Caylee Marie Anthony #90 1/12/09 - 1/14/09

[Iron Cowgirl]

I think it is very interesting that the name of the man who owns the abandoned house is named

Hernan Gonzales  (sounds like) Fernandez Gonzales.

I didn't know how to quote from a previous thread, but i just remembered reading about this...  (by Anothermonkey)...  Does anyone think they are connected?

UM...

This German dude...
http://www.facebook.com/people/German-Gonzalez/782849533#/friends.php?id=782849533

Did any of you already notice (I'm behind a few pages, so you may have).. he has a friend named: Angieoneida Gonzalez.    (who is from PR)



Someone also posted that they saw this German Gonzalez, with the spanish accent being pronounced more like Herman Gonzalez (Hernan?), but with a shortened nickname version being "Manny" which we all know sounds like "Zanny."

I know that is quite a stretch and since i am new to the thread, I'm curious if any of you can fill in some of the details that might connect these things?  Like, how did that name German Gonzalez even come out?  Is it possible that it was Hernan Gonzalez instead?  Maybe someone spoke the name or overheard it and it was taken a little wrong?  With Padilla talking about there being 3 meter readers and DC searching this house, I just don't know what is important info and what isn't.

Like I said, I know it's a stretch, so if anyone can fill in details, please do!

Ok.  I think I can answr your question.  Before we knew the name of the Meter Reader we thought HIS name was German "Manny" Gonzales.  It was not.  It is Roy Kronk.  But the house that was abandonded belonged to Hernan Gonzales.  But now that I am writing that my hinky meter is going up.  Why did we hear almost the same name before....  That is just way way weird.   

I got a feeling that "abandoned house" holds many clues here.  Wasnt one of the places that KC says to look is PR??  Didnt the family in that abandoned house move back to PR?  HMMMMM????  I think this place holds some of her truth in a backwards sorta way. 

Wouldn't the neighbors who know that the house has been abandoned for a year also know if Casey had been spending time there?  I would think so. 

I think the same thing.  There has been speculation that she was using that house abandoned to leave Caylee there or going there during the day.  I just don't think that the neighbors of that house would not have noticed the amount of coverage this case has gotten and realized that.

I don't think she left her there really or anything like that, I just don't doubt that KC may have scoped out the house for any number of reasons.  Maybe she knew the people that lived there before they left or knew someone who lived next door like it was mentioned above...  Kio...  There's just no telling.  I would think CA and GA would have KNOWN that KC didn't really have a job.  You would think they would KNOW who Caylee's dad was without doubt.  If Kio mentioned the wooded areas around there as a hang out and a possible place to "discard" Caylee (NG's words, not mine) and if you look at that map, there appears to be a wooded area that backs up to the house.  As in, a short cut from KC's house without having to walk all the way up the street and just going through those woods.  Those things could explain why a neighbor hasn't come forward.  Or the neighbors could be undocumented or any number of other reasons they would not want to deal with law enforcement.  Let's not forget how any person that is unfortunate enough to have anything to do with this case gets vilified by the media, LE, the Anthonys, and some of us crazy bloggers that get a whiff of something and just run with it.

In other words, I'm not positing a theory as to why she was there or what the connection is, but that it is too odd for there not to be some kind of connection.  I enjoy the theories, though.  Most of them are bright and creative.  IF/WHEN the truth ever comes out, I think we will all be surprised regardless!

[heykim]

Well, time for me to go to bed.

Good night everyone.



Sorry my text on the map I made came out so blurry. Nobody commented on the map at all.

Tomorrow is another day.

 

Brandi the map was great.  I'm sorry I've been busy tonight and neglected to comment on it.  This case is so frustrating. 

aint THAT the truth! when i see DREW still getting him another young  VICTIM fiance'  i cant HELP but get that sick feeling in the pit of my stomach ......
SO MANY frustrating cases....

[Sea Searcher]

Good Night Monkeys...

All this computer learning dun wore me out...

See you in the morning for coffee

Be good...and stay on topic... 

[Russ]

The woman the Gonzalez's at 8718 Brackenwood Drive bought the house from has the same name, Gonzalez.  Interestingly, she signed the papers in NY City as she lived there at the time they bought the house which is now apparently abandoned so they could move to Puerto Rico. 

