Natalee Case Discussion #794 1/18/09 - 1/23/09

[Keepthefaith]

I think Zeolla is general manager of one of the Mariotts. I think there is one manager above all three and then each of them have their own general manager. Anyone know for certain?

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Scott Derrickson Appointed General Manager Marriott's Aruba Surf Club

Posted on: 08/08/2008
lg_marriott.gifOn Tuesday August 5th the Aruba Marriott properties welcomed Scott Derrickson, new General Manager of Marriott's Aruba Surf Club, to the team. With the addition of Scott to the Marriott family, the Aruba Marriott properties are now lead by three general managers, all overseeing one specific property.

http://74.125.47.132/search?q=cache:kDpT6YW8DDAJ:news.visitaruba.com/news/getArticleList.do%3Ftype%3DNEWS%26firstItem%3D21+general+manager+marriott+aruba&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=3&gl=us&client=firefox-a

In his new role Scott Derrickson will be reporting to Rick Zeolla, overall general manager and responsible for all three Marriott properties. Rick Zeolla is based at the Aruba Marriott Resort & Stellaris Casino (hotel) that is in the final stages of a $40 million renovation project. In July 2008 Corey Guest was appointed general manager of Surf Club's sister Marriott Vacation Club property, Marriott's Aruba Ocean Club.

When did he leave Johan?

I think it is fair to say that Paul may work for Zeolla?No?

[Anna]

But I don't want to know what Kyle THINKS was in the fish trap or what ALE SAYS was in the fish trap.

I want to know what REALLY was in the fish trap.

Now how in the world are we ever going to know with ALE being allowed sole access to it? 

I am still surprised they didn't say monkey bones or donkey bones.  That's what they usually do.

[bleachedblack]

Paul Gielen, general manager of the  Renaissance Aruba Resort & Casino is a part of the  international Marriot Group

Is he one of the three underneath Zeolla?

Sounds like he must be above Zeolla as he is General Manager of the whole Renaissance group. Is that right Johan?

[Anna]

What is the lawsuit with the Marriott about?

Does anyone know?

[jen3560]

Here is something to ponder about what was in that fish trap.

We have both Tim Miller and Kyle Kingman saying there were human remains inside.

We have Kyle telling us there were fabrics inside.

If those fabrics were of a cap, or obviously items in no way related to what Natalee was last seen wearing - then why would Aruba send ANYTHING to the FBI?

Why even bother with the ruse?

If it was clothing from a man, and/or a cap - in other words, items obviously not belonging to Natalee - why not just send them to the NFI?

The FBI would have no jurisdiction (and no reason to spend their monies doing forensic testing for Aruba) if it had nothing to do with a US Citizen.

Actually - those are good questions I would like to hear John Silvetti answer also. 

Mr - "the cage was empty" himself.

[johan555]

Paul Gielen, general manager of the  Renaissance Aruba Resort & Casino is a part of the  international Marriot Group

Is he one of the three underneath Zeolla?

Sounds like he must be above Zeolla as he is General Manager of the whole Renaissance group. Is that right Johan?

i have no idea !   for me is important : is he  the son of Renee Gielen ?

[Keepthefaith]

What is the lawsuit with the Marriott about?

Does anyone know?

Sorry Anna.I will have to find the link.I should have provided it!

[Keepthefaith]

What is the lawsuit with the Marriott about?

Does anyone know?

Sorry Anna.I will have to find the link.I should have provided it!

Here you go Anna!

http://bb.visitaruba.com/f17/marriott-aruba-ocean-club-members-being-taken-advantage-marriott-10522/

[Keepthefaith]

Here is something to ponder about what was in that fish trap.

We have both Tim Miller and Kyle Kingman saying there were human remains inside.

We have Kyle telling us there were fabrics inside.

If those fabrics were of a cap, or obviously items in no way related to what Natalee was last seen wearing - then why would Aruba send ANYTHING to the FBI?

Why even bother with the ruse?

If it was clothing from a man, and/or a cap - in other words, items obviously not belonging to Natalee - why not just send them to the NFI?

The FBI would have no jurisdiction (and no reason to spend their monies doing forensic testing for Aruba) if it had nothing to do with a US Citizen.

Actually - those are good questions I would like to hear John Silvetti answer also. 

Mr - "the cage was empty" himself.

