Natalee Case Discussion #794 1/18/09 - 1/23/09

[johan555]

Johan - please read Sander's statement above.  By the way, why would we believe for a moment that the Gottenbos was at the location you are showing?  What is your source?  Anyone can say anything doesn't make it true.

We know for a fact the boat was normally trailered.  So please do tell us where you are getting this information.

Edited to add:  If the boat was docked there that is extreemly close to the FM huts so what is your point?

http://forensicthoughtprints.com/aruba/default.html

Sorry but I'm not going to read through that mans entire page.  Would you please copy and paste the specific part you are wanting to reference? 

OK, I found this but I have no idea what his sources are.  If it's true the Gottenbos boat was moored (tied up) at this location then it would be even more convenient to use it. 

Later that afternoon, I drove out to the California Lighthouse. Retuning to the cluster of seaside hotels just north of the city, I then walked north along the beach from the Holiday Inn to Fisherman's Huts. Indeed, it's a relatively short walk going right past the nearby marina between the Holiday Inn and Marriott where the Gottenbos boat had been moored on May 30, 2005. (Gottenbos family members had been friends with the van der Sloots.)

Where does it say the boat was in repair?  Moored does not equal repair.

Where does it say the boat was in repair? 

i try to find that info 

[Keepthefaith]

Johan - please read Sander's statement above.  By the way, why would we believe for a moment that the Gottenbos was at the location you are showing?  What is your source?  Anyone can say anything doesn't make it true.

We know for a fact the boat was normally trailered.  So please do tell us where you are getting this information.

Edited to add:  If the boat was docked there that is extreemly close to the FM huts so what is your point?

http://forensicthoughtprints.com/aruba/default.html

Sorry but I'm not going to read through that mans entire page.  Would you please copy and paste the specific part you are wanting to reference? 

OK, I found this but I have no idea what his sources are.  If it's true the Gottenbos boat was moored (tied up) at this location then it would be even more convenient to use it. 

Later that afternoon, I drove out to the California Lighthouse. Retuning to the cluster of seaside hotels just north of the city, I then walked north along the beach from the Holiday Inn to Fisherman's Huts. Indeed, it's a relatively short walk going right past the nearby marina between the Holiday Inn and Marriott where the Gottenbos boat had been moored on May 30, 2005. (Gottenbos family members had been friends with the van der Sloots.)

Where does it say the boat was in repair?  Moored does not equal repair.

Where does it say the boat was in repair? 

i try to find that info 

So excited to see who the source is!

[Edward]

I would think The huts located at the foot of the lighthouse along the beach.
I do not know why people keep looking at these other huts..
 Possibly because this is where deepak says he stops to take a leak. Or possibly because of the mattress with the "dog blood" ? God only knows who or even how that was determined without a forensics detective taking samples and turning them over to a lab to make this determination..
ALL admit as being at the lighthouse.. 

[johan555]

Johan - please read Sander's statement above.  By the way, why would we believe for a moment that the Gottenbos was at the location you are showing?  What is your source?  Anyone can say anything doesn't make it true.

We know for a fact the boat was normally trailered.  So please do tell us where you are getting this information.

Edited to add:  If the boat was docked there that is extreemly close to the FM huts so what is your point?

http://forensicthoughtprints.com/aruba/default.html

Sorry but I'm not going to read through that mans entire page.  Would you please copy and paste the specific part you are wanting to reference? 

OK, I found this but I have no idea what his sources are.  If it's true the Gottenbos boat was moored (tied up) at this location then it would be even more convenient to use it. 

Later that afternoon, I drove out to the California Lighthouse. Retuning to the cluster of seaside hotels just north of the city, I then walked north along the beach from the Holiday Inn to Fisherman's Huts. Indeed, it's a relatively short walk going right past the nearby marina between the Holiday Inn and Marriott where the Gottenbos boat had been moored on May 30, 2005. (Gottenbos family members had been friends with the van der Sloots.)

Where does it say the boat was in repair?  Moored does not equal repair.

Where does it say the boat was in repair? 

i try to find that info 

So excited to see who the source is!

it was on fok

    Er staat een video op youtube van een meisje in het roze die een tankstation binnenkomt. Deze video is van de dag na de verdwijning. Wat mij betreft kan het haar zijn (ze heeft hetzelfde loopje als op de casino-video), maar aan de andere kant denk ik dat de lengte niet klopt en zie je haar niet hele erg duidelijk. De medewerkster van het casino dacht trouwens wel dat ht Natalee was.

