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Topic: Natalee Case Discussion #794 1/18/09 - 1/23/09 (Read 192068 times)
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bleachedblack
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Re: Natalee Case Discussion #794 1/18/09 -
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January 22, 2009, 01:50:46 PM »
Picture of Antonio Carlo Sr with Rob Smith at the opening of the Westin.
http://www.belfonticapital.com/RaisingofWestinFlag.pdf
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Quote from: Magnolia on January 22, 2009, 01:26:09 PM
I know, Janet.....that is how I would prefer to deal with things too.
I do believe that is how Paulus has survived this without a heart
attack or offing himself.
Just my thoughts.
Magnolia
You could be right. This family has no fear/respect of authority. This family has no fear of consequences. This family has not conscience. It is not normal.
A police officer would only have to look at me ... not say a word and ... I would break and reveal all.
However ... there is a bright side.
My 30 year old nephew was addicted to drugs as a teenage. When he was twenty ... he went into rehab ... turned his life over to the God of his childhood and ... thankfully has never looked back. I remember listening to one of his testimonies at a meeting ... sharing to all that he stole from and lied to his parents ... he stole from and lied to others ... over and over again and ... never felt remorse for his behaviour until he was clean.
Maybe ... just maybe ... at least one of the participants who have prevented justice from prevailing in the Natalee Holloway case will turn his/her life around and ... remorse will dictate that the truth will be revealed.
Janet
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'Rita Cosby Live & Direct' for December 1
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ART WOOD, FORMER SECRET SERVICE AGENT: ... The reason this case could still be solved is because there are so many people involved in Natalee's disappearance and in the disposal of her body. When somebody talks, they're going to all go down. This is like a house of cards.
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Re: Natalee Case Discussion #794 1/18/09 -
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January 22, 2009, 01:55:56 PM »
Quote from: bleachedblack on January 22, 2009, 01:47:20 PM
Quote from: Keepthefaith on January 22, 2009, 01:43:20 PM
Quote from: bleachedblack on January 22, 2009, 01:38:37 PM
Quote from: Keepthefaith on January 22, 2009, 01:32:24 PM
What is Antonio Carlo Sr's role on the island?Anyone know?TIA
Lawyer is all I know.
Thanx BB.So Antonio Sr,as wel as Jr are attorney's.Would be interested to know a little more about Sr's background.
sorry maybe I am wrong KTF, I did not see you were asking about sr., not really sure then
Antonio A.D.A. Carlo, born in Curaçao, Netherlands Antilles (1957), graduated from the Catholic University of Nijmegen, the Netherlands (LL.M., 1990).
Before going into private practice in 1995 Mr. Carlo worked as general counsel of a local bank in Aruba and as a government attorney at Aruba government’s Legal Department.
He was admitted to the Bar of the Netherlands Antilles and Aruba in 1995. His practice focuses mainly on corporate law, banking law, labor law, intellectual property law, real estate law, transactions and contract law.
Languages: Dutch, English, Spanish and Papiamento.
Vito A.V. Carlo, born in Aruba, Netherlands Antilles (1979), graduated from the University of Aruba (LL.M., 2007). Before going into private practice in 2007, Mr. Carlo worked as a physical education teacher (B Ed., 2001) for four years. He was admitted to the Bar of the Netherlands Antilles and Aruba in 2007. His practice focuses mainly on labor law, contract law, corporate law, administrative law, litigation and criminal law.
Languages: Dutch, English, Spanish and Papiamento.
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Re: Natalee Case Discussion #794 1/18/09 -
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January 22, 2009, 02:13:06 PM »
I was just thinking again about the trap pictures. Isn't it possible that it might have been the remains of Vincenzo Tromp in the trap? He worked as a prison guard as I recal. That might account for the denim in the trap? It might have been his uniform cap. Aruba might want to whisk the remains away as they were unable to find him- or didn't try, and there he might have been right under their noses. Also the circumstances under which he disappeared are not known, so who knows might have ties to that?
