Caylee Marie Anthony #93 1/16/09 - 1/19/09

[crazybabyborg]

Thanks for posting that Klaas. It's a reminder of how Tim must have felt and still feels toward Casey. His missions of mercy are so unselfish, and it would stick in my craw to be expending my resources to circumvent the family, rather than work with them.    Tim's an angel!

Hi ZOEANDME!!! WELCOME!!! We're glad you are here!! 

[KarmaRoundUp]

Sam wrote:

I know there are to many quotes there but since so many of them involve Lee here is where all the answers are. Very interesting reading all of it but if you just start at page 16 it will give you the answers you are looking for.

http://media.myfoxorlando.com/photogalleries/092308leeanthony/indexGallery.htm

Page 16,17,18,19,20

Page 20 starts the talk about the wallet but you really should at least start at page 16.

On page 22 he starts talking about LE already had picked up Caseys cell phone . It sounds like at tonys.

Thanks Sam!
There is so much interesting info in these old transcripts,even if you have already read them all.I found where LE did go to Tony's before Lee went at midnight.They picked up Casey's phone to get her contact numbers from it.

I remember that.   Too bad they didn't get all of her stuff at that time.     Do you think Tony hid her stuff - or that LE only wanted the phone?   I've wondered about that.

Sassy,I'm not sure what time LE first showed up at the Anthony's but LE went to Tony's around 11 pm on 7/15.That was very early in the investigation so they may have only been looking for info on a kidnapped Caylee not a"Mama murdered her sweet little baby".But I do have faith in the FBI and LE and I feel confident they got all the info from all of their computers.

You're right Karma!   I guess they weren't thinking that it was going to end up being a murder investigation, but - then again - you would think that after smelling KC's car, they would have had a little clue!?!     

That is sooooo true.How could LE not smell the death on that car?How could George not smell the death on that car on June 24th?It always comes back to the car......that's for sure.

[leslee]

Poor Tony is probably too afraid to talk to any girls anymore.

Something tells me ... Tony & Casey's relationship had very little to do with talking.   

I know some people think she was really smart ... IMO ... she's just been really lucky so far in her short life ... and that is about to end.  A little thing called Karma.

And here I was trying to be "polite" I don't give her credit for smarts either, the Ants just conditioned her to think she was because they always gave her a free pass on all her lies.

[akmom]

Good Day Monkeys

I have finally caught up and read thru the new cage. I went and looked at some of the vids posted on youtube ..and for what ever reason I went back to one of Casey and Lee talking on the phone within jail.
this is part two of Lee and Casey
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uQ2BxypXC2A part 2
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uF-Ge5hCn9Y part 1
I started to think about what has been said that possibly Lee and Casey are talking in code.

Which the majority of this conversation is about the lost " Blackjack" phone. I omitted the Blackjack phone and replaced Caylee in my thoughts within this discussion they are having.

If you close your eyes and listen to them talk and replace the Phone with Caylee it is perplexing to say the least.
One Smart Monkey brought up the "Blackjack" in the last cage and found on the site Urbandictionary.com that Blackjack has many slang definitions. I read on the Urban Dictionary site that " Blackjack" is also a term used in replace of Police Officer and Or Police.


http://www.howardforums.com/archive/topic/1049509-1.html
Now on her stating she lost the phone and such, and she talks about the SIM card..well I found a forum of Blackjack users discussing SIM cards and transferring data between a Blackjack and another phone. That do to the new technology within a Blackjack its virtually impossible to just take in and put out a SIM * to go between phones. This forum says is strictly about people and their efforts of trying to save contact info. Seems it can be done but is quite techy and you need access to the internet as well ...in order to gain all old info for a new Blackjack phone. And or you just do it the manual way and go back and add one by one each contact .....

Knowing that Lee is the Tech boy of the Family and he and Casey were so close - wouldn't it make sense that Lee would have helped Casey with this Blackjack phone when she first obtained it ...because WE know she lives for texting and talking on a Cell.
When the Blackjack came out it was a new breed of Cell phone and not user friendly unless you really had some knowledge on this type of phone.

