its high-tech electronic equipment to scan the ocean floor.

“I told (Silvetti) any opportunity that we had to go in on such a good cause, we would go in on it,” said Erik McGuire, vice president of Seatronics Inc.

“We’re more than happy to give the best effort possible to recover this girl for her family.”

Pro Log Inc. also stepped forth to provide a command center building where all of the surveying equipment will be stored. Like many people around the country, Pro Log Human Resources Director Heidi Parker said she has been following Holloway’s disappearance closely.

“We’re a family-owned business, so family is very important to us,” Parker said. “Anything we can do to help this family out is something that we’re going to do.”

After more than two years of searching, Texas Equusearch office manager Cheryl Lawless said she is hoping the organization’s fifth trip to Aruba will be its last. She said the venture would not be possible without the help of Schaefer, Silvetti and the other local companies.

“Nothing is being done to gain name recognition. This is to help these people,” Silvetti said. “Most of us have watched this on television, and I can only imagine the horror any parent would go through searching for their child in a foreign country.”

jen ... thank you.

The impression given by the above article was that the Persistence undertaking was all about searching for Natalee Holloway remains.

If the undertaking was all about Natalee Holloway ... in the preparation stages ... agreed guidelines should have been established with Aruba in regards to the chain of custody if any discover appeared to be case related.

How many who have followed the Natalee Holloway case would have donated to the cause if the understanding was that John Silvetti was going to turn what could possibly be case related evidence over to the Aruban without so much as taking a photo.

How many who have followed the Natalee Holloway case would have donated to the cause if they had know there was not to be an FBI ******* on board the Persistence when the chain of custody took place?

How many who have followed the Natalee Holloway case would have donated to the cause if they had known that John Silvetti has self-serving motives for assisting in the finale' to the great Aruban coverup?

Janet


KYLE KINGSMAN - IN HIS OWN WORDS

Kyle:  I get done in the survey room backing up the ROV dive and head to the back deck to talk to the Polis divers and see what they sampled and see the Polis boat way in the distance heading away fast. John doesn't seem concerned at all, but I am very dissapointed, concerned, and burning inside because I have a feeling that I/we will never know what they took from the trap. That evening I talked to John asking when we plan on recovering the trap. Previously this was part of the talks and plan, but this time he doesn't seem concerned about ever looking into the trap further. After John verbally BASHED me about the trap for what I said to Tim Miller about the sand body-form and that I believed her skirt was under the sand, John pretty much committed himself to the belief the trap wasn't what we were after. This shocked me because it was exactly what we were looking for- a fish trap lost at sea with human remains.


Kyle:  John is not a believer in the trap. He took ALE's word as gospel that it wasn't case related, yet never studied the videos or bothered to inquire further. He had plans on doing business with Aruba and in S. America and he didn't want to hurt any feelings by talks hinting at lack of complete trust and friendship.


private eye
Re: Natalee Case Discussion #746 4/4
« Reply #499 on: April 09, 2008, 12:39:50 AM »

If I understood Kyle correctly, and that would be that the Arubans retrieved and possessed all finds, not sharing anything with the crew, then that effort was a waste of time and effort. The only thing it could have accomplished was to locate additional evidence for the Arubans to destroy.  The effort was superb, but the game was fixed.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2769.msg372245;topicseen#msg372245

[Keepthefaith]

KTF,  I know the discussion has moved from Taco, but I was just lost in Google and found an article describing his most recent client.       Note:  Las Vegas comes into play, here:

http://www.examiner.com/a-1792578~Fla__judge_accused_of_hiding_assets_for_stripper.html

Interesting where Taco ends up to say the least!

[nonesuche]

KTF,  I know the discussion has moved from Taco, but I was just lost in Google and found an article describing his most recent client.       Note:  Las Vegas comes into play, here:

http://www.examiner.com/a-1792578~Fla__judge_accused_of_hiding_assets_for_stripper.html

Looks like Taco continues to find his comfort zone with the bottom feeders.....birds of a feather.

Another corrupt judge except this time he's blaming the judge.

[Tamikosmom]

Breaking News >> Report: Plane Crashes in Hudson River Off Manhattan

http://www.foxnews.com/



US Airways flight 1549 goes down in Hudson River

http://www.cnn.com/

[WhiskeyGirl]

Any update on Kalpoe and Dr. Phil? 

Maybe keeping the case open is just a legal move to keep the Kalpoe case in California open? 

Avoid allowing access to the case file? 

Avoid the assignment of a special "Dutch" cold case crime investigator/reporter I've read about over the years to take another look at the investigation?

