Natalee Case Discussion #793 1/13/09 - 1/18/09

[MumInOhio]

Good Morning Cageman and Johan.

I knew what you meant Cageman. You and your Family continue to be in my Prayers.

[bastibro]

I'm sorry. Something went wrong in my previous reaction. It wasn't Edward saying "marlene = Marlies" but it was me.

Yep, Goodmorning Jan Willem!

[MumInOhio]

I'm sorry. Something went wrong in my previous reaction. It wasn't Edward saying "marlene = Marlies" but it was me.

Yep, Goodmorning Jan Willem!

Sorry Bastibro...I didn't see you there...Good Morning!

Have a great day!

[Blonde]

So it is believed the fellow who took the Aruba Bay video who had dark legs, actually knew the body was in the plastic he videoed, which could also be a large plastic taken from a trash container witnessed by a Colombian male. Who could also have dark legs.. Natalee's body was supposedly put into plastic and taken away in a white pick up..
 Taken to this culvert and placed there temporary..?
 later taken to another location and somehow eventually put into a crab/fish trap and dropped off the boat into 90 some feet of water..

Then there is various other witnesses and Internet bloggers and lots of thing we have discussed over the last 3.7 years now..
Take a look.. http://s66.photobucket.com/albums/h254/chicagoutfit/?start=all

Then there is Marcos near the end..

A large scale cover up by a government and or organized crime syndicate....


The one thing I have to say about all of this is,..
A famous psychic who lives in my neck of the woods was interviewed within 2 weeks of Natalee disappearing by me and I have it on tape..
She insisted at that time Natalee was in the ocean.. I believed she was in Venezuela.
She has never contacted the family ..Nor has she posted her thoughts on the Internet..
She has stayed silent.
I still have her on tape...  and The F.B.I. contacted her before I did..They wanted to know her opinion.. She also told them Natalee was in the ocean..
 Never said she was in a fish/crab trap and has never been contacted for approximate location of where Natalee may have been placed..
 I remember her words about the people involved.. Very dangerous people/ she sensed drug dealers and murders.. Also her words about how far out...Way Out !
 Also her last words.. Before this is over Many Nations will be involved.
It is all on tape... It is dated..
It appears she was correct.. and she always impressed me as honesty without any hesitation ..
Her name, Annette Martin.
I found it very interesting the fbi called her so quickly.. as she has advised them before.

There were other predictions .. Like this one who felt compelled to contact the family.
 http://www.marybrents.com/missing.htm

But Annette has strick rules on this.. I am just amazed at how accurate she was.
I did contact her and gave her a link to the Persistance web site.. I wonder what she thinks of all of this today..

She did say that the body would not be found..
Oh well.

IMO I think the guy taking the video was friends of the 2 arrested SG's and he was snooping on his own, to prove their innocence.
I think he just  was covering their butts and saw more then he wanted to see got scared and took off.
Then video #38 witch shows all faces involved got removed.
Rob knows more about this then I do.

Who has actually seen video #38?

I think Rob did?
It was on then taken off I think.

[Tamikosmom]

Joran van der Sloot's age implies he should never have been allowed on the premises of the Excelsior Casino.  He should never have been allowed on the premises of Carlos and Charlies'.  He should never have been allowed on the premises of the Radisson.  He should never have been allowed on the premises of the Wyndham.  Yet he was not only given access to these establishments ... given access to unsuspecting young ladies ... he was allowed to drink alcohol and gamble.

Was Joran a participant in that underground economy?

Janet

++++++


'Rita Cosby Live & Direct' for April 3
updated 8:24 a.m. PT, Tues., April. 4, 2006

JOHN Q. KELLY, HOLLOWAY FAMILY ATTORNEY: Well, if you look at the surveillance video footage, it appears that he’s the one sitting directly next to her and tries to engage her in conversation a couple of times.  And it’s sort of ironic that it’s his father who brought his underage son to a casino and left him there after he left, with access to his line of credit, to put this unfortunate chain of events in process.