Goodness.  Did Casey know these people or are the neighbors Cruz-Torres related to Kio, possibly her parents and that is how she got the information?

[heykim]

Good Night Monkeys...

All this computer learning dun wore me out...

See you in the morning for coffee

Be good...and stay on topic... 

nite ELVIS  ss.. ! i am headed out too... got my rerun of NG on...

nite yall!

[seemeatthebeach]

My mom, sister, and I are going to visit Caylee's memorial site on Thursday.
If any monkeys have any suggestions of what they might like me to take photos/videos....in addition to the crime scene area, please let me know.
You can email me seemeatthebeach@aol.com
We are about 2 hours from where Caylee was found. If anyone else would like to go with us, we have room for 1 more person in my mom's car.

[akmom]

I am reposting this because I am really getting worried about this........


I am going to float this out there.  I don't even know what to think any more and I am a couple of pages behind.  Is it possible that she left Caylee at this house frequently, but when she went back the last time, Caylee had gotten into something and died?  Casey then panicked, thought she would bury her at home, changed her mind and then dropped the body off at the place where it was found.  At some point decided to make it look as though Caylee were kidnapped, thus the duct tape.  Throw nanners, I have though all along that Casey did this.  She would still be responsible, but......I don't know anything about law, but if they do not charge her correctly and this is happened, couldn't she actually get off?????

akmom,    Real life keeps intruding tonight, and I'm really worn out and brain-fried... still catching up...  slowly, in a fog...
 
Anyway, I saw this and wanted to say I do think it's possible that Casey would use a vacant house or apartment as a kind of hideaway, or personal clubhouse.  Her version of Caylee's backyard playhouse.  It could very well be a place to hide Caylee, too, alive or well, .. not alive.
 

And I do also think it is very interesting that this house has been vacant for "about a year" or "over a year" ----  that would be last Jan. or Feb. maybe.  Apartment #210 at Sawgrass, where Casey claims she "dropped off" Caylee with ZFG, was vacant and had been so since February '08, IIRC.

You know, Caylee's playhouse was what also got me to think about this.  Remember how much she loved it, per Jesse?  If she were left alone for hours at a time, she may very well have been used to "playing house" by herself.  What if, in those garbage bags, there are clothes and toys that she may have had there?  I hope LE gets to that property right away and looks over it good.  You are right, there are all these little bits of truth that we have come up with in this case. 

Whether it may have been an accident or not, Caylee's death is certainly Casey's fault, but she may have justified it in her twisted mind.  If CA and GA told her they were done being babysitters, she would blame them for anything that happened to Caylee because she felt she had to have time off and they wouldn't take care of her.

[Russ]

I think it is very interesting that the name of the man who owns the abandoned house is named

Hernan Gonzales  (sounds like) Fernandez Gonzales.

I didn't know how to quote from a previous thread, but i just remembered reading about this...  (by Anothermonkey)...  Does anyone think they are connected?

UM...

This German dude...
http://www.facebook.com/people/German-Gonzalez/782849533#/friends.php?id=782849533

Did any of you already notice (I'm behind a few pages, so you may have).. he has a friend named: Angieoneida Gonzalez.    (who is from PR)



Someone also posted that they saw this German Gonzalez, with the spanish accent being pronounced more like Herman Gonzalez (Hernan?), but with a shortened nickname version being "Manny" which we all know sounds like "Zanny."

I know that is quite a stretch and since i am new to the thread, I'm curious if any of you can fill in some of the details that might connect these things?  Like, how did that name German Gonzalez even come out?  Is it possible that it was Hernan Gonzalez instead?  Maybe someone spoke the name or overheard it and it was taken a little wrong?  With Padilla talking about there being 3 meter readers and DC searching this house, I just don't know what is important info and what isn't.

Like I said, I know it's a stretch, so if anyone can fill in details, please do!

Ok.  I think I can answr your question.  Before we knew the name of the Meter Reader we thought HIS name was German "Manny" Gonzales.  It was not.  It is Roy Kronk.  But the house that was abandonded belonged to Hernan Gonzales.  But now that I am writing that my hinky meter is going up.  Why did we hear almost the same name before....  That is just way way weird.   