Since John Silvetti is not a Forensic Anthropologist how would he know what was or wasn't in that cage?Who was he listening to.Mos or Richardson?

[bleachedblack]

What is the lawsuit with the Marriott about?

Does anyone know?

No, I am not sure. I know I have read on the bulletin boards rumblings among the Marriott Ocean Club owners in Aruba talk about additional fees being charged over the next few years to offset the costs of the lawsuit. The lawsuit was about faulty construction ie leaking roofs, not sure what else.

[Tamikosmom]

Paul Gielen, general manager of the  Renaissance Aruba Resort & Casino is a part of the  international Marriot Group

Is he one of the three underneath Zeolla?

Sounds like he must be above Zeolla as he is General Manager of the whole Renaissance group. Is that right Johan?

i have no idea !   for me is important : is he  the son of Renee Gielen ?

Beth Holloway said it best ...

Janet

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'Rita Cosby Live & Direct' for April 6
updated 9:15 a.m. PT, Fri., April. 7, 2006

BETH HOLLOWAY TWITTY, NATALEE‘S MOTHER: What do you make of the fact that it‘s so strange that here‘s this guy (Boeti) who‘s his brother-in-law, Gerold Dompig? Isn‘t that weird to you, too, just that strange connection? And the fact—it was interesting. When we were down there, the authorities were sort of, like, Well, we can‘t really focus on him because of, basically, who he‘s connected to.

TWITTY: Well, you know, it‘s really not any stranger to me than it is that the Kalpoes are cousins of Gerold Dompig. So you know, they‘re all very connected on that island. It‘s hard to find someone who‘s not a relative or a cousin.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/12205086/

[Anna]

What is the lawsuit with the Marriott about?

Does anyone know?

Sorry Anna.I will have to find the link.I should have provided it!

Here you go Anna!

http://bb.visitaruba.com/f17/marriott-aruba-ocean-club-members-being-taken-advantage-marriott-10522/

Thanks, KTF.

Seems to be primarily leaking roof and flooding.  Water problems.  Members being expected to pay cost of repairs, etc.

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[Tamikosmom]

Here is something to ponder about what was in that fish trap.

We have both Tim Miller and Kyle Kingman saying there were human remains inside.

We have Kyle telling us there were fabrics inside.

If those fabrics were of a cap, or obviously items in no way related to what Natalee was last seen wearing - then why would Aruba send ANYTHING to the FBI?

Why even bother with the ruse?

If it was clothing from a man, and/or a cap - in other words, items obviously not belonging to Natalee - why not just send them to the NFI?

The FBI would have no jurisdiction (and no reason to spend their monies doing forensic testing for Aruba) if it had nothing to do with a US Citizen.

Actually - those are good questions I would like to hear John Silvetti answer also. 

Mr - "the cage was empty" himself.

Since John Silvetti is not a Forensic Anthropologist how would he know what was or wasn't in that cage?Who was he listening to.Mos or Richardson?

According to Kyle Kingman ... John Silvetti was not a participant in the chain of custody in regards to the contents of the cage.  I assume that his info came from the enemy ... the enemy who has prevent justice from prevailing since the getgo.

Janet

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KYLE KINGMAN - IN HIS OWN WORDS

Kyle:  John is not a believer in the trap. He took ALE's word as gospel that it wasn't case related, yet never studied the videos or bothered to inquire further. He had plans on doing business with Aruba and in S. America and he didn't want to hurt any feelings by talks hinting at lack of complete trust and friendship.

Kyle:  I get done in the survey room backing up the ROV dive and head to the back deck to talk to the Polis divers and see what they sampled and see the Polis boat way in the distance heading away fast. John doesn't seem concerned at all, but I am very dissapointed, concerned, and burning inside because I have a feeling that I/we will never know what they took from the trap. That evening I talked to John asking when we plan on recovering the trap. Previously this was part of the talks and plan, but this time he doesn't seem concerned about ever looking into the trap further. After John verbally BASHED me about the trap for what I said to Tim Miller about the sand body-form and that I believed her skirt was under the sand, John pretty much committed himself to the belief the trap wasn't what we were after. This shocked me because it was exactly what we were looking for- a fish trap lost at sea with human remains.

Kyle:  The Persistence had no divers on the 7th. Tim Trahan was our diver on the 30th-Dec, but he was out of the country at the time. The Aruban divers were on the police boat, dove from their boat, and returned to their boat.
 
