Caylee Marie Anthony #93 1/16/09 - 1/19/09

[klaasend]

I think it would be cheaper for them to hold the trial in Orlando but to choose
the jury (16) from Jacksonville, they would have to sequester??? them. But I think they would do that anyway. It would be the same Judge I think even if
Move it.

They will request it to be moved but I'm nut sure how much that will help.  If people are honest to the jury system, it won't make any difference how much they have heard about the case prior to trial.  A jurer is supposed to base their decision soley upon what is presented at trial and with the judges instructions.

[Mary]

Oh! I mean 18 jurist.

[no rose colored glasses]

MsSam... Good Morning, because today is a holiday I don't think there will be a document dump today, but sometime this week, I hope tomorrow or Wednesday.

[Wyks]

hello all!!!im new to the post.i enjoy reading all the post here,all very good ones!!!

Hi ncbelle, welcome to the cage! 

[perriwinkle]

I think  we hear about school violence more because of the Columbine stories.  When I was in HS I had to get a restraining order against an EX BF.  He wrote a threatening note to me that he would kill me for seeing another boy.  He wasnt even expelled and the school didn't take him out of my classes or anything. He later killed himself.  I wonder now how serious his threats could have been. 

 This was before columbine.  Now, this behavior would be taken VERy seriously and dealt with in a more harsh manner. 

Wow, this is like, get to know perri day!

 

I find it very interesting all these stories. I really have lived a boring life, and it was very sheltered growing up.

I was sheltered too.  Lutheran school til HS.  I was just a good girl who tried to help a very bad boy.  Luckily I had a good family who pulled me out of it.  Thats all. 
I think I also like the underdogs in life as evidenced in my stories today.

[perriwinkle]

Off to McD's play place with the kids and then the gym.
BBL

[no rose colored glasses]

Wyks  Cindy and George knew that Casey had a lot of problems from a small child I'm sure, but I don't think, and I certainly could be wrong, that they thought she was capable of murder. I really am having a hard time with Cindy and George, one moment I have sympathy for them having to deal with a person like Casey, and the next moment I feel they could have done more in protecting Caylee, and have very little to no sympathy for them.

[Mtnmom]

sorry if its a repost

Anthony Attorney Expected To Seek Change Of Venue
Trial Could Be Moved To Jacksonville, Miami

http://www.wesh.com/news/18510496/detail.html

[Wyks]

Perriwinkle.. How awful, I too wander what happened to that kid. My husband and I were talking about kids in school the other night. He's 58 and I'm 53 and there were kids that misbehaved for sure, but nothing like the example you gave. I don't ever recall anything beyond talking to much, being the class clown, homework not being done, teasing of other kids, the more I think about it maybe the two of us were on Leave It To Beaver. I just can't imagine teachers having to deal with this from some kids.

I used to babysit a kid who'd chase me and his sisters with his father's shotgun, or a baseball bat. I was about 13. The parents kept the house well-stocked with weapons and the 7-year-old son knew where all of them were. I'm just lucky he never actually shot me or his sisters. One of the nights he smeared excrement all over the washing machine. I told the parents, but they acted like this was normal and I was a big wimp for being upset about it. They never had me babysit again. boohoo.

I can't tell if nowadays more kids beat or threaten other kids, than when we were young, or if perhaps people just take it more seriously. My nephew was sent home from school with a police escort dozens of times for threats on other kids or the teacher, or for violent behavior. But I remember kids doing horrible things to me or other kids when I was in school, and the teachers just kind of "didn't notice." Maybe it's not that there are more violent kids now, but that teachers can't ignore them like they used to? I don't know.

Am thinking that in today's age, these problems are a combination of several different things.  Many kids today seem to have way more time on their hands than in my day, either with little to no responsibility, perhaps not being held accountable for what they do in their free time, perhaps having no supervision of any kind.   There's a LOT less respect from kids today than in my day.  Things I'd never even dream of getting away with or saying is done and said today without much thought as to consequences.   Then there is more of an awareness today than back in the day, with the internet and 24/7 media, we hear about stuff that likely happened to some degree back in the day, just wasn't reported or talked about.  Living in California, for example, I rarely heard about what was going on over on the east coast.  Technology has changed things a lot. 

These are only some of the reasons that things are different today than it was when I was growing up in the 50s thru the 70s.  There are many more reasons, of course.  Gosh, I remember in grade school, the worst thing we did was to talk or chew gum in class.  Now we've got guns on campus.   

[Fuzzball]

Hi Ms Sam, welcome to the cage! 

hello all!!!im new to the post.i enjoy reading all the post here,all very good ones!!!

