Caylee Marie Anthony #90 1/12/09 - 1/14/09

[Foggy Dew]

I wonder since the house was abandoned was there possibly a way of getting inside like an unlocked window or maybe a door that could have been easily opened. There could possibly be some things on the inside if the house and area was frequented by Casey.

I was wondering the same thing

Someone on another site said the neighboring house owners each have different last names which are the same group of last names Kio had.

Goodness, the girl she modeled her ZFG story after.

Russ, what where the names? To sleepy to go look them up TIA

I don't have a good way to find the home ownership.  Torrez is one name though I think.  Anyone know a good link to see property ownership?


Property tax records is one of the best ways to delve into that sort of thing.

[Iron Cowgirl]

I think it is very interesting that the name of the man who owns the abandoned house is named

Hernan Gonzales  (sounds like) Fernandez Gonzales.

I didn't know how to quote from a previous thread, but i just remembered reading about this...  (by Anothermonkey)...  Does anyone think they are connected?

UM...

This German dude...
http://www.facebook.com/people/German-Gonzalez/782849533#/friends.php?id=782849533

Did any of you already notice (I'm behind a few pages, so you may have).. he has a friend named: Angieoneida Gonzalez.    (who is from PR)



Someone also posted that they saw this German Gonzalez, with the spanish accent being pronounced more like Herman Gonzalez (Hernan?), but with a shortened nickname version being "Manny" which we all know sounds like "Zanny."

I know that is quite a stretch and since i am new to the thread, I'm curious if any of you can fill in some of the details that might connect these things?  Like, how did that name German Gonzalez even come out?  Is it possible that it was Hernan Gonzalez instead?  Maybe someone spoke the name or overheard it and it was taken a little wrong?  With Padilla talking about there being 3 meter readers and DC searching this house, I just don't know what is important info and what isn't.

Like I said, I know it's a stretch, so if anyone can fill in details, please do!

Ok.  I think I can answr your question.  Before we knew the name of the Meter Reader we thought HIS name was German "Manny" Gonzales.  It was not.  It is Roy Kronk.  But the house that was abandonded belonged to Hernan Gonzales.  But now that I am writing that my hinky meter is going up.  Why did we hear almost the same name before....  That is just way way weird.   

Yes, it's such a loose connection, but it's one that is just too odd for me to let go of without commenting.  I'm glad I'm not the only one that thinks it is hinky.  But I do have to wonder who the person that first dropped that name "German Gonzales" was.  If any monkey got it from another thread or possibly had a lead of some sort from another source, I would really like to know.  Mostly, I was curious if anyone came up with that name German Gonzalez, because he was a meter reader?  I am not trying to start a rumor about him.  I speak with no real knowledge of why that name ever surfaced, but omg, if someone told me he was a meter reader right now, I would maybe just fall over from shock right now.

 

[always 1]

I'm going to bed, night monkeys!   

Good nite Boo(tiful)

[Shan1628]

When I asked LP who he thought was on the phone with DC, he said Joy. 

If Joy is psychic, all of my gut reactions for the last 45 years must come into question.   

LMAO 

[crazybabyborg]

Read the psychic and dad's website.. it's hysterical.. they search for wells and locate the missing   
http://www.paranormaladvisors.com/services.html

The website graphics pretty much says it all. At first glance, I thought the guy on the left was taking a leak!

[kitkat53]

I looked at the pictures of the abandoned house in the Dominick Casey video. Somebody cuts the grass for that property. Somebody has been in that yard multiple times since the owners left. You'd think they would have noticed anything unusual... (more unusual than all those soda machines)


On Greta's show, Dr. Baden just said that police "have the hair, they have toxicology, they know who the father is, you know, from the DNA, uh, there is a lot of stuff they know"
Is he speculating? or does LE truly have DNA proof of paternity? And how come this isn't "bombshell" news? 
   

   

I am wondering what the address is of that house. Belich said it has been abandoned for
about a year. Well, no one lives there for now. There is a story to the house. Who just abandons a house unless it is a shack or these is some extreme issue.  Like someone said, there is someone taking care of it as it would be grown over with vegetation by now.

8718 Brackenwood Dr

[perriwinkle]

I wonder since the house was abandoned was there possibly a way of getting inside like an unlocked window or maybe a door that could have been easily opened. There could possibly be some things on the inside if the house and area was frequented by Casey.

