Caylee Marie Anthony #90 1/12/09 - 1/14/09

[heykim]

I'm sorry I started watching NG late.  Did the psychic explain why she was calling the Anthony's PI instead of the police w/ her info?

OK, watched NG tonight and the psychic.  If this took place on Nov 15th, etc...etc...they why did Jim Hoover fill out papers the week before with TES about this?? 

well you cant blame it on our CONVINIENT clever psychic... cause "Ginnette Matcia Lucas said Tuesday that after studying maps of the Orange County area where the Anthonys lived and holding a teddy bear that belonged to Caylee, she had that vivid dream on Nov. 15.

[cecilita]

The dead penalty is out of the table for Casey

[joesamas mama]

i wish i knew what casey thinks of all this circus..
i bet she never thought that HER daughter would bring the WORLDS attention to her disappearance..

i BET she never figured her mom would call the police when she did...

i BET she never figured she would have such a DREAM (or NIGHTMARE depending on how you view them and their bungling ) team...

i BET she figured that her brother would help her get out of it ...

i bet she thought that THIS case would be one of those missing children cases that goes unsolved and under the radar...and that she could quietly go about her business as the POOR MOMMY whos child went missing...and all the pity party that would come with it..

heck.. probably even thought her family would be on her side... although admittedly would feel angry at her for caylee being missing...

She reminds me of a new-age Scarlett O'Hara.  Well, sort of.

  I said that ages ago. Even made Dolce go watch Gone with the Wind. She hated it, but I totally agree. She only wished she was Scarlett O'Hara.

[Grandma2Maddie]

I am reposting this because I am really getting worried about this........


I am going to float this out there.  I don't even know what to think any more and I am a couple of pages behind.  Is it possible that she left Caylee at this house frequently, but when she went back the last time, Caylee had gotten into something and died?  Casey then panicked, thought she would bury her at home, changed her mind and then dropped the body off at the place where it was found.  At some point decided to make it look as though Caylee were kidnapped, thus the duct tape.  Throw nanners, I have though all along that Casey did this.  She would still be responsible, but......I don't know anything about law, but if they do not charge her correctly and this is happened, couldn't she actually get off?????

She could have been leaving Caylee there, but I don't think it was any accident.

I've been thinking about this for awhile.  I think KC and Caylee may have stayed there off and on when they didn't have anywhere else to go.  I don't think Caylee's death was an accident either.

[joesamas mama]

i wish i knew what casey thinks of all this circus..
i bet she never thought that HER daughter would bring the WORLDS attention to her disappearance..

i BET she never figured her mom would call the police when she did...

i BET she never figured she would have such a DREAM (or NIGHTMARE depending on how you view them and their bungling ) team...

i BET she figured that her brother would help her get out of it ...

i bet she thought that THIS case would be one of those missing children cases that goes unsolved and under the radar...and that she could quietly go about her business as the POOR MOMMY whos child went missing...and all the pity party that would come with it..

heck.. probably even thought her family would be on her side... although admittedly would feel angry at her for caylee being missing...

She reminds me of a new-age Scarlett O'Hara.  Well, sort of.

  I said that ages ago. Even made Dolce go watch Gone with the Wind. She hated it, but I totally agree. She only wished she was Scarlett O'Hara.

Casey only wished, not Dolce 

[Golden Oldie]

Cindy has no control over herself at all, she knew Lois would run to the media with this email. Who sends emails to people saying you can't come to a funeral?

Oh I did this crap when I was in Kindergarten..."You did not let me play with your dolly so you are not my friend anymore...you can not come to my birthday party"

GROW UP CINDY AND TAKE RESPONSIBILITY FOR YOUR ACTIONS....OR LACK THERE OF!

ITA, My daughter in 6th grade doesnt even act like that.....

I thought she repreminded kids at a birthday party, which KC was attending, for pulling something like that..."they wouldn't play with her."

It's so obvious where KC got/inherited her traits from.  Like mother/like daughter.