[bleachedblack]

Breaking News >> Report: Plane Crashes in Hudson River Off Manhattan

http://www.foxnews.com/



US Airways flight 1549 goes down in Hudson River

http://www.cnn.com/

Yep don't see any people at this time. Approx 140-150 passengers aboard enroute to Charlotte. Plane is mostly submerged except tail and nose and drifting south with the current in the river.

[jen3560]

from cnn:

Emergency officials are responding to a downed plane in New York's Hudson River. The FAA confirmed US Airways Flight 1549 was down in the river after a failed takeoff. Coast Guard units were responding, and a ferry on site was dropping life jackets into the water. A police source said the pilot radioed that he had experienced a bird strike. "I think everyone made it off," a passenger told CNN.

[bleachedblack]

Appears everyone has gotten off the plane safe. Divers are taking a second look through the plane-Airbus 320. Ambulances are transporting all to the recovered to hospitals for treatment of hypothermia. Appears at this time that the plane flew into a flock of geese which disabled both engines.

Sorry for the OT....back to our regularly scheduled program.

[Tamikosmom]

jen ... EVERYBODY (148) made it off safely and ... relatively uninjured.

It really is a miracle.

The plane has now sunked.  However ... the landing was perfect and ... private as well as ferries were on the scene immediately.  The ferries all had life jacket.

Apparently .... almost immediately after takeoff ... the plane hit a large flock of birds and ... some were sucked up the engines causing complete entine fairlaure.

I was crying while one of the passengers was being interviewed.

[finngirl]

msnbc: all aboard rescued:
148 passengers/5-6 crew members

nearby hospital: approx 40 people enroute

plane is now sinking

eyewitnesses said plane made "perfect" landing ...
on the river

 

[WhiskeyGirl]

I keep seeing and hearing Aruba come up in news reports and advertisements.  Has anyone been there recently?  Is tourism up?

There is also a new thread -
"Travel Show Boycott - Jan 31 - Feb 1 - St. Louis Travel Show - St. Louis, MO"

Any other boycotts?

It seems odd after all these years that Aruba still has the stigma of boycott attached to their island.

Bonaire survived their recent crime and I do not remember any calls for a boycott.  I don't recall any calls for a boycott of any other place.  Is Aruba still leading the boycott pack?

Anyone know of other places being boycotted?  Negative publicity?

[bleachedblack]

I keep seeing and hearing Aruba come up in news reports and advertisements.  Has anyone been there recently?  Is tourism up?

There is also a new thread -
"Travel Show Boycott - Jan 31 - Feb 1 - St. Louis Travel Show - St. Louis, MO"

Any other boycotts?

It seems odd after all these years that Aruba still has the stigma of boycott attached to their island.

Bonaire survived their recent crime and I do not remember any calls for a boycott.  I don't recall any calls for a boycott of any other place.  Is Aruba still leading the boycott pack?

Anyone know of other places being boycotted?  Negative publicity?

It is high season there- and tourism is down.

[jen3560]

jen ... EVERYBODY (148) made it off safely and ... relatively uninjured.

It really is a miracle.

The plane has now sunked.  However ... the landing was perfect and ... private as well as ferries were on the scene immediately.  The ferries all had life jacket.

Apparently .... almost immediately after takeoff ... the plane hit a large flock of birds and ... some were sucked up the engines causing complete entine fairlaure.

I was crying while one of the passengers was being interviewed.

Thanks Janet.

How frightening that had to be for everyone on board.

That pilot deserves to be commended for that landing!

[Blonde]

O/T
Plane crashes in NYC river after bird cuts engines (AP)
This video frame grab image taken from WNBC-TV shows a US Airways aircraft that has gone down in the Hudson River in New York, Thursday Jan. 15, 2009. It was not immediately clear if there were injuries.
All Passengers were taken off and all are OK

[2NJSons_Mom]

jen ... EVERYBODY (148) made it off safely and ... relatively uninjured.

It really is a miracle.

The plane has now sunked.  However ... the landing was perfect and ... private as well as ferries were on the scene immediately.  The ferries all had life jacket.

Apparently .... almost immediately after takeoff ... the plane hit a large flock of birds and ... some were sucked up the engines causing complete entine fairlaure.

I was crying while one of the passengers was being interviewed.

Thanks Janet.

How frightening that had to be for everyone on board.

That pilot deserves to be commended for that landing!

Yes, the crew & ferry system....DH & I have been watching since they started reporting.  Thank God for all.  I asked DH if he'd want to board another plane to get home after something like that...he said 'No....well, maybe after several beers.'