Caylee Marie Anthony #92 1/15/09 - 1/17/09

[Today]

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I thought that was very interesting and I missed it on NG last night.  I think it is a possible defense strategy -- Caylee died because of (whatever might be found) and mother panicked, blah, blah.   

Remember Casey had a seizure (personally I think it was drug or alcohol related). I think they are trying to find a genetic disease that causes seizures to say Caylee died of a seizure and Casey has the same disorder. blah, blah.

Blink
Very sharp insight Today, ITA.

Although I am not aware what affliction causes one to wrap duct tape around your child's head covering both breathing avenues.
Yeesh that guy already.

OriginalKat
If that is something they would try to prove it might be hard to prove unless Casey had a history of seizures which I don't think there was an explanation of why she had one with one of those boyfriends. It could just as easily have been a seizure due to alcohol or drug use. If Caylee never had a seizure before which would be on record then that would be hard to prove. I think that defense would fall apart in court.

Quotes a little messed up, I tried to make it more readable.  Anyways, I think that IF defense is looking at genetics (remember this was a supposition by doctor on NG) they are looking for a theory that could work.  Using your comment about no history of seizures, I can hear defense say, look here in Caylee's genetics she was predisposed to seizures and it happened and she had her first one and she died and then her mother was so panicked that she made it look like a kidnapping.

I don't believe this for one minute but if in the defense testing they find anything that could suggest, no matter how remotely, that Caylee could have died from any way besides at the hand of her mother, they will spin and spin that.

[sharlock]

i dont think anyone can say shes 'obviously' anything. i always refer to her as a sociopath because for one, i highly doubt this little narcissist could ever fathom this world going on without her. i also dont think she has any previous instances of doing self harm. i cant say for sure obviously but cindy is a nurse and i dont think shed miss that. well ok she missed her being pregnant but go along with me here for the sake of argument haha.  basically what im really trying to say to say is the distinction between the two is a tough call and theres no way to be sure without an extensive evaluation and even then theres blurred edges.

as for your comment about borderline personality disorder im a bit confused. are you saying its not a valid condition?

I kind of agree I think she has multiple issues and at various stages which makes her hard to label really. I disagree though that she is so narcissistic she would never attempt to harm herself. My sister displayed many of these traits and they noticably worsened after she had children. She started self harming and many suicide attempts from about 28 on; it escalates into a woe is me tale of how everyone must be out to get them and then the suicide attempts start but as harsh as this sounds they are mostly for show and attention then acts angry if anyone beleived her enough to call an ambulance. She can be absolutely out of her mind threatening throwing hurting people one minute and when police come she turns into the most rational person in the world. Thats why its hard to get help at first, she has also convinced the psych wards she is fine after suicide attempts and that her family is crazy. Eventually though their files at the police station and mental ward grow and people start to beleive the family but it is nearly always too late by that time.

[Sassycat]

i cant believe it...in that video that cindys going on about the brush...i swear shes been talking for 4 minutes straight and she hasnt even stopped to take a breath. does she have gills or something...ive never seen anyone that can talk nonstop for this long.

     I know.   She drives me nuts.   I would guess that is why she doesn't seem to have many girlfriends.   I know I wouldn't want her as a friend!

[peanut]

i dont think anyone can say shes 'obviously' anything. i always refer to her as a sociopath because for one, i highly doubt this little narcissist could ever fathom this world going on without her. i also dont think she has any previous instances of doing self harm. i cant say for sure obviously but cindy is a nurse and i dont think shed miss that. well ok she missed her being pregnant but go along with me here for the sake of argument haha.  basically what im really trying to say to say is the distinction between the two is a tough call and theres no way to be sure without an extensive evaluation and even then theres blurred edges.

as for your comment about borderline personality disorder im a bit confused. are you saying its not a valid condition?