http://tinyurl.com/chtybz
http://tinyurl.com/ce4y3m
http://tinyurl.com/cod7jd
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Re: Natalee Case Discussion #794 1/18/09 -
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January 22, 2009, 02:16:15 PM »
Whereas, the President proposes for the Coop to engage the law firms of
Aruba attorneys David G. Kock and Antonio A.D.A.. Carlo to immediately
commence the pertinent legal proceedings, be it in summary or ordinary
proceedings, as the case may be, against the Marriott Affiliated
Parties before the Aruba First Instance Court to obtain a final
judicial resolution of the foregoing issues if the Marriott Affiliated
Parties fail to provide the final resolutions as provided for in the
preceding paragraph of this resolution;
NOW, THEREFORE, BE IT RESOLVED, that the Board does hereby approve the
proposal to give the Marriott Affiliated Parties a last chance to
resolve the issues contained in this resolution in a manner
satisfactory for the Board on or before January 28, 2008, the date on
which the Board shall hold a meeting in Aruba; and
BE IT FURTHER RESOLVED, that in the event the Marriott
Affiliated Parties fail to finally resolve the issues as provided for
in the preceding paragraph of this resolution, it shall be proposed in
the meeting of the Board on January 28, 2008, to authorize and consent
to the engagement of the law firms of Aruba attorneys David G. Kock and
Antonio A.D.A. Carlo with the authorization and instruction to
immediately initiate legal actions in the name and for the account of
the Coop, be it in summary or ordinary proceedings, as the case may be,
against one or all of the Marriott Affiliated Parties before the Aruba
First Instance Court to obtain a final judicial resolution with respect
to the issues contained in this resolution or any issue the
aforementioned attorneys deem necessary and pertinent;
Who currently owns this property??
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Re: Natalee Case Discussion #794 1/18/09 -
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January 22, 2009, 02:17:30 PM »
ANTONIO CARLO
NANCY GRACE
Judge Dismisses Holloway Suit
Aired August 11, 2006 - 20:00:00 ET
BETH HOLLOWAY TWITTY, NATALEE HOLLOWAY`S MOTHER: ...
We go back and we remember that Paulus Van Der Sloot and Antonio Carlo have been connected since the very beginning and really just kind of running the show.
I mean, the defense attorneys seemed to be running the show in Aruba last summer. So it doesn`t surprise us at all that he would prevail again here.
http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0608/11/ng.01.html
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Page 219: I have to make difficult choices every day. I have to make a conscious decision every morning when I wake up not to be bitter, not to live in resentment and let anger control me. It's not easy. I ask God to help me.
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Re: Natalee Case Discussion #794 1/18/09 -
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January 22, 2009, 02:23:20 PM »
Quote from: bleachedblack on January 22, 2009, 02:13:06 PM
I was just thinking again about the trap pictures. Isn't it possible that it might have been the remains of Vincenzo Tromp in the trap? He worked as a prison guard as I recal. That might account for the denim in the trap? It might have been his uniform cap. Aruba might want to whisk the remains away as they were unable to find him- or didn't try, and there he might have been right under their noses. Also the circumstances under which he disappeared are not known, so who knows might have ties to that?
http://tinyurl.com/chtybz
http://tinyurl.com/ce4y3m
http://tinyurl.com/cod7jd
....not really denim but maybe blue of the cap?
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Re: Natalee Case Discussion #794 1/18/09 -
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January 22, 2009, 02:30:40 PM »
Quote from: bleachedblack on January 22, 2009, 01:38:37 PM
Quote from: Keepthefaith on January 22, 2009, 01:32:24 PM
What is Antonio Carlo Sr's role on the island?Anyone know?TIA
Lawyer is all I know.