My thoughts - Lee and Casey Both know that Casey never had a Blackjack phone
The phone doesn't exist and never has

If you listen to them and how they talk to each other about this Phone and IN MONKEY  Brain replace the word Blackjack for Police and realize they are talking about Caylee in sequence within this conversation ...not actually a phone.


Words in Code

Blackjack = Police
Phone = Caylee
Private: private property ** she is telling Lee where Caylee is
Park: is where Casey used to Hang out in the Woods
Universal: * not sure on it other than a Meeting place between 2 areas

In first video
5:22 I believe that their Code talk begins - between Lee and Casey
6:18 on video
Casey says in my Gut she is close to Hope
She then says in next sentence " Reach Out"
goes on to say Its a Bond you have with Kids and Moms can understand
** I think she is naming where Lee and Casey you to Hang out as Kids "its open to put out" Casey says within the same sentence.

They are talking back and forth about the " phone/Caylee"

Them discussing area codes
Lee: asks what was the area code and last time she spoke to Babysitter
Lee: says When did you last see her I mean the phone
Or the last time you used the phone
Casey : it had to have been in between the 15th and 16th when Mom made the Call
Most recent was a PRIVATE call and was on the 15th and 16th
 My translation: Casey is saying last time she had Caylee was between 15 & 16 th
Private: private property

2:50 in video
She/Casey goes on to say the last area code known for Babysitters phone was 954 pause 407321 I don't know because I may be giving you someone else's number by Accident.
Lee repeats 407321
Casey: Yes
Casey:I swapped the info back and forth on the SIM - I thought about that
current phone I am using " Set it Up"
Lee: where did you report blackjack missing -
Casey: I have it - * Interruption by LE
 
Casey: last time i had it was at universal I was at the park meeting friends yes through work at that moment I had it JBP -
Lee: where did you get the phone
Casey: At the ATT store ( something about the store address Inaudible)
Lee: Was this a personal cell
Casey: Yes
Lee: tell me so if lost the phone how would find the phone? 
Casey I do not - my last recall was I had it at universal but was at park too - check thru the bags in the house - centralized
Lee: The Blackjack  would you still have sim card in your phone
Casey: it could have fell out of the bag

Lee: outside of zanni, jeff, juliet had you told anyone else that Caylee was Missing
Casey: No
Casey: Jeff I met at Universal, possibly Kodak
Casey: Juliet, I met her and have known her for 2 1/2 years, she Moved within months ago - I know I have her information " at the House" not sure

Lee: you met Juliette at Universal at Kodak or the Park
Casey: Universal Yes At the Park

Lee: You spell Juliet, J U L I E T T E?
Casey: J U L pause I E T  L E W I S
My Monkey Brain for Casey/Lee Code

Just You Lee * IE ( understand) T
and the T is the coordinates of 470321
If you look on the Map that Monkeys already place together - the T

Hopespring Drive
Left side of street is House Number: 4702
Right Side of street is House Number: 4701
And the Property behind House Number 4701 is marked on the Orange County Property Appraiser site - with the Number: 0021
Which the plot of land marked 0021 is directly across the street from where Caylee's remains were found.
http://paarcgis.ocpafl.org/Webmap2/default.aspx

Lee: If there is anything else, call me at the House
Casey: yes
Lee: we love you .... and Once we find Caylee it is going to be Open and Shut
and we will get you out of there.

WOW, I think you are really onto something.  I am a little behind, but what are your thoughts about her telling him that something was on the bottom left corner of town???

[NewfieMonkey]

Tim Miller disappointed in Casey and broke from Caylee search

Equusearch, the Texas-based organization that assisted in the search for Natalee Holloway in Aruba, also conducted an extensive search for Caylee Anthony prior to her remains being discovered by Roy Kronk in December.

Tim Miller, who heads the group said from the first time he met with Casey Anthony,  22, she showed no signs of remorse whatsoever.  Miller said he experienced "anger and disappointment on this."  In fact, Miller claims that during the time Casey was out on bond and Caylee was still missing, Casey acted inappropriately.  "She had smiles all over her face, ran around like she had just won a cheerleading competition.  Very discouraging from the beginning," Miller said.