I kind of agree I think she has multiple issues and at various stages which makes her hard to label really. I disagree though that she is so narcissistic she would never attempt to harm herself. My sister displayed many of these traits and they noticably worsened after she had children. She started self harming and many suicide attempts from about 28 on; it escalates into a woe is me tale of how everyone must be out to get them and then the suicide attempts start but as harsh as this sounds they are mostly for show and attention then acts angry if anyone beleived her enough to call an ambulance. She can be absolutely out of her mind threatening throwing hurting people one minute and when police come she turns into the most rational person in the world. Thats why its hard to get help at first, she has also convinced the psych wards she is fine after suicide attempts and that her family is crazy. Eventually though their files at the police station and mental ward grow and people start to beleive the family but it is nearly always too late by that time.

your sisters suicide attempts may not have been wholehearted but she tried hurting herself for attention. casey went partying and shopping after she murdered caylee(who got too much attention).

please forgive me if i ask this, and you certainly dont have to answer me, i would totally understand if youd rather not. is it your sister you were referring to when you commented on borderline?

[Kat_Gram]

yes peanut Kio Marie's relative's did live in that very apt. she pointed to.

Huh ? When the police took her statments, she took them to that apartment street and pointed . It was a seniors place. It was canvassed .It was across the street from Ricardo's. She never mentioned the fact to the detectives that she had been staying at Ricardo's earlier in the week, the 8 th to the 15th. Thre is little out there about where she was the week prior to the 15th. At least, I did not read it.   

[cheeky monkey]

i cant believe it...in that video that cindys going on about the brush...i swear shes been talking for 4 minutes straight and she hasnt even stopped to take a breath. does she have gills or something...ive never seen anyone that can talk nonstop for this long.

Gills - ha!  Too funny.  Maybe scales?

[joesamas mama]

Morning Monkeys, I am 30+ pages behind. Should I read back and try to get caught up or could someone give me a synopsis of what happened last night ? Thanks JSM

[BooMonkey]

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I know what you mean about feeding the strays, I had an outside cat due to allergies and everynight I would end up feeding 16 stray cats, a racoon and a possum when I lived in TN, but they all ate together and then would disappear during the day. Now that I moved away, I hope they found another outside cat to share with:(

I have good news for you Islandmonkey. Your strays are all fed and doing fine. They found my sister at the border of Mississippi and Tenn and she's feeding them now. Complete with baby pool when the weather is warm and a heat lamp outside in the winter. She's feeding the cats, raccoons and possums! 

[sharlock]

I mentioned this on an earlier thread but I think it is very interesting. While watching the vid of Cindy denying she intntionally gave the wrong brush to LE she mentions how the defense wanted dna so Casey and Cindy found hairbands etc and the brush but they also STRIPPED THE BED and gave that to the defense team too. Now I know LE have linked the crime back to the house already but there was mention of some bedding being fund at the crime scene (unconfirmed) and the police sure took a lot of bedding when they did their search that would tend to back this up. As far as I know the defense team do not have to offer this to LE and this is the only time Cindy mentions it while she is rambling for a long time about all sorts of stuff so I doubt that LE are even aware that the defense team has it. It would make sense that Casey would want it out of the house if she knew it could link her to the crime so she gave it to Baez and I think LE need to go get it. If they had already done so there would have been a motion to get it and there hasn't been.
What do you think?

I think its a good catch on your part.  And LE should be notified.

Sassy I am from Australia and wouldn't know how to go about notifying them but I sure would feel better if someone did. It has been bothering me ever since I noticed it.
ETA- http://www.wftv.com/video/18149829/index.html

Thanks for posting the link to that video.  I hadn't seen it before.   
I can't stand listening to her.         But, she did say that the bedding went to the defense.   hmmm.

I know isn't it grting she sounds like a tweaker, but she is under huge stress and has been so attacked you can kind of understand why she is soooo defensive. Still EARPLUGS please!

[peanut]

yes peanut Kio Marie's relative's did live in that very apt. she pointed to.

Huh ? When the police took her statments, she took them to that apartment street and pointed . It was a seniors place. It was canvassed .It was across the street from Ricardo's. She never mentioned the fact to the detectives that she had been staying at Ricardo's earlier in the week, the 8 th to the 15th. Thre is little out there about where she was the week prior to the 15th. At least, I did not read it.   

oh i wasnt here to see that. im totally confused...casey took them to the seniors only facility across the street from ricardos. she pointed to a window and said that was zannys room and the one below it was zannies sisters.
how has that been linked to kios relatives?

