Natalee Case Discussion #793 1/13/09 - 1/18/09

[KYcat]

And another thing...... 

WHY do people come here and try to CHANGE our opinions?  As far as I know, we don't all completely agree on everything, but we state our opinions and we are trying to get to the truth.  And we do it RESPECTFULLY. 

I think they PROTEST too much!!!!!!!

 

[San]

And another thing...... 

WHY do people come here and try to CHANGE our opinions?  As far as I know, we don't all completely agree on everything, but we state our opinions and we are trying to get to the truth.  And we do it RESPECTFULLY. 

I think they PROTEST too much!!!!!!!

 

I agree.

Is it because they believe what they have seen and read to be the truth and when we don't agree they get mad.  I am not saying I verbally say I disagree with what they write.  But when we post stuff like "I stand with the frog" it makes them angry.  I read what they post and I form an opinion as to who I think is telling the truth about what happened.  Now am I going to sit here and say gee I better agree with them because they will be mad and attack me for agreeing with Kermit.

This makes no sense to me.  They can't force me to believe in what they write.

Right now we know that Natalee was kidnapped by Joran Van der Sloot, Deepak & Satish Kalpoe and was never seen alive again.  The prosecutor Karin Janssen has said they have evidence of a murder.  Jan Van der Straaten has said he doesn't believe Natalee is alive.  Paulus Van der Sloot is sitting next to Natalee at the casino and was charged with premeditated murder.  These are facts.

[sharon]

Most of it has nothing to do with believing the brave frog. But I am overjoyed that my green friend has received so much support and encouraging words.

It's whether or not you believe Kyle. Those are HIS words.

Kermit wanted to make sure that you all read them, too. And this was the only option remaining.

I was not brave enough to do the same thing kermit did

But I stand with the frog. And the girl. And the Monkeys.

sigh

[San]

Most of it has nothing to do with believing the brave frog. But I am overjoyed that my green friend has received so much support and encouraging words.

It's whether or not you believe Kyle. Those are HIS words.

Kermit wanted to make sure that you all read them, too. And this was the only option remaining.

I was not brave enough to do the same thing kermit did

But I stand with the frog. And the girl. And the Monkeys.

sigh

I agree Sharon.  But the attacks have been made because we believe the green frog.  We have compared Kyle's words and have made a decision.  They don't like that we have made this decision because it differs from theirs.

[Tamikosmom]

GOOD MORNING MONKEYS!!  GOOD MORNING ZOOKEEPERS!!

Keepthefaith ... the fog finally lifted in the Fraser Valley of British Columbia ... not a cloud in the sky.  The sun has risen.  What a beautiful morning!!!  How about Seattle?

 

Janet
7:55 AM PT

[sharon]

Most of it has nothing to do with believing the brave frog. But I am overjoyed that my green friend has received so much support and encouraging words.

It's whether or not you believe Kyle. Those are HIS words.

Kermit wanted to make sure that you all read them, too. And this was the only option remaining.

I was not brave enough to do the same thing kermit did

But I stand with the frog. And the girl. And the Monkeys.

sigh

I agree Sharon.  But the attacks have been made because we believe the green frog.  We have compared Kyle's words and have made a decision.  They don't like that we have made this decision because it differs from theirs.

San, I agree. Even though we all want the same result. Justice for Natalee.

That is the part that boggles the mind.

Different 'theories' and approaches, maybe -- but the goal is the same.

Is being 'right' that damn important to some? It's supposed to be about Natalee.

[texasmom]

Good morning monkeys! 

I agree with KYcat and San.

What really irks me about all of the ones that want to discredit Kermit is that NONE of them have posted one single thing that we can even consider as a fact to support their rantings.  And I am really disappointed in some of the "bashing" certain ones are choosing to do about everyone here.  It only makes them look silly imo. 

And I also agree with Sharon about "context", I appreciated her humour about that one....I got really sick of that word a long time ago.  Not that context never matters but in 99.9% of Kyle's posts that have been posted here, it doesn't!  I said 99.9% because one actually provoked a thought when I saw the context, but I don't even remember which one it was now; so considering everything...it didn't really matter.  Have I confused everyone now?

 

I stand with the girl, the monkeys, and the frog.   

Justice for Natalee!!!!!!

[texasmom]

GOOD MORNING MONKEYS!!  GOOD MORNING ZOOKEEPERS!!