I was wondering the same thing

Someone on another site said the neighboring house owners each have different last names which are the same group of last names Kio had.

Goodness, the girl she modeled her ZFG story after.

Russ, what where the names? To sleepy to go look them up TIA

I don't have a good way to find the home ownership.  Torrez is one name though I think.  Anyone know a good link to see property ownership?


Property tax records is one of the best ways to delve into that sort of thing.

Go to the Blog page of SM.  Red has the blog posted which includes the names of the neighboring homes with Zenaida.....  and GOnzalez

[perriwinkle]

I looked at the pictures of the abandoned house in the Dominick Casey video. Somebody cuts the grass for that property. Somebody has been in that yard multiple times since the owners left. You'd think they would have noticed anything unusual... (more unusual than all those soda machines)


On Greta's show, Dr. Baden just said that police "have the hair, they have toxicology, they know who the father is, you know, from the DNA, uh, there is a lot of stuff they know"
Is he speculating? or does LE truly have DNA proof of paternity? And how come this isn't "bombshell" news? 
   

   

I am wondering what the address is of that house. Belich said it has been abandoned for
about a year. Well, no one lives there for now. There is a story to the house. Who just abandons a house unless it is a shack or these is some extreme issue.  Like someone said, there is someone taking care of it as it would be grown over with vegetation by now.

8718 Brackenwood Dr

Supposedly the family returned to Puerto Rico....   

[flamom]

I looked at the pictures of the abandoned house in the Dominick Casey video. Somebody cuts the grass for that property. Somebody has been in that yard multiple times since the owners left. You'd think they would have noticed anything unusual... (more unusual than all those soda machines)


On Greta's show, Dr. Baden just said that police "have the hair, they have toxicology, they know who the father is, you know, from the DNA, uh, there is a lot of stuff they know"
Is he speculating? or does LE truly have DNA proof of paternity? And how come this isn't "bombshell" news? 
   

   

I am wondering what the address is of that house. Belich said it has been abandoned for
about a year. Well, no one lives there for now. There is a story to the house. Who just abandons a house unless it is a shack or these is some extreme issue.  Like someone said, there is someone taking care of it as it would be grown over with vegetation by now.

Kat, Florida has one of, if not the highest, foreclosure rates in the country right now.. people are just walking away..On almost every street here in Port St Lucie, you will see at least 1 or 2 empties. The banks maintain them, or the city will and then just bill the bank. They are doing this for those of us who are lucky enough to be in our homes.

[Shan1628]

random thought alert


when lee's lawyer bumbles through his answer about whether LEE was on the PHONE ...

he didnt say CONFIDENTLY that it wasnt..

and i dunno.... i SUPPOSE if you go with the option of what IS IS... perhaps lee told *fill in the blank with a creep d'jour*    who ACTUALLY made the call.....well then.. i guess the   bumbling idiot LAWYER  could be telling the TRUTH ..


naw.. that would never happen..

"Well, I take that back. I did not see it. Did I see it? No, I did not see that video. I take that back. That was not the video I saw."
      

If you all ever need a refresher, just look at my sig line 

[Rowanvamp0]

VERY INTERESTING points being made about the 9 to 1 remark, which always sounded weird, since that is a pretty big timespan and other tidbits of truth Casey might have spoken.  I recall in the JonBenet Ramsey case, the ransom note and other writings were examined by a forensic linguist named Andrew Hodge who maintains that people ALWAYS tell the truth, even when they attempt to lie, because their minds cannot stop the truth from bubbling to the surface.  He made a pretty good case for that.  I wish he would examine some of Casey's statements.  He said you have to read between the lines to figure out where the truth is, but that it can be done.  Some of you are doing that with the statements she has made and coming up with some good possibilities.

Here are a few things that occurred to me.  Both Cindy and one of the detectives said that Casey tells some truth in everything she says, no matter how preposterous, often by borrowing from books, tv shows, friends' experiences, etc.  Cindy swore that as much as Casey lied, she always told the truth eventually and some of the truth was hidden in even her worst lies.