Ik weet niet wat de theorie van Peter R precies is dus ik kan niet zeggen wat niet klopt. Wat ik hoop dat naar voren komt in de uitzending van morgen is het volgende:

1. Welke vriend is met het lijk de zee opgegaan? Noemt hij hier Koen Gottenbos? Zo ja, dan is het duidelijk gelogen; die heeft een waterdicht alibi EN de Gottenbos-boot was kapot en kon niet varen.

2. Wanneer is het lijk de zee in gegooid? Qua tijdlijn die door de politie is vastgesteld met data van computers en telefoons, vraag ik me af of Joran er tijd voor heeft gehad om haar te dumpen. Ervanuitgaande dat Joran mee is gegaan in de boot uiteraard.

3. Hoe heeft Joran contact opgenomen met de vriend? hij heeft alleen Deepak met zijn mobiel gebeld, niemand anders. Zou hij Natalees lijk op het strand achterlaten om vervolgens op zoek te gaan naar een publieke telefoon?

Ik ben heel benieuwd wat er morgen uit de uitzending komt. Ik zie Joran er eigenlijk nog wel voor aan ook dat hij inderdaad heeft gelogen tegen die 'vriend'. Maar aan de andere kant: Natalee is weg en IEMAND moet weten waar ze is, waarom niet Joran?

Wel vreemd trouwens dat Joran niet gearresteerd wordt. Misschien is het bewijs van Peter R toch niet zo onbetwist als hij zelf zegt? Het OM heeft het bewijs al een week in handen en ziet geen reden om er iets mee te doen...

   1. Which friend is the body absorbed the sea? Koen Gottenbos he called here? If so, then it is clearly a lie, which has a watertight alibi and the Gottenbos boat was broken and could not fly.

http://forum.fok.nl/topic/1122166
    

[johan555]

Johan - please read Sander's statement above.  By the way, why would we believe for a moment that the Gottenbos was at the location you are showing?  What is your source?  Anyone can say anything doesn't make it true.

We know for a fact the boat was normally trailered.  So please do tell us where you are getting this information.

Edited to add:  If the boat was docked there that is extreemly close to the FM huts so what is your point?

http://forensicthoughtprints.com/aruba/default.html

Sorry but I'm not going to read through that mans entire page.  Would you please copy and paste the specific part you are wanting to reference? 

OK, I found this but I have no idea what his sources are.  If it's true the Gottenbos boat was moored (tied up) at this location then it would be even more convenient to use it. 

Later that afternoon, I drove out to the California Lighthouse. Retuning to the cluster of seaside hotels just north of the city, I then walked north along the beach from the Holiday Inn to Fisherman's Huts. Indeed, it's a relatively short walk going right past the nearby marina between the Holiday Inn and Marriott where the Gottenbos boat had been moored on May 30, 2005. (Gottenbos family members had been friends with the van der Sloots.)

Where does it say the boat was in repair?  Moored does not equal repair.

Where does it say the boat was in repair? 

i try to find that info 

So excited to see who the source is!

it was on fok

    Er staat een video op youtube van een meisje in het roze die een tankstation binnenkomt. Deze video is van de dag na de verdwijning. Wat mij betreft kan het haar zijn (ze heeft hetzelfde loopje als op de casino-video), maar aan de andere kant denk ik dat de lengte niet klopt en zie je haar niet hele erg duidelijk. De medewerkster van het casino dacht trouwens wel dat ht Natalee was.

Ik weet niet wat de theorie van Peter R precies is dus ik kan niet zeggen wat niet klopt. Wat ik hoop dat naar voren komt in de uitzending van morgen is het volgende:

1. Welke vriend is met het lijk de zee opgegaan? Noemt hij hier Koen Gottenbos? Zo ja, dan is het duidelijk gelogen; die heeft een waterdicht alibi EN de Gottenbos-boot was kapot en kon niet varen.

2. Wanneer is het lijk de zee in gegooid? Qua tijdlijn die door de politie is vastgesteld met data van computers en telefoons, vraag ik me af of Joran er tijd voor heeft gehad om haar te dumpen. Ervanuitgaande dat Joran mee is gegaan in de boot uiteraard.

3. Hoe heeft Joran contact opgenomen met de vriend? hij heeft alleen Deepak met zijn mobiel gebeld, niemand anders. Zou hij Natalees lijk op het strand achterlaten om vervolgens op zoek te gaan naar een publieke telefoon?

Ik ben heel benieuwd wat er morgen uit de uitzending komt. Ik zie Joran er eigenlijk nog wel voor aan ook dat hij inderdaad heeft gelogen tegen die 'vriend'. Maar aan de andere kant: Natalee is weg en IEMAND moet weten waar ze is, waarom niet Joran?