I got a feeling that "abandoned house" holds many clues here.  Wasnt one of the places that KC says to look is PR??  Didnt the family in that abandoned house move back to PR?  HMMMMM????  I think this place holds some of her truth in a backwards sorta way. 

Wouldn't the neighbors who know that the house has been abandoned for a year also know if Casey had been spending time there?  I would think so. 

I think the same thing.  There has been speculation that she was using that house abandoned to leave Caylee there or going there during the day.  I just don't think that the neighbors of that house would not have noticed the amount of coverage this case has gotten and realized that.

I don't think she left her there really or anything like that, I just don't doubt that KC may have scoped out the house for any number of reasons.  Maybe she knew the people that lived there before they left or knew someone who lived next door like it was mentioned above...  Kio...  There's just no telling.  I would think CA and GA would have KNOWN that KC didn't really have a job.  You would think they would KNOW who Caylee's dad was without doubt.  If Kio mentioned the wooded areas around there as a hang out and a possible place to "discard" Caylee (NG's words, not mine) and if you look at that map, there appears to be a wooded area that backs up to the house.  As in, a short cut from KC's house without having to walk all the way up the street and just going through those woods.  Those things could explain why a neighbor hasn't come forward.  Or the neighbors could be undocumented or any number of other reasons they would not want to deal with law enforcement.  Let's not forget how any person that is unfortunate enough to have anything to do with this case gets vilified by the media, LE, the Anthonys, and some of us crazy bloggers that get a whiff of something and just run with it.

In other words, I'm not positing a theory as to why she was there or what the connection is, but that it is too odd for there not to be some kind of connection.  I enjoy the theories, though.  Most of them are bright and creative.  IF/WHEN the truth ever comes out, I think we will all be surprised regardless!

I want to know if the Cruz-Torres neighbor is Kiomarie's parents.  That would be how Casey knows about a Gonzalez moving to Puerto Rico with NY connections (house sold to Hernan Gonzalez from another Gonzalez who signed the deed transfer in NY).

[Puzzler]

I think it is very interesting that the name of the man who owns the abandoned house is named

Hernan Gonzales  (sounds like) Fernandez Gonzales.

I didn't know how to quote from a previous thread, but i just remembered reading about this...  (by Anothermonkey)...  Does anyone think they are connected?

UM...

This German dude...
http://www.facebook.com/people/German-Gonzalez/782849533#/friends.php?id=782849533

Did any of you already notice (I'm behind a few pages, so you may have).. he has a friend named: Angieoneida Gonzalez.    (who is from PR)



Someone also posted that they saw this German Gonzalez, with the spanish accent being pronounced more like Herman Gonzalez (Hernan?), but with a shortened nickname version being "Manny" which we all know sounds like "Zanny."

I know that is quite a stretch and since i am new to the thread, I'm curious if any of you can fill in some of the details that might connect these things?  Like, how did that name German Gonzalez even come out?  Is it possible that it was Hernan Gonzalez instead?  Maybe someone spoke the name or overheard it and it was taken a little wrong?  With Padilla talking about there being 3 meter readers and DC searching this house, I just don't know what is important info and what isn't.

Like I said, I know it's a stretch, so if anyone can fill in details, please do!

Ok.  I think I can answr your question.  Before we knew the name of the Meter Reader we thought HIS name was German "Manny" Gonzales.  It was not.  It is Roy Kronk.  But the house that was abandonded belonged to Hernan Gonzales.  But now that I am writing that my hinky meter is going up.  Why did we hear almost the same name before....  That is just way way weird.   

I got a feeling that "abandoned house" holds many clues here.  Wasnt one of the places that KC says to look is PR??  Didnt the family in that abandoned house move back to PR?  HMMMMM????  I think this place holds some of her truth in a backwards sorta way. 

Wouldn't the neighbors who know that the house has been abandoned for a year also know if Casey had been spending time there?  I would think so. 

I think the same thing.  There has been speculation that she was using that house abandoned to leave Caylee there or going there during the day.  I just don't think that the neighbors of that house would not have noticed the amount of coverage this case has gotten and realized that.