[sharlock]

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Elisabeth Kübler-Ross, M.D., wrote a book called "On Death and Dying."  In this book, she says that there are 5 stages of grief that most everyone goes through when either dying themselves or grieving the loss of a loved one.  (you can also bounce back a stage or two - so it isn't always linear.)  The stages are:

   1. Denial:  "Caylee isn't dead.  She's fine.  She'll come home soon."
   2. Anger:  "Why isn't LE doing their jobs?  Why are they persecuting KC instead of finding our living Caylee, who is definitely not dead?"  (I imagine this anger will turn toward KC soon)
   3. Bargaining:  "Just give us some info, honey."; "Just help us find Caylee alive.";  "I would trade places with you if I could, honey, we just want Caylee home."
   4. Depression:  "I'm so sad, why bother with anything?"; "We'll never see Caylee again."
   5. Acceptance:  "It's going to be OK."; "She's gone and now we must deal with it."

So, considering this, I have to say that even though we do not understand CA and GA's behavior and we all feel we would behave differently, let's remember that we just don't know how we react in this situation.  I can only imagine the torment they feel.  I also noted that GA is trying to get KC to come clean to everyone and this would end the big mess.  At this point, I feel they know something bad happened, but because they can't comprehend the idea that their granddaughter has possibly been MURDERED and even worse that their own flesh and blood did it, they (specifically GA) think that it was probably an accident and KC can clear everything up if she just tells the truth.

I think it's going to be a long time before we see CA and GA make it to the "acceptance" stage of grief.  It takes many people MANY years to get to this point, if they make it at all.

Hi Iron Cowgirl,

You make some excellent observations about the grief process and how it specifically relates to Casey's mind and thought process. I agree with you, I believe at this point they know something. It is easy to see their mistakes in parenting while watching this video but in all honesty, they probably didn't have much of a chance against Casey. Someone asked me in another post if I thought there was any way to get Casey to talk. No, I don't believe there is. Casey has used lies and manipulation her entire life, it's all she knows. There is no way she is going to fess up. There is nothing they can offer (or anyone for that matter) that will override her propensity toward lying.

There are several things going on here.
Casey
1. Casey is a master manipulator-She will threaten to hang up the phone when she feels boxed in, scrutinized, questioned, not believed, etc. And interestingly enough, it works. You can see how both G & C placate her, walk on eggshells, do whatever it takes to keep her from leaving. She will use guilt, anger, threats to get her way. 

2. Casey has to feel the control-The feeling of control is her security. There are many psychological reasons why she must exhibit this to the extent of manipulation. People who have to feel control of this level are most certainly out of control with their internal psyche. She will go to her room, slam the door and make them sorry they ever made her angry.

3. Casey wants to be rescued-She has created an underlying fantasy/fairy tale that most girls grow out of (though some never do) of being the princess in the castle awaiting their prince. She has the classic signs of this fantasy. Cindy-The evil witch (Sleeping Beauty), George-The loving father (Cinderella), Lee (Modern Day fairy tale-Star Wars), Tony, Jesse, Ricardo (princes in many fairy tales), Caylee-(Cinderella's evil step-sisters), Herself-The beautiful princess (almost every fairy tale).

4. Casey rarely puts any thought into her answers-I noticed this in her initial interview with the detectives at Universal. She only responds to what is being stated at that moment. I have not heard her answer in layers. She did this with G & C. This is why she sounds so contradictory. Are you in the out of the loop? Or does Jose keep you informed? Is she getting support from the outside? Or is she only getting the brunt of the anger and accusations? Is she sleeping or not sleeping?

5. Casey is extremely jealous-She never says, I miss her, I miss my Caylee, I miss my baby girl, I miss her laugh, etc. She only says she 'wants' her back but only after she has said, I know you guys want her back. Caylee to her was a possession, one to keep or destroy based on how she was feeling at any given moment. This is indicative of her emotional maturity.