Kyle:  They were immediately whisked away by the Aruban police and not seen of again by us on the 7th.

[bastibro]

Hero Brinkman on Dutch talkshow Pauw&Witteman at this moment.

[johan555]

bassie > Brinkman in Pau & Witteman   

[Keepthefaith]

Bastibro.Do you understand i'm not saying Paulus uses drugs?I'm saying that he may be involved in cleaning the drug money.

LOL Yes, i did read your post before i reacted. I just know that isn t the case.
And evidence . . do you have any? i'm telling you the man has a sexual deviation

I have no evidence.It's my opinion.How do you know that isn't the case?Please do enlighten me as to what evidence you have that Paulus has sexual deviant behaviour,as well as the source!That is very interesting.

I'm Very excited to hear your answer Bastibro!

Bastibro?

[wingnut]

Magnolia,

Thanks!  I was thinking it was Dompig who said that about the radar.

I don't recall this poster Jenna and wonder if she is in a position to actually know anything or if she was just speculating.  In retrospect, it does seem odd to me that they would only map and map until every last cent was gone, saving nothing for actual dives. 

Something is wrong with that strategy, IMO.  But it is Schaefer with the IRS charges, right?  I wonder if there is any way to learn more about that and what the charges are related to.  Maybe he can just apologize like our new Sec of Treasury did this morning?  Perhaps we all can do that now instead of paying, lol.

Does anyone know off hand how to get info on the charges?  I recall something being posted about that but didn't see the importance at the time.  I doubt it was related to Natalee's disappearance in any way but am still just curious.  There is also a class action suit.  They certainly seem to have their share of legal problems.

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Sometimes I read a post that stops me in my tracks due to its clarity. 

[bastibro]

Bastibro.Do you understand i'm not saying Paulus uses drugs?I'm saying that he may be involved in cleaning the drug money.

LOL Yes, i did read your post before i reacted. I just know that isn t the case.
And evidence . . do you have any? i'm telling you the man has a sexual deviation

I have no evidence.It's my opinion.How do you know that isn't the case?Please do enlighten me as to what evidence you have that Paulus has sexual deviant behaviour,as well as the source!That is very interesting.

I'm Very excited to hear your answer Bastibro!

Bastibro?

I will get back to you on that KeeptheFaith!

[Keepthefaith]

Bastibro.Do you understand i'm not saying Paulus uses drugs?I'm saying that he may be involved in cleaning the drug money.

LOL Yes, i did read your post before i reacted. I just know that isn t the case.
And evidence . . do you have any? i'm telling you the man has a sexual deviation

I have no evidence.It's my opinion.How do you know that isn't the case?Please do enlighten me as to what evidence you have that Paulus has sexual deviant behaviour,as well as the source!That is very interesting.

I'm Very excited to hear your answer Bastibro!

Bastibro?

I will get back to you on that KeeptheFaith!

I will give you the benefit of the doubt Bastibro.I sure hope this is not a CapsLockWizard moment!

[Magnolia]

Tamikosmom wrote;

bleachedblack

Until Kyle Kingman's analysis of the contents is rule out ... I am a believer that Natalee Holloway's remains could have been placed in that cage/trap.

Considering the Beth Holloway, John Kelly and the FBI have been forwarded all of Kyle Kingman's posts as well as the ROV images ... I can only assume that something must be in the works behind the scenes.  Hey ... Beth Holloway afforded the Natalee's Freebirds permission to expose Kyle's revelations encompassing the Persistence undertaking.

1.  According to CAPS ... John Silvetti claims there was nothing but plastic bags in the trap.  The implication would be that the Aruban divers sampled and recovered plastic bags.

2.  Kyle Kingman's professional analysis implies that Natalee Holloway was in that cage/trap.

Considering his professional expertise ... I am a believer in Kyle Kingman's words.

Janet

1. Well we know that those plastic bags couldn't have just been sitting there in the trap. That just doesn't make sense.

2. Kyle Kingman is a professional, but he is new at what he does. His experience is lacking. I won't take away the fact that he is a very smart man. I also tend to believe(and see) what appear to be some type of remains in the trap as Tim also said. I can not be certain they are Natalee....

I can not be certain they are not Natalee.