Miller believes the his organization has spent over $100,000 in the search for Caylee and believes that the discovery of Caylee's remains near the Anthony home indicates Casey is responsible.  Miller feels he was taken by Casey because she knew where Caylee was all along, while he was using his limited resources to find her.

As a result, Equusearch must now stop looking for missing loved ones due to the financial strain the group is experiencing due to the extensive searches conducted to find Caylee.  "Casey has plenty of time on her hands," Miller said.  "She should call and say sorry Equusearch can't help…you right now."

Despite his financial hardships, Miller wants to try to help families in Florida, so he has opened an Orlando chapter of Equusearch.

Casey Anthony, 22, has been charged with the murder of her daughter, Caylee

http://www.examiner.com/x-1168-Crime-Examiner~y2009m1d17-Tim-Miller-disappointed-in-Casey-and-broke-from-Caylee-search

TES should be repaid for their expenses from any money made off of the death of Caylee, imo.     Instead of paying for all those freaking high profile lawyers, TES should be repaid.    grrrr.

ITA.  My wondering is ... once this is all said and done ... no matter who is charged or found guilty/not guilty ... Can TES file a civil suit against them (the As) ... much like the Goldman's vs OJ?

[TURBOTHINK]

Puzzler... There is no reason why the Anthonys have not had a memorial service for Caylee, Caylee's remains are in Baez's hands and I don't think even when they are done with their tests, I can't imagine that the defense is still doing tests though, that Casey is going to allow her parents to have the remains.

There is NO reason for not having a memorial!!  But instead of doing the right thing, the appalling Ant's are busy letting the media know who they aren't going to invite when they finally get around to having one. It's more important to continue causing turmoil and dissention than it is to show respect for Caylee.

Hey - you know, it takes time to make an exclusive deal and negotiate how much to charge for the rights to the Memorial Service.    You know.....   its about the Money!      Just my opinion.          Makes me sick.

That is IT !!!  Cindy is planning this like a big wedding for her benefit. I have no doubt about that. It most likely has been more difficult than she imagined lining up the money part of it, and there will be NO memorial until those contracts are signed.  

Of course they could have one without the body, but that is not what they are going to do. They want to have a huge display of "themselves" injected into this and that takes planning.

[SunnyinTX]

I raised the lighting on this to get a better view.

Just look at that tangle of vines grown over the bag...that took a while.  It looks like that bag was there from June until it was found.  Also, it looks like it's farther back from the road that it initially looked like.  AND for Kronk to have found it there, in all that tangle of vines, he was looking for it...he didn't just come upon it while relieving himself.  IMO...we're going to find out more about Kronk before all this is over...there's something hinky going on here.

I agree with that, I also believe we are going to find out more about Kronk before this is over. There is no way, imo, that he went in there to relieve himself and stumbled upon Caylee's remains.

Good Evening Monks..old and NEW!  I agree....Kronk is somehow involved.....he had to be looking for the bag...the REAL bag...........and he had to have some direction as to where to look....better direction than he has in August!!  I still am not able to see a skull in the pictures.......

[crazybabyborg]

Hi Karma!! 

I agree! It comes back to the car. I'm really hoping, that at this point, even though we don't have the information, it is also coming back to the crime scene where Caylee's remains were found. I'm hoping for Casey's fingerprints on duct tape......

[akmom]

Welcome CocoaMom

After playing these Jail tapes over and over and over

And Casey defiantly saying she does not know where Caylee is ...........

Do you think she Originally Dumped Caylee at the abandant Gonzalez House and then Lee moved Caylee to the woods ...
Thats why Dom Casey was at that House ripping up Bags ...
Something is all connected between that House and where Caylee was found

Lee is involved somehow

I believe Lee is involved, and that house I sure would like to know more about that, when Dom Casey was digging around that small area next to the house, there was a concrete block that had a red mark on it, it could have been just paint, but it really jumped out at me. Does anyone know if that house has been looked at by LE, I haven't seen any mention of it, and I figured the media would have been all over that.