6. Casey is a victim-She plays this role because she wants something. She wants attention. She wants us all to understand that she is in pain, her life has been taken away and that she is suffering. Suffering because she can't be with her mom, dad, lee. She doesn't have access to her community, her house. She doesn't have her phone or her PC. Not once did she say that she was suffering because of Caylee. Based on what we know now, once she got out of jail, she did nothing to find Caylee. This further reinforces how she uses her words to get what she wants but she didn't live up to her promises.

7. Casey is the only one allowed to be upset-She uses her situation of being in jail as the justification for minimalizing how G & C are feeling. She is very selfish.

8. Casey admits guilt-She says, When this goes to trial. At this point she hasn't been indicted yet. She is admitting her involvement without ever saying it. She knows shes guilty. She knows where it is headed. She expects people to hate her. This is just another tactic she will use to gain sympathy, poor me, every one hates me, they want to see me suffer. The money in her account is her reinforcement that people do feel sorry for her, that people sympathize with her, that not everyone wants her to suffer, not everyone hates her.

Cindy
1. Cindy cannot look her in the eye-Her signs point to frustration, distrust, betrayal and lies all previously told prior to the disappearance. Years and years of deceit are culminating in Cindy.

2. Cindy has lost hope-She is seeking a crumb of information to lead her to the discovery or confession.

3. Cindy is in turmoil-She hears reports of a drowning, the mounting evidence and she starts to loose faith in Casey.

4. Cindy is gullible-Since this video we have seen her come out fighting for Casey as if she is the victim in all of this. Unfortunately when she told the media that Casey was a victim, it crucified her in our eyes. We've heard Cindy plea for help on her 911 calls, we see her here about to crumble, and now, as recent as this email to Lois, emerge as a full on Casey supporter. Why? Cindy believes who is in front of her at that moment. When George told her it was pizza, she believed it was pizza. When Casey told her she was in the hospital helping Zanny after the accident, she believed it. When Casey told her she wasn't pregnant, she believed it. When Casey told her that it wasn't her fault she was in jail, Cindy believed that too. And because of this belief, we see her support Casey as if Caylee is a mere after thought. We often can't see how we really are because we are too close to the situation. Given time and space away from Casey, maybe Cindy will start to break away from the evil spell of manipulation.

George
1. George is complimentary -Hi Beautiful! This makes her smile and giggle. She has all of his attention and she likes it. This only reinforces how she already feels about herself.
2. George is a non confrontationist-He uses analogies rather than cold hard facts. He tells her she is the CEO. This is extreme coddling. She is an adult, age 22. He should not be using any analogies on her. Especially in light of why she is in jail to begin with: a missing daughter. This tells us that logic and reasoning, fact and truth do not work on Casey.

3. George is the negotiator-I can make it happen, you just tell me what you want. Because he is not doing what she wants, she starts throwing another fit. She wants out of jail, not a measly personal visit!!! This also reinforces her selfish attitude. She will keep everyone at a distance until she gets what she wants.

4. George has lost all control-Casey is now in Jose's control. She likes it there. He is the only one she can talk to. He is the only one who understands. Casey makes this known loud and clear because she knows G & C dislike Jose. George tries to hint to Casey that Jose might not have her best interest at heart but Casey denies it. This disrupts her fairy tale. Now Jose is her prince. Over time though, she will remain in her castle, locked up, still awaiting the return of Jose to get an appeal. Jose however will never fight for her best interest, otherwise he would have pushed her to take a plea deal when it was offered. Jose will be off doing book signings and making the media circuit he now criticizes. It's too bad she can't see what her parent's see in Jose. And it's too bad her parents can't see what we see in Casey.............

To Luckycharmsprincess, Do you think if George and Cindy gave Casey a strict good upbringing from the get go it would have made some kind of difference in how she is now? If they had made her accountable, punished her, etc growing up instead of looking the other way all her life? Surely she might have turned out differently? If even just a little? PS Cute doggie.

Wow Lucky charms princess this is an awesome post. I am impressed!

[peanut]

i cant believe it...in that video that cindys going on about the brush...i swear shes been talking for 4 minutes straight and she hasnt even stopped to take a breath. does she have gills or something...ive never seen anyone that can talk nonstop for this long.