not only lawyers
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Re: Natalee Case Discussion #794 1/18/09 -
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Reply #788 on:
January 22, 2009, 02:33:35 PM »
Quote from: Keepthefaith on January 22, 2009, 02:16:15 PM
Whereas, the President proposes for the Coop to engage the law firms of
Aruba attorneys David G. Kock and Antonio A.D.A.. Carlo to immediately
commence the pertinent legal proceedings, be it in summary or ordinary
proceedings, as the case may be, against the Marriott Affiliated
Parties before the Aruba First Instance Court to obtain a final
judicial resolution of the foregoing issues if the Marriott Affiliated
Parties fail to provide the final resolutions as provided for in the
preceding paragraph of this resolution;
NOW, THEREFORE, BE IT RESOLVED, that the Board does hereby approve the
proposal to give the Marriott Affiliated Parties a last chance to
resolve the issues contained in this resolution in a manner
satisfactory for the Board on or before January 28, 2008, the date on
which the Board shall hold a meeting in Aruba; and
BE IT FURTHER RESOLVED, that in the event the Marriott
Affiliated Parties fail to finally resolve the issues as provided for
in the preceding paragraph of this resolution, it shall be proposed in
the meeting of the Board on January 28, 2008, to authorize and consent
to the engagement of the law firms of Aruba attorneys David G. Kock and
Antonio A.D.A. Carlo with the authorization and instruction to
immediately initiate legal actions in the name and for the account of
the Coop, be it in summary or ordinary proceedings, as the case may be,
against one or all of the Marriott Affiliated Parties before the Aruba
First Instance Court to obtain a final judicial resolution with respect
to the issues contained in this resolution or any issue the
aforementioned attorneys deem necessary and pertinent;
Who currently owns this property??
Is Rick Zeolla still the General manager of the Marriot?
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Re: Natalee Case Discussion #794 1/18/09 -
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Reply #789 on:
January 22, 2009, 02:34:56 PM »
Quote from: Keepthefaith on January 22, 2009, 02:33:35 PM
Quote from: Keepthefaith on January 22, 2009, 02:16:15 PM
Whereas, the President proposes for the Coop to engage the law firms of
Aruba attorneys David G. Kock and Antonio A.D.A.. Carlo to immediately
commence the pertinent legal proceedings, be it in summary or ordinary
proceedings, as the case may be, against the Marriott Affiliated
Parties before the Aruba First Instance Court to obtain a final
judicial resolution of the foregoing issues if the Marriott Affiliated
Parties fail to provide the final resolutions as provided for in the
preceding paragraph of this resolution;
NOW, THEREFORE, BE IT RESOLVED, that the Board does hereby approve the
proposal to give the Marriott Affiliated Parties a last chance to
resolve the issues contained in this resolution in a manner
satisfactory for the Board on or before January 28, 2008, the date on
which the Board shall hold a meeting in Aruba; and
BE IT FURTHER RESOLVED, that in the event the Marriott
Affiliated Parties fail to finally resolve the issues as provided for
in the preceding paragraph of this resolution, it shall be proposed in
the meeting of the Board on January 28, 2008, to authorize and consent
to the engagement of the law firms of Aruba attorneys David G. Kock and
Antonio A.D.A. Carlo with the authorization and instruction to
immediately initiate legal actions in the name and for the account of
the Coop, be it in summary or ordinary proceedings, as the case may be,
against one or all of the Marriott Affiliated Parties before the Aruba
First Instance Court to obtain a final judicial resolution with respect
to the issues contained in this resolution or any issue the
aforementioned attorneys deem necessary and pertinent;
Who currently owns this property??
Is Rick Zeolla still the General manager of the Marriot?
no Paul Gielen
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Re: Natalee Case Discussion #794 1/18/09 -
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Reply #790 on:
January 22, 2009, 02:38:23 PM »
Quote from: johan555 on January 22, 2009, 02:34:56 PM
Quote from: Keepthefaith on January 22, 2009, 02:33:35 PM
Quote from: Keepthefaith on January 22, 2009, 02:16:15 PM
Whereas, the President proposes for the Coop to engage the law firms of
Aruba attorneys David G. Kock and Antonio A.D.A.. Carlo to immediately
commence the pertinent legal proceedings, be it in summary or ordinary
proceedings, as the case may be, against the Marriott Affiliated
Parties before the Aruba First Instance Court to obtain a final
judicial resolution of the foregoing issues if the Marriott Affiliated
Parties fail to provide the final resolutions as provided for in the
preceding paragraph of this resolution;
NOW, THEREFORE, BE IT RESOLVED, that the Board does hereby approve the
proposal to give the Marriott Affiliated Parties a last chance to
resolve the issues contained in this resolution in a manner
satisfactory for the Board on or before January 28, 2008, the date on
which the Board shall hold a meeting in Aruba; and
BE IT FURTHER RESOLVED, that in the event the Marriott
Affiliated Parties fail to finally resolve the issues as provided for
in the preceding paragraph of this resolution, it shall be proposed in
the meeting of the Board on January 28, 2008, to authorize and consent
to the engagement of the law firms of Aruba attorneys David G. Kock and
Antonio A.D.A. Carlo with the authorization and instruction to
immediately initiate legal actions in the name and for the account of
the Coop, be it in summary or ordinary proceedings, as the case may be,
against one or all of the Marriott Affiliated Parties before the Aruba
First Instance Court to obtain a final judicial resolution with respect
to the issues contained in this resolution or any issue the
aforementioned attorneys deem necessary and pertinent;
Who currently owns this property??