You know, if Joran had never been there, not been allowed in there, because he’s underage and wasn’t accompanied by his father, the whole rest of the night wouldn’t have happened.

COSBY: You know, and, John, also, why would that be a significant—why is that in conflict to something else we’ve heard maybe from Paulus before?

KELLY: Well, he’s just claiming that, you know, he’s kept an eye on his son, you know, he’s kept him on a short leash, and, you know, his son is very well-behaved. And it turns out that he’s, you know, got him at casinos. If you’re under 18, you’re not legally even allowed in casinos, so his son was breaking the law with him enabling it.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/12150698/


Jossy Mansur
DANA PRETZER
July 23, 2007

Dana: One thing that makes my listeners scratch their heads so to speak and wonder, myself included and we'll talk about it again, is the fact of the underage drinking and gambling that had been going on admittedly by young van der Sloot.  Was there ever any discussion or has there ever been any discussion at least of filing some charges as far as that goes?

Jossy:  No, there hasn't been any of that. The authorities have just (inaudible) it aside, they haven't paid any attention to it then and they're not paying any attention to it now and over the past 26 months.    I haven't seen anything in the direction of trying to make some kind of statement that this is not (inaudiable) at least make some sort of a statement that this is not (inaubible) because it is a known fact that as an underage he wasn't supposed to be in the casino, much less in the company of his father. He was there, there are video tapes to prove that and still the authorities haven't done anything with regard to that specific case.

http://scaredmonkeysradio.com/2007/07/23/the-dana-pretzer-show-monday-july-23rd-2007-special-guests-larry-sinclair-jossy-mansur-ladonna-meredith-attorney-jay-paul-deratany/


Joran van der Sloot
Suspect Statement
June 9, 2005

After that we drove straight to Carlos & Charlies. Deepak was the driver but I cannot remember now who was sitting beside him. I do not remember now if it was Satish or me. I estimate that we arrived at Carlos & Charlies between 00.15 and 00.30 hours. Deepak parked his car on the parking lot behind Carlos & Charlies and after that we walked into the building of Carlos & Charlies. I don't have to pay because I have a VIP pass. With my VIP pass Deepak and Satish were also allowed in.

To your question as to who gave me the VIP pass to Carlos & Charlies, I answer you that I got it through the office of Carlos & Charlies. I do not remember with the help of who I got the VIP pass. I got to Carlos & Charlies about one to three times a week.


Beth Holloway
LOVING NATALEE

Page 39:  Following our brief conversation, we all walk immediately to the fron desk to ask about someone named Joran who is staying in the hotel and plays in the casino here.  The Holiday Inn night manager, Brenda, knows him by name.  "Oh! yes ... yes ... Joran.  He gambles in the Excelsior Casino here.  He likes to prey on young female tourists.  Especially the blonds.   He is tall.  Good-looking boy.  Like a Dutch marine."   My mouth drops wide open.  "Where is he from?" I ask her.  She replies.  "He lives in Aruba."  I stutter.  "He's ... he's not a tourist just here for the summer?"  "Non, non," she says.

It takes a few moments to absorb this information.  The supposed tourist who befriended some of Natalee's classmates and who told them he was staying at their hotel lied tothem.  He isn't a tourist.  He isn't staying here.


Deepak Kalpoe
Suspect Statement
June 13, 2005

Andre asked me to come inside. I did go inside. I did not play, but did look at the cards of Joran and Guido.

At some given moment in time a tourist who was sitting at Joran's table got angry. The tourist thought that we were looking at the cards of other players and signaling/deciding for Joran when he should play or not. It lead to a disagreement between Joran and the tourist. The manager of the Radisson Casino came over and everything calmed down. I drank about four "whisky coke" gedronken in the Radisson Casino.  I now that Joran drank more because the waiters were constantly bringing him drinks.   I am not sure .what he was drinking. His drinks were of a yellow colour. I think it was “whisky soda" or 'Whisky water".


Aruba Suspects Accused of Taking Sex Photos of Another Girl
Thursday, September 01, 2005

The Kalpoe brothers were released July 4 and rearrested last week with a friend of the three young men, Freddy Alexander Zedan-Arambatzis (search), 21.
 