I don't think she left her there really or anything like that, I just don't doubt that KC may have scoped out the house for any number of reasons.  Maybe she knew the people that lived there before they left or knew someone who lived next door like it was mentioned above...  Kio...  There's just no telling.  I would think CA and GA would have KNOWN that KC didn't really have a job.  You would think they would KNOW who Caylee's dad was without doubt.  If Kio mentioned the wooded areas around there as a hang out and a possible place to "discard" Caylee (NG's words, not mine) and if you look at that map, there appears to be a wooded area that backs up to the house.  As in, a short cut from KC's house without having to walk all the way up the street and just going through those woods.  Those things could explain why a neighbor hasn't come forward.  Or the neighbors could be undocumented or any number of other reasons they would not want to deal with law enforcement.  Let's not forget how any person that is unfortunate enough to have anything to do with this case gets vilified by the media, LE, the Anthonys, and some of us crazy bloggers that get a whiff of something and just run with it.

In other words, I'm not positing a theory as to why she was there or what the connection is, but that it is too odd for there not to be some kind of connection.  I enjoy the theories, though.  Most of them are bright and creative.  IF/WHEN the truth ever comes out, I think we will all be surprised regardless!

I want to know if the Cruz-Torres neighbor is Kiomarie's parents.  That would be how Casey knows about a Gonzalez moving to Puerto Rico with NY connections (house sold to Hernan Gonzalez from another Gonzalez who signed the deed transfer in NY).

Russ....good questions!   

[klaasend]

I'm pretty sure I read that Kiomarie's house was on Hopespring just a few houses away from the Anthony's

[Desdemona]

Still back on p.44.  So what is taking me so long?  Well, I got sidetracked.

I read a post (Klaas?) saying that it is possible that the Zenaida Almodovar listing in WhitePages at 4709 Hopespring (the Dillon home) might be a plant  -- That Casey or someone else might have created that listing...

Okay, I found a Zenaida Almodovar's FaceBook (as other Monkeys probably have), showing a lot of Puerto Rico friends.  Not much info, though.  Moving on...

I did a Zaba search of the name, located some Orlando listings in the results, and found two addresses and phone numbers.  One address is on Curry Ford Road, the other on (uh I forgot, sorry)... Anyway, my head is hurting and I'm sooooo tired anyway and have no business doing research in my current state.  But I found something perplexing -- maybe some monkey would like to check this out?

Same number, different area code.  Look at this:

407/282-3530 is an Orlando number.  A reverse search locates this phone number at 455 S. Orange Avenue.  It is a multi-level round building across the street from Orlando City Hall.

321/282-3530 is a Winter Park number.  A reverse search locates this phone number at a large building that appears to be the Winter Park City Hall.

Looks odd!!??  Anyone?

Oh, looks like this Zenaida has an older male relative (father) named Victor, same name Casey gave for ZFG's s-dad.

ok..  cross-eyed at this point..  dragging my poor old monkey self back to p. 44....

TIA

Nice work.  I wonder if phonebook.com gets information added too, because that Zenaida matches the whitepages listing.  The reverse listings have different listings, but the Zenaida is on both.

Russ, thank you so much for checking it out.  I did have a thought that my big "find" might be explained by something really basic, like maybe if they are unlisted, then the whitepages locator just automatically gives you a map to the city center??  I don't know.

And it may or may not be significant to have the same number, diff area codes...

[Desdemona]

I'm pretty sure I read that Kiomarie's house was on Hopespring just a few houses away from the Anthony's

Correctamundo, Oh Great Master Monkey.  I just looked it up!  You are right, 4860 I believe.

BTW, did you get to see the t-shirt debacle by now?  The new myspace post on the official Caylee myspace, dated 1/13, hawking the leftover supplies of Caylee t-shirts, bracelets, etc?  Yikes.... Ghoulish, really.  Sickobilia for sale, come and shop while our merchandise is still in extremely bad taste!  Help us exploit our precious dead granddaughter while supplies last!
 

<sigh>  Poor, poor sweet Caylee....   

