Caylee Marie Anthony #92 1/15/09 - 1/17/09

[cheeky monkey]

I would love to know more about Casey's early childhood.  Not as an excuse for her actions but rather some insight.  She seems so far removed and stunted emotionally.  I guess it leads back to nature versus nurture but wow, she would be an interesting study.  Even her balled up fist and face she makes looks like a mad toddler.  Can anyone post that picture again please - I swear it about sums up her emotional age.

PLEASE don't take the above as my making any sort of excuse for her actions either.  I'm not AT all.

[Iron Cowgirl]

I don't know if this has ever been discussed.  In the interviews LE had with Casey when she took them to her so-called "Office", they confronted her on her not having been employed since 2006.  She went on to discuss her phones.  Said one was supplied to her for work.  What work?  Why would she go on and on about that when they knew she didn't have a job?  I would have thought they would have stopped her right in her statement on this. Did I miss something? 

 

If you missed something, so did I.  She just continued on and on about how she reported the loss of the phone to "Security" as if she had not already told LE she didn't really work at Universal.  I wondered why they didn't stop her too.  They just went along with her. And also in a conversation with Lee she talked about the phone and her work and how she had seen someone at Universal and he said "Was it work or play," as if he too forget she didn't have a job. 

I've always assumed that we don't have the whole interview.  I think they let her go on with her ruse for a while just to see if they could get some additional information.  I'm certain they eventually called her out ... I just don't think that has been released as it may be used at trial.

You could be right. I hope they stopped her at some point.

I'm sure we've all heard the phrase "give 'em enough rope and they'll hang themselves."  That's what I think they were doing.  If they challenged her at every turn, she'd adjust everything she says.  She'd also have more wiggle room to say she was coerced into saying something particular or possibly change the tune just a bit when she knows they don't believe her.  They let her run with it and tighten the noose more and more with every lie.  The best way to get information out of anyone is to just allow them to talk.  They'll say things you never expected and give you some real insight into where their head is.  My favorite tactic is the "dumb" approach.  "I am a dumb monkey and just don't get it.  Could you help me understand please?" 

[pegster57]

What "if" Nejame gave the money to Kronk just to PO the As's.

Nejame was knowledgeable about the As's thoughts and plans.  He knew their games.  Once Kronk found Caylee's remains, the Hollywood life the As's planned on living came to an abrupt halt.  SinCin had claimed the $5,000 was hers, and now it is property of the man who shot down their new-found life style and any hope of saving KC, not that I think that really matters to them anymore.  You know this has to just stick in SinCin's crawl, and I'm sure that Nejame is laughing his fanny off.

Does this make any sense.  Maybe I best go make some breakfast and get some coffee before I post anything else.   

I believe this to be the case also. NeJame is one smart cookie. 

[Golden Oldie]

Please no nanner throwing TYIA!  In regards to the Bible verses, which I will have to go back and listen to again because I missed that part, but one poster said it was "Thou shalt not kill" and something else that struck me as something a child would learn in first grade vacation bible school and not something that someone would reference that had been reading the bible for comfort for 30 days.  JMO, Lovin

P.S.  Muffy, I hope this isn't to "religious" for this forum thread, if so, I apologize.

I didn't hear her say "Thou shall not kill," but that is one of the biggies.

Hey, BabyBear.  I "did" hear that one come out of her mouth in reference to her reading the bible.  Maybe she was busy in jail trying to memorize the Ten Commandments someone had written on her cell wall rather than reading the Bible that she supposedly didn't have.  Then, on the otherhand, maybe she was just trying to comprehend if there was any meaning to any of them.   

[pegster57]

JMO.....seems to me that when CA tells KC that "people are saying Caylee is dead, that she drowned in the pool", it was to get a reaction out of KC since she wasn't telling them anything.  KC then says something like, "that figures" and then realizes that's probably not what she should've said and then goes on about other stuff that is being said in the media, etc.  I stopped watching it right after that.........couldn't stand to keep hearing her sorry a$$. 