Is Rick Zeolla still the General manager of the Marriot?
no Paul Gielen
Thanx Johan!Does anyone know why Zeolla left,what were the circumstances,as well as where he works currently.Not that it has any bearing on the case just curious!
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Re: Natalee Case Discussion #794 1/18/09 -
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January 22, 2009, 02:42:10 PM »
I think Zeolla is general manager of one of the Mariotts. I think there is one manager above all three and then each of them have their own general manager. Anyone know for certain?
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Scott Derrickson Appointed General Manager Marriott's Aruba Surf Club
Posted on: 08/08/2008
lg_marriott.gifOn Tuesday August 5th the Aruba Marriott properties welcomed Scott Derrickson, new General Manager of Marriott's Aruba Surf Club, to the team. With the addition of Scott to the Marriott family, the Aruba Marriott properties are now lead by three general managers, all overseeing one specific property.
http://74.125.47.132/search?q=cache:kDpT6YW8DDAJ:news.visitaruba.com/news/getArticleList.do%3Ftype%3DNEWS%26firstItem%3D21+general+manager+marriott+aruba&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=3&gl=us&client=firefox-a
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Re: Natalee Case Discussion #794 1/18/09 -
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Scott Derrickson Appointed General Manager Marriott’s Aruba Surf Club
Category Hotels Date August 6th, 2008
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Three GM’s Now Leading The Aruba Marriott Properties
On Tuesday August 5th the Aruba Marriott properties welcomed Scott Derrickson, new General Manager of Marriott’s Aruba Surf Club, to the team. With the addition of Scott to the Marriott family, the Aruba Marriott properties are now lead by three general managers, all overseeing one specific property.
Scott Derrickson will be in charge of all operations departments that support the three buildings of Marriott’s Aruba Surf Club, as well as maintaining the relationship with owners and board members. Surf Club is a Marriott Vacation Club property, consisting of 450 two- and three bedroom villas.
Scott brings with him a wealth of experience in the lodging industry. Most recently he was Director of Operations at the Radisson Aruba Resort. Scott began his hospitality career in 1987 in the Wyndham organization, in Scottsdale, Arizona. He has worked and lived in Aruba on and off since 1998, working for both the Wyndham and Radisson organizations in various roles. He has also owned and managed several successful private ventures over his working career, and will bring us the benefit of his varied professional experience.
In his new role Scott Derrickson will be reporting to
Rick Zeolla, overall general manager and responsible for all three Marriott properties.
Rick Zeolla is based at the Aruba Marriott Resort & Stellaris Casino (hotel) that is in the final stages of a $40 million renovation project. In July 2008 Corey Guest was appointed general manager of Surf Club’s sister Marriott Vacation Club property, Marriott’s Aruba Ocean Club.
http://74.125.47.132/search?q=cache:_B0bmMqXR2YJ:www.aruba.com/news/hotels/scott-derrickson-appointed-general-manager-marriott%E2%80%99s-aruba-surf-club/+zeolla+manager+mariott+aruba&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=2&gl=us&client=firefox-a
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Re: Natalee Case Discussion #794 1/18/09 -
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January 22, 2009, 02:47:11 PM »
Quote from: bleachedblack on January 22, 2009, 02:42:10 PM
I think Zeolla is general manager of one of the Mariotts. I think there is one manager above all three and then each of them have their own general manager. Anyone know for certain?
