Natalee Case Discussion #794 1/18/09 - 1/23/09

[nonesuche]

It's those who have been selfless about their involvement that impress me. They don't boast about contacting the family or advance that their theory exceeds all others, but instead present rational discussion and review of the information that we do have. That promote avenues to validate information, to work and to serve as conduits for that and for justice.

I grew tired of the chest beating of some they they hold all truth quite some time ago, as it relates to this case. I don't think anyone has the right to come to SM and pound on Klaas in the way that Hotshot has, or others. I know Klaas has been selfless and determined to be an advocate for Natalee and her family.

There is a distinct difference that is lost on some, as to what truly is being an advocate.

[ospainter]

It's those who have been selfless about their involvement that impress me. They don't boast about contacting the family or advance that their theory exceeds all others, but instead present rational discussion and review of the information that we do have. That promote avenues to validate information, to work and to serve as conduits for that and for justice.

I grew tired of the chest beating of some they they hold all truth quite some time ago, as it relates to this case. I don't think anyone has the right to come to SM and pound on Klaas in the way that Hotshot has, or others. I know Klaas has been selfless and determined to be an advocate for Natalee and her family.

There is a distinct difference that is lost on some, as to what truly is being an advocate.

Amen

[Tamikosmom]

For people who are out for the good of other people, I think you should all take a look at the way you have been acting.  Not just the stuff you have been talking about me, but the whole scenario last night was very hurtful, and hateful.  To call one "crazy", in itself is degrading.  Stop bringing up things that happened in the past that degrades people.  You don't know the whole story, you were not there, so don't speak of it as being actual.  You hear it from one person and hold that to being true?  No, there are 3 sides.  Mine, yours, and the truth.  Even if I were to talk about what happened, would you believe me?  "NO".  So why even try, I know it's not worth the time.  But to state some of the other things like my website has "who evers" name in the chat box is just ludicrist.  I had not even been there for the last few weeks, so to think I put "who evers" name in there is just plain silly.  I personally am not here for any of you, I am here for Natalee, to help get to the bottom of things.  If it means going back to do things I needed to do, then so be it.  Don't make fun of it, at least I was doing something.  Yes, I am one of those people who truely do think she was in that trap.  Why are you poking at that?  I never said I didn't think it to be true.  I also believe in CAPS, even though you want to burn him at the stakes.  NO Klaas, I don't want to be the "show", nor do I want to MAKE you believe what I believe.  To be at SM used to be something to strive for to be with others in the know, and help to find Natalee.  Recently, it has become a repeatative source of info about Kyle/Silvetti/Schafer.  Kermit, if you have something to say, SAY IT.  You always have more coming, well SPIT IT OUT!  You all poke fun at that when someone else states something like that, what makes her so different?  People are clinging on to your every word, like your some kind of God, so tell them what you know.  You all (4) quit the Freebirds to come here, do something.  Speaking about the Freebirds, theres yet another time you all took for granted you knew what was going on when you saw the picture of me and Croes.  You didn't even ask of why I was there, just stuck me down from out of no-where. Threw me out!  But Thanks to that I have met one of the finest people I could ever meet, Stephanie Good.  She is still a dear friend to me today.   Dave knew why I was there, thats all that counts.  Beth knew all that happened also, after the fact, and still applauds it.  They needed new faces down there and still do.  I had been talking to some of the perps since day 3.  To get just one piece of info was of the utmost importance.  Did you all take that into consideration?  You talk about how I have the Kalpoes on my site, and how they took over my identity, yes not only did they do that on Zorpia, but one of them did it to me right here on SM one night.  Go ahead and call me "crazy" again.  But they had my name, my sign in, we were both on at the same time, however he was one step ahead of me.  Talking about Venezuela, and chasing the car.  How would I even know anything about that?  It was being talked about as it was happening.  No-one here chose to believe that, and thats fine.  I know what happened, again I don't have to explain.  Yes, at one point I too was a FreeBird, was asked to go to the meeting in Alabama.  I chose not to go.  I chose to stay with SM and do my part here.  Go to the Boycotts, and help where ever I could.  Again don't poke fun at that, I was out there doing something.  The Boston (5) didn't come from No where, and we are the ones who originated them.  No Klaas I don't want to be the first person to come up with things.  It's nice to know that I did though.  Did those week-ends help?  Yes they did.

 

JEEEEEN!!!

Thanks Kermit

Janet

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Hotshot, you have never been a part of the Freebirds. EVER! That means NEVER!