Gills - ha!  Too funny.  Maybe scales?

something fishy there for sure! 

[dottie]

Two personality disorders that I have thought about.  If they have been discussed skip.

Histrionic personality disorder (HPD) is a personality disorder characterized by a pattern of excessive emotionality and attention-seeking, including an excessive need for approval and inappropriate seductiveness, usually beginning in early adulthood.

The essential feature of histrionic personality disorder is an excessive pattern of emotionality and attention-seeking behavior. These individuals are lively, dramatic, enthusiastic, and flirtatious. They may be inappropriately sexually provocative, express strong emotions with an impressionistic style, and be easily influenced by others.

 Overview
People with this disorder are usually able to function at a high level and can be successful socially and professionally. People with histrionic personality disorder usually have good social skills, but they tend to use these skills to manipulate other people and become the center of attention. [1] Furthermore, histrionic personality disorder may affect a person's social or romantic relationships or their ability to cope with losses or failures. People with this disorder may seek treatment for depression when romantic relationships end, although this is by no means a feature exclusive to this disorder. They often fail to see their own personal situation realistically, instead tending to dramatize and exaggerate their difficulties. They usually blame others for failures or disappointments. They may go through frequent job changes, as they become easily bored and All of these factors may lead to greater risk of developing depression.

Borderline Personality Disorder - Symptoms
A person with borderline personality disorder often has unstable relationships, low self-esteem, and problems with impulsive behavior, all of which begin by early adulthood.2A common feature of this disorder is fear of being left alone (abandoned), even if the threat of being abandoned is not real. This fear may lead to frantic attempts to hold on to those around you and may cause you to become too dependent on others. Sometimes you may react to the fear of being abandoned by rejecting others first before they can reject you. This erratic behavior can lead to troubled relationships in every area of your life.

People who are diagnosed with borderline personality disorder have at least five of the following symptoms. They may:4

Make frantic efforts to avoid real or imagined abandonment.
Have a pattern of difficult relationships caused by alternating between extremes of intense admiration and hatred of others.
Have an unstable self-image or be unsure of his or her own identity.
Act impulsively in ways that are self-damaging, such as extravagant spending, frequent and unprotected sex with many partners, substance abuse, binge eating, or reckless driving.
Have recurring suicidal thoughts, make repeated suicide attempts, or cause self-injury through mutilation, such as cutting or burning himself or herself.
Have frequent emotional overreactions or intense mood swings, including feeling depressed, irritable, or anxious. These mood swings usually only last a few hours at a time. In rare cases, they may last a day or two. Have long-term feelings of emptiness.
Have inappropriate, fierce anger or problems controlling anger. The person may often display temper tantrums or get into physical fights.
Have temporary episodes of feeling suspicious of others without reason (paranoia) or losing a sense of reality.
Not everyone who has five or more of these symptoms is diagnosed with borderline personality disorder. For a person to be diagnosed with any personality disorder, the symptoms must be severe and must go on long enough to cause significant emotional distress or problems functioning in relationships or at work.4

You may have temporary episodes of psychosis (paranoia and a loss of a sense of reality) with borderline personality disorder, especially when you are going through a personal crisis. This psychosis usually does not last very long. But if it continues, your doctor may consider another condition, such as schizophrenia.

Symptoms of borderline personality disorder are not caused by another medical condition or by medicines, and they are not a result of long-term substance abuse problems. Borderline personality disorder may be confused with other conditions with similar symptoms, such as other personality disorders, including antisocial personality disorder and histrionic personality disorder.

None of this sounds remotely like Casey. She doesn't have low self-esteem. Cindy might be histrionic or borderline, definitely. But Casey's main problem is that she lacks empathy, has a huge sense of entitlement, and has a cruel streak. I don't think she's rejecting others before they can reject her. She uses people then dumps them when they're no longer useful.

I guess you missed my second quote stating why I posted these.  The point was that they are all so closely intertwined that they can be very hard to diagnose with out proper testing (MMPI) and psychoanalysis.