Keepthefaith ... the fog finally lifted in the Fraser Valley of British Columbia ... not a cloud in the sky.  The sun has risen.  What a beautiful morning!!!  How about Seattle?

 

Janet
7:55 AM PT

Good morning Janet! 

[texasmom]

Clyde Burke

1/2/2009 Soul City




Band 2Sweet

[San]

Most of it has nothing to do with believing the brave frog. But I am overjoyed that my green friend has received so much support and encouraging words.

It's whether or not you believe Kyle. Those are HIS words.

Kermit wanted to make sure that you all read them, too. And this was the only option remaining.

I was not brave enough to do the same thing kermit did

But I stand with the frog. And the girl. And the Monkeys.

sigh

I agree Sharon.  But the attacks have been made because we believe the green frog.  We have compared Kyle's words and have made a decision.  They don't like that we have made this decision because it differs from theirs.

San, I agree. Even though we all want the same result. Justice for Natalee.

That is the part that boggles the mind.

Different 'theories' and approaches, maybe -- but the goal is the same.

Is being 'right' that damn important to some? It's supposed to be about Natalee.

I agree.

[texasmom]

Forgot the link to the Cool Aruba pics,

http://www.coolaruba.com/component/option,com_gallery2/Itemid,28/?g2_itemId=642909&g2_highlightId=644058

[KYcat]

Most of it has nothing to do with believing the brave frog. But I am overjoyed that my green friend has received so much support and encouraging words.

It's whether or not you believe Kyle. Those are HIS words.

Kermit wanted to make sure that you all read them, too. And this was the only option remaining.

I was not brave enough to do the same thing kermit did

But I stand with the frog. And the girl. And the Monkeys.

sigh

I agree Sharon.  But the attacks have been made because we believe the green frog.  We have compared Kyle's words and have made a decision.  They don't like that we have made this decision because it differs from theirs.

San, I agree. Even though we all want the same result. Justice for Natalee.

That is the part that boggles the mind.

Different 'theories' and approaches, maybe -- but the goal is the same.

Is being 'right' that damn important to some? It's supposed to be about Natalee.

I agree.

IMO they are making things more about them instead of Natalee.  What did Hotshot say........ "maybe we should let Kermit run the cage"........ Me thinks, Hotshot wants to run the cage!

How sad.

[Tamikosmom]

{snipped}

I am not even convinced that it was Natalee in that trap in the first place but Kyle surely is the one who kept insisting that it was.  Guess that makes this his conspiracy theory instead of the monkeys.

Anna -- that is EXACTLY how I felt.

I was disappointed, but believed what we had been told -- it was NOT Natalee in the trap.

And YES -- Kyle's own words -- his professional opinion and the proof he described FIRST HAND -- are what changed my mind.

If he 'made it all up' he has had many opportunities to make that right. Pretty easy, right? I notice he has not 

Kyle posts brought over from the Natalee's Freebirds' site convinced me too!!!  Those posts  convinced me 100% that John Silvetti's motives were not about justice for Natalee Holloway!!  Those posts convinced me that Natalee Holloway's remains has  ... in all probability ... been placed inside that trap/cage.

Prior to the posts brought over from the Natalee's Freebirds' site ... I could not comprehend why there had been no plan already in place that would assure that the chain of custody of any discovery that could possibly be case related would be a shared process between the Persistence crew and the Arubans.  After all ... the perception has been since May 30, 2005 that Aruba was behind the coverup that had prevented justice from prevailing for Natalee Holloway.  In my opinion ... an FBI agent should have been present to observe the chain of custody.

Nevertheless ... the Dateline special had convinced me that the contents of the trap/cage were not case related.  After all an American diver (Tim T.) had been present on that initial dive.

Janet

++++++++++++


Tamikosmom
Re: Natalee Case Discussion #744 3/19 -
« Reply #191 on: March 19, 2008, 07:59:59 PM »

Hi Kyle.  It's me ... Tamikosmom ... your worst nightmare.

I sincerely tried to spare you from my prying questions but ... I lack self discipline ... I am so nosy.

Were any members of the Persistence present when the Arubans took possessin of the contents of the cage/trap?  Were the contents itemized ... photos taken?  Was an authorized receipt obtained?

In other words ... was there an official chain of command that went from the Persistence to the Arubans or ... did the Persistence not have any control?