[Monken]

HEY ALL!! My hubby took over my computer to take a test for two freakin hours & just ruined my night!! I couldn't get on here to find out about that damn email!!! Now I've worn myself out fuming & I'm too tired to post; much! 

Anyway, we can add one more lier to the defense side! I do NOT believe this dowser/psychic ? at all. Wouldn't you just know she can't get hold of her cell records  Are they all crazy or what!!?? I'll take that back if she comes up with them of course!  But if she WAS talking to DC; why didn't he just say that in the first place; was he too embarassed to say it was a psychic? And if they're in business together.....

And Lois, why in God's name is she still emailing Cindy??? 

Nite All! 

[klaasend]

This psychic is FOS...sorry, but conveniently the call doesn't show up on the bill?  Give me a break!

Our Verizon bill does NOT show our calls.  I think we would have to go online to retrieve detail records.

I THINK she was saying that her phone bill goes to her father's office.  Maybe a family plan, or something?  She said her dad couldn't find the call.  Maybe her dad has to go online.

You'd think, if she's psychic, she should be able to figure this out.

Her father's office is HER office too.  She is not a child, she is an adult. 

http://www.paranormaladvisors.com/about.html

[joesamas mama]

Klaas where is Muffy? I haven't seen her in a while. Is she okay? TIA JSM

I'm not sure, she hasn't posted since the 10th.  I emailed her.  Hopefully she's just on vacation or something and forgot to tell us. 

Thanks Klaas, I miss her telling me I am off topic. You don't tell me that as much. 

[heykim]

i dont think that the meterreaderdude SOUNDED credible NOR do i believe that he just went there on a HUNCH...i THOUGHT it was to WHIZZZZZZ...

start the banana throwing.. i do NOT believe him...


*duck*

Duck? I thought you were a dove? 

nope... i would be the pathetic looking little monk BEHIND the dove...

[Orchidwmn]

That's it.  Kathi Belich is officially on my list.

OF PEOPLE I WANT TO HUG AND GIVE A BIG PAT ON THE BACK!!

She's up toward the top with Yuri, Tim Miller, Sherriff Beary and the rest of LE.

Geraldo just keeps climbing higher up on my other list, and Dominic Casey is the most recent addition.

Do these lists have the Titles Good and Evil?  Smart and Stupid, or People I would trust my dog with, People I wouldn't trust a houseplant with? 

[no rose colored glasses]

If the black garbage bags that Dom Casey was slicing open are not there anymore, there must have been something of interest in those bags, otherwise those bags should still be there.

[joesamas mama]

i dont think that the meterreaderdude SOUNDED credible NOR do i believe that he just went there on a HUNCH...i THOUGHT it was to WHIZZZZZZ...

start the banana throwing.. i do NOT believe him...


*duck*

Duck? I thought you were a dove? 

nope... i would be the pathetic looking little monk BEHIND the dove...

Oh, your not pathetic, neither is the cute monkey cuddling the dove.

[PJ]

HELP!! I need some help from you smart monkeys. I changed something under my profile, and now everytime I go to post it won't post right away, and I get some sort of warning message telling me: Warning - while you were typing a new reply has been posted. You may wish to review your post. It's getting on my nerves because sometimes I have to hit post a couple of times, especially when it's busy here!! I know I changed something but now I can't find it, and can some REALLY smart monkey help me out. Hope it's ok to ask this here, but I'm a desperate monkey. This has been driving me nuts all day today.

TIA smart monkeys!! 

I'll fix it for you then tell you what it was.  I FIXED IT

This is the default setting and I believe how most everyone keeps it



This is how you had yours before I changed it back.  Note, you don't even get PM's so checking this box won't help.

I was experiencing the same situation so am now just checking my changes out.  Thank you so much Klaas for this information.

PJ (Paula)

[Scatty]

If psychic, Ginnette Lucas, is lying about the cell phone calls, why would she do this?  She has to realize she could be in serious legal trouble.  Her 15 min. wouldn't be worth what lawyer fees are going to run her. 

But just think, she would have the reputation of a psychic that has proved herself nationwide to be accurate. She would leave Jeanne Dixon in the shade. IMO, that's why she agreed to this con.