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Scott Derrickson Appointed General Manager Marriott's Aruba Surf Club
Posted on: 08/08/2008
lg_marriott.gifOn Tuesday August 5th the Aruba Marriott properties welcomed Scott Derrickson, new General Manager of Marriott's Aruba Surf Club, to the team. With the addition of Scott to the Marriott family, the Aruba Marriott properties are now lead by three general managers, all overseeing one specific property.
http://74.125.47.132/search?q=cache:kDpT6YW8DDAJ:news.visitaruba.com/news/getArticleList.do%3Ftype%3DNEWS%26firstItem%3D21+general+manager+marriott+aruba&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=3&gl=us&client=firefox-a
In his new role Scott Derrickson will be reporting to Rick Zeolla, overall general manager and responsible for all three Marriott properties
. Rick Zeolla is based at the Aruba Marriott Resort & Stellaris Casino (hotel) that is in the final stages of a $40 million renovation project. In July 2008 Corey Guest was appointed general manager of Surf Club's sister Marriott Vacation Club property, Marriott's Aruba Ocean Club.
When did he leave Johan?
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Re: Natalee Case Discussion #794 1/18/09 -
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Quote from: bleachedblack on January 22, 2009, 02:46:27 PM
Scott Derrickson Appointed General Manager Marriott’s Aruba Surf Club
Category Hotels Date August 6th, 2008
No comments (RSS 2.0)
Three GM’s Now Leading The Aruba Marriott Properties
On Tuesday August 5th the Aruba Marriott properties welcomed Scott Derrickson, new General Manager of Marriott’s Aruba Surf Club, to the team. With the addition of Scott to the Marriott family, the Aruba Marriott properties are now lead by three general managers, all overseeing one specific property.
Scott Derrickson will be in charge of all operations departments that support the three buildings of Marriott’s Aruba Surf Club, as well as maintaining the relationship with owners and board members. Surf Club is a Marriott Vacation Club property, consisting of 450 two- and three bedroom villas.
Scott brings with him a wealth of experience in the lodging industry. Most recently he was Director of Operations at the Radisson Aruba Resort. Scott began his hospitality career in 1987 in the Wyndham organization, in Scottsdale, Arizona. He has worked and lived in Aruba on and off since 1998, working for both the Wyndham and Radisson organizations in various roles. He has also owned and managed several successful private ventures over his working career, and will bring us the benefit of his varied professional experience.
In his new role Scott Derrickson will be reporting to
Rick Zeolla, overall general manager and responsible for all three Marriott properties.
Rick Zeolla is based at the Aruba Marriott Resort & Stellaris Casino (hotel) that is in the final stages of a $40 million renovation project. In July 2008 Corey Guest was appointed general manager of Surf Club’s sister Marriott Vacation Club property, Marriott’s Aruba Ocean Club.
http://74.125.47.132/search?q=cache:_B0bmMqXR2YJ:www.aruba.com/news/hotels/scott-derrickson-appointed-general-manager-marriott%E2%80%99s-aruba-surf-club/+zeolla+manager+mariott+aruba&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=2&gl=us&client=firefox-a
Must have posted that at the same time BB
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Re: Natalee Case Discussion #794 1/18/09 -
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Re: Natalee Case Discussion #794 1/18/09 -
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January 22, 2009, 02:51:29 PM »
Quote from: bleachedblack on January 22, 2009, 02:13:06 PM
I was just thinking again about the trap pictures. Isn't it possible that it might have been the remains of Vincenzo Tromp in the trap? He worked as a prison guard as I recal. That might account for the denim in the trap? It might have been his uniform cap. Aruba might want to whisk the remains away as they were unable to find him- or didn't try, and there he might have been right under their noses. Also the circumstances under which he disappeared are not known, so who knows might have ties to that?
http://tinyurl.com/chtybz
http://tinyurl.com/ce4y3m
http://tinyurl.com/cod7jd
bleachedblack
Until Kyle Kingman's analysis of the contents is rule out ... I am a believer that Natalee Holloway's remains could have been placed in that cage/trap.
Considering the Beth Holloway, John Kelly and the FBI have been forwarded all of Kyle Kingman's posts as well as the ROV images ... I can only assume that something must be in the works behind the scenes. Hey ... Beth Holloway afforded the Natalee's Freebirds permission to expose Kyle's revelations encompassing the Persistence undertaking.