Wel vreemd trouwens dat Joran niet gearresteerd wordt. Misschien is het bewijs van Peter R toch niet zo onbetwist als hij zelf zegt? Het OM heeft het bewijs al een week in handen en ziet geen reden om er iets mee te doen...

   1. Which friend is the body absorbed the sea? Koen Gottenbos he called here? If so, then it is clearly a lie, which has a watertight alibi and the Gottenbos boat was broken and could not fly.

http://forum.fok.nl/topic/1122166
    

pronkjewail  posted that >  but i don't know if that is a Troll 

[johan555]

here : http://forensicthoughtprints.com/aruba/default.html

Later that afternoon, I drove out to the California Lighthouse. Retuning to the cluster of seaside hotels just north of the city, I then walked north along the beach from the Holiday Inn to Fisherman's Huts. Indeed, it's a relatively short walk going right past the nearby marina between the Holiday Inn and Marriott where the Gottenbos boat had been moored on May 30, 2005. (Gottenbos family members had been friends with the van der Sloots.)

[Anna]

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So Sander invited Joran to go sit in the repair shop on a broken boat?


Gee, what fun.


Am I in the wrong thread?

I thought this was the English language one.

[WhiskeyGirl]

There are endless possibilities.

Natalee may have been taken out into the ocean, weighed down and dumped overboard - dead or alive.

Her body have have returned to the beach or rocks somewhere and hidden and moved around the island for some time.

Ten days is a long time to cover things up and make up stories.  The body could have been in an Aruban limbo for that time - only those involved know for sure.

jmho

[bastibro]

Unbelievable . . do you think she was trying to make him confess?

 

wie is dat "Mormel " bastibro ?

Een wulps mormel, das zeker 

Google translation:

Who is that "Mormel" bastibro?


A lascivious monster, das certainly

mormelDefinition from Wiktionary, a free dictionary
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[edit] Dutch
[edit] Nounmormel (plural mormels, diminutive mormeltje) n.

1.mongrel, mutt, cur, inferior, ugly dog
2.(by extension) unattractive creature

[edit] Related termsmormeldier n.

 

Monster? LOL I used to call my sister a mormel when we were like 13 and 14
But i didn`t mean monster, i guess. Yes I was bad!

[klaasend]

I would think The huts located at the foot of the lighthouse along the beach.
I do not know why people keep looking at these other huts..
 Possibly because this is where deepak says he stops to take a leak. Or possibly because of the mattress with the "dog blood" ? God only knows who or even how that was determined without a forensics detective taking samples and turning them over to a lab to make this determination..
ALL admit as being at the lighthouse.. 

Edward - I share your concerns however the reason people keep looking at these huts of course is because this is where Joran and K2 said they were.  I agree that the huts near the lighthouse are just as likely and we know Deepak said they stoped at Arashi.

[klaasend]

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So Sander invited Joran to go sit in the repair shop on a broken boat?


Gee, what fun.


Am I in the wrong thread?

I thought this was the English language one.

 

[klaasend]

here : http://forensicthoughtprints.com/aruba/default.html

Later that afternoon, I drove out to the California Lighthouse. Retuning to the cluster of seaside hotels just north of the city, I then walked north along the beach from the Holiday Inn to Fisherman's Huts. Indeed, it's a relatively short walk going right past the nearby marina between the Holiday Inn and Marriott where the Gottenbos boat had been moored on May 30, 2005. (Gottenbos family members had been friends with the van der Sloots.)

You aren't using this a proof that the boat was in repair are you? 

[WhiskeyGirl]

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So Sander invited Joran to go sit in the repair shop on a broken boat?


Gee, what fun.


Am I in the wrong thread?

I thought this was the English language one.

Think of the possibilities...

Could the Gottenbos family have owned more than one boat?  

Among the VDS circle of family and friends, how many owned boats?  How many had access to boats?  

Joran's circle of family and friends may have been much wider than that of his parents.  

There is Guido W., Kalpoes, Freddy, and all the others - how many had access to boats?  Even a rubber raft?

[Anna]

  moored, moor·ing, moors

v.   tr.

To make fast (a vessel, for example) by means of cables, anchors, or lines: moor a ship to a dock; a dirigible moored to a tower.
To fix in place; secure. See Synonyms at fasten.
v.   intr.

To secure a vessel or an aircraft with lines or anchors.
To be secured with lines or anchors: The freighter moored alongside the wharf.