I do disagree that none of this sounds remotely like Casey.
Low self esteem-Cindy has repededly beat her in the ground and told her she was a terrible mom, she didn't graduate from high school, she has no job and I don't think that someone with high self esteem would be sleeping around with so many different guys some at the same time.
Tantrums and Anger-I think we have seen that on the video...and heard neighbor reports of fights.
Self damaging ways frequent sex with many partners, substance abuse
frequent emotional overreactions I think this has been proven by statments from boyfriends (Tony) she would overreact when he would talk of moving etc.
AbandonmentCasy felt that George abandonded them...she talked in the video about wanting to be with him because they had just got back together.  Abandonment doesn't have to be in a physical since although George did leave at one time but Casey felt that she had been abandoned by CA & GA and CAylee had taken her place.
Psychosisgoing through a personal crisis.  Who knows maybe June 15 when they got in an argument Cindy told her she was taking Caylee and kicking her to the curb...she could have had a psychotic event and hurt Caylee.

Point being....you can make her fit every one of these disorders from what we know...[/color]

[sharlock]

i dont think anyone can say shes 'obviously' anything. i always refer to her as a sociopath because for one, i highly doubt this little narcissist could ever fathom this world going on without her. i also dont think she has any previous instances of doing self harm. i cant say for sure obviously but cindy is a nurse and i dont think shed miss that. well ok she missed her being pregnant but go along with me here for the sake of argument haha.  basically what im really trying to say to say is the distinction between the two is a tough call and theres no way to be sure without an extensive evaluation and even then theres blurred edges.

as for your comment about borderline personality disorder im a bit confused. are you saying its not a valid condition?

I kind of agree I think she has multiple issues and at various stages which makes her hard to label really. I disagree though that she is so narcissistic she would never attempt to harm herself. My sister displayed many of these traits and they noticably worsened after she had children. She started self harming and many suicide attempts from about 28 on; it escalates into a woe is me tale of how everyone must be out to get them and then the suicide attempts start but as harsh as this sounds they are mostly for show and attention then acts angry if anyone beleived her enough to call an ambulance. She can be absolutely out of her mind threatening throwing hurting people one minute and when police come she turns into the most rational person in the world. Thats why its hard to get help at first, she has also convinced the psych wards she is fine after suicide attempts and that her family is crazy. Eventually though their files at the police station and mental ward grow and people start to beleive the family but it is nearly always too late by that time.

your sisters suicide attempts may not have been wholehearted but she tried hurting herself for attention. casey went partying and shopping after she murdered caylee(who got too much attention).

please forgive me if i ask this, and you certainly dont have to answer me, i would totally understand if youd rather not. is it your sister you were referring to when you commented on borderline?

She seems to be but has never been formally diagnosed she doesn't think she has a problem. Those times she was looking for attention I agree. They nearly always happen after her current boyfreind leaves. She will kick her kids out if they don't want kids and has done that many times. Then sh too goes out partying without a care in the world where her kids ended up. BUT if her kids leave her even if she told them too and they come to us she goes schizo. They can go anywhere but the family. Of course we still care for them when they need us too but it is hard. Last time I looked after them she called the police and said I kidnapped them lol! She threw them out. She then rang my boss and tried to get me fired and then threatened to kill me. If you do what she wants though she will go back to normal but you have to act like she has done nothing wrong. There is no middle ground with her. My aunt is a psychiatrist and mentioned she believes it is Borderline but we really don't know for sure.
Sorry that was prob waaay more info then you wanted. 

[Kat_Gram]

I don't think a diagnosis of anything is going to be used by Baez. There have been no doctors to see her except for the jail guys. That report was sealed. She has never been treated for anything and she is not under any current treatment.
Last night, they just played the tapes of her having a tantrum with Cindy and George.
I actually understood what Geroge was saying to her, that she was in control of this and she was the CEO. She had all these people " working " for her. ( People that could help find Caylee ) But, alas, she didn't even get what they were saying, that she could be out of there if she provided info to all thee ppl who were working for her and Caylee was found. Or, now that we know what happened, she did get it and just wanted to rag on George and Cindy. She sure led them down the path of having info that she couldn't talk about from jail. But once she was out, not a peep. She complained that she only got 24 hours from the detectives to " help " before she was arrested. So there, it's their fault.
The vid from last night just showed that she is self centered and selfish and doesn't give a rat's azz about anyone else or any other thing.
 