Zedan-Arambatzis, who is not suspected of involvement in the Holloway case, is accused of taking photos of a minor female in "tempting poses" and of showing the photos to other people, said his lawyer, Diana Emerencia. He is also suspected of having unspecified "physical contact" with the girl, she said.

The Kalpoe brothers and van der Sloot are also suspected of involvement in the incident, which allegedly occurred before Holloway disappeared, Emerencia said.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,168233,00.html


'Scarborough Country' for August 26
updated 12:49 p.m. PT, Mon., Aug. 29, 2005

JOSSY MANSUR, EDITOR, “DIARIO”:  It definitely smells that way.  You know, if you take the prosecution‘s statement at its face, we are talking on a whole new level, the charges here.  We are talking about drugs.  We are talking about rape and we are talking about rape of many different people.  There are four guys now in custody, four best friends.  What does that tell you?
 
MANSUR:  Well, what it tells me is that, really, these four guys are friends.  They belong to the same group, these party boys that go out and prey on young, unsuspected girls or other kinds of girls also that are out to have a good time, not suspecting what they‘re in for with these predators around.

And they are—they not only appear in photographs together, but I understand that Freddy lives very near to the Joran house.  So, there is a bond between them.  There is a group that they call themselves the pimps, in which all of these participate.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/9119491/


'The Abrams Report' for August 4
updated 8:37 a.m. PT, Fri., Aug. 5, 2005

TWITTY:  You know it's a pretty long scenario; we have a lot of details.  You know the main thing to sum it up is you know Joran, how he entered this establishment.  I believe that you know if you enter on the right side, you have to have a valid I.D.  If you enter Carlos N' Charlie's on the left side, you must have some type of—I don't know if it's a VIP pass or what to enter, but Joran enters the establishment on the left side, approaches these groups of tourists. 

You know it's interesting how he is able to try to work his way in and connect and establish himself in that—in Carlos N' Charlie's, was walking her around and these other tourists and was able to point out Satish and Deepak Kalpoe.  They were sitting ironically in the same corner, the same stools that they were seated at in the picture that's been all over international media, so that must be their spot that they wait while Joran is working.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/8838598
 

Deepak Kalpoe
Suspect Statement
June 10, 2005

To your question as to what role Joran plays in our circle of friends, I can state the following. He has no real role. We are all the same.

To your question as to where we take the girls we pick up, I can state the following. Sometimes the girls stay at "Carlos & Charlies" or sometimes we take them to their hotel.

To your question was to what exactly happens when we have picked up the girls, I can state the following. Just kissing and dancing.

To your question whether sexual intercourse has happened, I can state the following. Yes, it has happened.

To your question whether it ever happened that all of us, so in one room, had sexual intercourse, I can state the following. It has happened.

[truthseeker2]

1.This is the way to make sure you do not have a body.. No body No crime.
2.THEY set up Rene's wife to take the Fall.
3.They torture PitBull.. Tied his hands to a pole and cut his legs off, then proceeded to pull his intestines out .. torture. 3 people go to prison for various terms on this crime, not one over 6 years. They offered no defense to there actions..

Was Natalee kept alive for a time ? Very possible, and any and all of those witnesses are now deceased..
Who would be willing to do that ?
Where was she kept ?

There was talk about basements.. I found a contractor that builds basements in Aruba
Apparently the rich and famous use them for wine storage.. A cool area.

The only one who comes to mind that has a personality to do this I have already mentioned, I bet he owns a basement.
 
Why has Joran taken the fall on this ? Why has Paulus ?
Joran probably works for the syndicate and Paulus is probably linked to the syndicate through bribe and or payoff for past things that have now turned into a threat if he says anything.

I see where your are with this and cannot agree or disagree.  However, I can accept it all as a possibility.

A few things come to mind when considering all that you allude to:

1. "No body, no crime".  The 'perfect' disposal or there was no death, therefore no body?