You can see Cindy closely scrutinizing KC's face after she says it.

[darla]

Good Afternoon Monkeys and guest. I don't post much because I am always behind on reading. As for KC's lies to LE....I think they were just sitting back and giving her enough rope to hang herself. You can only tell so many lies before you forget what you have already told. I think alot of things were cut out of the tapes. And for the life of me....I can't figure out why JB wanted that tape so bad. It just shows the real KC. I was married to a sociopath....didn't know the name for it then...but he was just pure evil...Even told our 6 yr old that he was GOD and no one could touch him. Thanks to all the Monkeys for their articles on this disorder. It helps to put it into perspective. And I did get smart enough to leave before he killed me or the kids.

[Scatty]

I know this is obvious but she is so strange.  When she's all emotional about being in jail and not being able to tell anyone anything, she says something along the lines of I've been here a month, not able to talk to anyone, out of the loop, blah, blah, blah then says, "What I'm I supposed to learn from that".

It seems clear to me that she has absolutely no remorse for what she did.  I think she'd still be out at parties if it wasn't for that pesky murder charge.  She seems so very dangerous - especially tiny defenseless children.

Wow, you just reminded me that when I heard that comment "What am I supposed to learn from that?" it was a double-take moment for me as well. It's soo all about her in her mind, she's been put in jail to teach her a lesson, like she's been given a "timeout" for getting rid of Caylee. She is so sure she's not going to be spending her life behind bars, this is just a temporary, inconvenient setback inflicted on poor KC by unfeeling LE who refuse to see her as a victim as well.

[Lovinlife]

TY for the clarification on the Bible quotes, I have not gathered strenth to go back and listen to it again.  I know that if my hiney was in jail for 30 days for something like this, I would be reading and reading that Bible.  I would be able to come up with a reference of something better than what she came up with.  There I go "thinking" again, darn it! 

Something else that got under my skin..."I just woke up...I'm tired..." WTFE.  Tired from WHAT? Rehearsing your lies over and over in your head?!?!?! UGH!

Piece of work! 

[Golden Oldie]

Please no nanner throwing TYIA!  In regards to the Bible verses, which I will have to go back and listen to again because I missed that part, but one poster said it was "Thou shalt not kill" and something else that struck me as something a child would learn in first grade vacation bible school and not something that someone would reference that had been reading the bible for comfort for 30 days.  JMO, Lovin

P.S.  Muffy, I hope this isn't to "religious" for this forum thread, if so, I apologize.

I didn't hear her say "Thou shall not kill," but that is one of the biggies.

I think that was just a comment another poster made in sarcasm when KC used the do unto others line...I 'm pretty sure

Okay, SS.  Are you now telling me that I'm hearing things?   

[Hiding Monkey]

ITA, Cheekymonkey & others!  Difficult to remember, for me anyway, that KC does not "think" as we do, ie we are not sociopaths.  Her disassociation from Caylee did not start on June 16th, imo.

Good Point.  It makes you wonder if she ever felt attached to her.   JMO, but I do believe she enjoyed being pregnant - she was getting more attention than ever before.

Remember that she didn't disclose her pregnancy until late in the 2nd tri-mester.  I think that once she had Caylee things were good because that's when she got some attention.  Once the newness wore out and it became a job/routine she became bored with it and later wanted "her" party life.

[no rose colored glasses]

I would love to know more about Casey's early childhood.  Not as an excuse for her actions but rather some insight.  She seems so far removed and stunted emotionally.  I guess it leads back to nature versus nurture but wow, she would be an interesting study.  Even her balled up fist and face she makes looks like a mad toddler.  Can anyone post that picture again please - I swear it about sums up her emotional age.

PLEASE don't take the above as my making any sort of excuse for her actions either.  I'm not AT all.