If you listen to Part 2
Casey says " Check the Bags at the House" when she is talking about the lost phone
then says within the same time ... May have fallen out of the Bag.

When they are talking about area codes - they lump the two together each time they say it. Lee does not say 470 and 321 ..he says 470321 and Casey says it exactly the same way ... 470321 ...

And Juliet Lewis does not exist and never has worked at Universal - she is another made up being ..by Casey

 I really believe that Casey and Lee have their own language and that they have for some time. Before all of this.

I believe you are very right about their own language.  They have been messing with their parents for a very long time.  In this family, lies, and secrets run very deep.

[crazybabyborg]

Puzzler... There is no reason why the Anthonys have not had a memorial service for Caylee, Caylee's remains are in Baez's hands and I don't think even when they are done with their tests, I can't imagine that the defense is still doing tests though, that Casey is going to allow her parents to have the remains.

There is NO reason for not having a memorial!!  But instead of doing the right thing, the appalling Ant's are busy letting the media know who they aren't going to invite when they finally get around to having one. It's more important to continue causing turmoil and dissention than it is to show respect for Caylee.

Hey - you know, it takes time to make an exclusive deal and negotiate how much to charge for the rights to the Memorial Service.    You know.....   its about the Money!      Just my opinion.          Makes me sick.

That is IT !!!  Cindy is planning this like a big wedding for her benefit. I have no doubt about that. It most likely has been more difficult than she imagined lining up the money part of it, and there will be NO memorial until those contracts are signed.  

Of course they could have one without the body, but that is not what they are going to do. They want to have a huge display of "themselves" injected into this and that takes planning.

She is! It's just like a wedding event! When I saw that she was "inviting" some and not sending others an invitation, I wondered if the invitations would be engraved, and if they would include an RSVP??   

[SunnyinTX]

Yes, I remember Lee talking about how KC usually kept things in a mess, never neat. Was he trying to imply that someone else packed her things? As for Tony, I would guess it's hard for him to even show his face in public after being associated with the likes of KC. What a reflection on his ability to pick a girlfriend. If I was him, I would be hiding out in the hills somewhere.........

I think Tony may have packed some things..heel I would have if this had gone down....first the mom and Amy come over....then he gets a call from Amy about her chekbook...then Le show up to get casey's phone....hell I'd have packed her chit and put it out the front door......but I'll bet casey was neater than normal...remember she is a chameleon....and if they were neat....she would be too....and knowing she was a slob this is IMO why Lee mentioned it.....

[Puzzler]

Puzzler... There is no reason why the Anthonys have not had a memorial service for Caylee, Caylee's remains are in Baez's hands and I don't think even when they are done with their tests, I can't imagine that the defense is still doing tests though, that Casey is going to allow her parents to have the remains.

There is NO reason for not having a memorial!!  But instead of doing the right thing, the appalling Ant's are busy letting the media know who they aren't going to invite when they finally get around to having one. It's more important to continue causing turmoil and dissention than it is to show respect for Caylee.

Hey - you know, it takes time to make an exclusive deal and negotiate how much to charge for the rights to the Memorial Service.    You know.....   its about the Money!      Just my opinion.          Makes me sick.

I agree with you guys...I can understand why not burial (NG keeps asking: WHY?).  But I would think that they could go ahead with a memorial.  Have we heard any reasons why they haven't set up a memorial?

[KarmaRoundUp]

Puzzler... There is no reason why the Anthonys have not had a memorial service for Caylee, Caylee's remains are in Baez's hands and I don't think even when they are done with their tests, I can't imagine that the defense is still doing tests though, that Casey is going to allow her parents to have the remains.

There is NO reason for not having a memorial!!  But instead of doing the right thing, the appalling Ant's are busy letting the media know who they aren't going to invite when they finally get around to having one. It's more important to continue causing turmoil and dissention than it is to show respect for Caylee.