2. Can Rene's death be connected factually?  Many have suspected so, but we cannot prove it.  More work to do.

3. Pitbull is another death we cannot tie back factually, but have suspected is connected.  More work to do.

4. If Natalee was kept alive for a while...Why?  Many have considered the human trafficking angle...without a verifiable confession or body...I suppose it's remains out there as a possible motive.  If untrue, it helps mask the truth if never disproven.  More work to do.

5. If she was kept alive for a while, but eventually lost her life...then when did that happen?  Days, weeks, months?  And now possibly years?  Considering those options, if within days it probably all took place on Aruba.  The other options leave open the opportunity for her to be removed from the island in some manner before she lost her life.

As for the who would/could do these things?  Good question.  In considering the 'history' of who runs things on Aruba the Mansur name has always been out front.  But I do not see a history of this type of thing with that family.  If they did things like this in the past...they were pretty good at it as I see no suspicion thrown their way with any other missing people.  Nothing.   Suspicions of drug trafficking, money laundering and illegal tobacco transactions...yes, that is all out there.  But I don't see the Mansurs murdering people. 

So who is taking control of Aruba?  Who is working with Aruban politicians so as to have this level of legal protection from crime investigations and prosecutions?  We all know Paulus has connections to the judicial system, but I still cannot believe the politicians in Aruba are covering this thing up just for him and his son.  Not to mention, if this was an accident or a drug-overdose (self-inflicted or not) Natalee could not dispute anything that was said about the circumstances.  Those guys could have 'hummed any tune' and with a body to send back home along with their 'song' this would have been over.  Not that the truth would have been told...but left in the hands of the judicial system on Aruba these guys would have probably already been let out of prison by now, if convicted of anything at all.

But...

More work to do!

[Edward]

Sorry for the name misspelling on Marlies..

As far as proving Rene or Pitbull ..I doubt that can be done..

You can get close when you realize Deepak ran from his car into the bar called chooseaname for just a second..Pitbull was a bouncer there.. The first person you will meet on entry is the bouncer..
 So that is about as close as we can get to putting PitBull in this.. Plus THEY have already torched the place..
 Pitbull was not named in court documents as one of the employees of the M known as The Boss.
So no connection there.

THEY know e have absolutely nothing... and that is where it stands and only organizations like Interpol and the F.B.I. can take it further.. But the Dutch have there own form of a F.B.I. and they have been of no assistance in getting to the truth..
jmho

[Magnolia]

I can't get mind off of CapsLockWizzard.
Since I am not in the know or connected, I have no idea who he is.
I am not sure it even matters who he is.
It does concern me who would employ him to spread misinformation,
keep people searching to worthless ends and invent a witness.
Who sent Caps here to create the diversion?

[Keepthefaith]

I can't get mind off of CapsLockWizzard.
Since I am not in the know or connected, I have no idea who he is.
I am not sure it even matters who he is.
It does concern me who would employ him to spread misinformation,
keep people searching to worthless ends and invent a witness.
Who sent Caps here to create the diversion?

Great question Magnolia!From what i understand CapsLockWizard is connected to Clyde Burke who is ALE.Why would anyone trust Caps?Correct me if i'm wrong Monkey's!

[Edward]

Well anyways I would like to support Kermits efforts to put pressure on..But onto whom ?
As I see it we have some extremely rich evil people who have conspired together. Anyone who seems to be of any threat has been eliminated. John S. appears to have made all his money for his efforts in the stock sales of his companies shares..
This is a big business move..  A way of funding somebodies efforts for a job well done.
He found the fish trap and you see today that Hugo is after the very same ocean floor that John has mapped out.. With that mapped out floor oil platforms can be pre built for any area determined to have a drill able spot.
 It is probably WHY we now see Hugo chum up with American oil and Dutch oil companies..
The politics are very think here..
Natalee is a victim of far more then just 3 boys after a little drug and rape session in my humble opinion.

[Tamikosmom]

I can't get mind off of CapsLockWizzard.
Since I am not in the know or connected, I have no idea who he is.
I am not sure it even matters who he is.
It does concern me who would employ him to spread misinformation,
keep people searching to worthless ends and invent a witness.
Who sent Caps here to create the diversion?