Janet

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2721.180


oceanexploration
Re: Natalee Case Discussion #744 3/19 -
« Reply #201 on: March 19, 2008, 08:21:47 PM »

Janet, you aren't even a bad dream, let alone a nightmare.  We had little option other than to have the Aruban dive division recover the samples and bring them back under their care.  Remember we are Americans working in Aruban waters, subject to their laws, invitation, and blessing.  Our hands are tied for the most part. I personally was extremely uncomfortable with the chain of custody, being that we weren't a part of it, but I was powerless to do anything about it.  The samples were photographed in detail by one Aruban diver and the other two investigated the contents of the trap, the dimensions, the rigging, and what surrounded the trap.  From the video, it looked like they did a diligent and careful job with the samples and the underwater photography.  I don't know who has these pictures, but I must assume ALE.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2721.200

[Keepthefaith]

GOOD MORNING MONKEYS!!  GOOD MORNING ZOOKEEPERS!!

Keepthefaith ... the fog finally lifted in the Fraser Valley of British Columbia ... not a cloud in the sky.  The sun has risen.  What a beautiful morning!!!  How about Seattle?

 

Janet
7:55 AM PT

Good Morning Monkey's..

It has lifted here as well.The Sun is shining!

[texasmom]

1/16/2009 Tattoo

http://www.coolaruba.com/component/option,com_gallery2/Itemid,28/?g2_itemId=662548&g2_GALLERYSID=e1848e039c706ffffb051cf30a655a07





Something about that boat just gives me the creeps...

[sharon]

texasmom 

I'm a big believer of 'context', too. I spent many hours reading the Shango and Simian posts 'in context' 

From the perspective of the 'dynamics' between and amongst the posters.  Other monkeys have done the same, 'what was going on in the outside world when this post was being made'.

You all KNOW the context of Kyle's words for the most part. We weren't exchanging vacation or scuba diving stories. He wanted to share his professional and hands on experiences onboard the Persistence during the search for Natalee.

I totally agree with your 99.9% assessment 

[texasmom]

texasmom 

I'm a big believer of 'context', too. I spent many hours reading the Shango and Simian posts 'in context'  

From the perspective of the 'dynamics' between and amongst the posters.  Other monkeys have done the same, 'what was going on in the outside world when this post was being made'.

You all KNOW the context of Kyle's words for the most part. We weren't exchanging vacation or scuba diving stories. He wanted to share his professional and hands on experiences onboard the Persistence during the search for Natalee.

I totally agree with your 99.9% assessment 

You were not alone...

[KYcat]

1/16/2009 Tattoo

http://www.coolaruba.com/component/option,com_gallery2/Itemid,28/?g2_itemId=662548&g2_GALLERYSID=e1848e039c706ffffb051cf30a655a07





Something about that boat just gives me the creeps...

Me too, TXMom  and Clyde Burke = Sinister

[sharon]

Janet, the 'headline' I suddenly 'imagined' in my mind.....'the Persistence may have inadvertently recovered the remains of Natalee Holloway and returned them to Aruban authorities' 

I wanted to puke. (hopefully the faint of heart will excuse me)

[Anna]

{snipped}

I am not even convinced that it was Natalee in that trap in the first place but Kyle surely is the one who kept insisting that it was.  Guess that makes this his conspiracy theory instead of the monkeys.

Anna -- that is EXACTLY how I felt.

I was disappointed, but believed what we had been told -- it was NOT Natalee in the trap.

And YES -- Kyle's own words -- his professional opinion and the proof he described FIRST HAND -- are what changed my mind.

If he 'made it all up' he has had many opportunities to make that right. Pretty easy, right? I notice he has not 
.

But now for me if he said I made it up I would have my doubts.  I need to see the entire video of what he saw.  Maybe I missed it but have we ever seen the video of the divers going into the trap and retrieving those bags.  Will he say he made it up to cover his ass.  I just don't know anymore.

Me, too, San.  I wouldn't know which version of events to believe.  He could just be trying to CYA because he didn't want his boss to know what he said about him.

But Kyle is the one who just insisted there were remains in that trap. 

I don't know what to think.  And I always thought CapsLockWizard was sort of hilarious had the subject matter not been so grim.  At least entertaining to read all that nonsense.  Like the initials are reversed when arrests are made.  We all knew that was a bunch of hooey and yet he did try to sell it.

When someone lies to or ABOUT me, I have a big problem believing anything else they say. 

And I for sure don't understand all the motives behind so much of this BS being flung about of late.

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