[Sassycat]

I am at least 20 pages behind - thought you might be interested in this....

Thanks KCJackie - what search did you use to get this?  Can you give the the link to it?

We use People Finders for husbands work - thought I would give it a try

Interresting it says #215 because we know 4709 Hopespring is a single family home.

Sometimes there are errors - haven't ran into any major ones though.   

Ok this is killing me because I went on the Orange County site the other day with the last name Almodovar
I put in first names of Zenaida and just for Monkey thoughts I as well looked up the name Alice

Well I found that they both are in the system - Both Names - NO middle names. Yet were all recorded in 1993 - within Orange County

Each filled out papers for Domicile to Live in Orlando from Puerto Rico - Funny thins ... Always ..

Each filed within 20 some days of each other - looks to me as the exact same handwriting. Zenaida actually wrote reason of change of residence - School
Alice no reason stated

Funny Thin again is - They both used the EXACT address as their Home in P.R. right down to a apt # - but its not an apt - It  is a Bus Station .. I chased it

Zenaida put up an Address for new residence on Semaron Blvd which is not NOT anything but a Tax Attorneys Law office. 1486 Semoran Blvd. Orlando

Alice put her new address as 1465 Montego Lane Orlando FL

Then you Map it and its walking Distance .........

Make the Madness Stop PLEASE

This is wild.   Thanks for doing all this research.

And thanks to the other monkeys doing/sharing research, whether it is on "Zenaida" or "personality disorders" or whatever -  I appreciate all the hard work and insights!   

[KCJackie]

4709 Hopespring Zenida Hernandez..... ready for a big shocker......this is a relative of Kio Marie. I ran across this info when I was trying to figure out if Casey kept going to the Airport to take Caylee to Kio Marie to babysit because the best I can gather Kio Marie supposedly lives there. Now get this EVEN BIGGER SHOCKER the apartment or condo where Casey pointed to and said Zenida's relative lived there well a relative of Kio Marie's lived there.

ilovegoodies - I know I'm responding long after you are gone but hopefully you'll see my question.  WHERE ARE YOU GETTING THIS INFORMATION.  I hope you understand that I at least need to know where you are reading this or who is supplying you with this information before I can consider it at all.

I believe she said it is posted at Websleuths under the Kio Marie thread.

[Sassycat]

Morning Monkeys, I am 30+ pages behind. Should I read back and try to get caught up or could someone give me a synopsis of what happened last night ? Thanks JSM

Hi JSM.   I would help you out - but I'm stuck on page 84 or so.   Going back and forth, trying to catch up!   
Lots of interesting reading, though!

[PookyBear]

4709 Hopespring Zenida Hernandez..... ready for a big shocker......this is a relative of Kio Marie. I ran across this info when I was trying to figure out if Casey kept going to the Airport to take Caylee to Kio Marie to babysit because the best I can gather Kio Marie supposedly lives there. Now get this EVEN BIGGER SHOCKER the apartment or condo where Casey pointed to and said Zenida's relative lived there well a relative of Kio Marie's lived there.

ilovegoodies - I know I'm responding long after you are gone but hopefully you'll see my question.  WHERE ARE YOU GETTING THIS INFORMATION.  I hope you understand that I at least need to know where you are reading this or who is supplying you with this information before I can consider it at all.

I believe she said it is posted at Websleuths under the Kio Marie thread.

No backup information but I found it at Tpoix -- here is the link -- http://www.topix.com/forum/city/orlando-fl/T4UHQV6DMIUFOA9C5/p2941

[joesamas mama]

Morning Monkeys, I am 30+ pages behind. Should I read back and try to get caught up or could someone give me a synopsis of what happened last night ? Thanks JSM

Hi JSM.   I would help you out - but I'm stuck on page 84 or so.   Going back and forth, trying to catch up!   
Lots of interesting reading, though!

Hi Sassy, I am reading backwards and I am only on page 74  It is interesting reading. Maybe I will catch up in a bit.