I believe that CAPS may be Mark Purcell or somebody closely associated with Mark Purcell.  When you consider CAPS post which undermines Beth and addresses Julia Renfro ... Mark Purcell's very good friend.  Then when you consider his association with the Marriott.

If Mark Purcell is involved ... then I believe that the AHATA was behind the diversion.

Janet

++++++


CapsLockWizard
Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
« Reply #609 on: April 01, 2008, 03:15:49 AM »

my first question this morning around 9:30 was:

Why would beth lie about her being a virgin and who run with the story was fox news. where did they got the news from? I will answer Julia.

Why why would I lhype up something that was not true and now i need some one to run with it. that can colorabrorate and sustain my lie. My friend. who walk with me. both know it is not the true and that makes it like we say in Logic world,  NOT = NOT and that makes it a logic sense.

it can not be OR and can not be AND OR logic. do not compute.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2733.msg369749#msg369749

Another interesting issue of note here.  This from Silvetti's post at BFN:

The important thing is to raise funds. It will require corporate support as well as private donations. Dave and Beth have been doing a great job getting the word out and while I was on the island, Dave put me in contact with the head of the Hotel Association who is working on raising a sizeable amount.
-----------

RIGHT!

Because AHATA was oh so helpful in finding Natalee right from the beginning?  Would that be those same folks from the Tourism Industry who were "moved" to the Justice Dept to "help solve this case"?

The same people who set out within the first week to besmirch Natalee and state she was a run away?

I wonder just how that meeting between Silvetti and AHATA went?  And I wonder when, exactly, it took place?

Remember Jorge Pesquera - wasn't he the former President of AHATA - admitting to Beth that there was a cover up that had taken place.

I wonder just how far AHATA was willing to go to further that cover up?  I wonder if they would have gone as far as offering a boat Owner some incentives to look the other way if and when anything was found?

Aruba
US still drives business to Aruba after Holloway case closed
By Hazel Heyer | Jan 16, 2008
Nassau, Bahamas (eTN) -

eTN: Has this been a big challenge to tourism?

Briesen:  Among all challenges we’ve faced, including airlift, US economy slowdown, gas prices etc, this particularly has taken up our time and resources. Everybody got involved in this case. People from the tourism department have been moved to the justice department to help solve the disappearance. This incident has kept us ‘hostage’ for more than a year. In 2006, we even launched an ad campaign worth $5 M in the US to counter the negative broadcast.

http://www.eturbonews.com/865/us-still-drives-business-aruba-after-holloway-case-closed

[jen3560]

I can't get mind off of CapsLockWizzard.
Since I am not in the know or connected, I have no idea who he is.
I am not sure it even matters who he is.
It does concern me who would employ him to spread misinformation,
keep people searching to worthless ends and invent a witness.
Who sent Caps here to create the diversion?

ktf is right - caps' pal is Clyde Burke.  And according to caps himself - he has a relative who is an attorney and works with the OM's office.

Those two things alone tell me a lot.


I think I remember seeing a post here from way long ago - that Caps' real last name is one that's reared its head a time or two in this case - and I believe that was correct.

And no - it's not Croes or Mansur, lol.

[Keepthefaith]

Well anyways I would like to support Kermits efforts to put pressure on..But onto whom ?
As I see it we have some extremely rich evil people who have conspired together. Anyone who seems to be of any threat has been eliminated. John S. appears to have made all his money for his efforts in the stock sales of his companies shares..
This is a big business move..  A way of funding somebodies efforts for a job well done.
He found the fish trap and you see today that Hugo is after the very same ocean floor that John has mapped out.. With that mapped out floor oil platforms can be pre built for any area determined to have a drill able spot.
 It is probably WHY we now see Hugo chum up with American oil and Dutch oil companies..
The politics are very think here..
Natalee is a victim of far more then just 3 boys after a little drug and rape session in my humble opinion.