[Anna]

And for the record, I find it very insulting for somebody to claim that I am stupid enough to think the FBI is at all concerned with what any anonymous poster on an internet forum might have to say about a Dutch citizen.

Others apparently are, however.


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[WhiskeyGirl]

Hotshot!

1.You believe CapsLockWizard?I've posed the question to you.Ask him when the MAJOR player will be arrested.I think that was SUPPOSED to happen about a week and a half ago.Major player hasn't been arrested YET,but you still believe CapsLockWizard.Heed your own words in regards to Kermit SPITTING it out and send CapsLockWizard an email,and or call him and tell the RIDDLER to SPIT IT OUT!

2.CapsLockWizard has done absolutely NOTHING that i can see or read!

3.In regards to Kermit.Put on your seat-belt cause there's more to come.

4.Kermit isn't a GOD.Kermit is a Muppet and a FABULOUS one at that!

KEEPTHEFAITH

With all the revelations by Caps, Kermit, and others, why are PJ2K and others still walking free?  Others?

[Tamikosmom]

Hotshot said: "Speaking about the Freebirds, theres yet another time you all took for granted you knew what was going on when you saw the picture of me and Croes."

The Freebirds did not write about your association with Steve Croes. That was this article.

I SMELL A RAT...COMMENTARY BY MERI


http://arubanboycott.blogspot.com/2006_06_01_archive.html

 

Thanks Kermit.

Janet

++++++++

I SMELL A RAT...COMMENTARY BY MERI

Family Supporter" and Blogger
Gives BIG Hugs to Steve Croes

By Meri, Aruban Boycott Contributor

WTF???

What is the motive of a person who starts a blog/website in support of Natalee and her family and then goes and hugs one of the "Suspects" in her disappearance?

We know that Steve Croes has lied several times on several occasions. We know that he supported a lie told by Joran and the Kalpoe's that caused the investigation to be delayed for nine days thereby losing valuable evidence. We know that Croes has some involvement in what happened to Natalee and that he definitely knows a LOT more than he's telling. We also know that some people are supposedly on the side of finding out the real truth of what happened to Natalee yet are in this for the glory, attention and God knows what else.

I am beyond appalled that a person with her own blog and website would be hugging this vile creature who lies and who may have prevented the truth from coming out well over a year ago and continues to lie and lie and lie.

This same person purchased flowers and threw them into the ocean in the USA in a so-called tribute to Natalee on the one year anniversary of her disappearance.

Noble? Not when she photographed herself tossing those flowers and sent those photos to Natalee's family. Can you say self-aggrandizement? Can you say attention seeking?

Also, while I'm on the subject of someone attempting to claim all of the glory for herself I should mention that on this person's blog, there is no reference to Michelle's blog (a blog read by thousands and by far the most valuable grassroots movement to continue and encourage the boycotting of Aruba, The Netherlands and The Netherland Antilles). Why is Michelle's blog not referred to on this person's site? Could it be because she is afraid that people will come to read here (where genuine news is disseminated and where people support the family of Natalee without asking for anything at all in return?)

The terribly sad part of all this is that the family suffers on a daily basis and surely doesn't need pretenders. What's next...a picture of Miss Congeniality hugging Joran? Maybe she can have dinner with him and his father and he can explain himself to her...you know, explain all of the lies. That might take weeks to accomplish because there have been so many lies.

To the person in question....be ashamed...VERY ashamed. You are a black mark on all of those who work so hard to find the truth without the need to seek out self-promoting hugs from anyone who is considered a "Suspect".

I have felt ill listening to the many stories and falsehoods concocted by the ALE and the "Suspects" but nothing has made me feel quite as queasy as the picture accompanying this article.

Shame on you. With friends like this, the Holloway/Twitty's don't need any enemies.

Photo:[/b]
http://arubanboycott.blogspot.com/2006/06/i-smell-ratcommentary-by-meri.html

[Tamikosmom]

Hotshot!

1.You believe CapsLockWizard?I've posed the question to you.Ask him when the MAJOR player will be arrested.I think that was SUPPOSED to happen about a week and a half ago.Major player hasn't been arrested YET,but you still believe CapsLockWizard.Heed your own words in regards to Kermit SPITTING it out and send CapsLockWizard an email,and or call him and tell the RIDDLER to SPIT IT OUT!

2.CapsLockWizard has done absolutely NOTHING that i can see or read!

3.In regards to Kermit.Put on your seat-belt cause there's more to come.

4.Kermit isn't a GOD.Kermit is a Muppet and a FABULOUS one at that!