1. According to CAPS ... John Silvetti claims there was nothing but plastic bags in the trap. The implication would be that the Aruban divers sampled and recovered plastic bags.
2. Kyle Kingman's professional analysis implies that Natalee Holloway was in that cage/trap.
Considering his professional expertise ... I am a believer in Kyle Kingman's words.
Janet
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Re: Natalee Case Discussion #790 1/3/09 -
« Reply #77 on: January 04, 2009, 12:16:19 AM »
This is CAPS discussing what took place at the meeting at his house. Note that John is the one that told CAPS the cage/trap is a postoffice. AND John mentions the Panter at the trap/cage site.
"John state the cage was empty. it was full of these broken plastic bags that shows on the cam like skull, but he said to me it is the water doing tricks when picture was taken. He thinks also it is a postoffice. When I told him the story about the cage, he also understand now some things that he could not have question about. Like why is the Panter allways parked over the spot while there is notting anymore in he cage."
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4344.msg611448;topicseen#msg611448
KYLE KINGMAN - IN HIS OWN WORDS
Kyle:
John is not a believer in the trap. He took ALE's word as gospel that it wasn't case related, yet never studied the videos or bothered to inquire further. He had plans on doing business with Aruba and in S. America and he didn't want to hurt any feelings by talks hinting at lack of complete trust and friendship.
KYLE KINGMAN - IN HIS OWN WORDS
THE CONTENTS
Kyle:
We all know it wasn't a blouse, but I believe they were sent some piece of fabric other than the fabric found inside the trap.
Kyle:
The portion of the discolored blue fabric was presumably on the bottom of the fabric. In my opinion this discoloration is not another type of fabric, but rather biological staining or discoloration from biological growth caused from a high organic carbon content and decay. Basically, during decay a biological mat will form around the organics from remains. This is what I believe it is on the bottom of the fabric.
Kyle:
It was confirmed by the FBI that they received a fabric sample send by Richardson and that it wasn't a match to Natalee's blouse. I think the video can prove or disprove whatever the FBI was sent was the same object or not. I strongly believe it's blue denim.
Kyle:
Notice the end of the skirt is an identical match to the 90 degree angle in the sand. I believe her left arm was outstretched with her legs slightly bent. I did not edit the legs. I believe the tarp was placed over her and tucked around her, or perhaps tied down. I believe there are several rocks laying on the sand which were placed on the tarp, or inside the tarp over her body which explains their unusual location. Either way, the proportions appear promising.
Kyle:
I took the proportions of the body form from the head, to shoulder, to a 90 degree angle which I believed to be the hem line of Natalee's skirt. I then took those proportions and matched them to the photo of Natalee with what she was last seen wearing. The proportions matched within an inch from head, to shoulder, to skirt line. Based on this comparison and with what we believed we saw in the Dec 29th video, Tim Miller contacted the family and told them the 99.9% comment. I told Tim not to do anything until we have forensic results back after the site is processed. Jan 7th we sampled the contents and in my opinion we found the skirt under the sand along with the other items The blue fabric was found right where the skirt is pictured. If it isn't her, it will forever haunt me as a major cosmic WTF.
Kyle:
In my opinion that last pic from Jan 7th should be absolutely intriguing and flip your mind from what you thought you knew. In case it isn't clear.. notice the blue denim-like fabric.
Kyle:
Notice the blue fabric swayed in the current.
Kyle:
The blue tarp piece was found approx 6-10 ft away from the trap opening.
Kyle:
The blue tarp and blue fabric was confirmed by Richardson and Mos. Remember, they each only confirmed one piece. One confirmed blue fabric, the other confirmed tarp. From the video you see both.
Kyle:
The most likely to remain at or near it's original location was the skull, which is why I was so convinced the object pictured was a skull.
Kyle:
… John verbally bashed me about the trap for what I said to Tim Miller about the sand body-form and that I believed her skirt was under the sand.
Kyle:
I'm sorry if this is disturbing. I took the picture of Natalee standing on the beach and cropped, rotated, and scaled the image to correlate with the trap body form. Notice the end of the skirt is an identical match to the 90 degree angle in the sand.