What does Paulus know that protects him and his Sporter of a boy,Joran,to all ends of the earth???One would think Paulus has to have written,picture,and or video documentation against some Major players or why would he and his sporter be given a FREE pass to kill and murder???

[Tamikosmom]

Well anyways I would like to support Kermits efforts to put pressure on..But onto whom ?
As I see it we have some extremely rich evil people who have conspired together. Anyone who seems to be of any threat has been eliminated. John S. appears to have made all his money for his efforts in the stock sales of his companies shares..
This is a big business move..  A way of funding somebodies efforts for a job well done.
He found the fish trap and you see today that Hugo is after the very same ocean floor that John has mapped out.. With that mapped out floor oil platforms can be pre built for any area determined to have a drill able spot.
 It is probably WHY we now see Hugo chum up with American oil and Dutch oil companies..
The politics are very think here..
Natalee is a victim of far more then just 3 boys after a little drug and rape session in my humble opinion.

What does Paulus know that protects him and his Sporter of a boy,Joran,to all ends of the earth???One would think Paulus has to have written,picture,and or video documentation against some Major players or why would he and his sporter be given a FREE pass to kill and murder???

Joran van der Sloot's age implies he should never have been allowed on the premises of the Excelsior Casino.  He should never have been allowed on the premises of Carlos and Charlies'.  He should never have been allowed on the premises of the Radisson.  He should never have been allowed on the premises of the Wyndham.  Yet he was not only given access to these establishments ... given access to unsuspecting young ladies ... he was allowed to drink alcohol and gamble.

Was Joran and Paulus participants in the Aruban underground economy which encompasses drugs, alcohol, sex trade, gambling, money laundering, pornograph ... ?

Janet

++++++


'Rita Cosby Live & Direct' for April 3
updated 8:24 a.m. PT, Tues., April. 4, 2006

JOHN Q. KELLY, HOLLOWAY FAMILY ATTORNEY: Well, if you look at the surveillance video footage, it appears that he’s the one sitting directly next to her and tries to engage her in conversation a couple of times.  And it’s sort of ironic that it’s his father who brought his underage son to a casino and left him there after he left, with access to his line of credit, to put this unfortunate chain of events in process.

You know, if Joran had never been there, not been allowed in there, because he’s underage and wasn’t accompanied by his father, the whole rest of the night wouldn’t have happened.

COSBY: You know, and, John, also, why would that be a significant—why is that in conflict to something else we’ve heard maybe from Paulus before?

KELLY: Well, he’s just claiming that, you know, he’s kept an eye on his son, you know, he’s kept him on a short leash, and, you know, his son is very well-behaved. And it turns out that he’s, you know, got him at casinos. If you’re under 18, you’re not legally even allowed in casinos, so his son was breaking the law with him enabling it.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/12150698/


Jossy Mansur
DANA PRETZER
July 23, 2007

Dana: One thing that makes my listeners scratch their heads so to speak and wonder, myself included and we'll talk about it again, is the fact of the underage drinking and gambling that had been going on admittedly by young van der Sloot.  Was there ever any discussion or has there ever been any discussion at least of filing some charges as far as that goes?

Jossy:  No, there hasn't been any of that. The authorities have just (inaudible) it aside, they haven't paid any attention to it then and they're not paying any attention to it now and over the past 26 months.    I haven't seen anything in the direction of trying to make some kind of statement that this is not (inaudiable) at least make some sort of a statement that this is not (inaubible) because it is a known fact that as an underage he wasn't supposed to be in the casino, much less in the company of his father. He was there, there are video tapes to prove that and still the authorities haven't done anything with regard to that specific case.

http://scaredmonkeysradio.com/2007/07/23/the-dana-pretzer-show-monday-july-23rd-2007-special-guests-larry-sinclair-jossy-mansur-ladonna-meredith-attorney-jay-paul-deratany/


Joran van der Sloot
Suspect Statement
June 9, 2005

After that we drove straight to Carlos & Charlies. Deepak was the driver but I cannot remember now who was sitting beside him. I do not remember now if it was Satish or me. I estimate that we arrived at Carlos & Charlies between 00.15 and 00.30 hours. Deepak parked his car on the parking lot behind Carlos & Charlies and after that we walked into the building of Carlos & Charlies. I don't have to pay because I have a VIP pass. With my VIP pass Deepak and Satish were also allowed in.