  1.  Casey said at first, or led Cindy to believe, that Zenaida took Caylee because she loved her so much.  Therefore, she was not worried about Caylee being hurt, because Zanny loved her and would take good care of her.  Was this an outright lie to excuse her partying and not reporting Caylee as missing?  Or is there some truth in what she is saying?  We know Zanny is not real, so is Casey saying that Caylee is no longer in danger and that she is with someone who loves her...i.e., in Heaven?  Mothers who kill often justify their actions and their lack of remorse by telling themselves that the child is better off or in a better place.  Casey obviously feels no great remorse over what happened, so she must have convinced herself that it was all for the best.

  2.  In her little poem, "Everyone lies.  Everyone dies." Casey offers a big excuse for her actions.  If everybody lies, then the fact that she lies is not such a big deal.  Who can judge her if they all lie too, even her parents and LE.  Likewise, we all die eventually, so the fact that Caylee died is not that big a deal.  She would have died sooner or later.  Death is natural, so what Casey did is not so wrong in her mind.  Everybody dies, so death is something we all have in common.

  3.  I think he post about "On the worst of worst days, remember the words spoken." is a direct reference to Cindy and what Cindy said to her in their big blow up before she took Caylee and left.  I think those words were not spoken by some philosopher or poet but by her own mother.  In a way, she is saying, "When you find out that Caylee is dead or you realize she is gone from you forever, remember the words you spoke to me.  That is why Caylee is dead.  You are the cause, mom.  It is not my fault, it is yours."  Cindy said something, IMO, that not only cut Casey like a knife but made her furious and determined to see that she got even.  It may have been a threat to take custody of Caylee.  It may have been an admission to loving Caylee more.  It may have been a blanket criticism of Casey as a person and a parent.  I really think that is what is meant in that first line.

  4.  A really obvious example of her telling the truth even when lying is the way she says several times in the visits, "I cannot tell you anymore at this time" or "I cannot talk about that," from which Cindy ran with the notion that the whole family was in jeopardy and Casey was protecting not just Caylee but them all from harm.  But Casey was being truthful there.  If she told what happened, she would be admitting to her own guilt and putting herself in danger.  She truly could not say more without implicating herself. 

  5.  Finally, Casey has a pattern of casting herself as either the victim or the hero.  In her stories, she is sometimes abused, as when she says both her dad and Lee had sexually used her, or overwhelmed, as in her story about Zenaida and her sister forcing her to the ground and taking Caylee.  In both cases, the situation was out of her hands and she was the helpless little maiden.  But other times, she is a rock of support.  In her Zanny in the hospital story, she stays with Zanny and comforts her after a bad car wreck.  In another story, she cannot go with Amy because her poor dad has had a "mini-stroke" and she must be with him.  And of course, she was willing to go to jail forever to protect Caylee and her parents from the "people" who were holding Caylee. 

It is really very interesting to figure out how her mind works.  It seems stored with dates, names, incidents, ideas, etc. that she plucks out whenever she needs them.  Since the body was literally in an area that was kind of between the 9 and the 1 in the house numbers, you do have to wonder if she was sending out, knowingly or unknowingly, signals to her parents and Lee about where the body could be found.

If she was doing that, the implication is clear -- find the body and do something to help me.  Put it somewhere else or cover it up better where it is.  I don't think she was signalling them to inform the police that the body was in that location.  It was more "Clean this up for me so I can get out of here, and then we will just forget it ever happened."

Fascinating post, Hudsunn! Psychology is one of my driving interests, and I think you've really made some terrific, insightful, and very logical observations.

Best insight yet!! I'm going to tell my Aunt to come here and read this..verry fascinating!

[wendiw8780]

ok, monkeys, i didn't hear back from ya'll regarding me e-mailing jody about the t-shirts, so i'm gonna go ahead & do it. real quick any questions ya'll want me to ask? i am going to be very polite & respectful, but i want to know what this t-shirts say & where is the money going, charity, Caylee's memorial/burial/ or what! surely the t-shirts cannot say help find Caylee!!! tia.

wendi

Sorry Wendy, I buzzed through the posts so fast, I didnt get to reply to all the ones i wanted to.  I think it's a wonderful idea.  Nothing to lose right? 

nope, so i will let ya'll know what i hear back & also what i wrote. tia.

wendi

[flamom]

Russ, try the Orange County Property Appraisers office.. google the web addy

[Orchidwmn]

Read the psychic and dad's website.. it's hysterical.. they search for wells and locate the missing   
http://www.paranormaladvisors.com/services.html

The website graphics pretty much says it all. At first glance, I thought the guy on the left was taking a leak!