[joesamas mama]

I am reposting this because I am really getting worried about this........


I am going to float this out there.  I don't even know what to think any more and I am a couple of pages behind.  Is it possible that she left Caylee at this house frequently, but when she went back the last time, Caylee had gotten into something and died?  Casey then panicked, thought she would bury her at home, changed her mind and then dropped the body off at the place where it was found.  At some point decided to make it look as though Caylee were kidnapped, thus the duct tape.  Throw nanners, I have though all along that Casey did this.  She would still be responsible, but......I don't know anything about law, but if they do not charge her correctly and this is happened, couldn't she actually get off?????

She could have been leaving Caylee there, but I don't think it was any accident.

I've been thinking about this for awhile.  I think KC and Caylee may have stayed there off and on when they didn't have anywhere else to go.  I don't think Caylee's death was an accident either.

Maybe she hid behind the big white drive through fence.

[Russ]

This psychic is FOS...sorry, but conveniently the call doesn't show up on the bill?  Give me a break!

Our Verizon bill does NOT show our calls.  I think we would have to go online to retrieve detail records.

I THINK she was saying that her phone bill goes to her father's office.  Maybe a family plan, or something?  She said her dad couldn't find the call.  Maybe her dad has to go online.

You'd think, if she's psychic, she should be able to figure this out.

If she did direct him, well then like I said much earlier, perhaps we oughta start believing in psychics.  If her call records show that she had direct contact with any Anthony Family member prior to the 15th of November, trouble is a coming for her and more importantly D. Casey.

I think Kathi B might be on to something.  This video and that house whereby a Gonzalez departed to Puerto Rico and left furniture, etc. might have been the Defense's master plan to create reasonable doubt.  If presented at trial, it could have been mighty interesting to see the SA squirm.  Now that it is out there, well there is plenty of time to investigate properly.

If anything, it is another oddly peculiar coincidence that a Hern Gonzalez left for PR and abandoned stuff some time ago so close to the house. Now, if we can only determine what the exact date of departure is, assuming the Neighbor is correct.

Odd.  Strange.  I can't put it together quite yet.  Where are the bags D. Casey sliced up?  Why haven't they even found Caylee's clothes yet?

[Golden Oldie]

i wish i knew what casey thinks of all this circus..
i bet she never thought that HER daughter would bring the WORLDS attention to her disappearance..

i BET she never figured her mom would call the police when she did...

i BET she never figured she would have such a DREAM (or NIGHTMARE depending on how you view them and their bungling ) team...

i BET she figured that her brother would help her get out of it ...

i bet she thought that THIS case would be one of those missing children cases that goes unsolved and under the radar...and that she could quietly go about her business as the POOR MOMMY whos child went missing...and all the pity party that would come with it..

heck.. probably even thought her family would be on her side... although admittedly would feel angry at her for caylee being missing...

She reminds me of a new-age Scarlett O'Hara.  Well, sort of.

  I said that ages ago. Even made Dolce go watch Gone with the Wind. She hated it, but I totally agree. She only wished she was Scarlett O'Hara.

Sorry, J Mama, I didn't know that or I wouldn't have accidentally plagiarized what you wrote.     

[heykim]

well DUH.. some NICE LITTLE VOLUNTEER EVIDENCE picker upper took the bags away to clean up the NICE LITTLE wooded ,snake infested, bug occupied   creepy dark CRIME SCENE...

*heavy sarcasm*

[GramaMonkey]

VERY INTERESTING points being made about the 9 to 1 remark, which always sounded weird, since that is a pretty big timespan and other tidbits of truth Casey might have spoken.  I recall in the JonBenet Ramsey case, the ransom note and other writings were examined by a forensic linguist named Andrew Hodge who maintains that people ALWAYS tell the truth, even when they attempt to lie, because their minds cannot stop the truth from bubbling to the surface.  He made a pretty good case for that.  I wish he would examine some of Casey's statements.  He said you have to read between the lines to figure out where the truth is, but that it can be done.  Some of you are doing that with the statements she has made and coming up with some good possibilities.