Hey - you know, it takes time to make an exclusive deal and negotiate how much to charge for the rights to the Memorial Service.    You know.....   its about the Money!      Just my opinion.          Makes me sick.

That is IT !!!  Cindy is planning this like a big wedding for her benefit. I have no doubt about that. It most likely has been more difficult than she imagined lining up the money part of it, and there will be NO memorial until those contracts are signed.  

Of course they could have one without the body, but that is not what they are going to do. They want to have a huge display of "themselves" injected into this and that takes planning.

I really would like to believe that the Anthony's have already had a private memorial and we just don't know about it.IF it comes out that they are waiting for immunity(can't have media rights unless they do get immunity first)so they can continue to make money off of their sweet little grand baby.......I'll hate them as much as I hate their wicked witch of a daughter.

[SunnyinTX]

I think Lee is involved somehow as well. I also just find it strange that Caylee was found so close to the road. Maybe it just looked closer than it really was in the pictures.

I didn't have anything to measure the distance from the road to where Caylee's remains were found, but I would say no more than 15-20 feet. Probably closer to 15 feet.

I have heard from various media reports any where from 15-30 feet off the road.....I THINK LP said 30 feet off the road too

[KarmaRoundUp]

Hi Karma!! 

I agree! It comes back to the car. I'm really hoping, that at this point, even though we don't have the information, it is also coming back to the crime scene where Caylee's remains were found. I'm hoping for Casey's fingerprints on duct tape......

Hi CBB
I'm hoping for the same as you plus I really want this to go to trial and be televised.I want to see the Anthony's on the stand making fools out of themselves.   

[Sassycat]

Welcome CocoaMom

After playing these Jail tapes over and over and over

And Casey defiantly saying she does not know where Caylee is ...........

Do you think she Originally Dumped Caylee at the abandant Gonzalez House and then Lee moved Caylee to the woods ...
Thats why Dom Casey was at that House ripping up Bags ...
Something is all connected between that House and where Caylee was found

Lee is involved somehow

I believe Lee is involved, and that house I sure would like to know more about that, when Dom Casey was digging around that small area next to the house, there was a concrete block that had a red mark on it, it could have been just paint, but it really jumped out at me. Does anyone know if that house has been looked at by LE, I haven't seen any mention of it, and I figured the media would have been all over that.

If you listen to Part 2
Casey says " Check the Bags at the House" when she is talking about the lost phone
then says within the same time ... May have fallen out of the Bag.

When they are talking about area codes - they lump the two together each time they say it. Lee does not say 470 and 321 ..he says 470321 and Casey says it exactly the same way ... 470321 ...

And Juliet Lewis does not exist and never has worked at Universal - she is another made up being ..by Casey

 I really believe that Casey and Lee have their own language and that they have for some time. Before all of this.

I believe you are very right about their own language.  They have been messing with their parents for a very long time.  In this family, lies, and secrets run very deep.

I agree.  With a mother like CA, they probably needed their own language at times.   She is such a control freak.   I think Deenie is on to something, too.

BTW - I love your avi - so fitting for AK.   Decorated pretty, too!

[Today]

Tim Miller disappointed in Casey and broke from Caylee search

Equusearch, the Texas-based organization that assisted in the search for Natalee Holloway in Aruba, also conducted an extensive search for Caylee Anthony prior to her remains being discovered by Roy Kronk in December.

Tim Miller, who heads the group said from the first time he met with Casey Anthony,  22, she showed no signs of remorse whatsoever.  Miller said he experienced "anger and disappointment on this."  In fact, Miller claims that during the time Casey was out on bond and Caylee was still missing, Casey acted inappropriately.  "She had smiles all over her face, ran around like she had just won a cheerleading competition.  Very discouraging from the beginning," Miller said.

Miller believes the his organization has spent over $100,000 in the search for Caylee and believes that the discovery of Caylee's remains near the Anthony home indicates Casey is responsible.  Miller feels he was taken by Casey because she knew where Caylee was all along, while he was using his limited resources to find her.