Welcome ncbelle54 

Greetings All Monkeys!

Has anyone had any new word about this??

Quote:
Breaking: Court documents just handed over to the defense in the Caylee murder case will be released any moment now.
http://www.cnn.com/CNN/Programs/nancy.grace/

Why, why, WHY do people keep trying to use sociopath and borderline interchangeably? They're nothing at all alike! Borderlines aren't consciousless killers, they're terrified of abandonment and have huge self-esteem issues. A Borderline in Casey's shoes wouldn't have taken Caylee and killed her, she'd have left Caylee with Cindy and killed herself, or gone on a bender.  Just because you get tired of someone's suicide attempts or pity parties doesn't mean they're evil or a killer! It really, really, bothers me.

Borderlines need re-parenting and DBT.  They feel guilt, shame, and remorse, and can learn to take responsibility. Sociopaths don't respond to that kind of treatment at all--they're just missing a piece. They don't feel embarrassment or guilt or even sorrow. The best they can do is mimic.

I can't stand it when people try to call Casey a "Borderline" personality. Cindy might be a Borderline. Lee might be. But not Casey. I understand that everyone hates their Borderline relatives and can't wait for them person to actually commit suicide instead of just making all those failed attempts or threats, all those crazy scenes that make the feared abandonment a certainty. But being a pain in the ass drama queen isn't the same thing as being a cold-blooded killer.

[Wyks]

Perriwinkle.. How awful, I too wander what happened to that kid. My husband and I were talking about kids in school the other night. He's 58 and I'm 53 and there were kids that misbehaved for sure, but nothing like the example you gave. I don't ever recall anything beyond talking to much, being the class clown, homework not being done, teasing of other kids, the more I think about it maybe the two of us were on Leave It To Beaver. I just can't imagine teachers having to deal with this from some kids.

I used to babysit a kid who'd chase me and his sisters with his father's shotgun, or a baseball bat. I was about 13. The parents kept the house well-stocked with weapons and the 7-year-old son knew where all of them were. I'm just lucky he never actually shot me or his sisters. One of the nights he smeared excrement all over the washing machine. I told the parents, but they acted like this was normal and I was a big wimp for being upset about it. They never had me babysit again. boohoo.

I can't tell if nowadays more kids beat or threaten other kids, than when we were young, or if perhaps people just take it more seriously. My nephew was sent home from school with a police escort dozens of times for threats on other kids or the teacher, or for violent behavior. But I remember kids doing horrible things to me or other kids when I was in school, and the teachers just kind of "didn't notice." Maybe it's not that there are more violent kids now, but that teachers can't ignore them like they used to? I don't know.

Wow, I just didn't know any kids like this, sure some were bullys but nothing like this. I went to Catholic school, grade and high school, I guess we were just afraid of the nuns.

JSM was afraid of nuns too!

Gosh, I was raised Baptist in my adoptive home, and even tho I'd never met a nun, just from hearing about them from friends, I was scared of them!   

[joesamas mama]

Perriwinkle.. How awful, I too wander what happened to that kid. My husband and I were talking about kids in school the other night. He's 58 and I'm 53 and there were kids that misbehaved for sure, but nothing like the example you gave. I don't ever recall anything beyond talking to much, being the class clown, homework not being done, teasing of other kids, the more I think about it maybe the two of us were on Leave It To Beaver. I just can't imagine teachers having to deal with this from some kids.

I used to babysit a kid who'd chase me and his sisters with his father's shotgun, or a baseball bat. I was about 13. The parents kept the house well-stocked with weapons and the 7-year-old son knew where all of them were. I'm just lucky he never actually shot me or his sisters. One of the nights he smeared excrement all over the washing machine. I told the parents, but they acted like this was normal and I was a big wimp for being upset about it. They never had me babysit again. boohoo.

I can't tell if nowadays more kids beat or threaten other kids, than when we were young, or if perhaps people just take it more seriously. My nephew was sent home from school with a police escort dozens of times for threats on other kids or the teacher, or for violent behavior. But I remember kids doing horrible things to me or other kids when I was in school, and the teachers just kind of "didn't notice." Maybe it's not that there are more violent kids now, but that teachers can't ignore them like they used to? I don't know.

Wow, I just didn't know any kids like this, sure some were bullys but nothing like this. I went to Catholic school, grade and high school, I guess we were just afraid of the nuns.

JSM was afraid of nuns too!

Gosh, I was raised Baptist in my adoptive home, and even tho I'd never met a nun, just from hearing about them from friends, I was scared of them!   

  It's not that bad anymore. Nuns don't run the schools anymore.