KEEPTHEFAITH

With all the revelations by Caps, Kermit, and others, why are PJ2K and others still walking free?  Others?

The same reason there was no accountability from the getgo for the participation in the events encompassing the morning of May 30, 2005 ... there was a coverup in the investigation ... coverup to protect Paulus, Joran, Deepak and Satish from implication.

Whiskeygirl ... if Kyle Kingman's words are to be believed and ... I am a believer ... an American by the name of John Silvetti participated in the grand finale' to the great Aruban coverup.

Janet

+++++++

The Jonesboro Sun
January 29, 2007

Twitty recalled the first days after her daughter's disappearance and the actions of the Aruban government.

"We did everything we could in looking for her.  There was a government coverup, and it has been documented," Twitty contended.

http://www.jonesborosun.com/story.php?ID=25809


'Scarborough Country' for Oct. 21st
updated 1:46 p.m. PT, Sun., Oct. 23, 2005

HOLLOWAY TWITTY: They never—they never wanted to implicate these three young men.  They never wanted to implicate them from the beginning. And there is a list of reasons, you know, why we know that is true.

http://msnbc.msn.com/id/9796403/from/RL.2/


'Rita Cosby Live & Direct' for December 1
updated 7:37 a.m. PT, Fri., Dec. 2, 2005

BETH HOLLOWAY TWITTY, NATALEE HOLLOWAY'S MOTHER: Well, of course, it's very frustrating. You know, the entire investigation, that's all we've had is frustration coming out of the officials from Aruba.  You know, evidence—you know when evidence is gathered and lost or evidence is never gathered when it's supposed to be, just (INAUDIBLE) the primary residence of Paulus Van Der Sloot was never searched —I mean, you know, it just can't help but raise all the questions of—and leave us frustrated.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/10295536/


'Rita Cosby Live & Direct' for Dec. 5th
updated 6:18 a.m. PT, Tues., Dec. 6, 2005

TWITTY: ... Remember, within the first 24 hours, we knew who the suspects were. We knew the persons that Natalee were taken from Carlos and Charlie‘s. We knew the license plate of the gray Honda they placed her in. We knew the condition that Natalee was in. We knew the behavior or the conduct in which they engaged in with Natalee.

And then not only that, Jane, within 72 hours, we knew that their first story was totally fabricated, that within the first 72 hours, I faced a room of 12 -- at least 12 detectives, Aruban and Dutch detectives, and a lead detective, Dennis Jacobs (ph), and they knew after we reviewed video footage from the Holiday Inn casino lobby that my daughter had never been brought back to the Holiday Inn. They knew that those suspects were fabricating a story from day one.

<snipped>

TWITTY: Well, Jane, something that the family knew—and we have to keep reminding everyone—after 72 hours -- 72 hours—we knew definitively that these suspects were not telling the truth. We knew that my daughter had never been brought back to the Holiday Inn. Of course we were becoming frustrated. Who wouldn‘t, at this point? You know, we—and what was so unbelievable about this, is they knew this information and still chose to pursue the two security guards on June the 5th.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/10348437/


KYLE KINGMAN - IN HIS OWN WORDS

Kyle:   John is not a believer in the trap. He took ALE's word as gospel that it wasn't case related, yet never studied the videos or bothered to inquire further. He had plans on doing business with Aruba and in S. America and he didn't want to hurt any feelings by talks hinting at lack of complete trust and friendship.

Kyle: John Silvetti told me today that he may be returning to Aruba very soon for a few days. (05/08/08)

Kyle: He's [John Silvetti] seriously making plans to open an Aruba office so he can conduct business easier in S. America and that would allow him to do that. (06/10/08)

[Tamikosmom]

GOOD MORNING MONKEYS!!!

Janet
9:00 AM PT

[Magnolia]

GOOD MORNING MONKEYS!!!

Janet
9:00 AM PT

Good Morning, Janet!!!
We just got a new president!!

[Tamikosmom]

GOOD MORNING MONKEYS!!!

Janet
9:00 AM PT

Good Morning, Janet!!!
We just got a new president!!

GOD BLESS AMERICA!!!

[hotping]

GOOD MORNING MONKEYS!!!

Janet
9:00 AM PT

Good Morning, Janet!!!
We just got a new president!!

GOD BLESS AMERICA!!!

Amen.

[sharon]

GOOD MORNING MONKEYS!!!

Janet
9:00 AM PT

Good Morning, Janet!!!
We just got a new president!!

GOD BLESS AMERICA!!!

Good morning Janet.