I would like to know more about her childhood also, I know people think she is a sociopath, and it does seem to fit her. She does seem stunted emotionally, and I'm wondering if something traumatic happened to her? The one thing that really puzzels me is how did she keep all her lies, and esp the job lies going with all these different people? That is one of the reasons that I don't think she is dumb or lazy, that actually took a lot of effort and time, to keep this going, about the nanny, her job, all of her lies straight. I also am not making any excuses for her behavior and actions. I would also like to know how she fit in at grade school, and junior high and her grades.

[Golden Oldie]

Wow.  Finally caught-up for a minute.

GOOD MORNING/AFTERNOON TO ALL OF SMART, FUN, LOVING MONKEYS.

WELCOME TO ALL OF YOU NEW MONKEYS!!!!!!

[Babybear]

I would love to know more about Casey's early childhood.  Not as an excuse for her actions but rather some insight.  She seems so far removed and stunted emotionally.  I guess it leads back to nature versus nurture but wow, she would be an interesting study.  Even her balled up fist and face she makes looks like a mad toddler.  Can anyone post that picture again please - I swear it about sums up her emotional age.

PLEASE don't take the above as my making any sort of excuse for her actions either.  I'm not AT all.

Cheeky, I had a sister like that.  She didn't kill anyone but the rule in our house was "Don't upset Joan."  She had a terrible temper and would go to any lengths to get even for real or imagined slights.  Toward the end of her life, my husband and I had no communication with her because of her compulsion to be in charge of everyone.  When she died, she cut one of her children completely out of her will--this was the child who always was there for her when she was sick or needed help.  Probably if Casey were not going to spend the rest of her life in jail, she would live her life basically like that.

[Sea Searcher]

good morning monkeys!

i want to thank everyone for the warm welcome yesterday and id like to apologize to anyone i may have missed saying thanks to. i dont type very quickly and this place moves so fast at times that i just miss stuff. ill get the hang of it eventually i promise.


sociopaths arent capable of the same kind of emotions as normal people, thats why at a fairly young age they learn how to read people and situations and ape the 'proper' emotions. they usually become fairly good at this, however casey was in a situation where she had no point of reference to copy. its evident in both of her interviews with le and her first few jailhouse visit videos and phone calls.

once jose got hold of her and told her she had to look like she cared and to use caylees name rather than referring to her as 'my child' , 'my kid' and 'my daughter' (all indicative of how she saw caylee...she was her possession and bargaining chip). as we can see from later visitation videos she tries to act like she cares, asking about the various tshirts ca and ga have worn, how her grandparents are doing etc. the problem for her is tho she now knows what to say she doesnt know how to mimic the appropriate emotions and we see her total disinterest coming thru. the tshirts are really nice. too bad about grandma plesea. i just want my daughter back.
 
casy will NEVER admit to what she did. in one of her first visitations cindy asks her about zanny and if anyone else could be involved. caseys answer is very telling, she tells her she doesnt know but there could be, and she adds that if there are 'she hopes theyre stupid enough to say something'. she has no remorse, no guilt and as she said she 'hasnt done anything wrong. and shes a 'victim' too.

just my two cents with some bananas thrown if for good measure.



 

Welcome peanut...I can't believe I missed such a pretty kitty 

I know nothing about sociopaths except what I'm learning from some very smart kittys monkeys...where does it start...I've read a lot here about their behavior but I'm getting the impression that it's something they are born with ??? 

[cheeky monkey]

I know this is obvious but she is so strange.  When she's all emotional about being in jail and not being able to tell anyone anything, she says something along the lines of I've been here a month, not able to talk to anyone, out of the loop, blah, blah, blah then says, "What I'm I supposed to learn from that".

It seems clear to me that she has absolutely no remorse for what she did.  I think she'd still be out at parties if it wasn't for that pesky murder charge.  She seems so very dangerous - especially tiny defenseless children.

Wow, you just reminded me that when I heard that comment "What am I supposed to learn from that?" it was a double-take moment for me as well. It's soo all about her in her mind, she's been put in jail to teach her a lesson, like she's been given a "timeout" for getting rid of Caylee. She is so sure she's not going to be spending her life behind bars, this is just a temporary, inconvenient setback inflicted on poor KC by unfeeling LE who refuse to see her as a victim as well.