Here are a few things that occurred to me.  Both Cindy and one of the detectives said that Casey tells some truth in everything she says, no matter how preposterous, often by borrowing from books, tv shows, friends' experiences, etc.  Cindy swore that as much as Casey lied, she always told the truth eventually and some of the truth was hidden in even her worst lies.

  1.  Casey said at first, or led Cindy to believe, that Zenaida took Caylee because she loved her so much.  Therefore, she was not worried about Caylee being hurt, because Zanny loved her and would take good care of her.  Was this an outright lie to excuse her partying and not reporting Caylee as missing?  Or is there some truth in what she is saying?  We know Zanny is not real, so is Casey saying that Caylee is no longer in danger and that she is with someone who loves her...i.e., in Heaven?  Mothers who kill often justify their actions and their lack of remorse by telling themselves that the child is better off or in a better place.  Casey obviously feels no great remorse over what happened, so she must have convinced herself that it was all for the best.

  2.  In her little poem, "Everyone lies.  Everyone dies." Casey offers a big excuse for her actions.  If everybody lies, then the fact that she lies is not such a big deal.  Who can judge her if they all lie too, even her parents and LE.  Likewise, we all die eventually, so the fact that Caylee died is not that big a deal.  She would have died sooner or later.  Death is natural, so what Casey did is not so wrong in her mind.  Everybody dies, so death is something we all have in common.

  3.  I think he post about "On the worst of worst days, remember the words spoken." is a direct reference to Cindy and what Cindy said to her in their big blow up before she took Caylee and left.  I think those words were not spoken by some philosopher or poet but by her own mother.  In a way, she is saying, "When you find out that Caylee is dead or you realize she is gone from you forever, remember the words you spoke to me.  That is why Caylee is dead.  You are the cause, mom.  It is not my fault, it is yours."  Cindy said something, IMO, that not only cut Casey like a knife but made her furious and determined to see that she got even.  It may have been a threat to take custody of Caylee.  It may have been an admission to loving Caylee more.  It may have been a blanket criticism of Casey as a person and a parent.  I really think that is what is meant in that first line.

  4.  A really obvious example of her telling the truth even when lying is the way she says several times in the visits, "I cannot tell you anymore at this time" or "I cannot talk about that," from which Cindy ran with the notion that the whole family was in jeopardy and Casey was protecting not just Caylee but them all from harm.  But Casey was being truthful there.  If she told what happened, she would be admitting to her own guilt and putting herself in danger.  She truly could not say more without implicating herself. 

  5.  Finally, Casey has a pattern of casting herself as either the victim or the hero.  In her stories, she is sometimes abused, as when she says both her dad and Lee had sexually used her, or overwhelmed, as in her story about Zenaida and her sister forcing her to the ground and taking Caylee.  In both cases, the situation was out of her hands and she was the helpless little maiden.  But other times, she is a rock of support.  In her Zanny in the hospital story, she stays with Zanny and comforts her after a bad car wreck.  In another story, she cannot go with Amy because her poor dad has had a "mini-stroke" and she must be with him.  And of course, she was willing to go to jail forever to protect Caylee and her parents from the "people" who were holding Caylee. 

It is really very interesting to figure out how her mind works.  It seems stored with dates, names, incidents, ideas, etc. that she plucks out whenever she needs them.  Since the body was literally in an area that was kind of between the 9 and the 1 in the house numbers, you do have to wonder if she was sending out, knowingly or unknowingly, signals to her parents and Lee about where the body could be found.

If she was doing that, the implication is clear -- find the body and do something to help me.  Put it somewhere else or cover it up better where it is.  I don't think she was signalling them to inform the police that the body was in that location.  It was more "Clean this up for me so I can get out of here, and then we will just forget it ever happened."

WOW, interesting insight

the 9 to 1 comment.  Now that could be 9AM to 1PM....I took it to be the addresses on Hopespring  .... 470(9) ...470(1)  .......

BooMonkey was questioning the  9 - 1 comment.  This is what I posted.  I do not know what others have thought about it.