Yes, Magnolia! I'm watching our peaceful transition of power.

God Bless America 

[sharon]

that would be 'transition'

[hotping]

Hotshot said: "Speaking about the Freebirds, theres yet another time you all took for granted you knew what was going on when you saw the picture of me and Croes."

The Freebirds did not write about your association with Steve Croes. That was this article.

I SMELL A RAT...COMMENTARY BY MERI


http://arubanboycott.blogspot.com/2006_06_01_archive.html

 

Thanks Kermit.

Janet

++++++++

I SMELL A RAT...COMMENTARY BY MERI

Family Supporter" and Blogger
Gives BIG Hugs to Steve Croes

By Meri, Aruban Boycott Contributor

WTF???

What is the motive of a person who starts a blog/website in support of Natalee and her family and then goes and hugs one of the "Suspects" in her disappearance?

We know that Steve Croes has lied several times on several occasions. We know that he supported a lie told by Joran and the Kalpoe's that caused the investigation to be delayed for nine days thereby losing valuable evidence. We know that Croes has some involvement in what happened to Natalee and that he definitely knows a LOT more than he's telling. We also know that some people are supposedly on the side of finding out the real truth of what happened to Natalee yet are in this for the glory, attention and God knows what else.

I am beyond appalled that a person with her own blog and website would be hugging this vile creature who lies and who may have prevented the truth from coming out well over a year ago and continues to lie and lie and lie.

This same person purchased flowers and threw them into the ocean in the USA in a so-called tribute to Natalee on the one year anniversary of her disappearance.

Noble? Not when she photographed herself tossing those flowers and sent those photos to Natalee's family. Can you say self-aggrandizement? Can you say attention seeking?

Also, while I'm on the subject of someone attempting to claim all of the glory for herself I should mention that on this person's blog, there is no reference to Michelle's blog (a blog read by thousands and by far the most valuable grassroots movement to continue and encourage the boycotting of Aruba, The Netherlands and The Netherland Antilles). Why is Michelle's blog not referred to on this person's site? Could it be because she is afraid that people will come to read here (where genuine news is disseminated and where people support the family of Natalee without asking for anything at all in return?)

The terribly sad part of all this is that the family suffers on a daily basis and surely doesn't need pretenders. What's next...a picture of Miss Congeniality hugging Joran? Maybe she can have dinner with him and his father and he can explain himself to her...you know, explain all of the lies. That might take weeks to accomplish because there have been so many lies.

To the person in question....be ashamed...VERY ashamed. You are a black mark on all of those who work so hard to find the truth without the need to seek out self-promoting hugs from anyone who is considered a "Suspect".

I have felt ill listening to the many stories and falsehoods concocted by the ALE and the "Suspects" but nothing has made me feel quite as queasy as the picture accompanying this article.

Shame on you. With friends like this, the Holloway/Twitty's don't need any enemies.

Photo:[/b]
http://arubanboycott.blogspot.com/2006/06/i-smell-ratcommentary-by-meri.html

The picture tells it all....I wonder if She had been slipped some XTC....  EEEWWWW! I'm glad last night when Kermit posted the links I didn't read and see the picture because...if I had I would have had nightmares for sure.... 

[klaasend]

I'm watching the transition as well. 

[Magnolia]

Hotshot is a puzzlement!
I think she has done more harm than good, in spite of
what may have started out as good intentions.
She lost the path along the way.
It became about Hotshot and not about Natalee.

[bleachedblack]

So true the saying, one picture is worth a thousand words.........

[wingnut]

do you know how to get in touch with beth holloway? or maybe you know if she is doing any more appearances this year near michigan. I would like to speak to her if i can, i have some idea about how to find her daugter.
thanks if you can help

If you really have information I suggest you go directly to the FBI office in Birmingham Alabama.  They have the ability to check you and your information out far better than Beth.

http://www.fbi.gov/wanted/seekinfo/holloway.htm

Brought over from the Beth's Book thread.  Wasn't there somebody else involved from Michigan?

Paul Brough (aka Mr. Pink) and a troll front page poster by the name of Johnm (aka Gretamal, katymal, etc) that has since been banned. 

What about SandraK?

http://www.quadcitiesgasprices.com/Profile.aspx?member=sandraK

[hotping]

Hotshot is a puzzlement!
I think she has done more harm than good, in spite of
what may have started out as good intentions.
She lost the path along the way.
It became about Hotshot and not about Natalee.

It sure looks that Way! 

[hotping]

So true the saying, one picture is worth a thousand words.........

Thousands and Thousands!