At first glance that is what I thought to, but actually he is witching:  thanks wikepedia!!

Dowsing, sometimes called divining, doodlebugging (in the US), or (when searching specifically for water) water finding or water witching, is a practice that attempts to locate hidden water wells, buried metals or ores, gemstones, or other objects as well as currents of earth radiation without the use of scientific apparatus. A Y- or L-shaped twig or rod is sometimes used during dowsing, although some dowsers use other equipment or no equipment at all.

Dowsing has been in use since ancient times and is still widely practiced although the scientific evidence for its efficacy is disputed.[1] In the 1980s German physicists undertook a large experimental study of dowsing and concluded that a "real core of dowser-phenomena can be regarded as empirically proven", while physiologist J. T. Enright wrote that those same experiments provided "the most convincing disproof imaginable that dowsers can do what they claim.

[Kat_Gram]

I remember that.
"Like, how did that name German Gonzalez even come out?  Is it possible that it was Hernan " I read it here. I believe the source was WebSleuths..
and what other stupid thing is :
Some psychic had said she will be found where the German Shepard pees... and then ...
they say the name as German Gonzales... this was the same day it was reported the a MR found remains.

[heykim]

safely back from walking THOR.. i TOLD you it is a scary walk!

[Shan1628]

So the phsycic called DC at 6am but the timestamp on the tape says 9. She is frome Bluemont, VA. I don't know if she was there when she called him but wouldn't the time difference from VA to Fl only be like an hour. I may be wrong I don't travel much but have been to Florida quite a few times.

no time difference.

[Iron Cowgirl]

I think it is very interesting that the name of the man who owns the abandoned house is named

Hernan Gonzales  (sounds like) Fernandez Gonzales.

I didn't know how to quote from a previous thread, but i just remembered reading about this...  (by Anothermonkey)...  Does anyone think they are connected?

UM...

This German dude...
http://www.facebook.com/people/German-Gonzalez/782849533#/friends.php?id=782849533

Did any of you already notice (I'm behind a few pages, so you may have).. he has a friend named: Angieoneida Gonzalez.    (who is from PR)



Someone also posted that they saw this German Gonzalez, with the spanish accent being pronounced more like Herman Gonzalez (Hernan?), but with a shortened nickname version being "Manny" which we all know sounds like "Zanny."

I know that is quite a stretch and since i am new to the thread, I'm curious if any of you can fill in some of the details that might connect these things?  Like, how did that name German Gonzalez even come out?  Is it possible that it was Hernan Gonzalez instead?  Maybe someone spoke the name or overheard it and it was taken a little wrong?  With Padilla talking about there being 3 meter readers and DC searching this house, I just don't know what is important info and what isn't.

Like I said, I know it's a stretch, so if anyone can fill in details, please do!

The name is for sure Hernan:

Thanks Klaas.  I get that the home is definitely owned by Hernan and I understand the facebook guy is probably 99.9% positively NOT connected in any real way to the case.  Just that the names are too close for me to let go of.  I feel like a bloodhound on a scent.  I don't even know what the scent is, but I'm compelled to sniff it to see where it goes.  I mean German, Herman, Hernan Gonazalez...  so if you shortened Hernan the same way you guys did German, you get NANNY...  And this guy moved back to PR according to his neighbor...  I mean, that is hinky!

 

[flamom]

"Well, I take that back. I did not see it. Did I see it? No, I did not see that video. I take that back. That was not the video I saw."
When I heard him say this, I laughed so hard I almost coughed up a lung! Best quote from this gagglecluster yet!!
On that note, I will take some magic cough medicine and go to bed..
Goodnight Smart Monkeys! 

[Shan1628]

Just trying to read through...a little hit and miss.  I did not see the GMA interview.  So is the general concensious of the monkeys that he was believeable? Do we need to call sponsors? 

He didn't show any pics, which was the litmus test, wasn't it?

He seemed honest to me, but I'm not the best judge.  Ive been married three times.

  LMAO