[Foggy Dew]

I'm just scratching my head trying to figure out the angle Cindy's going to use when/if Casey's fingerprints are on the duct tape. I don't doubt that she'll come up with some sort of torturous explanation, but she's to creative for me. I don't know how on earth she'll handle that one and maintain Casey's innocence.

Hah!  She'll prob say that her saintly daughter was duct taping the windows to keep out hurricane floodwaters when the late wee lamb got inbetween dutiful daughter and the window casing.

  Oh........ you owe me a diet coke!! Wiping off my monitor here!!

No new monitor for you  ! 

But I'm sure glad to hear that I've helped lighten this desperately sad (and depressing) discussion for a moment or two.  More often than not my late Daddy got on me re. my sarcastic bent but way back then that was the only way I could get my point across.  I don't do it on purpose, but I've noticed after some decades that folks repond to the absurd a bit more readily (even when it ticks 'em off)--esp. when it is re. a ridiculous and/or mind-boggling/heartbreaking situation.

I know. I felt guilty laughing, but the absurdity/tragedy mix is sort of like the laughter through tears thing. Thx! I needed that!!


CBB, there's nothing like a chuckle or a laugh to lighten ones load.  I have spent my life weeping for the lost and lonely ones, so every giggle opp I get, I go for it like gangbusters.  But if you saw me you'd think I carry the weight of the world on my shoulders and are a humorless sort.  Thankfully, folks like you and this forum, some very dear neighbors and beloved kin and family help me shrug off the load for a periodic rest.

When I signed on here I mentioned that two photos of the late Miss Caylee haunted me because of the resemblance they bear to two pics I have of my beloved older teenager when my heart's darlin' was a wee one.

I can hardly bear the thought of children/animals being lost or fearful.  It flat tears me up.  I kind of need to be here 'cause unlike some of the other convicted perps who've knocked off their own offspring, this alleged perp really, really spooks me.  And what spooks me more is the fact that (to my knowledge) no one was onto her cold, cold heart except in retrospect (if then).  Well, you know what I say?  Sorry, too little too late.

I don't want all the wonky folks to go to the pokey 'cause they are idiots and have no 6th sense.  I think some are truly gullible (witness OJ jury), others are too preoccupied to heed their 6th sense or BS meter.  No crime there.  But folks who let the alleged perp go on her merry way'll have to pay the piper whether through other criminal/civil means, karma, or their own guilt feelings--arguably the worst sentence of all if one actually has a heart. 

I can't really offer anything to the scared monkeys as re. research and such.  But its nice to be a new part of a group who won't berate me for my need to know why the alleged wackadoo did what is she is purported to have done.  Imho, it is counterproductive to worry about all the peripheral players unless they have a clearly tangible effect on the outcome of FL case against the prime suspect and how she spends her money while in the grey bar hotel etc.

I can't recall who said earlier that we will be amazed how clearcut this case is when LE/state's evidence comes to light (my words).  I totally agree.  I just wish the state would get on the stick and get this on the docket rather than fuel spec that they don't have everything they need to effect a slam dunk re. a conviction.  But then the devil's advocate critter in the other part of my mind whispers chill...justice will be served one way or another.  I want their case to be proven beyond a reasonable doubt.  I don't think any of us want an innocent party to be incarcerated or possibly executed.

Truthfully, I'd sooner the whole dysfunctional fam be thrown in a room together as I said in an earlier post.

To make it even more fun and accessible to folks into reality tv, let each fam member pick their own partner in crime (so to speak  )...then let 'em sort it out amongst themselves.  The survivor could have a position on Prez elect's cabinet or something.

Whatev. 

I just want Caylee to be safe and loved again.  I hope there is an afterlife and that she's snuggled in someone's loving embrace.

Right now I'm thinking so much for family values and it taking ...a village to raise a child.  What a bunch of rhetorical bs.  Everyone who knew the baby Caylee has some soul searching to do.    If they don't, well shame on 'em--and shame on any helpless creature that cross their paths in future.

Rant over...well, for now anyway. 