Kyle:
The bag that is above the denim bag looks to me as though it contains pieces of vertebrae.
Kyle:
The fabric(s?) are not visible on either the Dec 29th or 30th dives. There is about an inch of sand over the fabrics. The fabrics are completely covered. The diver sampled the sand and found the fabric underneath the sand. He then bagged the blue fabric. If the other bag contains fabric, it was also in the sand. There was also something possibly recovered from far inside the trap.
Kyle:
In my opinion, the blue fabric is quite possibly Natalee's skirt. The divers found the denim where I suggested a week earlier (Dec 29th) to Tim Miller that there was likely Natalee's denim skirt under the sand. Also in my opinion, the deni-like fabric is a match in terms of color, quantity, and structure to Natalee's skirt. It's not a lot of denim folded in the bag, but then again her skirt was rather small.
Kyle Kingman’s Summary
Kyle Kingman’s Specialties:
Project Management, Sonar Acquisition, hydrographic survey,
data processing, remote sensing data analysis.
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Until Kyle Kingman's analysis of the contents is rule out ... I am a believer that Natalee Holloway's remains could have been placed in that cage/trap.
Considering the Beth Holloway, John Kelly and the FBI have been forwarded all of Kyle Kingman's posts as well as the ROV images ... I can only assume that something must be in the works behind the scenes. Hey ... Beth Holloway afforded the Natalee's Freebirds permission to expose Kyle's revelations encompassing the Persistence undertaking.
1. According to CAPS ... John Silvetti claims there was nothing but plastic bags in the trap. The implication would be that the Aruban divers sampled and recovered plastic bags.
2. Kyle Kingman's professional analysis implies that Natalee Holloway was in that cage/trap.
Considering his professional expertise ... I am a believer in Kyle Kingman's words.
Janet
1. Well we know that those plastic bags couldn't have just been sitting there in the trap. That just doesn't make sense.
2. Kyle Kingman
is
a professional, but he is new at what he does. His experience is lacking. I won't take away the fact that he is a very smart man. I also tend to believe(and see) what appear to be some type of remains in the trap as Tim also said. I can not be certain they are Natalee....
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Quote from: Keepthefaith on January 22, 2009, 02:16:15 PM
Whereas, the President proposes for the Coop to engage the law firms of
Aruba attorneys David G. Kock and Antonio A.D.A.. Carlo to immediately
commence the pertinent legal proceedings, be it in summary or ordinary
proceedings, as the case may be, against the Marriott Affiliated
Parties before the Aruba First Instance Court to obtain a final
judicial resolution of the foregoing issues if the Marriott Affiliated
Parties fail to provide the final resolutions as provided for in the
preceding paragraph of this resolution;
NOW, THEREFORE, BE IT RESOLVED, that the Board does hereby approve the
proposal to give the Marriott Affiliated Parties a last chance to
resolve the issues contained in this resolution in a manner
satisfactory for the Board on or before January 28, 2008, the date on
which the Board shall hold a meeting in Aruba; and
BE IT FURTHER RESOLVED, that in the event the Marriott
Affiliated Parties fail to finally resolve the issues as provided for
in the preceding paragraph of this resolution, it shall be proposed in
the meeting of the Board on January 28, 2008, to authorize and consent
to the engagement of the law firms of Aruba attorneys David G. Kock and
Antonio A.D.A. Carlo with the authorization and instruction to
immediately initiate legal actions in the name and for the account of
the Coop, be it in summary or ordinary proceedings, as the case may be,
against one or all of the Marriott Affiliated Parties before the Aruba
First Instance Court to obtain a final judicial resolution with respect
to the issues contained in this resolution or any issue the
aforementioned attorneys deem necessary and pertinent;
Who currently owns this property??
Am i understanding this correctly?Antonio Carlo,as well as Kock are representing litigants that are sueing the Marriot?Paulus is Good friends with Rick Zeolla who is the General manager of the Marriott.Is this correct.Mnokey's??
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BB,
I don't know when Jose Tromp was determined missing. Has he been missing long enough for that to be him in the trap? It is so near to shore doesn't seem like a good place to stash somebody but who knows in Aruba.
Like everything else, we get ten different versions of things. That's so no one knows fact from fiction.
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