[Monken]

                                   CRIME AND VIOLENCE 

   The last decade has seen the emergence of an inescapable and terrifying reality: a dramatic surge of juvenile crime that threatens to overwhelm our social institutions. Particularly distressing is the staggering increase in drug use and crimes of violence--homicide, rape, robbery, aggravated assault--and the ever younger age at which these offenses are committed. We are constantly sickened and saddened--but no longer surprised--by reports of children under the age of ten who are capable of the sort of mindless violence that once was reserved for hardened adult criminals.
   Also stated: "The level of impairment that arose in the 1960s and 1970s in juveniles' functioning should cause concern about the ability of a proportion of that generation to bring up the next generation. Impaired child-rearing practices is one of the factors that influence how antisocial a next generation will be." IN OTHERS WORDS--HANG ON TO YOUR HATS---WE AIN'T SEEN NOTHING YET!!! 

A DISTURBING LIST OF RECENT HEADLINES:

*Teenage boy in Colorado waits patiently while two young friends hack and hammer his mother to death.
*Florida police try to determine if 5-year-old knew the consequences when he threw 3-year-old off fifth-floor balcony.
*Kansas City police are baffled by jealous 12-year-old who kills younger sister, mother over birthday party plans.
*Eleven-year-old from affluent St. Louis neighboorhood orders 10-year-old out of her yard; when he doesn't leave she shoots him with parents' gun. Playmate dies after surgery.
*Girl, 4, kills twin baby brothers by throwing them to the floor after one of the 3-week-old infants accidently scratches her during play.

   THESE HORRIFIC EVENTS WERE NOT ORDINARY ACCIDENTS OR SIMPLE EXAGGERATIONS OF NORMAL CHILDHOOD BEHAVIORS THAT WILL CORRECT THEMSELVES WITH TIME. Events of this sort begin to make sense when we accept the fact that THE PERSONALITY TRAITS OF PSYCHOPATHS ARE PRESENT EARLY IN LIFE. 

[no rose colored glasses]

                                   CRIME AND VIOLENCE 

   The last decade has seen the emergence of an inescapable and terrifying reality: a dramatic surge of juvenile crime that threatens to overwhelm our social institutions. Particularly distressing is the staggering increase in drug use and crimes of violence--homicide, rape, robbery, aggravated assault--and the ever younger age at which these offenses are committed. We are constantly sickened and saddened--but no longer surprised--by reports of children under the age of ten who are capable of the sort of mindless violence that once was reserved for hardened adult criminals.
   Also stated: "The level of impairment that arose in the 1960s and 1970s in juveniles' functioning should cause concern about the ability of a proportion of that generation to bring up the next generation. Impaired child-rearing practices is one of the factors that influence how antisocial a next generation will be." IN OTHERS WORDS--HANG ON TO YOUR HATS---WE AIN'T SEEN NOTHING YET!!! 

A DISTURBING LIST OF RECENT HEADLINES:

*Teenage boy in Colorado waits patiently while two young friends hack and hammer his mother to death.
*Florida police try to determine if 5-year-old knew the consequences when he threw 3-year-old off fifth-floor balcony.
*Kansas City police are baffled by jealous 12-year-old who kills younger sister, mother over birthday party plans.
*Eleven-year-old from affluent St. Louis neighboorhood orders 10-year-old out of her yard; when he doesn't leave she shoots him with parents' gun. Playmate dies after surgery.
*Girl, 4, kills twin baby brothers by throwing them to the floor after one of the 3-week-old infants accidently scratches her during play.

   THESE HORRIFIC EVENTS WERE NOT ORDINARY ACCIDENTS OR SIMPLE EXAGGERATIONS OF NORMAL CHILDHOOD BEHAVIORS THAT WILL CORRECT THEMSELVES WITH TIME. Events of this sort begin to make sense when we accept the fact that THE PERSONALITY TRAITS OF PSYCHOPATHS ARE PRESENT EARLY IN LIFE. 

That is extremely frightening, and the cases that are listed, what happened or happens to these young people who have commited these crimes?

[Garden Gnome]

Hi Ms Sam, welcome to the cage! 

hello all!!!im new to the post.i enjoy reading all the post here,all very good ones!!!

Welcome ncbelle54 

Greetings All Monkeys!

Has anyone had any new word about this??