[Russ]

I'm pretty sure I read that Kiomarie's house was on Hopespring just a few houses away from the Anthony's

I remember that too, but I thought they moved.  I am trying to find out if this house is where Casey got the Puerto Rico connection and the NY connection.  I would also like to know when the H. Gonzalez family moved out and moved to PR or if they did at all.  I am going off what the neighbor purportedly told Kathi Belich and a curious person from Websleuths.  They said that the family packed up and went to PR a year ago.  Was it 7 months perhaps?  10 months?  6 months? or exactly one year?

IF this was the smoking gun evidence that Baez was going to use to create reasonable doubt, well he was doing a pretty good job until his plans were spoiled by Hoover.  I think the plan for defense at trial was just completely blown out of the water because LE has time now to investigate.  I wonder why police possibly didn't search this home or if they intend to search it at all?  Something stinks.  Was this where clothes or a phone is located?  I guess we wait and see, but in the meantime back to searching and reading.

[Russ]

Still back on p.44.  So what is taking me so long?  Well, I got sidetracked.

I read a post (Klaas?) saying that it is possible that the Zenaida Almodovar listing in WhitePages at 4709 Hopespring (the Dillon home) might be a plant  -- That Casey or someone else might have created that listing...

Okay, I found a Zenaida Almodovar's FaceBook (as other Monkeys probably have), showing a lot of Puerto Rico friends.  Not much info, though.  Moving on...

I did a Zaba search of the name, located some Orlando listings in the results, and found two addresses and phone numbers.  One address is on Curry Ford Road, the other on (uh I forgot, sorry)... Anyway, my head is hurting and I'm sooooo tired anyway and have no business doing research in my current state.  But I found something perplexing -- maybe some monkey would like to check this out?

Same number, different area code.  Look at this:

407/282-3530 is an Orlando number.  A reverse search locates this phone number at 455 S. Orange Avenue.  It is a multi-level round building across the street from Orlando City Hall.

321/282-3530 is a Winter Park number.  A reverse search locates this phone number at a large building that appears to be the Winter Park City Hall.

Looks odd!!??  Anyone?

Oh, looks like this Zenaida has an older male relative (father) named Victor, same name Casey gave for ZFG's s-dad.

ok..  cross-eyed at this point..  dragging my poor old monkey self back to p. 44....

TIA

Nice work.  I wonder if phonebook.com gets information added too, because that Zenaida matches the whitepages listing.  The reverse listings have different listings, but the Zenaida is on both.

Russ, thank you so much for checking it out.  I did have a thought that my big "find" might be explained by something really basic, like maybe if they are unlisted, then the whitepages locator just automatically gives you a map to the city center??  I don't know.

And it may or may not be significant to have the same number, diff area codes...

I don't know if that is the case.  Several possibilities.  I wonder if there is a Zenaida that used that address and phone numbers to rent furniture or to get a cell phone or something and they were here illegally so they used fictitious information.  Somehow it got listed and when Casey knew the address where the body was she did the same thing and did a reverse address lookup to create the name.  The second possibility is that she added the entries herself and just made the phone number up to create more clues.  Thirdly, someone added those entries afterward to play games or be stupid.  I think it would behoove one of us to contact whitepages.com and inquire when that entry was created.  That would be a good clue in eliminating some of the possibilities.

If created well before, then Casey used this information to create her characters.  If created afterwards, it was created to cover her characters.  If created well after, than we have a funny guy or gal with too much time on their hands.

[Desdemona]

I don't think she left her there really or anything like that, I just don't doubt that KC may have scoped out the house for any number of reasons.  Maybe she knew the people that lived there before they left or knew someone who lived next door like it was mentioned above...  Kio...  There's just no telling.  I would think CA and GA would have KNOWN that KC didn't really have a job.  You would think they would KNOW who Caylee's dad was without doubt.  If Kio mentioned the wooded areas around there as a hang out and a possible place to "discard" Caylee (NG's words, not mine) and if you look at that map, there appears to be a wooded area that backs up to the house.  As in, a short cut from KC's house without having to walk all the way up the street and just going through those woods.  Those things could explain why a neighbor hasn't come forward.  Or the neighbors could be undocumented or any number of other reasons they would not want to deal with law enforcement.  Let's not forget how any person that is unfortunate enough to have anything to do with this case gets vilified by the media, LE, the Anthonys, and some of us crazy bloggers that get a whiff of something and just run with it.