To your question as to who gave me the VIP pass to Carlos & Charlies, I answer you that I got it through the office of Carlos & Charlies. I do not remember with the help of who I got the VIP pass. I got to Carlos & Charlies about one to three times a week.


Beth Holloway
LOVING NATALEE

Page 39:  Following our brief conversation, we all walk immediately to the fron desk to ask about someone named Joran who is staying in the hotel and plays in the casino here.  The Holiday Inn night manager, Brenda, knows him by name.  "Oh! yes ... yes ... Joran.  He gambles in the Excelsior Casino here.  He likes to prey on young female tourists.  Especially the blonds.   He is tall.  Good-looking boy.  Like a Dutch marine."   My mouth drops wide open.  "Where is he from?" I ask her.  She replies.  "He lives in Aruba."  I stutter.  "He's ... he's not a tourist just here for the summer?"  "Non, non," she says.

It takes a few moments to absorb this information.  The supposed tourist who befriended some of Natalee's classmates and who told them he was staying at their hotel lied tothem.  He isn't a tourist.  He isn't staying here.


Deepak Kalpoe
Suspect Statement
June 13, 2005

Andre asked me to come inside. I did go inside. I did not play, but did look at the cards of Joran and Guido.

At some given moment in time a tourist who was sitting at Joran's table got angry. The tourist thought that we were looking at the cards of other players and signaling/deciding for Joran when he should play or not. It lead to a disagreement between Joran and the tourist. The manager of the Radisson Casino came over and everything calmed down. I drank about four "whisky coke" gedronken in the Radisson Casino.  I now that Joran drank more because the waiters were constantly bringing him drinks.   I am not sure .what he was drinking. His drinks were of a yellow colour. I think it was “whisky soda" or 'Whisky water".


Aruba Suspects Accused of Taking Sex Photos of Another Girl
Thursday, September 01, 2005

The Kalpoe brothers were released July 4 and rearrested last week with a friend of the three young men, Freddy Alexander Zedan-Arambatzis (search), 21.
 
Zedan-Arambatzis, who is not suspected of involvement in the Holloway case, is accused of taking photos of a minor female in "tempting poses" and of showing the photos to other people, said his lawyer, Diana Emerencia. He is also suspected of having unspecified "physical contact" with the girl, she said.

The Kalpoe brothers and van der Sloot are also suspected of involvement in the incident, which allegedly occurred before Holloway disappeared, Emerencia said.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,168233,00.html


'Scarborough Country' for August 26
updated 12:49 p.m. PT, Mon., Aug. 29, 2005

JOSSY MANSUR, EDITOR, “DIARIO”:  It definitely smells that way.  You know, if you take the prosecution‘s statement at its face, we are talking on a whole new level, the charges here.  We are talking about drugs.  We are talking about rape and we are talking about rape of many different people.  There are four guys now in custody, four best friends.  What does that tell you?
 
MANSUR:  Well, what it tells me is that, really, these four guys are friends.  They belong to the same group, these party boys that go out and prey on young, unsuspected girls or other kinds of girls also that are out to have a good time, not suspecting what they‘re in for with these predators around.

And they are—they not only appear in photographs together, but I understand that Freddy lives very near to the Joran house.  So, there is a bond between them.  There is a group that they call themselves the pimps, in which all of these participate.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/9119491/


'The Abrams Report' for August 4
updated 8:37 a.m. PT, Fri., Aug. 5, 2005

TWITTY:  You know it's a pretty long scenario; we have a lot of details.  You know the main thing to sum it up is you know Joran, how he entered this establishment.  I believe that you know if you enter on the right side, you have to have a valid I.D.  If you enter Carlos N' Charlie's on the left side, you must have some type of—I don't know if it's a VIP pass or what to enter, but Joran enters the establishment on the left side, approaches these groups of tourists. 