Quote:
Breaking: Court documents just handed over to the defense in the Caylee murder case will be released any moment now.
http://www.cnn.com/CNN/Programs/nancy.grace/

Why, why, WHY do people keep trying to use sociopath and borderline interchangeably? They're nothing at all alike! Borderlines aren't consciousless killers, they're terrified of abandonment and have huge self-esteem issues. A Borderline in Casey's shoes wouldn't have taken Caylee and killed her, she'd have left Caylee with Cindy and killed herself, or gone on a bender.  Just because you get tired of someone's suicide attempts or pity parties doesn't mean they're evil or a killer! It really, really, bothers me.

Borderlines need re-parenting and DBT.  They feel guilt, shame, and remorse, and can learn to take responsibility. Sociopaths don't respond to that kind of treatment at all--they're just missing a piece. They don't feel embarrassment or guilt or even sorrow. The best they can do is mimic.

I can't stand it when people try to call Casey a "Borderline" personality. Cindy might be a Borderline. Lee might be. But not Casey. I understand that everyone hates their Borderline relatives and can't wait for them person to actually commit suicide instead of just making all those failed attempts or threats, all those crazy scenes that make the feared abandonment a certainty. But being a pain in the ass drama queen isn't the same thing as being a cold-blooded killer.

Fuzzball, do you know the statistics for suicide?  39,000 per year in the USA alone. 

I would like you to repeat this to someone who has loved someone and lost them to suicide.  This is one of the most irresponsible things I have ever heard anyone say on this website.  You might want to keep in mind that you don't know the stories of other posters and what they might be feeling.

Were you a fly on the wall of the Anthony home?  How can you possibly spout this chit like it is a FACT and not way over used imagination.

Go ahead and throw all your bananas at me.  That post was mean and uninformed.  Sorry you seem to have had a really rotten family but some of us loved ours and would have laid down their own life to save someone we lost.

[Leroy]

Hi Ms Sam, welcome to the cage! 

hello all!!!im new to the post.i enjoy reading all the post here,all very good ones!!!

Welcome ncbelle54 

Greetings All Monkeys!

Has anyone had any new word about this??

Quote:
Breaking: Court documents just handed over to the defense in the Caylee murder case will be released any moment now.
http://www.cnn.com/CNN/Programs/nancy.grace/

Why, why, WHY do people keep trying to use sociopath and borderline interchangeably? They're nothing at all alike! Borderlines aren't consciousless killers, they're terrified of abandonment and have huge self-esteem issues. A Borderline in Casey's shoes wouldn't have taken Caylee and killed her, she'd have left Caylee with Cindy and killed herself, or gone on a bender.  Just because you get tired of someone's suicide attempts or pity parties doesn't mean they're evil or a killer! It really, really, bothers me.

Borderlines need re-parenting and DBT.  They feel guilt, shame, and remorse, and can learn to take responsibility. Sociopaths don't respond to that kind of treatment at all--they're just missing a piece. They don't feel embarrassment or guilt or even sorrow. The best they can do is mimic.

I can't stand it when people try to call Casey a "Borderline" personality. Cindy might be a Borderline. Lee might be. But not Casey. I understand that everyone hates their Borderline relatives and can't wait for them person to actually commit suicide instead of just making all those failed attempts or threats, all those crazy scenes that make the feared abandonment a certainty. But being a pain in the ass drama queen isn't the same thing as being a cold-blooded killer.

   Please tell me I read this wrong     

[Monken]

                                   CRIME AND VIOLENCE 

   The last decade has seen the emergence of an inescapable and terrifying reality: a dramatic surge of juvenile crime that threatens to overwhelm our social institutions. Particularly distressing is the staggering increase in drug use and crimes of violence--homicide, rape, robbery, aggravated assault--and the ever younger age at which these offenses are committed. We are constantly sickened and saddened--but no longer surprised--by reports of children under the age of ten who are capable of the sort of mindless violence that once was reserved for hardened adult criminals.
   Also stated: "The level of impairment that arose in the 1960s and 1970s in juveniles' functioning should cause concern about the ability of a proportion of that generation to bring up the next generation. Impaired child-rearing practices is one of the factors that influence how antisocial a next generation will be." IN OTHERS WORDS--HANG ON TO YOUR HATS---WE AIN'T SEEN NOTHING YET!!! 

A DISTURBING LIST OF RECENT HEADLINES:

*Teenage boy in Colorado waits patiently while two young friends hack and hammer his mother to death.
*Florida police try to determine if 5-year-old knew the consequences when he threw 3-year-old off fifth-floor balcony.
*Kansas City police are baffled by jealous 12-year-old who kills younger sister, mother over birthday party plans.
*Eleven-year-old from affluent St. Louis neighboorhood orders 10-year-old out of her yard; when he doesn't leave she shoots him with parents' gun. Playmate dies after surgery.
*Girl, 4, kills twin baby brothers by throwing them to the floor after one of the 3-week-old infants accidently scratches her during play.