In other words, I'm not positing a theory as to why she was there or what the connection is, but that it is too odd for there not to be some kind of connection.  I enjoy the theories, though.  Most of them are bright and creative.  IF/WHEN the truth ever comes out, I think we will all be surprised regardless!

 
Whoa!  I need to step away from the compy and get to bed!  Cowgirl, your comment, especially the words "the house" (sentence bolded by me above) caused me to sit up straight and remember all those texts from Casey to Amy, in reference to:

"THE HOUSE." 
"The homeowner." 
"It's already vacant."
"Went by and saw it."
"Can't wait for you to see the house."
"Can't wait to move in together"
"All it needs is..."
"Making sure everything is all in order." 

It gave me chills for some reason.

Sick, sleepy, stressed monkey here.  "Thinker" not firing on all cylinders, but wow, that was quite a reaction I just had to your comment.

[Desdemona]

My mom, sister, and I are going to visit Caylee's memorial site on Thursday.
If any monkeys have any suggestions of what they might like me to take photos/videos....in addition to the crime scene area, please let me know.
You can email me seemeatthebeach@aol.com
We are about 2 hours from where Caylee was found. If anyone else would like to go with us, we have room for 1 more person in my mom's car.

Thank you seemeatthebeach.  I love your avi.

I am glad you are going......  please take some monkey hugs for Caylee if you have room...
 

[Russ]

Casey was telling Amy she was going to be renting a house and that she could move in with her, and this was sometime either before she planned to off her parents and take their house or after.  I wonder if this is how she got to know "that" house?  She met these folks on their way to moving to Puerto Rico and she did talk to them about renting and moving in.  This would be how she knew the name Gonzalez and Puerto Rico.  That is how she might have found out that they bought the house from someone named Gonzalez in NYC which NYC connection and perhaps a family member.  They might have said something about family in North Carolina and the other states she mentioned.   

[klaasend]

I'm pretty sure I read that Kiomarie's house was on Hopespring just a few houses away from the Anthony's

Correctamundo, Oh Great Master Monkey.  I just looked it up!  You are right, 4860 I believe.

BTW, did you get to see the t-shirt debacle by now?  The new myspace post on the official Caylee myspace, dated 1/13, hawking the leftover supplies of Caylee t-shirts, bracelets, etc?  Yikes.... Ghoulish, really.  Sickobilia for sale, come and shop while our merchandise is still in extremely bad taste!  Help us exploit our precious dead granddaughter while supplies last!
 

<sigh>  Poor, poor sweet Caylee....   

OMG no! 

[Desdemona]

<respectfully snipped>

I can hardly bear the thought of children/animals being lost or fearful.  It flat tears me up.  I kind of need to be here 'cause unlike some of the other convicted perps who've knocked off their own offspring, this alleged perp really, really spooks me.  And what spooks me more is the fact that (to my knowledge) no one was onto her cold, cold heart except in retrospect (if then).  Well, you know what I say?  Sorry, too little too late.
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I can't really offer anything to the scared monkeys as re. research and such.  But its nice to be a new part of a group who won't berate me for my need to know why the alleged wackadoo did what is she is purported to have done.  Imho, it is counterproductive to worry about all the peripheral players unless they have a clearly tangible effect on the outcome of FL case against the prime suspect and how she spends her money while in the grey bar hotel etc.
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I just want Caylee to be safe and loved again.  I hope there is an afterlife and that she's snuggled in someone's loving embrace.

Right now I'm thinking so much for family values and it taking ...a village to raise a child.  What a bunch of rhetorical bs.  Everyone who knew the baby Caylee has some soul searching to do.    If they don't, well shame on 'em--and shame on any helpless creature that cross their paths in future.

Rant over...well, for now anyway. 

Foggy, you have SO much to offer IMO -- you have a loving heart and a gift for expressing beautifully what many feel.

We care about Caylee.  We are indignant and furious on her behalf.  We are tireless in our desire for justice.  We are her family now.  We are the after-the-fact village, in a way... I really like your post, Foggy.