YES!! Like, she's saying, "Okay I get it.  I sat in the corner.  Whatever, why can't everyone see that I was justified in doing what I had to do.  Caylee was mine, not yours.  It was my problem.  I took care of it.  Life goes on, I can't change it.  Take it back?  Of course, I wish that.  Are you kidding?  Do you understand?  If I hadn't killed her this inconvenience of oh, jail, wouldn't be happening.  But then again I wouldn't have met some of the incredible people (my attorney) that I've met.   Sure maybe I'd still have Tony but on the other hand, I'm kinda glad I now know that he is so terribly unsupportive.  I mean really if a guy I've been sleeping with for a whole two months can't stand by me on a stupid murder charge, was that really gonna last?  I mean come on!" 

Balls up fist and makes face.  Wipes tear away.  REPEAT.

[peanut]

Wow.  Finally caught-up for a minute.

GOOD MORNING/AFTERNOON TO ALL OF SMART, FUN, LOVING MONKEYS.

WELCOME TO ALL OF YOU NEW MONKEYS!!!!!!

thank you golden oldie!

[klaasend]

With all the recent developments and the vacant home, does anyone know if LE has had cadaver dogs search there?  Just thinking that Casey could have had Caylee there prior to placing her on Suburban?  Interested to know if her car was ever seen near that house?

I don't know if there has been anything official about the abandoned home and if it's been searched.  I sure hope it has.

[no rose colored glasses]

Good Afternoon Monkeys and guest. I don't post much because I am always behind on reading. As for KC's lies to LE....I think they were just sitting back and giving her enough rope to hang herself. You can only tell so many lies before you forget what you have already told. I think alot of things were cut out of the tapes. And for the life of me....I can't figure out why JB wanted that tape so bad. It just shows the real KC. I was married to a sociopath....didn't know the name for it then...but he was just pure evil...Even told our 6 yr old that he was GOD and no one could touch him. Thanks to all the Monkeys for their articles on this disorder. It helps to put it into perspective. And I did get smart enough to leave before he killed me or the kids.

Thank God you were able to leave, I've just never been around anyone to that degree, I've been around some rather scary individuals, but the more I keep reading on this forum it scares me to think so many people have had to deal with this in their lives.

[Hiding Monkey]

IMO-Casey is a self centered B.  She's always gotten her way and knows how to work her parents.  She gives them the guilt treatment so they lay off of her.  Lee knows how she works too but he stays his distance.  Wish she'd accept me as a visitor!  I'd be happy to see her!  Anyone else want to come with me?

[Lovinlife]

I would love to know more about Casey's early childhood.  Not as an excuse for her actions but rather some insight.  She seems so far removed and stunted emotionally.  I guess it leads back to nature versus nurture but wow, she would be an interesting study.  Even her balled up fist and face she makes looks like a mad toddler.  Can anyone post that picture again please - I swear it about sums up her emotional age.

PLEASE don't take the above as my making any sort of excuse for her actions either.  I'm not AT all.

I would like to know more about her childhood also, I know people think she is a sociopath, and it does seem to fit her. She does seem stunted emotionally, and I'm wondering if something traumatic happened to her? The one thing that really puzzels me is how did she keep all her lies, and esp the job lies going with all these different people? That is one of the reasons that I don't think she is dumb or lazy, that actually took a lot of effort and time, to keep this going, about the nanny, her job, all of her lies straight. I also am not making any excuses for her behavior and actions. I would also like to know how she fit in at grade school, and junior high and her grades.

Saying this from personal experience...my ex too is a sociopath.  Of above average intelligence but chose to use that intelligence to further his sociopathic behaviors, not focus on putting that intelligence to productive use like furthering education or getting a proper job.  I think KC focused her intelligence on manipulating people for her own personal gain.  It was a game to her.