   THESE HORRIFIC EVENTS WERE NOT ORDINARY ACCIDENTS OR SIMPLE EXAGGERATIONS OF NORMAL CHILDHOOD BEHAVIORS THAT WILL CORRECT THEMSELVES WITH TIME. Events of this sort begin to make sense when we accept the fact that THE PERSONALITY TRAITS OF PSYCHOPATHS ARE PRESENT EARLY IN LIFE. 

That is extremely frightening, and the cases that are listed, what happened or happens to these young people who have commited these crimes?

I have no idea, Norose, but I hope they are being wacthed 24/7! 

[Fuzzball]

I may have missed it, but there were several references to a "split" between George and Casey in the latest released jail video. Does anyone have a clue what that was about?

I just assumed that it was when he left when Caylee was born and then he came home and they had had a strained relationship until recently. 

There are also some rumors circulating that George really was negotiating a divorce with Cindy right before Caylee was killed, but apart from Casey's lie to Amy about them divorcing and giving her the house, I can't find the source. I think maybe they were discussing divorce again.

[Leroy]

Why, why, WHY do people keep trying to use sociopath and borderline interchangeably? They're nothing at all alike! Borderlines aren't consciousless killers, they're terrified of abandonment and have huge self-esteem issues. A Borderline in Casey's shoes wouldn't have taken Caylee and killed her, she'd have left Caylee with Cindy and killed herself, or gone on a bender.  Just because you get tired of someone's suicide attempts or pity parties doesn't mean they're evil or a killer! It really, really, bothers me.

Borderlines need re-parenting and DBT.  They feel guilt, shame, and remorse, and can learn to take responsibility. Sociopaths don't respond to that kind of treatment at all--they're just missing a piece. They don't feel embarrassment or guilt or even sorrow. The best they can do is mimic.

I can't stand it when people try to call Casey a "Borderline" personality. Cindy might be a Borderline. Lee might be. But not Casey. I understand that everyone hates their Borderline relatives and can't wait for them person to actually commit suicide instead of just making all those failed attempts or threats, all those crazy scenes that make the feared abandonment a certainty. But being a pain in the ass drama queen isn't the same thing as being a cold-blooded killer.

Fuzzball, do you know the statistics for suicide?  39,000 per year in the USA alone. 

I would like you to repeat this to someone who has loved someone and lost them to suicide.  This is one of the most irresponsible things I have ever heard anyone say on this website.  You might want to keep in mind that you don't know the stories of other posters and what they might be feeling.

Were you a fly on the wall of the Anthony home?  How can you possibly spout this chit like it is a FACT and not way over used imagination.

Go ahead and throw all your bananas at me.  That post was mean and uninformed.  Sorry you seem to have had a really rotten family but some of us loved ours and would have laid down their own life to save someone we lost.

Thank you Garden Gnome.  Well stated IMO.

[Garden Gnome]

Hi Ms Sam, welcome to the cage! 

hello all!!!im new to the post.i enjoy reading all the post here,all very good ones!!!

Welcome ncbelle54 

Greetings All Monkeys!

Has anyone had any new word about this??

Quote:
Breaking: Court documents just handed over to the defense in the Caylee murder case will be released any moment now.
http://www.cnn.com/CNN/Programs/nancy.grace/

Why, why, WHY do people keep trying to use sociopath and borderline interchangeably? They're nothing at all alike! Borderlines aren't consciousless killers, they're terrified of abandonment and have huge self-esteem issues. A Borderline in Casey's shoes wouldn't have taken Caylee and killed her, she'd have left Caylee with Cindy and killed herself, or gone on a bender.  Just because you get tired of someone's suicide attempts or pity parties doesn't mean they're evil or a killer! It really, really, bothers me.

Borderlines need re-parenting and DBT.  They feel guilt, shame, and remorse, and can learn to take responsibility. Sociopaths don't respond to that kind of treatment at all--they're just missing a piece. They don't feel embarrassment or guilt or even sorrow. The best they can do is mimic.

I can't stand it when people try to call Casey a "Borderline" personality. Cindy might be a Borderline. Lee might be. But not Casey. I understand that everyone hates their Borderline relatives and can't wait for them person to actually commit suicide instead of just making all those failed attempts or threats, all those crazy scenes that make the feared abandonment a certainty. But being a pain in the ass drama queen isn't the same thing as being a cold-blooded killer.

   Please tell me I read this wrong     

You didn't read that wrong.  I didn't read it wrong either.