[johan555]

here : http://forensicthoughtprints.com/aruba/default.html

Later that afternoon, I drove out to the California Lighthouse. Retuning to the cluster of seaside hotels just north of the city, I then walked north along the beach from the Holiday Inn to Fisherman's Huts. Indeed, it's a relatively short walk going right past the nearby marina between the Holiday Inn and Marriott where the Gottenbos boat had been moored on May 30, 2005. (Gottenbos family members had been friends with the van der Sloots.)

You aren't using this a proof that the boat was in repair are you? 

no this says that the boat was in that marine

[johan555]

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So Sander invited Joran to go sit in the repair shop on a broken boat?


Gee, what fun.


Am I in the wrong thread?

I thought this was the English language one.

Think of the possibilities...

Could the Gottenbos family have owned more than one boat?  

Among the VDS circle of family and friends, how many owned boats?  How many had access to boats?  

Joran's circle of family and friends may have been much wider than that of his parents.  

There is Guido W., Kalpoes, Freddy, and all the others - how many had access to boats?  Even a rubber raft?

more than one boat > that is a good one   

this boat is near their house

[klaasend]

Johan - I don't understand the point you are attempting to make.  IF the Gottenbos boat did happen to be moored near the Holiday Inn that night it would be even more likely it could have been used.  That said even if the boat was trailered, it is easy to launch boats from the FH area, it's done all the time just back the trailer up to the water and slide the boat off.

Still waiting for some kind of credible proof that the Gottenbos boat was being repaired at that time.  That would mean that Sanders lied as a witness and we all know that's punished by death in Aruba (note sarcasm).

[johan555]

that the Gottenbos boat was being repaired at that time
was posted on the dutch Fok forum : the Gottenbos boat was broken

    Er staat een video op youtube van een meisje in het roze die een tankstation binnenkomt. Deze video is van de dag na de verdwijning. Wat mij betreft kan het haar zijn (ze heeft hetzelfde loopje als op de casino-video), maar aan de andere kant denk ik dat de lengte niet klopt en zie je haar niet hele erg duidelijk. De medewerkster van het casino dacht trouwens wel dat ht Natalee was.

Ik weet niet wat de theorie van Peter R precies is dus ik kan niet zeggen wat niet klopt. Wat ik hoop dat naar voren komt in de uitzending van morgen is het volgende:

1. Welke vriend is met het lijk de zee opgegaan? Noemt hij hier Koen Gottenbos? Zo ja, dan is het duidelijk gelogen; die heeft een waterdicht alibi EN de Gottenbos-boot was kapot en kon niet varen.

2. Wanneer is het lijk de zee in gegooid? Qua tijdlijn die door de politie is vastgesteld met data van computers en telefoons, vraag ik me af of Joran er tijd voor heeft gehad om haar te dumpen. Ervanuitgaande dat Joran mee is gegaan in de boot uiteraard.

3. Hoe heeft Joran contact opgenomen met de vriend? hij heeft alleen Deepak met zijn mobiel gebeld, niemand anders. Zou hij Natalees lijk op het strand achterlaten om vervolgens op zoek te gaan naar een publieke telefoon?

Ik ben heel benieuwd wat er morgen uit de uitzending komt. Ik zie Joran er eigenlijk nog wel voor aan ook dat hij inderdaad heeft gelogen tegen die 'vriend'. Maar aan de andere kant: Natalee is weg en IEMAND moet weten waar ze is, waarom niet Joran?

Wel vreemd trouwens dat Joran niet gearresteerd wordt. Misschien is het bewijs van Peter R toch niet zo onbetwist als hij zelf zegt? Het OM heeft het bewijs al een week in handen en ziet geen reden om er iets mee te doen...

   1. Which friend is the body absorbed the sea? Koen Gottenbos he called here? If so, then it is clearly a lie, which has a watertight alibi and the Gottenbos boat was broken and could not fly.

http://forum.fok.nl/topic/1122166

[jen3560]

If you were going to dispose of a body, would you put it in a trap and sink it in 90 ft of water two miles from shore?  or would you use a 'go fast boat ' and take it out to 1000 ft ? or over to Venezuela? I am starting to think if Pvds paid for disposal, he would want the later.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HrL_XElTjfg

In my mind - that would depend.

How far out would a boat have to go before it gets "highlighted" on Aruba's radar? 

[jen3560]

johan - the person who posted that at fok is a member at RU.

I believe he/she was simply regurgitating what the longtime baloney spreading folks from there have been saying.

The Gottenbos boat was NOT broken, and the only confirmation of it having been moored at the dock between Mariott and HI comes from Hodges.

Either location - trailered at their home, or docked by the high rises - makes no difference in regards to use for this purpose.