As a result, Equusearch must now stop looking for missing loved ones due to the financial strain the group is experiencing due to the extensive searches conducted to find Caylee.  "Casey has plenty of time on her hands," Miller said.  "She should call and say sorry Equusearch can't help…you right now."

Despite his financial hardships, Miller wants to try to help families in Florida, so he has opened an Orlando chapter of Equusearch.

Casey Anthony, 22, has been charged with the murder of her daughter, Caylee

http://www.examiner.com/x-1168-Crime-Examiner~y2009m1d17-Tim-Miller-disappointed-in-Casey-and-broke-from-Caylee-search

If the grandparents knew Caylee was dead and it can be proven, I hope there is a civil suit against them to recoup money for Tim and the sheriff's department. 

[SunnyinTX]

Puzzler... There is no reason why the Anthonys have not had a memorial service for Caylee, Caylee's remains are in Baez's hands and I don't think even when they are done with their tests, I can't imagine that the defense is still doing tests though, that Casey is going to allow her parents to have the remains.

Ok...y'all KNOW I am not a A supporter by any stretch of the imagination...but I can see why they haven't had a memorial service.......  IMO they think  they are going to arrange a burial/cremation and a memorial service or two.....I doubt they want to do a memorial until Caylee's remains have been released to them....HOWEVER....I have serious doubts that that will happen...I think casey will have BJ arrange everything...she hates her parents....remember THEY put her where she( is in her mind)...cin-cin called the cops and Daddy dear testified against her at the grand jury.....not sure what Lee did in her mind...but I am sure it's something.....remember her own words...she is a vindictive bitch

[crazybabyborg]

Hi Karma!! 

I agree! It comes back to the car. I'm really hoping, that at this point, even though we don't have the information, it is also coming back to the crime scene where Caylee's remains were found. I'm hoping for Casey's fingerprints on duct tape......

Hi CBB
I'm hoping for the same as you plus I really want this to go to trial and be televised.I want to see the Anthony's on the stand making fools out of themselves.   

Oh, I know exactly what you mean! I'm not sure what it is; probably the anger I feel for what happened to poor Caylee, and it is directed at those who sould have been caring for her. I just want to witness the dose of REALITY that will have to be faced in a trial. I want to watch the forced exit from "Anthony World".

I'll bring the popcorn, and you save me a seat!! 

[crazybabyborg]

Tim Miller disappointed in Casey and broke from Caylee search

Equusearch, the Texas-based organization that assisted in the search for Natalee Holloway in Aruba, also conducted an extensive search for Caylee Anthony prior to her remains being discovered by Roy Kronk in December.

Tim Miller, who heads the group said from the first time he met with Casey Anthony,  22, she showed no signs of remorse whatsoever.  Miller said he experienced "anger and disappointment on this."  In fact, Miller claims that during the time Casey was out on bond and Caylee was still missing, Casey acted inappropriately.  "She had smiles all over her face, ran around like she had just won a cheerleading competition.  Very discouraging from the beginning," Miller said.

Miller believes the his organization has spent over $100,000 in the search for Caylee and believes that the discovery of Caylee's remains near the Anthony home indicates Casey is responsible.  Miller feels he was taken by Casey because she knew where Caylee was all along, while he was using his limited resources to find her.

As a result, Equusearch must now stop looking for missing loved ones due to the financial strain the group is experiencing due to the extensive searches conducted to find Caylee.  "Casey has plenty of time on her hands," Miller said.  "She should call and say sorry Equusearch can't help…you right now."

Despite his financial hardships, Miller wants to try to help families in Florida, so he has opened an Orlando chapter of Equusearch.

Casey Anthony, 22, has been charged with the murder of her daughter, Caylee

http://www.examiner.com/x-1168-Crime-Examiner~y2009m1d17-Tim-Miller-disappointed-in-Casey-and-broke-from-Caylee-search

If the grandparents knew Caylee was dead and it can be proven, I hope there is a civil suit against them to recoup money for Tim and the sheriff's department. 

Now THAT'S a Grand idea!!!