You know it's interesting how he is able to try to work his way in and connect and establish himself in that—in Carlos N' Charlie's, was walking her around and these other tourists and was able to point out Satish and Deepak Kalpoe.  They were sitting ironically in the same corner, the same stools that they were seated at in the picture that's been all over international media, so that must be their spot that they wait while Joran is working.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/8838598
 

Deepak Kalpoe
Suspect Statement
June 10, 2005

To your question as to what role Joran plays in our circle of friends, I can state the following. He has no real role. We are all the same.

To your question as to where we take the girls we pick up, I can state the following. Sometimes the girls stay at "Carlos & Charlies" or sometimes we take them to their hotel.

To your question was to what exactly happens when we have picked up the girls, I can state the following. Just kissing and dancing.

To your question whether sexual intercourse has happened, I can state the following. Yes, it has happened.

To your question whether it ever happened that all of us, so in one room, had sexual intercourse, I can state the following. It has happened.

[Edward]

Paulus is not pointing fingers at anyone...Paulus is of no assistance to ALE..
He has only said his son was 200 percent innocent.. He heads up a lawsuit from behind the scenes for Deepak to gain untold fortunes if he wins..
He more appears to be part of rather then some outsider.
He and Joran are inside of the syndicate of players.

Like WRECK says... It Is A Cosmic WTF !!! 

[Tamikosmom]

I believe Paulus and/or Joran must have mob ties proven by the fact that Tacopino was defending Joran.  There is no other explanation.

Iris and I are not on the same page often but ... on this I tend to agree.

Janet

++++++++

[jen3560]

Well anyways I would like to support Kermits efforts to put pressure on..But onto whom ?
As I see it we have some extremely rich evil people who have conspired together. Anyone who seems to be of any threat has been eliminated. John S. appears to have made all his money for his efforts in the stock sales of his companies shares.. This is a big business move..  A way of funding somebodies efforts for a job well done.
He found the fish trap and you see today that Hugo is after the very same ocean floor that John has mapped out.. With that mapped out floor oil platforms can be pre built for any area determined to have a drill able spot.
 It is probably WHY we now see Hugo chum up with American oil and Dutch oil companies..
The politics are very think here..
Natalee is a victim of far more then just 3 boys after a little drug and rape session in my humble opinion.

That was actually Luis Shaefer who did that.

I seriously would like to know if what some at cng are stating is true - did Jug know that the main goal of the Persistence was oil related?

And then how that relates to what Chavez and the Russians are now doing, if at all?

And then also about the natural gas to Aruba from Venezuela that they agreed to last June?

Remember - the one that would require a pipeline between the two countries?

Because you're right Edward - any/all of this could benefit from the mapping of the ocean floor the Persistence did.

[Keepthefaith]

Well anyways I would like to support Kermits efforts to put pressure on..But onto whom ?
As I see it we have some extremely rich evil people who have conspired together. Anyone who seems to be of any threat has been eliminated. John S. appears to have made all his money for his efforts in the stock sales of his companies shares..
This is a big business move..  A way of funding somebodies efforts for a job well done.
He found the fish trap and you see today that Hugo is after the very same ocean floor that John has mapped out.. With that mapped out floor oil platforms can be pre built for any area determined to have a drill able spot.
 It is probably WHY we now see Hugo chum up with American oil and Dutch oil companies..
The politics are very think here..
Natalee is a victim of far more then just 3 boys after a little drug and rape session in my humble opinion.

Was it Silvetti or Schaeffer that got the BIG payday from stocks?I thought it was Schaeffer?Let me know if they both got paid..TIA

[Keepthefaith]

I believe Paulus and/or Joran must have mob ties proven by the fact that Tacopino was defending Joran.  There is no other explanation.

Iris and I are not on the same page often but ... on this I tend to agree.

Janet

++++++++

Doesn't Taco own some businesses in Italy?

[2NJSons_Mom]

Edward,

It was Louis Schaefer, whose Superior Offshore International, Inc. (DEEP) went under and stock shares were sold off by chief executives.....not John S., as you posted.